good morning. carnage in ohio. disturbing new images from the roundup of dangerous animals, all of them now accounted for, most of them killed. why was a man convicted of cruelty to animals allowed to run a private zoo out of his own home? probation revoked. lindsay lohan led from the court in handcuffs, her mug shot taken once again, after receiving a tongue lashing from a judge for violating court-ordered community service. this morning she's out on bail but how long will her freedom last? and thanks for nothing. the seattle waitress whose only

tip from a customer was a note to lose a few pounds speaks out for the first time today, thursday, october 20th, 2011. captions paid for by nbc-universal television and welcome to "today" on this thursday morning. good morning. i'm ann curry. >> i'm matt lauer. it is disturbing to see these images of dead bears, lions, and tigers, but both police and animal ak vifctivists are sayin deadly force was necessary to protect human lives. >> what is being called into question is just how easy it is to own an exotic animal in certain states like ohio. could this tragedy have been avoided? should more be done to clamp down on the practice? we'll have the very latest on this straight ahead. also police carry out an exhaustive search at the home of the missing baby in kansas city

walking out with x-ray after x-ray. did investigators hit on something that could lead them to lisa irwin? we'll have details from the scene and talk to the private investigator who is now working with the family. also, just this morning french president nicolas sarkozy is confirming his wife carla brunei gave birth to a baby girl last night. he didn't want to announce the name. he said he wants to give his wife that pleasure. >> a smart idea. let's begin with the dangerous animal roundup out in ohio. stephanie gosk is in zanesville this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, matt. the numbers are shocking. 18 bengal tigers, 17 lions, six black bears. people in this community have been complaining about terry thompson's farm for years, but this issue of exotic pets, they are on the rise across the u.s. today because of this incident those laws are under very, very close scrutiny. just a bit of a warning.

as you mentioned, these images you are about to see are very disturbing. warnings went out early. big, wild animals that have no business roaming rural ohio were on the loose. >> that is a bear. >> reporter: the 911 dispatch in zanesville started getting some unusual calls. >> yeah, there's a lion on mount perry road. >> i'm pretty sure i just saw a wolf. >> we live next to terry thompson and there is a bear and a lion out. >> reporter: police say just before he took his own life terry thompson set more than 50 animals from his private zoo free. to protect the small town the sheriff and his deputies, armed with assault rifles, killed almost all of them, leaving behind disturbing images of carnage. >> lions, african lions and i think three bears. one of the bears charged a a deputy and the deputy shot it. >> we don't go to the academy and get trained on how to deal with 300-pound bengal tigers. >> reporter: the dead animals are all being buried at only six were tranquilized and

brought to the local zoo. >> because it's a tragedy for the animal world. it could have been a bigger tragedy for the human world. that's what we tried to avoid here. >> reporter: bengal tigers, lions, bears, exotic animals like these are easier to get than ever before. most can be bought online for very little money. this website lists 600 different animals for sale. >> in the united states today there are thousands of people who keep exotic animals as pets. globally the market trade of creatures is a $20 billion a year industry. >> reporter: most states either ban or heavily regulate exotic pets, but the humane society says 12 states have almost no regulations at all, including ohio. a new documentary shot in ohio takes a look at the lure of exotic pets and the danger. >> to buy a tiger, but you can't buy common sense. >> reporter: the film profiles a police officer whose friend was

mauled by a pet bear and a lion owner struggling to handle his beloved cats. >> when you look at both of those, when it comes to raising exotic animals as pets, especially with people who have very limited experience, you get the overall feeling this isn't going to work out well. >> reporter: in zanesville it didn't. the police prevented a human tragedy but at a very high price. later on "today" ohio governor john casey is going to give a press conference. his office is under a lot of pressure to change the law. they are re-evaluating a proposed ban on exotic pets that would have prevented this incident. matt? >> stephanie gosk, canton, ohio for us this morning. thanks so much. scott schumacher owns a 10-acre preserve in nevada home to more than 30 animals including tigers, bob cats, and a lion. good morning to you, scott. >> good morning. >> you must have had a visceral reaction to what you saw unfolding in danesville, ohio,

on wednesday. what were your thoughts? >> i couldn't believe that somebody would actually do that to their animals. he just basically set them up to be killed. >> obviously the police in this case were trying to walk a fine line balancing public safety with the desire to try to protect these animals but as we know most of the animals had to be killed. did they have any other choice? >> from what i understand they really didn't. they're dealing with a lot of animals and a short time constraint due to daylight and the weather was a factor, also. i'm not going to try and second guess the guy on the scene. he made a decision and he basically did what he felt he had to do. >> you said a second ago you can't believe somebody would set his animals up to be killed. should this guy have been allowed to run this preserve in the first place, given his track record, given the fact that he was convicted of animal abuse charges in the past?

>> it sounds to me like they didn't enforce the animal abuse laws and, you know, they didn't shut him down. he just got out of prison. i don't understand how he was able to keep his animals staying in prison. >> you obviously run a private preserve. i'm looking at a tiger next to you. according to the humane society 12 states ban the possession of exotic animals. 28 states have restrictions. 12 states have almost none. the question a lot of people are asking, do these animals, exotic and dangerous animals, you know, should they be in private hands in private preserves? >> i don't see any reason why not. if you take into account the welfare of the animal and public safety, there should be no reason why you can't have them. we've gone through a coordination with local merge

cyr vices, have a plan in place, we've had animal control out here showing them how we're set up, training them on handling of the animals, what to do in case of emergency. and that's the way to be responsible. >> you talk about in case of an emergency. do people in the community have a right to say we don't want to bear the burden of the fallout if something goes terribly wrong at one of these facilities? >> well, that goes back to, if something goes terribly wrong, the person that is usually affected by it is the owner or handler. >> but in this case these animals went out into the wider community. schools had to be closed down. people were told to stay in their homes. >> well, i understand that, but i've never heard of an exotic animal owner deliberately setting all of his animals free. >> all right. scott schumacher out in nevada this morning, thank you very much for your time. i appreciate it. >> okay. you're very welcome.

>> such a tragedy that so many beautiful animals had to be killed. let's check the morning's other top stories from natalie at the news desk. good morning, everyone. secretary of state hillary clinton is taking a tough stance in kabul this morning as part of what she is calling a, quote, reality check. clinton met with afghan president hamid karzai this morning and urged him to strengthen counterterrorism ties with pakistan and to press forward with taliban talks. in an unusual exchange clinton told karzai about a gaffe from gop presidential hopeful herman cain. >> one of the republican candidates, i think it was herman cain, the former pizza company executive. >> is he that? >> yes. >> all right. >> he started something they call godfather's pizza. >> yes. i see. >> but the president was saying he saw this news clip about how mr. cain had said, i don't even know the names of all these presidents of all these countries, you know, like whatever -- >> the stans and whatever. >> all these places.

>> that wasn't right. but anyway. >> well, secretary of state clinton heads to pakistan later tonight. meantime many americans who plan on voting republican in 2012 have not yet found a candidate they prefer over our current president. this is according to a new poll from the associated press. but even without a clear preference for an opponent about half of all voters surveyed say president obama does not deserve to be re-elected next year. and now let's head to wall street. cnbc's melissa francis at the new york stock exchange for us this morning. melissa, good morning. >> good morning to you. protesters in greece making european markets nervous. mean while the measure of inflation rising to a 28-year high, also a measure of employment. the median level has fallen to the lowest level this century. more than half of americans make less than $27,000 a year, $507 a week. back to you. it's rough out there, natalie. >> it certainly is. melissa francis, thank you. it was a chilly night at the old ball game as the st. louis cardinals won on their home turf

beating the texas rangers, 3-2 in an exciting world series opener. american idol winner scotty mccreary sang "the national anthem" and first lady michelle obama was there and said she was making her husband jealous by getting to attend the game. as you heard, it is a girl for french president nicolas sarkozy and wife carla bruni. sarkozy was seen entering the private clinic where the first lady of france gave birth on wednesday. he says his wife and child are doing well and they feel a very profound happiness but he will not reveal the baby's name just yet. it is the first time by the way in modern french history a child has been born to a sitting president. congratulations to them. back to matt and ann. with parents like that she'll be a gorgeous little girl. you just know. >> no question. you know, natalie, it is hard to sit next to these germ-a-phobes when i am clearly

a germ factory. you're being so nice. >> you know, it's not a treat for us to sit next to you. >> that's what i meant. >> we hope you feel better. >> wow. >> he touched me. >> i think you're >> i have purell right here. we have been talking about all the wind out in chicago. it's going to get windy here too. the bands you see, those are the more tightly packed intense pressure grading, and that's where we see the winds. on the radar you can see the spin and the winds are strong out there around chicago, 29 miles per hour, and 18 in peoria, and 13 in cleveland. the good news is we will see it die down as the pressure pulls away, and we will see rain in the great lakes. that's what's going on around the country, and here's what's going on in your neck of the woods. >> here is a live picture from the sky watcher camera. we have had the winds gusting

here over 30 miles per hour, and it will probably increase as we go through the afternoon. much of the region, it's 56 at reagan national. and then the winds diminish on friday and that is your latest weather. lindsay lohan is out on bail this morning after being led from court in handcuffs on wednesday. she was taken into custody after a judge revoked her probation. nbc's miguel almaguer is in los angeles. >> reporter: she was able to post bail set at $100,000 and later this morning is expected here at the l.a. county coroner's office to perform community service. her appearance here would follow a testy one in court on wednesday. lindsay lohan led away in handcuffs yet again, another mug shot to accompany a growing

portfolio. >> probation is a gift. it's a gift. it's not a right. >> reporter: but before the starlet was carted away a tongue lashing that lasted nearly an hour. >> she failed to show for nine scheduled appointments. >> reporter: lindsay lohan blasted by the judge for being terminated from community service in a los angeles women's center because of excessive absences. >> she needed to get off the stick, start doing that community service. >> reporter: prosecutors wanted lohan behind bars. >> we are requesting jail time be imposed for her actions. >> reporter: after the judge revoked lohan's probation she was led away by bailiffs but the actress posted bail before she could be taken to county jail. her bail bondsman waiting at the courthouse. the judge's reaction? what a surprise. in april lohan was given one year to complete 480 hours of community service, probation for a 2007 drunk driving case, and misdemeanor theft case from earlier this year.

