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>> welcome back to "open house." now on the goods we team up with mary james own ore of grand avenue ling in downtown chicago. she shows how pieces of different styles and eras can halfway co-exist in your home. -- happily co-exist your home. >> hi. i'm mary garvey james and i'm here on grand avenue in chicago's west town in my new pop-up store. i'm here to talk to you about a design style i like to refer to as classic remix. every decade has introduced fabulous design. clasc remix to me is about finding these wonderful items from different countries and different eras and recreating them and drawing them together to create your own style. the key to making classic remix

work in your home is to not be afraid to find a piece you love and spray paint it or find a peets of furture that you love and add an unexpected fabric. it's all about mixing modern with classic pieces and i think this is the perfect example. we have the italian chrome light, which looks fabulous with a traditional french sofia. we have lawn chairs combined with an iustrial table. all these brought together and kept in the same pallet, allows you to creat a cozy setting in your home. every room needs a large item to anchor it. in this vignette, the large birds were blown up from eight-by-10 print. every room needs a wild piece but not every piece can be wild.

just like you can't we're all your favoritfashion items on the same day, you can't put your favorites all in the same room. we have an italian influence metal and limestone table capped but an asian lamp. it serves -- the mirror serves as a backdrop to pull it together and offsets the modern art near it. one of the rules of classic remix is your home should reflect your lifestyle and your loves. the easiest way to achieve that is through pictus. a lot of times y have pictures from different eras. the best way to pull them together is to use similar frames. i took all the pictures that were colored and used similar frames in. this case it's mirrored and crystal and silver. you can create a really nice mix of pictures from different eras. the key to making classic remix

work in your home is keeping your backgrounds neutral. if you keep things neutral and you want to add a punch, you can always get new pillows and add a punch of red or whatever color you want in the future. classic remix is about combining e best design from every era to create a timeless look. keep it neutral. add a wild piece. add a large piece to anchor the room. add things youove and most importantly, don't be afraid to mix styles. >> that's all for this episode of "open house." join us next week for me of america's top properties and design and if you missed something on today's show or more -- want to see more, head to lx tv/open house. m sara gore and i'll seeou

>> this week on "hispanics today".. in a city where hawks and doves rule the nest, he's shown that even a swan has its place. meet the cuban-ameran who's raising the bar for ballet inside the beltway. she went from being a homemaker to a home builder. carmen dominguez--proof that following your passion is not only possible, but profitable. and some days, it's hot enough to fry an egg on the sidewalk, but what about cooking a steak in the air? only in arizona will you find this recipe! >> hello from our studios in washington, d.c. i'm erica ortiz. bienvenidos and welcome

to "hispanics today!" when you think of a night at the ballet, it can be pretty intimidating. chances are, you picture rich people in fur coats and tuxes, afraid to cough or sneeze, lest they be shushed during the performance. well, ballet has changed. it has become more suited to different audiences and different tastes, thanks in part to a cuban-american dance genius named septime webre. he's adding a new look to ballet in one of washington, d.c.'s, most overlooked neighborhoods. >> in his eighth season as the artistic director of the washington ballet, septime webre has made a real presence in washington, d.c.'s, creative and social communities. webre has become a very charismatic leader and visionary for the one of the nion's top mid-size ballet companies. he has been credited with successfully helping to transform the nation's capital, widely known as the mecca of world politicsinto an up-and-coming, hip, and urban artistic community. quite an accomplishment for the seventh son and the seventh of 9

children, thus the name septime. >> it feels a little, like, awkward. like, it feels like it doesn't quite flow. my parents where good, sort of recently arrived cuban-american immigrants and expected me to become a lawyer or a doctor or a architect, and in fact, i had told them that i was going to be an attorney, and at a certain moment, i decided that i would pursue this ballet career. and i think my parents-- while they kw of my theatrical interests--had just imagined me as this high-powered lawyer, and it was probably 10 or 15 years into my dance career before they realized, "you know, i guess he's doinit for good." >> we used to think that peopl to the ballet are either older, rich, retired people, and ptime have made the difference of bringing younger people that are just starting to be in charge of the decisions that we are making in

the world right here in washington, c., to be interested in the arts, and he has brought that entertainment factor for those people to be interested in taking them out of the where we think ballet is. and when ty come and see what we are up to, they are like, "wow! i never thought this was ballet." >> the city seems very receptive toew ideas, expanding the repertoire, expanding the connections with the audience, and really challenging the audiences and mixing it up a little bit. so, yeah, i think at washington's been really receptive. >> many of septime's colleagues applaud his efforts and success in connecting thcompany to urban washington through commity outreach and also in creating diverse and theatrical ogramming, making ballet more accessible to washington, d.c., area youth. he started dance d.c., a program that offers free ballet classes to about 500 inner-city d.c. public school students, and several years ago, the ballet began offering classes at thearc, a multi-million dollar

arts-and-education center in d.c.'s predominantly african-american anacostia neighborhood. >> i credit septime totally with crossg the river, with brging the washington ballet to this city at large not just to the more privileged of the city but to really making dance accessible for every little human soul that wants to dance. >> one of the big goals i had in coming to washington, d.c., was to connect the washington ballet to the cultural fabric of the city, and for us, that's meant crossing the anacostia river and developing a significant mmunity engagement program in southeast washington, d.c. it's been incredibly gratifying to see kids from thdistrict--all kinds of kids from the district, kids who would not know a thing about ballet, jumping in and enjoying and learning about themselves through this glorious art form. >> i think septime is the hope for the washington ballet. i think that he brings the hope

of new promise for this city, not just to watch as a performing arts but to watch as an educational institution, to bring children into this world and into this world of understanding the humanity that pulses behind every work. >> webre's company represents his own eclectic background of both french and cuban descent with a core of talented and versatile dancers from cuba, puerto rico, dominican republic, colombia, and beyo. his washingt ballet productions often highlight his close-knit family upbringing and the varied contributions hispanics have made to america's culturally diverse arts landscape. >> dancing in "noche latina" was a great experience for me, especially because the music that was being used was cuban music in some of the pieces. being in a company where my director, um, has part of my heritage and is interested in my culture and is so interested in bringing that to

his choreography is something that is appealing to me. >> in hispanic cultures, we'll always have that extra factor of ergy and show quality, and any performances that goes on, there's always that kind of factor, and he has brought it to the next level. >> i always think art is at its best when people can recognize themselves onstage, and i think that ballet should reflect the people that are inhe audience, so that means that the ballet has got to reflect what today's culture is about. and it's certainly about energy and athleticism and invention and all of those really great qualities that have made our society so great. >> septime webre continueso make wonderful things happen and is a big part of the new image for washington, d.c.. a city that is full of leaders, webre with his maverick flair and n-do attitude has quickly become one of d.c.'s leading stakeholders and community activists.

>> anyone would be lucky to have septime for a partner because it's like a holiday every day. you know, he comes in, and he says, "oh, guess who i talked to, guess what's gonna happen, possibilities of tours to these countries." you know, there's always something exciting happening, and really my job is to keep up with him. he's also someone who makes things happen. he's not just someone who thinks of things or talks about them. he executes them, and when he's faced with a problem, he thinks immediately of a way to solve it. >> i'm immensely proud of the growth of the washington ballet, but the growth is a reflection of lots of things, including artistic growth on the pa of the company itself and our school and our outreach programs, but also, really it takes a village, and so there are hundreds and hundreds supporters of the ballet, fundraisers, people who donate, patron supporters, and we're

all linked together in the success of the ballet, and those connections just propel us forward, i think. >> 8 years ago, septime and e washington ballet performed in havana, making them the first american ballet company to perform in cuba in more than 40 years. for septime and his family, the trip was all the more historic because it gave them an opportunity to rediscover their cultural homeland. coming up on "hispanics today her first job was homemaker, but the homes she makes these days are something to behold! we'll be right back.