but the judge said the actress has been a no show at the women's center. in court the judge read from lohan's probation report. >> ms. lohan indicates that at the women's center she wasn't interacting with anyone so the service was not fulfilling. her words. the service -- is that what a sentence is about? >> reporter: the judge pointed out lohan somehow found time to go to europe where she was seen partying in paris and modeled for a photo shoot in italy. >> her opportunities are not in this country. >> reporter: lohan's lawyer fired back saying lindsay cleared her time away from the women's center first. >> and her traveling to europe was not to have fun. it was to make money, to support herself and support her family. >> reporter: known for making a fashion statement in court, on wednesday lohan was also hammered online for her makeup choice. >> she sort of had clown red circles on her cheeks that made her face look puffy and misshapen. >> reporter: while the starlet has been cuffed and avoided jail

her next stop is the county morgue. out on bail lohan is expected to start her second round of community service here at the county wornor's office by 8:00 a.m. today. she'll be back in court in two weeks for her probation violation hearing and, ann, they say the judge even admits there is little time she'll have any jail time because of over crowding. >> all right. miguel almaguer, thanks so much. it is now 7:16. here's matt. thank you very much. now another high profile case in los angeles. the prosecution expected to rest today at the trial of michael jackson's doctor. nbc's kristen dahlgren is outside the courthouse with the latest. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, matt. the jury in this case has now heard from 33 witnesses along with reportings of michael jackson's own voice and dr. conrad murray giving his version of the singer's final moments. so with the prosecution about to rest the question becomes can the defense counter all that to create reasonable doubt? as they have every day, members of michael jackson's famous

family were at the courthouse. >> how are you holding up? what do you think so far? >> i'm mad. >> reporter: watching as the prosecution called its last witness, propofol expert dr. steven shaffer. >> in 25 years giving anesthesia i have never walked out of an operating room with the patient receiving an anesthetic drug. doctors don't do that. >> reporter: shaffer used a video to show how he says propofol is correctly used in an operating room and attacked murray for delivering the anesthetic in jackson's home without proper equipment then delaying a call to 911. >> that is so egregious that i actually find it difficult to even comprehend. >> reporter: the doctor held nothing back as he criticized murray for what he called 17 medical and ethical violations that he says led to jackson's death. >> we are in never never land here. something that's only been done

to michael jackson, no one else to the best of my knowledge. >> reporter: shaffer's testimony caps the prosecution's case and many experts say it leaves the defense with a tough task ahead. >> the prosecution case is unbelievably strong. they have proven gross negligence and a deviation from the standard of care in so many different ways that if it was handed to the jury as is, there should be a guilty conviction. >> reporter: but the defense will soon get its say. in opening statements murray's attorney previewed their plans to paint michael jackson as a desperate drug addict who self-administered the fatal dose. >> he did an act without his doctor's knowledge, without his doctor's permission, against his orders. he did an act that caused his own death. >> reporter: and with the burden of proof on the prosecution, the defense needs just one juror who doubts that murray is to blame. >> the defense's goal is going to be to muddy up the waters to

try to raise issues and raise doubt with anything and everything the prosecution has said. >> reporter: the defense plans to call 15 witnesses including its own experts, also character witnesses for dr. murray. again, the prosecution is expected to wrap up today and, matt, that means the defense would start on friday. >> all right. kristen dahlgren in los angeles. thank you very much. it's 18 after the hour. once again, here is ann. >> thanks. she is one of the most watched women in the world but kate middleton's hectic schedule didn't keep her from delivering a very personal message to one young fan. we're at buckingham palace this morning to explain this. hey, michelle. good morning. >> reporter: hi, ann. good morning. recently we saw the duke and duchess of cambridge visit a cancer hospital for children literally following in the foot steps of princess diana. they really seem to try to make it more than an appearance, spending a lot of time. kate told one child if you ever need anything, contact us personally, which made the little boy laugh. well, now in what may be her

first personal act of public kindness as princess, she's written a heart felt letter to a 9-year-old boy there. if you ever thought william and kate simply show up and do their duty at these packed events this visit to a children's cancer hospital last month showed something else. >> make sure you get it, all right? >> reporter: talking to each child at length. the look on kate's face seemed to say what words could not. here with 9-year-old fabian diagnosed with leukemia at age 5 and just relapsed. >> encouraging that they had that focus and just took our eyes off everything else. interesting that week we had just heard about his need for a bone marrow transplant. >> i gave her one of these.

it's signed and has a website on the back. she said she promised that she'd go. >> reporter: and then another surprise. >> the royal postmark so we knew it was a genuine thing. and this is the letter. >> reporter: addressed to fabian on the duchess's stationary. >> i very much enjoyed meeting you. i was so touched by your strength. i will keep my fingers crossed. i will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers. >> reporter: signed simply catherine. >> she really is beautiful but it was really her character and it showed through her eyes. i think, you know, she genuinely

was moved. >> reporter: kate is making charity her hallmark. this past weekend at st. james palace in glowing red she and william helped raise a million dollars for a child bereavement fund and fabian got some more good news recently. both of his sisters are bone marrow match for him. they say they have kate's thoughtful words of hope to hold on to. >> reporter: william and catherine are described as genuine, compassionate, approachable, which is a dream come true for the royal family moving forward. right now kate is working on choosing the charities she will personally endorse which will do wonders for their funding. tough choice but a good one to be able to make. ann? >> all right. our best wishes to fabian, michelle kosinski, thank you so much. just ahead, why did police take x-rays during extensive, day long search at the home of missing kansas city baby lisa irwin? and the private investigator working with the family is speaking out on this, coming up. first, this is "toda

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it's a blustery thursday morning. live pictures showing race horse clouds flying thank you golden sky at dawn. temperatures are in the low to mid-50s throughout most of the region. winds will likely increase and gusts to around 40 miles per hour as high temperatures reach the 60s. dimini

7:30 on a thursday morning, october 20th, 2011. a bit of an overcast start to the day here in the northeast. al says, here's the good news though. it should clear up nicely just in time for a big concert on the plaza tomorrow morning. one of the hottest acts in music, cold play, taking over our 8:30 half hour tomorrow. look forward to that. if you're in the area come on down and get a seat early or standing place early. inside the studio i'm matt lauer alongside ann curry.

if you've ever waited tables you know it can be a very difficult job and you also know how aggravating it can be to get a bad tip. well, someone in a seattle restaurant gave a waitress nothing more than a note. on the note it said, "lose a few pounds." she didn't find that funny at all. we'll hear from her coming up. >> she's got a lot to say. also coming up this morning a pregnant woman diagnosed with terminal cancer was faced with an agonizing choice -- chemo to save her own life or forego treatment so her unborn child could survive. coming up that woman's family speaks out. very emotional decision, matt. on a much, much different note could you imagine visiting a real life jurrasaic park? wait until you hear just how close scientists think they are to cloning the long extinct woolly mammoth. that would be cool. >> no kidding. we begin now with the search warrant executed at the home of missing kansas city baby lisa irwin. in a moment we'll talk to the private investigator now working with the irwin family, but first

nbc's peter alexander is in kansas city with the details. peter, good morning. >> reporter: ann, good morning to you. investigators came right back where they started. this was an exhaustive search. they were here until 1:00 in the morning, nearly 16 hours on site, to execute that search warrant. they would not reveal exactly what they found but it's obvious the question they're still trying to answer is where is baby lisa? their marathon search lasted late into the night. crime scene investigators dressed in sterile white suits testing, analyzing, combing every inch the irwin family home for any sign of baby lisa. technicians carried away what appeared to be x-ray film to be examined inside bomb and arson trucks on site. all day long with shovels and rakes crews scoured the property at times seen digging and prodding behind a shed in the back yard. nearby, detectives searched the roof and gutters, even the bird feeder for hidden clues.

investigators collected bags of potential evidence. they've been here before at least seven separate times, to the house where lisa's parents say their baby daughter disappeared october 4th. so why now and why this time armed with a search warrant? >> law enforcement is responding i think in part to the fact that the family now is represented by counsel. so i think that they're matching strategies with the family. >> reporter: neither the fbi nor kansas city police would reveal exactly what they were looking for. still, it seems clear authorities suspect the irwin family home holds secrets to this baffling mystery. now more than two and a half weeks old. >> these investigators have developed new information, new leads that tell them there is evidence inside that home that they had not looked for or found on prior searches. >> reporter: baby lisa's parents

deborah bradley and jeremy irwin insist their child was abducted and told nbc news on sunday they fear someone was scouting out their home. what do you guys think happened to lisa? >> somebody watched us. somebody waited. i don't know for how long. >> reporter: for now deborah and jeremy are staying with relatives and say they're praying for their daughter's safe return. will you ever move back into the home? >> i don't want to be back unless i have her. it's not the same. >> reporter: we reached out to the attorney for lisa's parents, in new york, who released this statement specifically about the search warrant saying i don't know why a warrant is needed. they can go in and out any time. they have had unfettered access because we want answers. ann? >> peter alexander, thank you. bill stanceon is a private investigator hired by a friend of lisa's family. good morning. >> good morning. >> why the x-rays? are they possibly not just looking for evidence but possibly for baby lisa herself?

>> absolutely. they are probably looking for multiple things -- dna, potentially if she was buried under the house, etcetera. >> and this idea that a bomb and arson truck were brought in even though there is no evidence of explosives in the house, what is your response to that? what is your assessment of that? >> i'll just take a guess. maybe there is a component of that bomb truck where they could search for vapors maybe of a deceased body. >> are they show boating, the police? >> i would never say that against a police department. >> are they doing a good job? >> from my optic, yes, they are. >> so if they're doing such a good job why are your services required? >> because i'm putting a different set of eyes on it. i'm not going over their homework. i'm doing a parallel but different course. >> you're saying you're an independent investigator and as i just mentioned you're hired by a friend of lisa's family. can you tell us something about who hired you so we understand whether you are in fact truly independent? >> absolutely. it is important to note, and an important distinction to make. while i'm working with the

family i'm not working for the family. this benefactor, the directive we spoke of was find the baby and take the truth wherever it goes. if that truth leads me to their guilt, so be it. >> okay. so then this person who is paying your bills, does that person have power over when and whether you release information? >> oh, no. absolutely not. any and all information that i get is a one way street. i give it directly to the kansas city police department. i don't ask for anything in return. i give it over good, bad, or ugly. remember, i do have access to the family. when i went to them and i told them if you're guilty i will look to have you arrested, they said, no problem. they said, whatever you need. that did impress me. >> if you do have information, that they are either guilty or if you have information that a kidnapper took this baby, then you have a -- do you feel you have a moral obligation not to talk to -- not to wait but rather go directly to the police? >> we're not waiting at all. who are you going to go to?

the police or the person who pays your salary? >> yes. we have a pipeline. there is a contact number. i have news for you. we are giving all the information -- we're not even necessarily giving the family the information that we get. >> so meantime what is your current theory? >> my current theory is at this time i am looking outside the home because everybody is saying the family did it and i am absolutely looking at them but then you tell me how they did it. did she drive? did he do it? did she do it? did she walk and take the baby and dispose of the baby? that's the tough question. so when you eliminate those, then you have to entertain the idea that someone came from outside the home. look at the phone records. get blood hounds to follow her scent in case she took that baby and hid it somewhere by foot. go over all of those variables. look at that real hard. then if it's not coming up, that is they did it, then you have to look outside the home. >> right. exactly. you seem to be indicating that they would have to be very good criminals if the parents actual di it. >> you make a good point.

they would have to be master criminals. >> why? >> because it's virtually a perfect crime. there is nothing leading you. look at the timeline. you look at what happened. she was sleeping in the bed with her boy. so now you can't wake up the kids. you have to i would assume this was done by accident if she did, let's say she shook the baby or over medicated the baby. she had the timeline between let's say 10:30 and 3:45. how did she do all this not knowing if her husband was going to come home at any minute? it's just very hard to wrap my hands around. so when i talk over with my team and we go over this and, understand, for hours and hours, it keeps coming back to the potentialality that someone from outside the home. >> but you have no evidence of that either. >> no, nobody does. and it's important. anything, all our findings, even theories we hand over because what we may think is innocent or innocuous the p.d. may think is their key. so they're getting it all.

>> all right. bill stanton, thank you so much for bringing a little bit of clarity to this. >> if i could just make a note there is a $100,000 reward, so hopefully someone will look to collect on that. >> all right. thank you so much, bill. it is now time to get a check of the weather from al. today's weather is brought to you by advil. make the switch to advil now. and good morning everybody. cloudy skies, showers just about on the end here in the northeast. there is more activity moving up to the north but as we look ath. there's more activity up in the north, but as we look at the temperatures we have cold air coming in. today, right now, it's 46 in atlanta, where it's 66 here in new york. we move into friday, and cooler air making its way to the east, and it starts to moderate out west, and the cooler temperatures move into the northeast with some 40s hanging out, but 90s down through the desert southwest. that's what's going on around the country, and here's what's going on in your neck of the

woods. >> sunrise was about 20 minutes ago, and it's newspaper a partly cloudy sky. those clouds are racing 30 on gusty winds. these are the latest wind gusts. 20 to 30 miles per hour, and they will likely increase as the afternoon progresses. 56 now at reagan national. it's in the 40s out of the mountains, though, and tomorrow and into the weekend, chilly weather moves in as the winds diminish. we got the original sister act here. where are you from? >> arkansas. >> nice to see you. >> massachusetts. >> okay. very nice. all right. ann? >> all right, al. thank you. coming up next the waitress received a tip to lose weight and lashed out at her customer online and speaks out. [ female announcer ] starbucks via® is planted the same... ♪ ...harvested the same... ♪ ...and roasted the same as our other premium coffees. ♪ it only makes sense it would taste the same.