>> when she was just starting out in her adult life, everyone thought carmen dominguez had it made--doctor's wife, stay-at-home mom, but with her

children grown, carmen realized she was missing something. she wanted a second career, and she found it--from homemaker to house-ilder! >> while other professionals carmen dominguez's age may be approaching the twilight years of their careers, hers is just starting to blossom. carn spent the early years of her adult life devoted entirely to making a home and raising a family. only after her two daughters were grown and carmen had become an empty nester in her early forties did she turn her energies and considerable passion toward a career to create h succeful business, homes by carmen dominguez.ne of the reasons for the company's success is carmen's ability to create a story for each of the cuom homes that bear her name, famous for their timeless elegance. >> i needed to put all of that energy somewhere, and i decided just to do what i felt i knew how to do best, you know, and what i knew how to do best was to create what i consider is a

perfect house because i lived in one, i raised children in one, you know, so it was one thing that always amazed me how not many more women were involved in the construction business as--guess what--you know, we are the ones that pretty mh select the kind of house we want. >> what makes her homes so successful is that from the core, from the beginning of building the home she was always lking to what she would have wanted in a house or what being at home, raising her two kids at home, like, what would she have needed in her home. >> carmen garcia grew up in the seaside town of arecibo, puerto rico, the granddaughter of a well-to-do doctor and senator. he toted her around to political meetings, public appearances, and private negotiations. carmen got her first taste of the entrepreneurial world at age 14 when she worked as a cashier foher father in his sugar cane business. she learned early the art of the deal. >> and i always say that i

learned a lot of strategby just listening to my grandfather when i was a young girl and going with him to meetings and political meetings, and that was an amazing, amazing, amazing way of learning. >> since opening her doors for business in 1999, carmen has become a builder and a business leader of many firsts. in 2005, she was honored by theispanic chamber of commerce of metro orlando with the prestigious don quijote award. in november 2006, she took the helm of the home builders association of metro orlando, becoming both the first woman and the fit hispanic president to lead the group. that same year, she was selected by the national americ home builders association to build the new american home in an historic orlando neighborhood. this ultra-urban dwelling has given its visitors a glimpse into the future of green home-building. >> when i first joined the business, i definitely was passionate about the idea of building green houses, not only because i thought it was the

right thing to do but because i felt like that was a way she could separate herself in the marketplace. she understood it right away and also, i think, simultaneously got on board with this idea that we all need to work together to help protect the environment and that building green is our responsibility a just knowing that wer is a resource and that protecting all of our resources was really important. >> i will tell you that the first time she had that conversation with me i thoht that she had been in california way too long. you know, she moved from california. i was like, "what is she talking about?" however, what i did is i simply just sat down, i listened, i realized that her points were absolutely very important. >> just recently, "el nuevo constructor," the first and only spanish-lguage construction trade magazine, named carmen builder of the year. through the years, carmen has credited her success and accomplishments to her uncanny

ability of aroaching her life in two different ways. >> my two brains is probably what i consider my best asset, and it is my best asset because i utilize my hispanic ain, you know, and i combine it with what i've learnedrom the american cultures. so it is a way that i have to describe the blending of the two cultures and utilizing the best of each. >> carmen dominguez is a unique individual and has inspired many folks here in our community. our chamber of commerce, which has now 1,300 members, many of them has been inspired by her story, by her leadership example. it's one of those individuals that has a high entrepreneurship spirit and very much has put it to good use in our community. >> building big is carmen's plan for the future. recently, homes by carmen joined forces with the rey group; an orlando based construction company, to

create aew venture, carmen dominguez with rey homes >> we had talked about it in the past. it's an opportunity for us to learn what she has learned and what she has established building high-end, qualy custom homes, and i's an opportunity for her firm to learn what we have learned in our world of production and efficiency of home-building and bring the two together. >> what impresses me the mt is that carmen has been tremendously successful in what ahs been typically considered a male-dominant industry, and she has done that with grace and lots of preparation and leadership. >> but somehow, there was somebody else that set the stage in order for me to be able to be thfirst because what it does, it says to me, "you know, you have got to do this in a way so that other people have the opportunity to continue because somebody else did the work for you before in a different way." so i feel not only responsible,

but i feel very humble by the opportunity. >> in a world of cookie tter suburban houses, carmen is proud the homes she designs reflect her clients' individuality. you can check out some of her work on her web site... and now this week's "sabes que?" question: according to the most recent u.s. census report, homeownership rates among hispanics have soared in the last decade... we'll have that answer coming up, and also ahead, for all you backyard gourmets who think your barbeque technique is special, take a look at this highlying way to flavor a steak. we'll dig deep into the culinary secrets of cae seca.

>> welcome back to "hispanics today." here's the answer to our "sabes que?" question... sabes que? according to the most recent u.s. census in 2000... in this country, we call it beef jerky, but connoieurs of carne seca know there's much more to it than that. it's not enough to simply dry a piece of meat to shoe leather nsistency and hang it in plastic bags at the coenience store. the real secret of carne seca comes in the seasoning and preparation, and nobody doest with more style than the

pioneers of this favorite dish in tucson, arizona. >> carne seca is the main dish of el charro. it is a taste explosion that happens in your mouth. >> many foods served here are heated to rfection using ovens, but el charro's signature dish is truly something to write home about since it features the ancient cooking ingredient othe dry arizona heat. >> first of all, we will take the filet, and we have thinly sliced it, which is left with a little bit of fat. marinate it in garlic and, of course, this alreadhas a mixture of lime juice in it. this meat is then hung outside in a wi enclosed cage this way, and so it comes out after two days looking like a dried fat. it was a way of preservation. it really is beef jerky. >> it is really air-dried. it has really little to do with the sun, but the meat isut in

an aluminum triangle cage with stainless rods that are sanitized before they hang the meat on it. the juice is the crucial thing because that keeps the meat from spoiling. the garlic keeps all the spirits away. no bugs of any kind. you don't ever see flies around the cages. i would imagine 100 years ago everybody did it that way because you didn't have refrigerators. >> today, el charro takes pride in its detailed process and claims it is the only u.s. restaunt making carne seca this way. >> and this is a way of actually conserving and preserving this product. we just took it to a different level and without a doubt have been able to--i would almost say--exploit it! >> that meat can be transported across the country in your pocket for days, and it won't spoil. >> out of the cage, the real cooking work begins. el charro almost burns the beef in extremely hot ovens to drain the remaining fat. from there, it is shredded, then kneaded by hand. in the browning press,

virgin olive oil is sprayed in a very hot skillet, removing the moisture and magically transforming 3 pounds of beef into 9 pounds of carne seca. >> the trick is that she must stand there for the full 15-20 minutes stirring the meat, or it will burn, and one little bit of burnt meat will impart that burnt flavor through this very fine meat, even though it is already cooked. we go ahead, and we add green chili, the tomato, and the onion, and we don't add them all together. we add them in stages with the tomato being the last one because you do not want it to get soggy on you. after we have added this, it doesn't take but a flash to go ahead and let all of the flavors impart. you always think of mexican food as being taco, a tamale, an enclada, but you never really think that something brown like that could taste so very, very good, and that is carne seca.

>> in addition to the world-famous carne seca, el charro cafe was recently named by "usa today" the "home of the chimichanga." when we come back, we'll show you more of the exciting things we have in store for you here on "hispanics today."

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this sunday a showdown over nuclear weapons between the president and republican opponents. >> there's no other reason not to do it th the fact that, you know, washington has become a very partisan place, and this is a classic areahere we have to rise above bipartisanship. >> is the new start treaty a matter of immediate national security, or will it get held up in post election politics? plus, the opposite of the nato summit in portugal this weekend presses allies for support of the u. end game in ghanistan. even as new questions arise back home about how and whether to try terror suspects in u.s. courts. our guests this morning from the summit, secretary of state hillary clinton. tn a leading voice from the republican party unleashes a blistering attack of the president's leadership during

the gulf oil spill. how does the gop lead as it se the presidency in 2012 in my guest, author of the new book, "lip in crisis," republican governor from louisia, bobby jindal. finally, our political round table on the fights ahead in congress over taxes and spending. an early look at battleground 2012. sarah palin'sew book sets the stage for a presidential run. with us, robert draper with a piece about palin's inner circle appea as the cover story of "the new york times" magazine. editor of the "wall street journal," paul gigot, richard wolffe, with a book about president obama, and incoming tea party-backed republican congressman from florida, allen west.