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couple sitting at her table on a bus fredi night was downright rude. >> him and his girlfriend were eating their food and they picked up this taco they ordered and it had an extra layer of beans on it and they were just pointing and waving in my face like this taco is carb hell. >> you were considering kicking them out of the bar. >> yeah, i was. >> reporter: after the couple closed their tab with a credit card, victoria looked at the receipt. the man had left a terrible tip, no money, just some handwritten advice about losing weight. >> reporter: what did it say? >> it said, "you could stand to lose a few pounds" and "lose" was spelled incorrectly just to prove how intelligent they were. >> reporter: and to prove how angry she was over being insulted and stiffed victoria went on facebook and tried to give the male customer a piece of her mind. >> as a feminist i think it's completely uncalled for for a man to, when he's mad at a woman just pick her apart physically. >> reporter: bloggers picked up on the incident and the story

went viral. they're even talking about it in taiwan. >> it is never appropriate to write something unkind on the bottom of the credit card slip. >> reporter: days after all the attention about victoria's terrible tip an online review from an unidentified person certainly seemed to describe the night in question. he wrote in part, "my girlfriend and i had without question the worst restaurant/bar experience of our lives. the woman who was supposed to be serving us seemingly ignored us for 25 minutes." according to the reviewer they were served double decker tacos which they didn't order. when they asked for regular tacos, the reviewer says the waitress countered with some snarky comment about, you could use a little weight. for her part, victoria claims that's not what happened. >> i didn't do anything to offend this person and i don't know why they had to pick apart my physical appearance for it.

>> reporter: now, victoria goes back to work tonight. in fact, she's been back to work since this all unfolded and she says it's created some tension among her co-workers, some who believe she should have not have taken this to facebook. that, unfortunately, rude behavior from customers is all in a day's work. matt, back to you. >> amy robach out in seattle for us this morning, thank you very much. coming up next, how would you like to walk alongside a woolly mammoth? you'll be surprised at just how close scientists say they are to bringing the creatures back to life. that's right after this. ♪

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deep within siberia, so remote you need a hovercraft to get there, we traveled back in time to a frozen place called windy cliffs where woolly mammoths roamed tens of thousands of years ago. so many bones that russian scientists and mammoth expert sergei zimov had a good collection within minutes. >> leg. >> that's heavy. >> yes. >> reporter: but the real treasure lies in the permafrost below where scientists have found the most preserved mammoth remains in recent years, whose dna offers the best hope for cloning the species. hendrick poinar in ontario is excited and says he has almost cracked the entire genetic code. >> within the next year we should have the complete genome. >> reporter: he's come a long way since appearing on the "today" show in 1993 with his reality check about steven

spielberg's new film "jurrasaic park." >> cloning a dinosaur is not a feasible project. >> reporter: okay. maybe not dinosaurs but cloning extinct species like the mammoth he now says is do-able. >> obviously spielberg was thinking further ahead than we were. >> reporter: meanwhile this professor and his japanese team are trying to clone a mammoth by injecting mammoth dna into an elephant egg creating a mammoth embryo. despite initial setbacks he's optimistic. real life woolly mammoths actually walking the earth for the first time in 10,000 years, so what do you do with them? where do you raise a mammoth in today's warmer world which many scientists believe actually killed off its ice-age ancestors? the answer could lie here in the far reaches of northeastern

siberia. welcome to 60 square miles of grass land, reindeer, wild horses, and bison, a whole ice age ecosystem, part hobby and part science experiment where zimov has recreated a slice of the past. what's missing of course are the packs of huge woolly mammoths. now the stuff of fantasy but if cloned mammoths do become fact -- >> i kno will survive here in this place. >> reporter: there is a good chance this man made park could feel like home. but don't hold your breath. we could well see a baby mammoth in five to ten years according to some scientists we spoke to but a herd of mammoths roaming around their ancient grasslands is something that our grandchildren might see but thanks to those amazing computer generated images from discovery channel at least we can dream.

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>> we were waiting for the woolly mammoths. >> there you. there's a theme in our broadcast this morning. i'm ann curry with matt lauer and al roker. coming up, a story that will touch the heart of any parent. >> stacy krim was diagnosed with terminal cancer a couple weeks into her pregnancy and given a heart breaking choice. treat the cancer or maintain the pregnancy. she chose her unborn daughter and lived just long enough to hold that baby girl. stacy's family members are going to join us this morning and share a touching story of sacrifice. >> what a sacrifice. my gosh. then earlier this week in a related subject, juliana ransek underwent a double lumpectomy after revealing she had breast cancer here on "today." how did it go and how is she feeling? her husband bill will be here. >> fingers crossed for juliana. meantime let's get the news stories of the morning from natalie at the news desk.

the state department and pentagon say they cannot confirm reports out of libya this morning that moammar gadhafi has been captured or killed. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins us now with more. mick, what are you hearing there? >> reporter: natalie, pentagon military and intelligence officials are as you said saying that they cannot absolutely confirm that moammar gadhafi has been killed or captured. according to one senior u.s. official who again said it cannot be confirmed, this official said, however, it is looking good that perhaps gadhafi has in fact been captured in his hometown of cert. the town was the scene of joyous jubilation today as the libyan rebels finally drove out the last of moammar gadhafi's forces as we see here in this video. but, again, the reports that gadhafi himself has been killed or captured cannot be confirmed

but officials are saying it is looking good. now, even though gadhafi was not really in command of any kind of military force that could offer the kind of resistance that was required against nato air strikes and the rebel forces, his killing or capture of course would be a huge psychological victory for this new transitional government there in libya and, finally, after decades of brutal regime end the gadhafi rule in libya for good. natalie? >> all right. jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, of course, monitoring the developments there. we'll be checking back with you throughout the morning. for the latest on the ground we'll turn to cert, libya, for the very latest. what are you hearing there? >> reporter: well, good morning, natalie. we were on our way to cert when we first heard the news that cert has fallen to the rebels. and on this lonely stretch of highway between misrad and certe

you have jubilant cheers. they all say gadhafi has been captured and is possibly on his way to misvarada and they are basically celebrating. it's ban long slog for these men who have been fighting for basically eight months when the fighting first started and it's been two months since the capital tripoli fell. there's a lot of jubilation though there has been no confirmation of these reports. >> we'll be checking back with you as well. thank you. in other news this morning, officials in zanesville, ohio say all of the exotic pets set free from a private farm tuesday night have now been accounted for. deputies were forced to shoot 50 animals including lions, bears, and rare bengal tigers released by their owner before he apparently committed suicide. drivers began calling police after spotting the animals along interstate 70 east of columbus. now for a look at what is trending, our quick-roundup of what has you talking online. tmz reports the kardashian girls

were taken by surprise when they heard that president obama doesn't like his daughters watching "keeping up with the kardashians." first lady michelle obama spilled the beans in an interview. khloe kardashian says the president told her it was a great show when she met him at a white house event last year. call it a stroke of sheen-ius. charlie sheen took to twitter to reveal he'll be dressing up of course as charlie sheen for halloween. actually costume shops say the sheen masks are hot this year because they bring out the tiger blood in anyone. and musician jonathan mann has a hit on youtube. he posted this duet with the voice activated virtual assistant on his new iphone 4-s ♪ okay will you marry me let's just be friends will you marry me we hardly know one another will you please marry me i'm not capable of love and your licensing agreement does not cover marriage ♪

>> that's pretty genius. mann says he took creative liberty and prerecorded siri's responses because siri can be unpredictable. 8:05 right now. back to al with a check of the weather. >> pretty good. thanks. and a tip of the hat to these folks who have my name on their hat. where are you guys from? >> chicago. >> who do you want to wish happy birthday to? all right. happy birthday, sir. thanks so much. li like the hats. let's check your weather. austin, texas, sir. let's check your weather. austin, texas. sunny, mild, 76 degrees. as we check things out, you have the big spin of low pressure over the great lakes, and that will make its way up the coast and as it does, the rain will be ending and the winds will die down from chicago, and showers in the pacific northwest, and rainy around the great lakes, and beautiful weather from texas on into the southwest, and 97 in

phoenix today. look for 78 and some high surf advisories along the western florida coast. that's what's going on around the country, and here's what's going on in your neck of the woods. >> the deep great lakes low is what is whipping us with wind this morning. it's partly cloudy now, and the winds gusting to around 30 to 35 miles per hour may actually gust higher than that as we get into the afternoon. temperatures are chilly, and we're down into the low and mid-50s. 54 at reagan national. later today, we should rebound back into the 60s, and the winds gusting to 40 miles per hour. and then tomorrow, partly and that's your latest weather. ann? >> al, thank you so much. coming up we'll tell you really a very touching story about a woman who was diagnosed with terminal cancer and refused chemotherapy to save the life of her unborn child. her family shares their story right after this. [ laughs ]

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become pregnant. she could barely contain herself when she broke the news to her brother ray and his wife, jennifer. >> it took her by total surprise. she was petrified and happy and just -- she was just beside herself with it. >> reporter: but even as she was getting ready for the baby she would name dottie mae, stacy, suffering crippling headaches, tunnel vision, and tremors, knew something was very wrong. >> she'd call me crying. she would say that i'm not going to live long enough to have this baby. >> reporter: a devestating diagnosis for the single mom-to-be. terminal head and neck cancer. and a heart breaking decision. treat the cancer with chemotherapy or maintain the pregnancy. it was one or the other. stacy chose the life of her unborn daughter dottie mae. >> she said, you know, if i have to make a decision you know what that's going to be. don't even ask. she said, i've lived my life. >> reporter: in august as

stacy's body was shutting down doctors performed an emergency c-section. dottie mae was born ten weeks premature, weighing just two pounds. she was rushed to a neo natal intensive care unit in a different building before stacy could even see her. >> just one of those things that you know you have to do. >> reporter: nurses caring for dottie mae knew stacy didn't have much longer to live. even though both mother and baby were separate intensive care units and both critical these women, moms themselves, were insistent stacy hold her baby. they raced to get the necessary precautions in place then put dottie mae in an incubator and wheeled her over to meet her mother. >> sister just watched and they laid dottie on her chest and sister had all these gowns and towels and rubber gloves and masks on and she lifted up her hands under the covers and jufs held her and just looked at her and smiled. it was beautiful. >> she had never seen her.

she'd seen pictures of her, you know, we'd talk about her but she hadn't actually, you know, got to hold her. and, you know, that's what every parent dreams of is holding their baby. >> reporter: stacy asked ray and jennifer to take care of dottie before falling into a coma. she died three days later. >> your mother would be proud. >> reporter: dottie mae is now home with her new family after the ultimate sacrifice from a mother for her child. nbc news, houston. >> stacy's brother ray phillips and his wife jennifer are now along with us along with stacy's baby dottie mae. good morning to you and my condolences on your loss first of all. >> thank you. >> good morning. >> it's an overwhelming story. it is so emotional. if there is one silver lining it is lying in your lap right there. how is dottie mae doing? >> she's doing very well.

she still has to wake up every three hours to eat but she is doing very well. >> we mentioned she was born ten weeks' premature at just two pounds. what long-term challenges do the doctors say she faces? >> none as of yet. >> that's great news. >> she is on a -- >> this is a personal story obviously, ray. this is the loss of your sister and i'm sure it was overwhelming for you. why did you decide to share the story? >> i did it for dottie mae, you know, it's not really about us. my sister was a beautiful woman and i think dottie mae should know it. >> this decision that your sister stacy made, ray, did she discuss it with you or was there no discussing it? was it simply that her mind was

made up? >> her mind was made up. it was pretty cut and dry. >> did you agree with the decision? >> i told her i'd support her either way is exactly what i told her. >> that moment when stacy actually got to hold her baby, i believe you were there. just tell me more about it. what was it like for you to watch? >> i felt like it was probably the most beautiful thing i'd ever seen in my life and immediately afterward i told my wife, i said, i don't think i'll ever see anything that beautiful again. >> you are now caring, both of you, for dottie mae. i understand the father is not a part of her life. did stacy discuss with you at all how she wanted her daughter raised, things like that? >> yeah. stacy, she didn't have a dream

childhood. she didn't have a bad childhood. but one of the things she discussed with me was beauty pageants. i hope this little girl grows up beautiful. so we can put her in pageants. >> and, jennifer, you have from what i understand six children between you and ray, four of them living at home with you. are you worried about the challenges of adding another? >> you know, i love children. i love being a mom. i am excited. i think dottie will fit right in. >> and, ray, as dottie mae gets a little bit older what are you going to tell her about her mom? >> i don't think i'll have to tell her anything. i think she'll kind of figure it out on her own. >> well, take care of that beautiful little girl and we thank you very much for sharing her story and your sister's story as well, ray and jennifer. >> thank you. >> we'll be back right after these messages. i kept feeling this radiating ache everywhere.