good morning, breaking news. in "the new york times" this morning, the nancy built a large nuclr facility to scene rich uranium. american scientists visited saying they were stunned by the sohistication of the plant. this further complicates the president's nuclear disarmament agenda from north korea to russia to iran, which was front and center at the nato summit in portugal. the president us the world stage to press his republican opponents in congress to ratify a new nuclear arms deal with russia. secretary oftate hillary clinton was with the president at the summit. and ipoke with her before she departed lisbon. secretary clinton, welcome back to the program. >> thank you very much, david. >> i want to ta about this showdown between the president and senate republicans over the s.t.a.r.t. treaty, saying to politicalers, nobody's going to score political points in 2012. is that the president's belief about what's standing in the way? and in your view, is this a

litmus test of whether there can be bipartisanship in washington afr the ection? >> well, i think the president believ strongly, and i agree with him, that this treaty is in the nuclear interest of the united states. and it's not only americans who believe that i'm very impressed by the number of leaders at the nato lisbon summit who voluntarily told their own press or amerian press ty were chasing down reporters to say this is so much in the interests of europe and others. so the president sees this very clearly. but i don't think he conside this a political issue. it's a question of whether we have the time and whether we can make the case in theimited time that the lame duck provides to satisfy the concerns of 2/3 of the senate. i think we can. i think that everyone has erated in good faith. we have looked hard at this when it came out of the senate foreign relations committee. it came out with an overwhelming bipartisan vote, 14-4. i think that the questions are

being -- that are being asked by republicans deserve thoughtful answers, and everyone in the administration stands ready from bob gates to jim clapper, the head of the -- director of national intelligence. because we all see it in the same way, and we're in the tradition of both republican and democratic presidents going back to ronald reagan, who famously said "trust but verify." we have no verification without a treaty about what's going on inrussia's nuclear program. so i think whether you're already convinced or can be convinced, i think we want to get our inspectors back on the ground, and the only way to do that is by ratifying this treaty. >> is there an issue, though, of american prestige? the president was dealt a setback on fair trade whene was in seoul. when it comes to trade or economic policy, there's a feeling america can't always get what it wants. is thisoing to be a problem with the president not getting what heants on the world stage because of republicans?

>> well, first of all, i think that the president didn't agree to a trade deal in seoul because he didn't feel like it was enough in america's interest. that's what a president is supposed to do. obviously he's still working to get one finaliz that is. and in respect to s.t.a.r.t. which concerns not just trade but life or death because we're lking about thousands of nuclr war heads that are still pointed at the united states, the president believes it does go beyond politics. you can argue about a trade deal, but what the tradition has been in the senate going back to the 190s with president reagan is that once people have had a chance to carefully consider these arms control treaties, they have been passed overwhelmingly. we've seen it with the reagan and the bush administrations, the clinton administration. now, of course, we are in the obama administration. and ithis one area, this goes beyond politics. this should be nonpartisan, not just bipartisan.