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battle with breast cancer. the e news host made the announcement monday on the "today" show and tuesday underwent a double lumpectomy. her husband bill joins us. hey, bill. good morning. >> how are you? >> how are you and juliana doing? >> we are doing well and very grateful to the "today" show family and all the viewers who have been sending e-mails and tweets and letters of support. it's definitely helped juliana get through this and certainly she expresses her gratitude to everyone out there for showing their support. >> we're looking at some photographs of the two of you and another family member just before the double lumpectomy. what do you want to tell us about what she had to go through? >> well, it was kind of a long day believe it or not. there are many steps in the process when you go through this because it was on both breasts. the morning started out with a long, two-hour mri where they had to put a guide wire in so the surgeon knew exactly what area to remove. then from the mri went to a

mammogram where they did the other breast and put a guide wire in there and from there we went into the surgery and the surgery lasted about two hours. she's a trooper and pulled through it and was kind of relieved to get it over with and get the cancer out and she's doing well at home recovering and i'm adding a nurse to my resume now. she's having a lot of fun with that. >> i bet she is. i'm sure you're very busy tending to her. she described you as her rock. but it's really hard to watch someone you love go through cancer. and there is a toll on you even though you're the one trying to take care of the person who's suffering. the emotions must be pretty tough here for you. >> well, you know, juliana has had a tough year and a half. i just, between the ibf attempts and now with this. for me i wish i could carry some of the load, take some of the pain away and watching the ivs go in her arm and getting, watching her being wheeled into

that operating room was heart breaking for me. so i'm just doing everything i can to support her and make sure she's comfortable and try to make her laugh as often as possible. >> the doctors, what are they saying was the prognosis? you did catch it early. >> yeah. we're viewing this as a gift. it was caught accidently, very, very early. and we're going back tomorrow to the doctor to make sure that the lymph nodes, they had to remove a couple lymph nodes and we hope we get a good report tomorrow, god willing, and then it's radiation and then we kick off 2012 with a new outlook on life and we're ready to take on the world. she's excited. she's going to go back to work next week, god willing, and she's really viewing life a little bit differently. it's funny when you go through a situation like this it kind of turns the volume down on the things that aren't really that important. >> that's absolutely right. i know that you mentioned earlier the response online on twitter, so many people wishing her well and i know that you're

going to have a lot to say to this baby that you're going to have eventually. >> well, indeed. that baby not only will have saved juliana's life but the amount of tweets we've been getting from women and men saying they've scheduled their first mammogram or their wife has scheduled her first mammogram is really remarkable. that was the goal of this. >> all right. bill, thank you so much. our best wishes. so much

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it's breezy and beautiful here in new york city. temperature of about 65 or 66 degrees. >> so why are we wearing coats? >> i know. >> we're crazy. >> it's a fashion statement. why do we wear heels? >> you're getting sick. >> okay. >> you have to take care of yourself. >> thank you. >> i'm matt lauer with ann curry, natalie morales, and al roker. coming up, hoda and kathie lee do the pacific northwest. the question is what did the pacific northwest ever do to deserve this? there they are out there getting ready for the fourth hour of "today" from seattle, washington. >> all right. >> fish mongers. nice. >> okay. >> i don't know why but i get lucille ball all over this. >> they must be down at pike's place, one of the great places to go. normally people don't behave like that. >> looking for scale.

>> speaking of that, we are going to be talking about food coming up and that's the fall's hottest food trends. apparently there is such a thing. i'll show you how to work them into your next meal. after you make that meal have you noticed it's harder these days to get your dishes clean, harder to get the grime and grease off them? coming up we'll tell you why that's happening and reveal a new list of the best dish washing detergents on the market. but first, let's say hello to orlando bloom. great to have you. i'd give you a big hug and kiss but i'd get you sick. we love you. you play england's duke of buckingham in the new movie called "the three musketeers" and the bottom line is this appears to be a modern, high tech take on a 400-year-old story. >> yeah. >> and with you choosing not to be a musketeer but a duke, the question is, which did you love most, the big hair or the high heels? >> yeah, exactly.

i didn't want to wear a wig so we went with this kind of crazy hair-do. you guys probably every morning the last thing you want to do is sit in the chair for an hour and a half. >> they do wear the pompadour, though. >> it was hilarious. >> he is not a particularly good guy right? >> he is a little bit of a baddy. not all bad. >> you as a baddy. >> that was kind of the appeal because i think perhaps people might have expected me to play one of the musketeers but i got to sort of swing around as the duke of buckingham. >> this is 3d right? so really cool. >> so the pompadour goes right into your -- >> that is actually my lethal weapon in this movie. i don't even have to draw a sword. just use my hair. >> did you like the sword part? >> yes. in this movie quite literally i don't have toe to draw a sword, just use my hair. >> i am literally using my hair.

my tongue is my sword. >> paul anderson is the directeder, and he is known for the action. he doesn't allow any stunt double. this is a buzing effort. >> the boys trained hard to make the sequences look good. he took the classic novel and revamped it and made it a great film for 2011 and 2012 pop culture. >> you have a new son, right? >> yes, i do. >> congratulations. that's fantastic. >> also a sequel to "lord of the rings" movie. love it. >> mr. roker, how about a check of the weather. that's what's going on around the country, and here's what's going on in your neck of the woods. >> the winds are picking up. temperatures are down low to mid-50s, and 54 at reagan national. later in the day we should

rebound back in the 60s, and the winds should be getting blustery this afternoon. and then the wind should diminish tonight and the temperatures should be chillier, tomorrow in the 40s as well as on saturday and sunday that's your latest weather. you can always check your weather conditions. weather channel on cable or weather.com. now hello to uncle willard scott. hey, uncle willie. >> the leaves are brown and falling down. it is a wonderful time of the year. isn't it beautiful? and now from smucker's hall of fame, a birthday treat if you'll take a look, please. lorenavolz, like the car. thousand oaks, california, 106. loves to do crossword puzzles every day and plays cribbage and gin rumi. ho and we have george waggoner from louisville, kentucky 100 years

old today. loves to bowl and dance at the same time. quite an act he's got there. and he also, get this, in his career he sold muhammed ali his first set of boxing gloves. how about that? and we have grace mura of west palm beach, florida, 105. former designer. loves fashion and still keeps up with it all the time at 105. how about that? and dale chatfield, aurora, illinois, 100 years old today. a horseshoe enthusiast. the kind you throw out and pitch. i was pretty good at that at one time. fwood for you. mary walls, st. louis, missouri. she is 100. lives independently and just loves to garden and still is in good shape. how about that? thanks to, she says, her faith in the good record.

i guess she's bless wed good health. who blesses? the good lord. we have luther, love that name, luther gray, richmond, virginia, 100 years old. proud ww ii veteran and attends church every single sunday and loves all kind of sports especially baseball. that's it. that's all. back to you. >> thank you, willard. up next, from the tablets to the dish washer what should you use? we'll put them to the test. ♪ [ female announcer ] have you ever seen a glacier while sunbathing? why not? have you ever climbed a rock wall in the middle of the ocean?

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we're back at 8:39. this morning on today's consumer how good is your dish washing detergent? consumer correspondent janice lieberman is here with details. >> good morning. if you've noticed your dishes are dull and your glasses cloudy

it may not be the fault of your dish washer because about a year ago detergent makers removed phosphates from their products to help save the environment. so the ingredients changed and so may have their performance. good housekeeping magazine is out with their top picks of soaps that sparkle. we decided to see how they tackle that dirty job. who doesn't want their dishes to sparkle? finding the best soap to do the job isn't all that easy since phosphates have been removed from dish detergents some experts say cleaning dishes has not been the same. caroline forte home director of the cleaning lab at the good house keeping institute took us behind the scenes as they tested 35 dish washer detergents. >> yes. >> you have some really nasty looking stuff here. >> we do. >> reporter: they came up with their top five picks. but before we reveal them, you need to see how tough it is to become a clean winner.

>> we want to make sure our tests are really tough so we can discriminate between the different brands we're testing. >> reporter: most of us wouldn't dream of loading our dish washers covered with food, baked on egg, milk and cheese, burnt milk, caked on oatmeal, fried burger residue, and greasy margerine. what's on this? >> this is our, what we call our spinach smear. it is a combination of spinach, green beans, krisco, and mayonnaise. when we finish soilg everything we let it sit or bacon for two hours. after that two-hour period we load up the dish washer and run the cycle. >> she asked me to plant a wet one. >> most of the detergents really struggled with the lip stick. >> okay. >> fill the cups with coffee to put the stain on and then blot each rim with a paper towel. that's how we get it on and make it very precise. >> here is how i would do it. there you go. >> give us a hand. >> the kiss test. >> reporter: they used hard water which contains minerals to up the ante for the test. and surprisingly did not rinse

any dishes at all. before long, we were ready to start. caroline chose the pots and pans cycle. >> generally a longer cycle. the water temperature gets up to a higher temperature and also you get a much stronger wash action. >> so you want to make sure you choose the right cycle. >> it really does make a difference. >> after a fewer hours of washing and a heat and dry we were ready for the results. >> reporter: look. >> very clean. lip stick gone. >> reporter: did a great job. >> just two items had minimal soil on them. >> none of the 35 detergents we tested got everything absolutely clean. >> reporter: really impressive. and finally the winners. among the best in tablets? finish quantum. cascade's complete pack. and mrs. meyer's clean day packs. lovely. >> they have lavendar, even lemon. >> reporter: cascade complete gel was a glass and flatware favorite and the best bargain for your buck at ten cents a wash, walmart's great value

powder. and here are some other tips that may help get your load cleaner. make sure your tap water is hot before you turn on your dish washer. use more soap if you have hard water and the key is to loading the dish washer correctly. >> okay. how do you load it correctly? >> let me show you. first of all, don't overload. >> and also no -- open the dish washer. >> and have everything face the jets, the water jets coming in which i didn't know which makes a lot of sense. if you're not sure where that is read the manual. >> also a simple trick if you have film on your dishes which i always think is some of that chemical that you're washing the dish washing materials. >> i don't know where it's from but to clean it all out use a little vinegar in the cycle with water. it'll clean them and make your glasses sparkly clean. if you have hard water use a little borax to help clean it out. these are great tips. >> thank you so much. i think we now want to turn to matt for a special report on some breaking news.

hey, matt? and now this nbc news special report. there are reports out of libya today that former leader moammar gadhafi has been killed. it comes just hours after interim government forces launched an offensive in gadhafi's hometown of serte and two months after the fall of tripoli. let's bring in jim miklaszewski at the pentagon this morning. mick, what can you tell us? >> reporter: pentagon military state department intelligence officials here in washington still cannot positively confirm that moammar gadhafi has either been captured or killed, but evidence appears to be mounting inside libya that that is in fact what happened this morning outside gadhafi's hometown of sirte. according to one u.s. official while still not officially being able to confirm that gadhafi was captured or killed told nbc news that it's looking good and it

does appear at this hour that decades of his brutal rule there in libya have come to an end. >> mick, i want to mention to our viewers, i'll put an image up in a second that is graphic. this comes from a leader of rebel forces who claims it is a picture of moammar gadhafi after he was killed. again, it is a graphic image and we have no independent confirmation on this photo but it does appear to show the former libyan leader after being killed. mick, when do we expect that we might get more concrete information on this? how long will it take to filter out of libya? >> you know, there are u.s. officials on the ground including many cia who are embedded with the transitional national council, the new government or soon-to-be government of libya and so we expect within hours some firm confirmation from those u.s. officials on the ground in libya that moammar gadhafi is --

>> as the forces surrounded sirte and began to take it down, mick, there were some thoughts that it would be two -- of course being the hometown of moammar good halfy -- that it would be too obvious a place for him to be hiding. we had early reports this morning that the leader, the former leader was actually found hiding in a hole and had just been wounded but this just kind of shows us how difficult it is to get credible information out of that part of the world given the circumstances. >> reporter: that's right. latest reports indicate he may have been struck by nato air strikes in a convoy that was fleeing sirte just as the rebels took over power and drove out all the gadhafi loyalists in an intense, 90-minute gun battle this morning. u.s. intelligence for sometime at least the last six to eight weeks has believed that in fact gadhafi was either there in sirte, his hometown, or another town filled with gadhafi loyalists but today's air strikes perhaps on a convoy and

that photo which clearly does appear to be moammar gadhafi is mounting evidence that he is at least seriously injured if not dead. >> all right. again, the headline here that the one-time leader of libya for some 42 years before being ousted from power back in august, moammar gadhafi according to some sources out of libya has been killed. jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you very much. we'll have much more throughout the day on msnbc and msnbc.com. some of you will now return to your regularly scheduled programming. for others, there is more of "today."

back at 8:49 with our friend len burrman here to take us on a wild ride once again with the wonderfully whacky world of sports. len, good morning. >> good morning, guys. how are you? >> the last couple months featured the baseball playoffs and the nba lockout but what were truly the top sports stories? let's go spanning the world. >> unbelievable! >> on your mark, get set! play ball, our play of the month in germany. this is a bicycle kick over his end goal. how about that? >> nice. >> remember basketball? >> yeah. >> not a bad alley-oop pass wouldn't you say? rajon rondo. nice defense, guys. our oops of the month on the penalty kick in egypt.

>> the quarterback from clemson. there he goes. oh, my goodness. a gift touchdown for florida state. in kansas city, the tarp guy goes over. >> ouch! >> run for your lives! oh, my goodness. behind the plate. sparks fly. >> literally. >> heads up. our heads up plays of the month. the goalie kicks it and he kicks it off the head of the guy in front of him. back into his own goal. >> oh, no. >> embarrassing. corey banks for the bc lions runs a post pattern. my goodness. >> oh, no. >> did he make that sound? >> nobody got hurt. not even corey. our team of the month, the crew from great britain practicing on the moving walkway at the munich airport. and a guy going the wrong way. >> that's great. >> our animals of the month. the rally squirrel scampers

across the batter's box in st. louis. but you know what? upon further review, the squirrel misses home plate. our coach of the month at coastal carolina, no cats are wanted on his team. >> i told our players, we need to be like a dog. we don't need a bunch of cats in here, meow, looking good, i got my extra bands on. i got my shoes on. be a dog. >> be a dog. in washington did teddy roosevelt finally win his first ever president's race? the leprechaun got him. finally, here he komgs. at last he is going to do it. once and for all. it's a win except for the guy in the monkey suit. hate that. our fans of the month. in arena football the kickoff return. >> oh! >> hey, is that legal? >> and in taiwan to catch a foul ball he drops his daughter in front of him. >> oh, no. >> what? >> his wife is real pleased.

>> oh, yeah. >> you're a moron. >> very strong. >> thanks. >> probably the best yet. thank you. still ahead would your child benefit from a single sex school? today's professionals star, don donny, and nancy weigh in on that. first this is "today" on nbc. here they are. [ female announcer ] this is trish. trish uses aetna's personal health record to track her kids' immunizations, get lab results, see her family medical history, and when she's at the doctor's office, she uses it to remember what to ask before she leaves. it helps trish keep everyone in her clan healthy. even on the go. see for yourself, aetna.com. ♪ aetna. know more. get better.

who knows what's going to happen. >> it's going to be great 8:56 is your time now on this thursday, october 20th, 2011. good morning. i am eun yang. let's go right to meteorologist,

tom kierein, for a look at the forecast. the wind is a big story today. >> yeah, right now temperatures are chilly, in the low to mid-50s, so dress accordingly. if you have not been out yet, wear a wind breaker because it's chilly with wind. clouds developing later this afternoon, and winds may gust over 40 miles per hour from time to time and highs back in the 60s and then down into the the ♪ ♪ [ multiple sounds making melodic tune ] ♪ [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, every innovation, every solution, comes together for a single purpose -- to make the world a safer place. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman.

traffic. good morning. good news traveling in southeast d.c. police wrapped up their investigation and you get all the lanes back. still seeing some delays, outer loop of the beltway in maryland. slow commute, and travel time is at 20 miles per hour

we're back with more of "today" on a thursday morning the 20th day of october, 2011. started out with some drizzle in the new york area. turned into a beauty. speaking of beauties we're here with savannah guthrie and ann curry on the plaza. >> oh, he's buttering us up. the thorns and the roses. >> don't call them thorns. >> not nice. >> we've got today's professionals inside the studio getting ready to talk about the hot headlines of the morning. >> there are a lot to get to,

too. lindsay lohan was handcuffed in court yesterday and has already posted bail but got a real talking to from the judge in that case. we'll ask our team of professionals to weigh in on whether she is getting a different kind of celebrity justice. also, are single sex schools a good idea? and how do you spot a liar? we'll pose those questions to star jones, donny deutsch and nancy snyderman. they're already talking. >> all right. guys, good negotiators? >> no. >> i'm horrible at it. >> terrible. >> no. the worst. >> i want to pay full retail. okay. whether you're hoping for a better salary, want a good deal on a new car, trying to persuade your kids to get their home work done early, bargaining is a skill folks need to use every day. we'll help you identify your negotiating style so that you can get the results you're looking for. >> okay. and we all need our beauty rest. we all know that on this broadcast we never get enough of it but it's what you do before you hit the sack that matters when it comes to looking good and fresh faced in the morning. from your hair to your skin.

we'll have your evening beauty routine coming up this morning. >> left left unsaid. >> let's go inside. natalie is standing by at the headlines. hi, natalie. good morning everyone. reports from libya this morning that moammar gadhafi has been killed by rebel forces. earlier this morning libyan fighters drove the last gadhafi holdouts out of his hometown of sirte. gadhafi had been in hiding for months and now a photo has surfaced. we should warn you it is graphic and we have not independently verified this is gadhafi but there is no way to identify the person in the photo yet. the rebels are claiming that this is gadhafi. no confirmation from the white house, pentagon or state department yet. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins us now. if these reports are true that gadhafi has been killed, how significant is this for libya? >> it would be very significant. it would end the military phase of the libyan war. now they will have to go on and truly try and build a government. we are also getting some new

information. three sources all of them rebel sources are saying that gadhafi has in fact been killed. one of those sources the head of the military council so that's three different sources all saying the same thing. similar kinds of sources but that is the most definitive confirmation that i've heard yet this morning that he is dead. there is also a report from one witness who says that he saw gadhafi while he was still alive in sirte but dying and that this witness is claiming that he hit gadhafi with his own shoe. >> richard, important as well, because sirte is his birth place and is of course a symbolic city. how important is it that he was driven out of sirte and captured or killed it sounds like? >> gadhafi decided if these reports are confirmed to go back to his hometown, a hometown surrounded by rebel forces. he was dug in in this city surrounded by a group of loyalists. there has been intense fighting in sirte over the last several weeks and according to multiple

sources now infighting in libya earlier today in the hometown of sirte. gadhafi was killed by rebels. >> a lot of celebration there as well, richard engel, thank you so much. on other news now, all of those escaped wild animals in zanesville, ohio have been accounted for with most of the animals killed. many animal rights advocates say officials have little choice but to kill dozens of the exotic animals. they were released by the owner of a preserve who then apparently took his own life. secretary of state hillary clinton is taking a tougher line on pakistan saying she wants pakistanis to fight harder against terrorists within their own borders. this morning she met with afghan president karzai and outlined a strategy of fight, talk, and build and said it's imperative for the u.s., afghanistan, and pakistan to cooperate against insurgents. clinton heads to pakistan later today. a colorful royal welcome today for queen elizabeth who is visiting australia's capital

city. she and prince philip took a motor boat to a flower show. it was their first public appearance of a ten-day tour of australia. and canine exercises. a dog at a shelter in south florida has an unusual way of getting around. with an old injury to her back legs trixie the chihuahua walks around using only her front legs poor thing. she was brought to the shelter after drivers saw her walking down the street, got distracted, and crashed. the shelter is now trying to find her a new home. poor thing. it is now five minutes past the hour. let's go back outside once again to matt and ann. >> wow. that's not easy. >> no. she's got some strong front legs. >> mr. roker is down the other side of the plaza. >> we've got some nice guys here. what's your names? where are you from? >> colorado springs. >> cool! very nice. having a good time? >> yeah. >> you're bouncing up and down. you okay? doing all right? yeah? okay. let's check our weatherfrom? >> colorado springs. >> you are bouncing up and down, and is everything all right.

let's check our weather. why is it so windy from chicago to the northeast? we have a tight pressure, and that's the difference between pressure systems. the tighter the stronger the winds. and can you see on the radar rotating around the low, 29 and 30-mile-per-hour winds in milwaukee, and 20 miles in peoria, and 11 in cleveland. it's a windy day, but the good news is it will die down, and we're looking for another inch or so up through the north and on into canada, otherwise the rain will be coming to an end. we will see windy conditions. that's what's going on around the country, and here's what's going on in your neck of the woods. >> sunny and chilly. temperatures in the low to mid-50s throughout most of the region, and now 55 at reagan national, and in the bay it's in the upper 50s, and near 50 in much of maryland and the shan n shenandoah valley now. and later in the day, it should be in the 60s, and then the wind should diminish tonight and then

temperatures plummet to the low 40s tomorrow morning, and it that's your latest weather. savannah? ♪ i'll be taking care of business every day ♪ >> thank you, al. now to today's professionals. our panel of power players giving us their take on the hottest stories making news. i'm sorry but donny deutsch is going to sleep through this segment apparently. here they are the professionals. star jones is an attorney and author. donny deutsch is tired. dr. nancy snyderman is nbc's chief medical editor. good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> you all right, donny? going to make it through? >> just got a little -- she -- i'm all right. >> just wanted to put his head in nancy's lap. >> let's move on to our hot topics shall we? lindsay lohan back in court. she was handcuffed in court. hauled off to jail momentarily after getting a dressing down from the judge. now there will be a subsequent hearing on whether or not she should be take tone jail. >> she really did wear that well, you know. >> is that your legal opinion? >> that is my absolute legal opinion.

my true legal opinion is this is someone who is a train wreck that we enjoy watching and that's sad for us as a society and even sadder for her. she is self-destructive. >> this judge really gave her a talking to. i had to wonder whether or not she was getting a different kind of celebrity justice. >> i don't know. if you start, roll it back, this is a classic example i believe of watching a public figure who's had really bad parenting so if you start with that and no support system, then she's a train wreck and there is no one in her immediate life to take care of her and then she has an alcoholism and drug problem. it's the last place you want to put people is in prison because there is sort of no fix it. now this defiance of the law i think takes it one step further. >> why are we still talking about her? i can't even remember the last thing she actually did on a professional level. >> i'm going to contrast her with another young actress from long island natalie portman. is it more interesting for the new york post or any media outthroat cover today that natalie portman took her baby daughter to the park or a young woman is crashing and burning?