>> secretary clinton, let me get to other areas including the war in afghanistan. listening to the president, listening and following the events that have happened at the nato summit, i wonder whether the washington clock for the war ha changed and that amerins should expect that by next july there's a token number of u.s. forces that are with drawn and really the war doesn't end for america unt 2014. >> no, david. ihink that we've been very clear about this. that the transition to afghan security leads begins next year, in 2011. it is conditioned space, so where it can happen, what pace it can happen, how many troops can be substituted for, that is what general petraeus and the military leader are going to be working on to recommend tohe president and the leaders of other countries. >> let me get on a key point, then. is it possible then even in 2014 when you envision and hope that a transition is complete, might the united states have a long-term presee there, say, in the form of permanent air

bases to maintain a presence in the country? >> well, we're intent upon reaching a goal of transitning to afghan security in 2014. but both the united states and nato partners haveaid that of course we'd beilling to continue to help train and equip the afghan military. what we do with countries around the world. there could be other missions in other countries taking on in terms of civilian aid and supporting th government. so the security lead, theight if you will does transition to the afghans. support for that fight will continueto be provided by the united states but others -- >> permanent basis? >> there's been no decision whatsoever about any of that. >> but is that possible? that something that the u.s. is considing? >> there's no consideration, it's just not on the table at this point. >> let me ask you about -- as secretary of state u don't have to deal with airport security. but many americans do, especially coming up this thanksgiving week. >> right. >> there's obviously a security

threat, a terror threat, whh is why you have advanced technology and have you ha-- an you have the invasive pat-downs across e country. is this excessive or is it a reonse to the threat environment that the americans face? >> well, the people responsible for our security such as secretary napolitano oubls believe that this is necsary, and i'm not going to comment or certainly second-guess their considered opinions. at the same time, i believe everne including our security experts are looking for ways to diminish the impact on the traveling public. i an, obviously the vast, vast majority of people getting on these planes are law-abiding citizens who are just trying to get from one place to another. but let's not kid ourselves. the terrorists are adaptable. they start doing whatever they can to try and cause harm. and when you have people who are willing to die in order to kill americans and others, you've got folks putting explosives in

their underwear. who would have thought tt? so striking the right balance is wht this is about. and i am absolutely confident that our security experts are going to keep trying to get it better and less intrusive and more precise. but at the same time, we want people to travel safely. >> to follow up on terrorism, the ahmed ghailani case that was concluded is week with a conviction has raised new questions about whether it's wise to put these terror suspects in civilian court. secretary of tate, w is it important to the rest of the world that these hardened terror suspects go in u.s. civilian courts tobe tried? >> well, i think it's important first and foremost to americans, which is my highest priority. what is best for the united states and for our n citizens. the civilian courts, known as article 3 courts, under the constitution have a good track record of convicting terrorists. and in fact if you look at the comparison between trorists who are now serving time in our maximum security prisons compared to what military

commisons have been able to do, there's no comparison. get convictions. we send people away in our civilian courts at a much more gularized and predictable way than yet we've been able to figure out how in the military commission. secondly, i think there's a misconception in our own couny about what's admissible in terms of edence in a civilian court versus a military commission. they don't have the same rules, but the rules are close enough in trms of what can or can't be admitte into evidence. so there's a very strong argument that what the judge in the ghailani case said coul not be admitted, would not have been admissible either at the commission. >> that's a narrow issue. but the real issue is if there's a lot of uncertainty in the criminal justice system, as you well know as a lawyer. but my question is, are we committed with these terror suspects that if they are acquitted in terror court they should be released? >> wl, no. don't forget -- >> then why hold up the american

systema the right route if you're not gog to release them? that's what the american sstems you hve to do. >> david, our system is the best system in the world. we all know that. it is go enough and strong enough to either convict and sentence the guilty or even execute where appropriate skbrp you can't convince an amecan jury which is certainly sessed with terrorism. might be there's a question about the strength of the case. and i think what we are trying to do is get the best result consistent with our laws and constitution. and under our laws, military commissions are legal for certain cases. but it should be the primary decision to use our civilian courts whenever and wherever possible. so i think this this has become a kind of strange argument. on the one hand, people say we want to convicthese people. the civilian courts have a better record actually convicting and imprisoning than we do yet in the military commission.