we don't report the planes that land on time. unfortunately we report the planes that crash. it's twofold. number one my life is not that bad. look at this gorgeous celebrity. she is crashing and burning. on the flip side the charlie sheen factor there is something primal. she's acting out, snubbing the law. it's that combination. we are a society blafg badly. >> star, do you think the judge is too tough? she said you have to do these 360 hours or 480 hours of community service but she has until april to do them. yes, she is being slow about it but she is not in violation in terms of the hours yet. >> i don't think she can actually be violated ultimately at the end of the hearing. i think she is being punished more for her attitude than her actions which she should be but the way you punish her for attitude is not jail. that's not where -- >> pile on more community service? the fact that she didn't show up to help a woman's shelter, i mean that is just disgusting. by the way, you have a drug

problem, all this stuff. but you're given a shot and you -- >> donny, this is one paycheck away from being in a shelter. >> this happens all the time. if we were in brooklyn you wouldn't know about it. because it does happen. >> she said to her probation officer she didn't find the work fulfilling which really set the judge off. >> yes. >> single sex schools, there is a report in science magazine that looks into whether the single sex schools are beneficial, educationally, whether they're even legal. >> i thought we put this one to bed. single sex education does make a differences specially for girls. if you look at the women's college. >> you going to do the whole thing they raise their hand versus with boys they don't raise their hand? >> excuse me. a couple days ago we talked about the difference between mentoring and having an advocate. you and i in the middle of the class i'm raising my hand, teacher, pick me. boys absolutely get attention. >> i don't want to date any of us. i think that might have been true 20 or 30 years ago but today's young girls when in the media they see as many powerful women as men i wonder if that's true. >> they don't see as many. >> they were earning 67 cents to

the dollar. >> a different discussion. >> let me ask you a question. why would you take, by the way, parents should do whatever they want to do. my daughters are in coed school. i'm sending them to same sex camp. why set up a synthetic environment? like this coed. why set it up? >> it's not synthetic. >> i don't believe in single sex education because i don't believe that that's the way the world operates. >> exactly. >> i believe that when you get -- i don't even like all black environments, all white environments, all girl or all boy environments. >> even if it was beneficial, shown to be beneficial for young women, do you think because it's artificial you still would prefer to have an integrated school? >> you know, it may be better for young women at that age but when you get to college age i think you got to get ready. you got to get ready for the world. >> as a guy with three girls it's a forbidden fruit. i don't want my girls all contained with girls so they're all of a sudden boy crazy and deprived of it. >> that is not part of the education. >> my whole point is that is part of everything. >> i'm separating you two. next week you're going to sit

over there. >> i just want to apologize. i touched her leg. >> that's okay. it happened in the republican debate the other day right? okay. now we digress. next question, when should you remove the ring? watching demi moore and ashton kutcher, demi is still wearing her ring and nobody knows what is going on in that relationship but it raises the question when you're having troubles in your relationship or separated when is the right time to remove the ring? >> when you're over it. when the ring no longer means anything to you. then you remove it and take it to your favorite jeweler and they put it on a little chain and you wear it around your neck. >> you told us you did that. you said you never wore rings. >> never. neither of my parents ever wore rings and so i can't tell who's mayor antidepressant who is not. >> i didn't wear it because it was uncomfortable. there are people who are separated but still want to work it out. that's when the ring is on. when you're over it, take it off. >> is the ring like the old fashioned way of the facebook status? you know, single, divorced or complicated? >> if any women are concerned that men are not wearing rings, a ring for a man is attractive

to women. so that's not a sign of fidelity or infidelity. >> that is a whole other story for another time. >> doesn't it make you disgusted? >> don't shoot the messenger. >> i suspect she is wearing the ring as a way to say to the media leave me alone. >> right. not ready to talk about it. >> how about i'm not ready to be dwone my husband? >> there is that possibility as well. let's get to our next topic. i like it. can you spot a liar? there is actual science behind it. some of the indicators are repeating questions before answering. too much eye contact. fake smiles. forgetting details. dr. nancy, you're our doctor. is there really science behind it? >> there was a show on television called "lie to me" which has since been canceled because it was too good to be on television and it looked at micro expressions of a face. whether you and i keep contact. whether we bite our lip. whether we look down. there are all these little micro expressions. you can absolutely tell. in one's family i bet there are hints when you look at people. >> do you have tell tale signs

you look for? >> my major sign is lies don't have details. it's always easy when you can question them about something just very innocuous. we tell the story of us sitting here. you ask, where was donny seated? just out of the blue, has nothing to do with the substance. if you can ask those kinds of questions you can tell. >> okay. not saying whether this is true or false. i am a great dancer. i am a great dancer. >> you're lying. >> i can tell he is telling the truth because a corner of his mouth went up because he is daring me to say you're wrong. he is a great dancer. >> in your opinion. >> okay. i knew it wasn't true. instinctively. next topic sexy halloween costumes for kids. they're just getting sexier and sexier. >> while you're under my roof and i am paying for school or food or whatever, the answer is no. you want to go to college and do stuff at a frat party i can't stop you but this, i think, the manufacturers are pushing this more and more and more.

>> slutty is the new black. it is amazing. every costume. not a nurse a sexy nurse. you have to draw a distinction. at home i have a 4-year-old and 8-year-old. that speaks for itself. when a girl is 16 or 13 not 13, 16 and wearing short skirts to school they are at an age where they are going to dress a little sexier. it is hard at that point to pull it back. >> but your 8-year-old -- >> you know when it's wrong. >> your 8-year-old should not be dressing like a hooker. >> duh. >> no matter what. >> thank you for telling me. that's what she was planning for halloween. >> excuse me. i'm at the costume store just the other day. that is for the 18-year-old. i mean for the 8-year-old. for the 4-year-old she can dress as jasmine with the tummy out. >> my 8-year-old two years ago was in a cheerleader thing and it has a little -- i just didn't like it. it was wrong. >> our last topic is cute. granny does nascar. 92-year-old woman went driving in a nascar race because it was on her bucket list so we thought we'd ask you guys what's on your

bucket list. star? >> i want to take a ride down the nile like the great queens of africa used to do. i don't know why. i've always wanted to be cleopatra. that's mine. >> that's the weirdest thing. i've always wanted to be cleopatra also. it wasn't nile. it was a whole other setup. so bizarre. >> i always wanted to go into space. i would go into space tomorrow if i were, if i could be part of any nasa program. >> wait a minute, donny dodged. what is on your bucket list? >> okay. i would love to play in a tennis match in arthur ashe stadium against a great tennis player. >> but who? >> that's cool. >> you had all night tongue about this? you are lame. >> i didn't think about that. >> that's lame. >> pretty lame. >> mine too. >> okay. your life must be so full there is nothing left to put in the bucket. >> okay. >> okay. the architect of world peace. >> all right. star jones, donny deutsch, dr. nancy, thank you. still ahead, the secret to

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negotiating bed time and play time. we do it all the time. really being a better negotiator will help you get that better deal every time without compromising too much. >> there are five styles you talk about. there is competitive, accommodating, collaborating, avoiding, and compromising. why is it good to know what kind of negotiator you are? >> yes. like anything you're sort of predisposed to fall into a certain category and once you know where you lay in that five bargaining styles you can sort of leverage your strengths and minimize or maybe even improve on your weaknesses. >> some people negotiate and let emotions get involved. how do you take emotion out of the negotiation? >> it is really hard especially when the stakes are high or you're negotiating with friends or family. that's why people hire divorce attorneys because they can keep their eye on the prize without getting emotionally involved. so what you really want to do is prepare ahead of time. literally write down your goals on a piece of paper so you don't lose sight of it. maybe even more important, al, you want to consider the other side's possible reaction so

you're prepared emotionally. you know how you'll feel when the question comes back at you. >> who are better negotiators, men or women? >> it actually depends. women are much more in tune with the other party so for a relationship at stake women can be better but men can be a bit more aggressive so sometimes that helps them. it's so situation dependent. >> we see right now the nba lockout. i mean, what's going on? they are supposedly in a room. i say they get them out of these hotels. put them someplace uncomfortable and make them negotiate until they come out with something. >> exactly. sometimes that atmosphere can have a lot to do with it. think about how high the stakes are. it is a very public battle. i would say most of these folks lie in that competitive bargaining style so it is hard to find that middle ground. i would say the egos are probably pretty high, too. there's a ton of people involved. there are two sides. each side has lawyers and agents and consultants and player representatives and team representatives. there's just a lot going on there. it's going to take a while. >> in any negotiation how

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appearance and help with the dark circles and stuff like that at night the night before in order to make the wakeup a little less shall we say harsh. >> should have done that last night. >> i see you two come in without makeup. it's not so bad. trust me. >> thanks. >> scary animals. in the meantime, let's go >> thank you. >> you have a phobia of seeing us without makeup. >> scary animals. in the meantime, let's go to weather. we will do a little leaf peeking this weekend. still, plenty of color out along the west coast and in the northeast and new england and on into the plains. that's what's going on around the country, and here's what's going on in your neck of the woods. >> we have some nice color to get to show up here around washington. the peak here will be around halloween. and with the bright sun, it's making it feel quite chilly.

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hershey's chocolate syrup. stir up a smile. we've all heard of a fear of snakes but what about butterflies or even puppies? on the new animal planet series "my extreme animal phobias" this psychologist works with people to overcome their fear of animals and pets using exposure therapy. robin is here with katy who

overcame a spider phobia and jackie who overcame her fear of butterflies. good morning. >> katy, i think a lot of us are afraid of spiders but you actually had to go to a spider exhibit and feed it a cricket. a lot of us can relate to that fear but for you it is a phobia. how did that start? >> there is no specific time where i was initially scared of spiders. i've always been terrified. but i'm at the point where i cannot be in the same room with them and so i -- >> what did you think they would do to you? >> i had no idea. i just thought i'd be in a room filled with spiders and i'd die. >> you thought the spiders would kill you. >> i did. >> jackie, for you, butterflies, beautiful creeutte fly creature. where did the fear come from? >> a butterfly flew on my shirt when i was a little girl and i thought it was a big huge wasp and since then i've been terrified but dr. z saved my life. >> this is really about the idea of exposure therapy. what was it that you -- how does

this work in terms of getting them to relate and be able to do things they weren't able to do before? this is really about being able to allow them to go out in their environment once again, right? >> right. everybody who has participated in this project was so terrified that their lives were really becoming limited. i mean, in katy's case if she walked into a room and saw a spider she would have to run out, call someone before she could go back in the room. and certainly with jackie her life was limited because butterflies are unpredictable. you never know when they're going to come up. what we do is have them face and confront their fear by doing exposure to it. what happens is through what we call a systematic desensitization the brain begins to see the feared animal differently to where it overcomes the anxiety and they are no longer afraid. >> you had five days to work with them. five days. in fact, i want to show you the progress that katy has made. >> are you sure you can do this? you've done a couple other things. you've been able to sleep next

to a room with spiders. >> i actually have a pet tarantula. her name is rosie. >> oh, gosh. >> this looks just like rosie. >> i may run out of the studio. oh, yeah. you're safe. >> far away from that. >> and they hang upside down. >> how are you able to do that? what was it that finally got you to realize that it's not going to kill you as i'm sitting here thinking it may do that to me? >> exposure therapy and learning more about spiders and that they are very harmless especially this kind and knowing i'm bigger than the spider and more powerful. mind over matter. it is scary. they're daunting but, you know. >> jackie, for you with the butterflies you were able to go to a biosphere and slept there with the butterflies and now you say you actually just recently had another experience with butterflies. what is it, as i see you wearing your bling. >> i had to become more comfortable with these ugly,

ugly butterfly necklaces and bracelets. i've bought a lot of butterfly stuff actually. but it's much better. i don't love them. i do not embrace them at all but i do feel like i can live with them. i can be around them and it's okay. they're just a part of nature. it's life. >> and, doctor, i guess the bigger question is, again, this is about allowing them to then not have that fear of going outside and knowing that they can encounter anything in life, right? >> that's correct. and you see that she's holding a tarantula and it's very extreme. but the reason why we go to that level is because anything underneath it is going to be so much easier. >> right. >> so if she walks into a room and sees a daddy long legs she can handle that no problem. we take them as far as we go and in this case you can see katy has overcome her feared animal. >> it's working for you. >> sorry, sorry. >> i think i need the exposure.