but we also don't want to have security problems or publicity problem for particularly dangerous leading terrorists. so we should look at the military commission. so i ink that this is a difficult issue, but i really hope that everyone can look at carefully and consider all of the facts concerning th. >> all right. secretary clinton, before i let you go, i have to ask you this -- this as a political observer, what do you make of what happened on election day? all this talk about sarah palin -- when i interviewed you a while back, you said you'd be willing to sit down and have coffee with her. she may be someone in a position to try to equal what you accomplished in theolitical arena. what advice might you give her, and what do you make of what's happened political? >> you know, david, the best thing about being secretary of state is representing the united states around the world. the second best thing is i'm out of politics. so with all due respect, i am not going to comment onhe potical scene right now other than to say that i'm focused on making the case 67-plus

senators in the senate to pass the s.t.a.r.t. treaty because that's to me the most important task facing the senate and it goes way beyond politics. >> and here i thought i'd lulled you into a moment of candor. secretary clinton, thank you very much as always. >> thank you. we turn to t author of "the leadership in crisis," republican governor of louisiana, bobby jindal. governor, welcome back to the program. whether we talk about potics -- when talk about politics, you have to answer all the questions. i'm putting you on notice. >> thank you for having me great. great to be -- having me back. reat to be back. >> we'll talk about the gulf oil spill in a mont. but let me pick up on an area that i asked secretary clinton about. the tsa and airport screeners, and some of these searches that are really disturbing people around the country. is this excessive? >> absolutely. now look, let's start off, we can not be lackadaisical about protecng our country about terrorists, make no mistake about that. i have two primary concerns with how they're doing this.

first, george will, others have made this point -- >> conservatives. >> they've made the point they're not common sense, not using intelligence. there's no reason to be doing body searches of 6-year-old, 12-year-old girls traveling to louisiana visit grantparents. we're not lking about profiling but to not stop them but use it to apply our defenses to those most likely to cause us hrm. here's the second concern, it feels like from this administration that we're playing a defensive game in the war on terrorism. yes, we need to harden our infrastructure, but if you have a committed terrorist willing to give up their lives, you look at the past patterns. we got lucky with the bomb in times square. we got lucky with the cargo packages, lucky with the underwear bomber, that the devices didn't go off. uck isnot a strategy. we need to be routing out networks, killing terrorists. i think the american people, when they see an administraon worried about reading mirda rights to the underwear bomber. they wary when they see a administration committed to

civilian trials, what out the rights of the individual traveler? i'm concerned out of political correctness, they're screening people they don't believe -- >> you think profiling is a better option? >> i don't think it's profiling, i think it's using information we know. you look at things, for example, travel patterns, you look at how they purchased their ticket. you look at thing in, intel we've got. we know -- and george will and others make this point, we all know that the grandmother who's being body searched doesn't really pose a threat. we know the little girl going to visit her grandmother -- here the third thing that is odd. the administration rolled this out before the busiest travel time of the year, never making their case to the american public. if they really believed this was a response to a genuine threat, why didn't they make their case to the american public? the bottom line is, yes, we need to secure our country. but simply playing defense isn't enough. we need to harden our infrastructure. i think that is hard to listen to the administration that's reading miranda rights, stopping interrogation of the underwear bomber, and it's so hard to understand why they're so

worried about the terrorists' rights and not our rights. >> you write about this in your book. you talk about a therapeutic foreign policy. we'll get that portion of your book and put it on the screen. you write that "our current therapeutic apoach to natnal security is dangerous. i'm just not interested in emphasizing with the grievances of our sworn enemies. let's figure out where they're vulnerable a destroy them." hearing what you said, i think a lot of people would say, is that a serious commentary? i mean, you keep mentioni the christmas day bomber who actually confessed tohat he was doing. and the miranda rights were not read until later, number one. how could you say that this administration which has so many areas of continuity and is more robust in targeting terrorists in pakistan, surging of forces in afghanistan, continuity with gard to the treatment of terrosuspects and detainees, how could this be a therapeutic approach to foreign policy and security? >> i think the bush ministration was also wrong, by the way, the way they treated richard reed, the shoe bomber. i don't just criticize this president. >> you think president bush got