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getting oily. you put this on before bed and it will absorb any toil that your scalp emits while you sleep. the great thing is by the time you wake up there will be no chalky residue. >> okay. if you have curly hair and you want to keep the curls in good shape what do you recommend? >> people who have curly hair have the opposite problem. they are worried about big hair that's frizzy. so just coat the curls with gel to the point where it almost feels crunchy and then by the time you wake up it has the perfect texture. >> it won't feel like that crunchy gel feel? >> no. it softens overnight. if your hair is dry what you want to do is pile it on top of your head and use a piece of panty hose is actually the best way to do it because it won't break the hair. >> this is for hair that's, that gets frizzy. >> exactly. you want to preserve volume at the roots so this will give you a little lift. >> is it really a pony tail like you pull back? >> a tony tail on top of your head and this prevents you from breaking your hair because it is very soft fabric. >> okay. let's move on to skin care. you say we should wash our faces twice at night? >> this is especially true for people who wear a lot of makeup because we've all had the

experience of washing our face. >> who are those people? >> and you wake up with raccoon eyes. >> yeah. >> what you want to do is start with a creamy or oil-based cleanser and then finish with a gel cleanser. this will remove any kind of residue and you'll wake up totally clean. >> you have these products here. but just looking for creamy and then the gel cleanser to finish off. >> exactly. >> then the undereye cream. we all got bags under the eyes when we wake up. what do you recommend? >> this is the bane of everyone's existence. what you want to do is look for an eye cream with caffeine because it will constrict the blood vessels and also push the fluid out of your eyes. >> it won't keep you up at night? >> no. i don't think you're absorbing quite enough to keep you up but it will help your eyes. >> do most of the packages say caffeine right on the label? >> if you look on the ingredients it will say caffeine. >> let's move on to our next thing which is eliminating last-minute pimple. you find one at night. you can counteract it with the right steps? >> this is one of my favorite steps like a gorilla version of

the cortizone shot. you take hydro cortizone. slather it on. don't be stingy. put a band-aid on top of it and it creates a barrier which drives the product deeper into your skin and prevents it from coming off. >> don't you end up with band-aid marks on your face? >> nope. especially not if you use one of the more gentle band-aids and also the hydro cortizone is reducing inflammation so any kind of of that will be gone. you want a big glob. >> we all know the skin gets real dry overnight and you have an idea about a steamer. >> right. well actually what is cool about this is it's something you want to do as you go into winter months. your skin is going to get really dry. create a steam room out of your bathroom by closing the door. wait until your skin gets nice and dewey and then apply a ser umbrella or gel that contains hyleronic acid. >> this is something you do in your bathroom. >> you sleep with it because you apply that and it holds up to a thousand times its weight in

water so it will grab onto the moisture. you go to sleep and if you have a humidifier it's even better because the hyleronic acid you've put on your skin will continue to draw moisture all night as you sleep into your skin. >> you can get this anywhere? >> right. what you want to look for is again the hyleronic acid. get it at the drug store. >> you have my favorite tip last which is wake up more gently. that alarm that blares in your ear is not pleasant. >> we've all had the experience of being rudely awakened. like your fight or flight response. so you really want to greet the morning in a more gradual, gentle way. this great alarm clock basically tricks your body into thinking that it's day time. and, you know, during the day your body produces seratonin which is a neuro transmitter that makes you feel happier and more relaxed. this is a better way to enter the day. feeling in a good mood and nice and alert. >> you're basically thinking

sunrise. still ahead we'll head totem he recalled city and check in with hoda and kathie lee broadcasting live from seattle today. there are the drinks too. this is "today" on nbc.

it's been so quiet around the studio this morning. >> you think? why is that? >> well maybe because kathie lee and hoda have packed up their program and headed west. >> they're in seattle, washington where the coffee flows like wine. they have not traded in their wine glasses for coffee mugs. they're still drinking wine. hi guys. what do you have coming up? >> my gosh. we have no idea. we're just so happy to be here in seattle with this amazing group of people. >> look at this wide shot. it rivals the plaza. we packed it early morning by the way. folks were out here early. >> you know what i smell? >> what? >> ode of salmon.

everybody here is wearing it and it's a lovely smell. >> don't say hoda. >> hoda salmon. >> very nice. >> fish have been flying all morning. i tell you. >> i know kathie lee your play is opening there this weekend right? good luck with that honey. >> actually tonight, nat. >> how cool. all the best. >> i'm excited. thanks so much, you guys. love you and miss you. see you next week. >> all right. kathie lee and hoda coming up. >> doing the show just for the halibut. >> oh, gosh. >> arf, arf. >> sorry. >> that's your second joke today. okay. [ mom ] hey guys.

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day. >> yeah, temperatures in the mid-and upper 50s, and we should climb into the 60s with winds gusting around 40 miles per hour. chilly weather for friday, saturday and sunday. milder next week, and might get showers midweek next week on wednesday, and highs then in the 60s. now, danella, how is late-morning traffic. >> traveling in southeast, and it's across the susa bridge. now, taking the woodrow wilson bridge, and also as you make your way to the american legion bridge, no accidents or major bridge, no accidents or major delays at this time.

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>> that's a wake-up call. >> wow! >> the fish are flying in seattle. >> okay! >> the fish market is obviously behind us. there is a reason behind their madness and we'll reveal that later. >> hi, everybody. [ applause ] >> look at our crowd. we have a killer crowd. i've got to tell you, they were out here, what time were they out? >> we came in around 4:00. >> and people were here. >> you guys are all coming out to visit us and say hi. >> you've been getting a little bit of a tour of seattle. >> wait a minute. on what it in, we had a huge tragedy. we don't want to talk about it. >> we ran out of wine on the

airline. we're not going to mention any names delta. >> but we have definitely been making up for it here. >> and we are drinking washington state wine, people! >> we just want to give you a little overview of what's going on in seattle. just so you know where we are, seattle is about 2,400 miles from new york city as the crow flies south of the u.s./canadian border. you can drive to vancouver in about 2 1/2 hours. >> i love to do that. >> the city surrounded by water. the puget sound to the west and lake washington to the east. it's the largest city in the state. this amazes me 608,000 residents. you would think it would be more. that's why it's so cozy. or they like to call themselves seattlites. >> it was known as the queen

city and as a result of a contest it was renamed the emerald city. because of its lush evergreen forest. >> it's gorgeous here. it's a big city with a smalltown feel. i love the cobblestone streets, i love the yodel salmon. >> do not break the rules. >> if you jaywalk -- first of all, there could be no traffic coming. >> nothing. >> you're not allowed to cross the street until you get the "walk" sign and people will call you on it around here. >> they are polite about it, but they are not polite when you do it. i've been on this mad schedule. so forgive me, but i was stunned by it. i couldn't believe there were still people in the world that follow the rules. that obey the law. there is a concept. >> it is crazy. you think about seattle being a place where it always rains. thankfully, since we've been here, it hasn't rained in the last couple of months. >> it says here the average

yearly rainfall here is 36.2 inches. in new york it's 40.3 inches. we get more rain per year in new york than in seattle. >> you just get it more regularly. yes. >> i guess bobbie thomas, our girl, has been tooling around the market. you guys love bobbie thomas? [ applause ] >> what did you find? >> hello, sweetheart. >> you look so cute this early in the day, but what the heck. >> i love to go shopping when i visit new cities. seattle is awesome. behind us is the pike's place market. i found things for everyone. i'm going to move your donut. can you see these sliders? these remind me of you and hoda getting your dance on. can you see these? >> she goes through my wine, i'm going to knock her off the table.

>> there is a company called the great wind-up. they have vintage classic toys with fun stuff like this. there are beautiful local crafts. local artisans are what you should look for when you're traveling. amazing artisans. silk scarves. there are sculptures made out of volcanic ash from mount helen. >> they are five stories down below. >> huge. with the web, everybody can shop there you can check out what we saw online at their website. >> very cool. >> awesome. >> this is a fun place to walk around this market. it has fresh fruit, fresh flowers. these are some of the flowers. >> is this your state, the dalia? >> i think it is. >> thank you, sweetie. all i know is i got into my hotel room the other night and there were beautiful flowers waiting for me. it says, "dear kathie lee, so looking forward to "saving aimee

" love jay. . >> my jay. >> and frank is on the way. >> the real reason we are here is because kath has been working on this play -- >> too long. >> but opening night is tonight. should we just sing for people understand what it is. ♪ hooray for hollywood ♪ da, da, da, da hollywood ♪ from shirley temple to aimee semple." our amazing leading lady carolee carmello will be here at the end of the show to sing a great number, because i wrote it with david. a song called she sings as a 17-year-old at the beginning of the play.

wait till you hear this woman's pipes. you cannot believe her. i'm so excited she agreed to get this up early in the morning and sing for us. that's worth getting up for. >> we got to see it last night. our entire "today" show crew went to watch the play. it is terrific. there is something about this play that is unique. when you want -- this is a huge theater we saw it in. >> fifth avenue. >> it's bigger than any broadway theater we've been to. this place is tremendous. >> and poor sonny, our matinee sunny was in the balcony in the back. sunny, i don't know why that happened. i get rob's and yours got mixed up because that's where i asked rob to be. >> we got it. >> we've got hoda for president out here. i agree, 2012 is your year, hoda woman. i like the one, "my husband is the fish monger." which one?

>> we have some occupy wall streets here. we brought everybody. we brought everyone together. >> this is america, people. >> you know what else brings people together? >> wine! >> that and a good song. and it is thursday. >> oh, crud. >> every thursday i get to pick a favorite song that kathie lee hates. so this time i have picked a surprise song. i want you guys to listen. if you feel it, it's an old school, a little funk, but i think it might get the juices flowing. >> let's see if it does. let's hit it. ♪ ♪ woo gave you my money ♪ i gave you my time ♪ why you wanna hurt me girl ♪ are you serious ♪ i'm just curious

♪ why you wanna hurt me girl ♪ just because you're not for real ♪ why you wanna hurt me girl ♪ not for real ♪ why you wanna hurt me girl ♪ never ever had a lover ♪ who put me over and burn rubber ♪ oh no >> hoda, hoda, hoda -- >> okay, if this music is not your speed and it may not be. it stung. >> hoda, hoda, hoda, hoda -- >> i hear something. >> maybe this will help. ♪ dalia dalia >> guess who's here?

delilah is here. >> i know you think you got it going on on thursdays with ihoda and the song but honey, music is my department. i've been doing this a lot longer than you. today is a special day. i understand that about a year ago some young lady showed up with a list, the top ten reasons that hoda should date their father. >> true story. >> true story. >> and you listened. you read the list. you said, okay, i'll take a chance on love. you turned into "the delila show." you heard me doing savvy love songs, some dedications. can you see i brought my kids? not all of them, but some of them, guys. this is seven or eight of my dozen. so i decided to come this morning. first off, because i can't wait to see "saving aimee" again tonight. kathie, it's amazing.