lucky? there was no strike -- >> how does a bomr get lucky or -- let me answer your question. i think he was wrong and the administration was wrong in the way they approached that bomber in the same way. you go back to the miranda rights for the underwear bomber. they caught him with a device. what was the purpose -- you asked a great question of secretary clinton -- why are we doing civilian trials if there not going to release him, compromising sources? the second point, look at some of president obama's rights, he says we have t understand the disadvantaged background, this is a matter of social justice and more northeforeign aid. nonsense. the disproportionate share come from disadvantaged backgrounds. this isn't about people with disadntaged jobs and social aid, this is a enemy that hates our way of life. a clash of cultures. i think it's important to warn terrorists tha we understand -- this isn't let's figu out a way to apologize for americans. this isn't how we offended them becae we're supporting israel. i think our foreign policy needs

to be based around the understanding this is an enemy that hates -- and disagrees with our fundamental freedoms. >> let's bring it home and talk about your book, "leadership in crisis." here's some video back in may of you ving a heated discussion with the president. we don't have to relitigate the whole issue. it had to do with expanding food stamp assistance forthose affected by the spill. he was concerned abo a letter that you sent out and some of the timing issues. you make a larger point as a result of that discussion. and you write about it in the book. that enounterith president oba served as a reminder to me of why americans are so frustrated with pearl harbor. the feds focus on the wrong thing -- pitical posturing becomes more important than reality. in washington, they live by the motto perception is reality. they worry about things they shouldn't, and fail to do things that they should focus. it's called core confidence or lackthereof. was the administration incompetent in dealing with the gulf oil spill? >> absolutely. the conversation and in the response to the ok, the administration doesn't get it. they were mad -- he says of mad about food stamps. the point was two weeks after the explosion, the main issue

was't food stamps. we were frustrated by the lack of resources, lack of a plan. i write in the book, for example, that there was really one case, there's boom, there are resources, the are people, there are boats sitting on the dock. i think the federal government official in charge of the program with the black hawk helicopter is in charge of at response message. he admits to oil, the resources there, he told me because of bureaucracy it will take 24 to 48 hours to move the resources, get them mobilized, that's too late. a second instance. we have a locally devised solution, barges to pick up oil out of the water. the federal government shut them down for over 24 hours so it can check and count the number life jackets and fire exnguishers, sohey can do routine inspections after being embarrassed publicly. 24 hours later they admit we don't need the inections, but they waste time. the white house comes back and says, well, we talk to the governor every day. it wasn't access. we had plenty of access. it was not gettingtimely

action. you and i were talking about bureaucracy five years and the federal response to katrina. we saw some of the same impediments again in response to the oil spill. at what point -- we pointed out ere was boom, materials all over the country sitting in warehouses and facilities. it took too long to relax the regulations to move those resources to the gulf coast. that would be like fighting a war, running out of ammunition on the front lines, having ammunition sitting in the warehouses because that's wt the rules say. they didn't cut through the red tape and bureacracies, they didn't real what was most important to get done. >> the white house was struck by cisions. you talk about being more concerned wh the p.r. strategy, yet the title is "leadership in csis." a picture of you in response to the gu the gulf oil spill. this could be seen as a way to show your political standing and use your own p.r. this is a statement from the ite house about stuff in the book, i'll put it on the screen, "the governor requested the national guard. we approved and he never put them to work. governor jindal pushed for his

berms which everyone has agreed were a mistake. governor jindal said he didn't have a an for skimmers or bo when he knows we did. national commander thad allen descred it several times in the governor's plan which approved the plan. he got a daily update on the booms from the coast guard in advance of the daily call this is nothing more than trying to sell a book." >> look, when he comes on, he tips off the washington reporters, watch this interaction. he tells them, i'm going to be mad with the governor -- the president, the white house, i'm not sure he called the reporters up and said "watch this." the second time he comeso louisiana -- at the end of the second eek, we have a meeting with parish presidents, elected officials. at the end of the meeting he tourns me and billy nungesser says i don't want you to criticize me. he's more worried about guys, here's the plan, how we're going to fight the oil, here was the problem -- you look agn at the response. yeah, we talked to him every ay. the frustration was getting a