>> thank you. you're so sweet. she surprised me a couple of weeks ago and game which meant a lot to me. >> just beautiful. not what we relate to dynamic, tenacious kind of wild, fun women or anything like that. >> nothing like that, no. >> not that you put your heart or soul into that for any reason in particular. back to hoda and dedication. >> excellent! i can't wait! >> somebody here got an anniversary bouquet from your husband. >> it was the sweetest thing. >> 25. >> 25 years? >> 25 years. one year dating for her. >> this is big for hoda. >> i'm ready. i can't take it. what is it? >> every day i tell people on the air, love someone tonight. we are going to modify that to love someone this morning. >> some people love a few, you know? >> come on, what is it? >> she's got a six-hour show on

the air tonight. >> we went through our archives. here is our song for you. it's called "destiny." >> bring it. >> for you. ♪ what if i never found a love ♪ i never had this feeling in my heart ♪ >> everybody hold hands. >> kumbaya all the way home. >> guys, we have a big show coming up. we are going to take you on a little tour of seattle. >> we are. i don't know what else is coming. >> i tell you what -- >> bobbie thomas, and we've got carolee carmello from "saving aimee." we'll be right back after this. tonight we're setting the table with something new. come in for olive garden's new stuffed rigatonis, hearty pasta stuffed with a

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>> there is no better way to see mount rannier or the seattle skyline than from the air. >> no, no, no, it's high. >> it's very high. >> isn't that beautiful? >> i have a height issue. >> how can you be so tool and be afraid of heights? >> hello, ron. >> we are about 520 feet right now. space needle will move one inch for every 10 miles per hour. >> what's it doing right now? >> probably about a 20 mile-an-hour wind. we are moving a couple of inches. >> tell us about it. >> when we were filming "the world's fair" we'll bring out a world famous dessert we had back in 1952. >> i'm feeling it. ♪ he ain't nothing but a hound dog ♪ crying all the time >> thank you, thank you very

much. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. >> this is our lunar orbiter. >> where's the spoon? >> isn't that delicious? >> there is bourbon in there. >> i feel it. i feel beatles stuff. >> was it 1964 all this happened? >> yep. it became so famous with them fishing out the window. we'll have you guys do it. don't do it, kathie. >> don't think about moving. >> how did four of them get in here? it's a tight fit for two gals. >> did you catch something? >> no, but it feels like it. ♪ we all live in a yellow submarine ♪ >> how long did they wait? >> you know the first starbucks did start here. >> i heard a rumor they are not serving brews here but they're

serving wine. >> wine? >> wine. >> we heard you're not serving coffee, but you're serving something we would like. >> does that rumor have something to do with chardonnay? >> yeah. we'll take two. >> how come you don't ask us for our i.d.? >> isn't that a nice wine? >> we're drinking wine at starbucks. >> i think you know all the best places. >> i do. >> we are at the fifth avenue theater. there's aimee semple mcforsun. >> that is freaking me out. >> ta-da! >> so nice to meet you. how are you? >> we'll give you guys an hour or two to get acquainted. >> most talented woman i ever met in my life.

>> looks at the music there, it's by kathie lee gifford. >> imagine i wrote this dirty irish drinking song. ♪ she told me she came from the county of cork ♪ >> hey! >> what are you guys doing drinking? stop it! >> to "saving aimee" god bless you guys! >> break a leg, cast! >> love our guys. thank you, vivian for the great piece. when we come back, the fish will fly but just for the hal but. >> i don't like standing here. >> look at him! ibut. >> i don't like standing here. >> look at him! um. that's good. you've always loved the taste of classic campbell's soups.

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>> lots of practice. >> why are they even doing it? why are they throwing fish across counters and things? what what's the point? >> logistics is number one. easier to get it from point a to point b by chucking it. >> it's faster. and it's efficient. >> and now we are known as the guys who throw the fish. >> it makes the day fly by. it does. >> is it -- okay. it's an art. there is something to it. >> i don't know if i trust you. >> watch out for her hair. >> what is happening? you know when you don't know what's going on around you? give us the technique. don't give us that big one. >> give us a big one. if you're going to do it, do it. >> check it out. you want the big one? >> give us something bigger. >> the big one is 500 bucks. we'll start here. bend the knees. back straight. bounce with me. bounce with me. get loose.

give me a target like this. put your hands like that. >> like frank gifford. >> fish coming in like that. bam. hold on. use your thumbs. plant your feet again. >> why? >> trust me. throw. >> ready? come on. >> right back here. >> it's time for the real one now. >> come on, throw it. sorry. >> right here. all right, we are going to be right back, you guys. >> look out! >> did it get on my dress? >> is that baby okay? >> we'll be back. we have music.

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♪ if i can't take my coffee break ♪ >> thin the fourth hour of "tod" we are glad to be here. seattle is home of some of the great names in the coffee world. >> we invited three of the top coffee shops around. that is starbucks, cafe vida and tully's. each one is going to make a delicious drink for us. rob and bobbie are going to be our tester.

>> rob only drinks tea. anyway -- what are you going to make for us first, mikey? >> i love you, mikey. >> i love you. this is caramel mocha, one of our featured fall drinks. >> how do you make it? >> we've got 87,000 different drink options we can do for you. we can do nonfat soy milk, whipped cream, no whipped cream, topping, extra topping. >> i want it with the stuff in it. >> with stuff in it? done. >> what's happening here? >> we take the best beans in the world, put that in your coffee. >> show us what you've got. >> get involved. >> we're involved. >> see what i do? >> now you're making it interesting. >> hoda, come on. >> i'm sorry.

>> good luck. >> that's beautiful. >> we've got to move it on. you guys try that. >> don't tell us yet. >> now we are going on to andy from cafe vida. what are you making for us? >> it's beautiful. >> it's all about simplicity. i'm making a beautiful latte highlighted with espresso. >> that is so pretty. this wins the fashion award. >> bobbie looks your fashion. >> is that hard to do? >> each cup is a work of art, isn't it? >> it is. >> you take great pride if in what you do. >> yes, i do. >> i have some sweet dance moves. >> all right. while we move on. we move on to rebecca at

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>> here's the good news, you know they know how to dress for the rain here. >> we have an expert with us. she is a national stylist at nordstrom. it was founded 110 years ago in this city. >> yes. right here downtown as a shoe store. >> i didn't know that. >> interesting. that's why you have a policy return the shoes if you wear them out. >> yes. >> this is one of those cities where it rains a little a lot. >> rain? what rain? hello? >> not raining right now. >> in case it did, what should we do? >> i think you want to invest in a lot of great styles in coats. we'll show you wonderful coats. we could have picked 100 styles, but narrowed it down to four each retailing under $200. >> leah is our first model. she is a model, too, with an updated trench. >> you can never go wrong with a great trench coat.

this is calvin klein, water resistant trench. when you invest in a trench coat, you'll have it in your closet forever. this is an updated trench with the leopard print. i love her boots. >> those boots are serious. >> they retail for $225. sexy boot, high heel, lace-up. >> diane is showing off an all-season jacket. it's cozy. >> the parka is not about just wearing for casual. you can really make the parka sexy and fun. that whole city chic look. this is by betsy johnson. retails $138. it's a great coat. she has a wonderful sam edelson boot and retails for $89.95. >> liz is our next model. three daughters, six grandchildren.

>> bring it, liz. >> you look fantastic. >> christian blake jacket. retails $178. this is from nordstrom available in stores and online. this one is a sweater weight down. it's light like a sweater, but it's really warm like a down. you can pack it. >> is it waterproof? >> it's water resistant. >> does this come in other colors? >> black. >> gorgeous. >> serious boots. >> the quilted style top of the boot adds details. don't feel like you have to wear a black, boring rain boot. add your personality to your rain boot. this is by top cider. >> darling. i love the affordability of all of them. thank you so much. >> lastly, we've got haley. she is planning a wedding. >> congratulations. >> haley is in the hottest trend of the season, the cape. >> really? >> all over the runways this year.

this cape is by eci. retails for $88. >> stop it. >> yes. here is a style tip when wearing a cape. any time you wear volume up top, keep it slim at the bottom. she has this slim skirt, dark tights and great bp oxford heel. >> bring everybody else. thank you all very, very much. thank you. all available at nordstrom. >> sara is going to scout out various locations. art shopper

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take a peek. >> those gray skies, that light drizzle and the world's most recognizable needle in the sky. you might remember the iconic seattle skyline as the back drop of countless famous films and television scenes. i decided to take a close-up look myself. i am standing at the very tiptop of the space needle, seattle's most iconic landmark. one great example is "austin powers ii" where it served as the headquarters for dr. evil. and the most recognizable, a love story with a title that says it all. >> i want you to know your son called. he asked me for some advice how you might find a new wife. >> but don't be fooled by the magic of hollywood. when we see the space needle -- >> you'll see the space needle at the beginning of the movie,

establishing the shot. 99% of the rest of the movie was shot in vancouver, bc. don't buy it. don't believe it. >> another example of a faux seattle back drop, the show that has female viewers begging for resuscitation, someone call a doctor. some scenes were only staged in seattle, others were actually filmed here. we are in the monorail. this is a best destination for movies and television. >> golly! >> when elvis presley came for the film "it happened at the world's fair" they shot around the space needle and the monorail. and sylvester stallone stops the monorail and jumps out into a nearby building. cameron crowe made two wonderful films. >> you kids are all going to be deaf. >> "singles" and "say anything." >> the theme with the trench

coat and the boom box, that is a deal sealer. put a ring on it. >> i'm standing here in front of the falls which you may remember from "twin peaks." so while here, i decided to try my hand at acting or reenacting. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. this is -- excuse me, one damn fine cup of coffee. now i'm at stadium high school in takoma, washington, where they shot from one of my personal favs, "10 things i hate about you." we'll take a swing at "sara made it." ♪ you're just too good to be true ♪ can't take my eyes off of you ♪ you'd be like heaven to touch

♪ i want to hold you so much ♪ at long last love has arrived ♪ can't take my eyes of you >> thank you, sara. >> coming up, we have a beautiful performance from carolee carmello. you're not going to want to miss this. >> and we thank morrison boomer. they are known as buckers, three performers, yet really, really popular here on the streets of seattle.

♪ the main reason we are here today is a specific reason.

there is a terrific show playing here called "saving aimee" that kathie lee wrote. >> what? you wrote a show? >> look who is with us. carolee carmello has been with the show how many years, sweetie? >> probably about six or seven now. yeah. we try not to admit how old we are. >> we got to see it last night. car carolee, when you see her, you're like a drop-jaw singer. >> it's loud. >> you get to play her from age -- >> la, la, la. >> a teenager up until the day she dies. you play all those roles because you've got it are, girl. >> thank you. >> it really is a tour de force. >> it's so exciting you guys came all the way out here to be here for opening night. >> we are going to bless our baby tonight. carolee is going to sing, what

song? >> "why can't i?" which is aimee's version of -- >> what i want. >> yeah. >> carolee from "saving aimee." ♪ why must i live under such inane authority ♪ why they don't even understand the simplest history ♪ ♪ she spouts the holy scripture ♪ ♪ as if it were sacred truth ♪ why must this be the way i have to waste my youth ♪ ♪ life was made for dancing ♪ under a moonlit starry sky ♪ if other girls go dancing ♪ then dammit why can't i ♪ why must i be living ♪ened her narrow minded roof ♪ if there really is a god

♪ why can't they show me proof ♪ why am i the fated daughter of such pompous piety ♪ ♪ why must i be forced to swallow such religiosity ♪ why is life made for dreaming and you can touch the sky ♪ so dammit why can't i ♪ why can't i become a brilliant actress on the stage ♪ ♪ the only acting i'm allowed is when i'm told to act my age ♪ ♪ life is for exploring ♪ soaring through a cloud-lit sky ♪ so tell me why can't i ♪ this is such a changing world ♪ ♪ and an ever rearranging world ♪ i must make it mine

♪ by my own design ♪ life was made for thinking ♪ and i think therefore i am ♪ i don't think i want to be her sacrificial lamb ♪ so let her build an altar like abraham of old ♪ don't put me on the funeral pyre ♪ there is so much more than i desire ♪ i've got a different kind of fire ♪ i won't be bought and sold ♪ i will not be controlled ♪ life was made for dancing ♪ under a moonlit starry sky ♪ if other girls go dancing ♪ then someone tell me why can't i ♪

[ applause ] >> who's better than you? >> you guys, come back tomorrow. we've got opening night tonight for kathie lee and carolee. tomorrow morning we'll be back here on the plaza. tune in. >> thanks, everybody. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com