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detail. >> a unique detail is reupholster in furniture. many times it is less expensive and gives you a one-of-a-kind look. >> l.a. designers, behind-the- scenes on "parenthood." >> this reflects the heart of the family and also the place where we want to get it as authentic as possible, providing the actors the tools they need to do a great performance. >> sharing secrets to confuse glamour into aerospace while keeping it comfortable. we toured the state with gardens so beautiful there were archived in the smithsonian. welcome to "open house." whether you're buying, selling, redesigning or just dreaming, we have you covered. i am coming to from the upper west side neighborhood. this was recently renovated with

every modern luxury and convenience. it is on an adorable tree-lined street just a hop and skip from the river. and tips of the trade, we teamed up with an interior designer in chicago. he takes us inside a unit he designed for his client who wanted to go completely glam. he shows us how he achieved this look with his fine eye for detail. >> i am in chicago. we are at a recently completed project or the client wanted the home to feel unique and like a treasure box. we to detail and design and over the top. everything has a custom touch. the best way to have balance is to use color and texture. this over sized sofa is on an orange rug.

we used custom pillows. this is a fine detail. the rest of the seating consists of a laser cut ottoman and his cool traditional chair. it adds a little bit of rock- and-roll. this tv wall was craving something amazing. we found the school product. it is usually hunt and organic fashion. we decided to install it to mimic the custom upholstered headboard in the master bedroom. it takes your space up a notch. oi like to upholstered the back of the dining chair and a contrasting fabric. every home has an awkward look. -- officenook.

recovered all the walls in this shimmer wallcovering. to expand the space, an amazing accent wall. we did a really cool collection of white powdery. no more boring ceiling fixtures. every developer puts i the fleshment fixtures. we replaced it with this amazing mercury metal fixture. not only does it give an amazing glow, but something great to look at when you are in bed. bt tell, real posting -- a unique detail, reupholster in furniture. we had this worn chair and covered it in punchy magenta fabric. the greatest tip i can divulge is finding something you are passionate about. the client wanted a really unique accessory. we found antique turtle shells.

vintage metal sculptures. these elements into that representing who she is and what she is passionate about. this is something anyone can do. it can be a vintage piece or consignment find. it will give a different spin in your home. thank you for letting me show you around. i hope you can use some of these ideas in your own home. >> good work. i am in love with those golden eggs. here's a sneak peek at what is coming up on "open house." >> this clause it is what every woman wants. -- this clause it is what every woman wants. this is like an exotic car showroom. >> very often, i tell clients they should select colors that make you a great and feel good

in your own room. otherwise, why bother? >> people come all over the country to tour our gardens. >> when designing a home to accommodate a film crew, sometimes the architecture gets in the way so you have >> welcom"

we could to upper new york for the exclusive tour of this home. this impressive the state has seven bedrooms and a master closet with over 1000 square feet. wait until you see the garage. take a look. >> welcome to bel air court. today, we're at this incredible 15,000-square-foot georgian colonial.

starting with the injury, we have an amazing double bridal staircase. my client was married here. the groom came down the left side and the bride can down the right side. the attention to detail in this house is ridiculous. as to enter the kitchen, it is all about bling. you have this exotic, a rare grin at the comes from greece. now we go to this great room. this room alone is 2000 square feet. we have the bar, we have a media center. 20-foot ceilings. hand-painted mural of the french countryside. it is unbelievable.

this bedroom is elegant and tranquil. from the sconces to this amazing chandelier, the medallion and this double sided gas fireplace which leads into the master bath. a little hidden gem. i will show you what it is all about. this clause it is what everyone wants. i cannot blame them. it is like a cross between neiman-marcus and the chanel boique. this carriage house is not just a garage, it is more like an exotic car showroom. it holds 15 cars. black absolute granite choicflo. ferrari, rolls-royce, he has at all. when you step outside to these five manicured acres, you have

hundreds of specimen trees. this place takes your breath away. 50-footer pool with roman ends fountains, and unbelievable pool house. if my wife ever throws me it out of the house, i am coming here. i had a great time showing you this incredible home, but it is getting late and i have got to get to my next appointment. >> that closet is bigger than most new york city apartments. coming up, the set decorators of "parent.">> welcome back to "

we meet up with a designer in her beautiful dallas digs. she believes your space can be lux without sacrificing comfort. >> i am gen showers, an interior designer located in dallas, texas. i am known for a glamorous yet us that it looked. i want to show you how i achieved that in my own home. i developed my design esthetic when i discovered the clamor of

french 40's furniture and how well it mixed with 18th-century as well as modern furnishings. in entry hall should always introduce the rest of the house. i used warms of relief to the paper in the hall because it creates an intimate feeling. i mixed to other elements in iran and that is the 18th- century italian shares mixed with this midcentury french peace. -- i mixed other elementss in te room and that is the 18th century and a tie and chairs mixed with the mid century french piece. the living room was a challenge. the way i saw the height problem, put a chandelier at ceiling height and a beautiful white cow high rug on the floor to make it more warm and cozy and close the room in. the original mantle in the house was way too small and was dark green, very heavy, wrong

proportion. i found this wonderful 18th century limestone mantle that was the perfect scale. i challenge was, what to keep it from looking to traditional. i third at it nears. a one of the house to have a soothing colors to out. this room was inspired by the beautiful waters, when my very favorite places in the world. at a passion for glass. this particular collection is one of my very favorite. glass is a wonderful design element that adds sparkle and freshness that no other element can. this room is a very unusual color. i picked the color because i think is a color that is complementary to my skin tone and to my hair and eyes. i tell clients to select colors

that make you a great and feel good in your own rooms. otherwise, why bother? thank you for joining me today. i hope you'll enjoy every room in your house. remember, it never hurts to add a touch of glamour. >> still ahead, we visit a $6 million award winning restoration in chicago. behind-the-scenes look at the colorful set of nbc's hit show "parenthood." >> "open house" is brought to in part by coldwell banker real estate. coldwell banker, w>> welcome ba"

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beautiful renovation. this 8000 square foot estate features meticulous interiors and spectacular gardens that have received numerous accolades. we will show you why. >> we are going to take you on a tour of the house here in lake forest. >> our house is 102 years old. >> we have lived here for 37 years. meticulously restoring its house to the original condition. >> we first walked into our home 37 years ago and fell instantly in love with it. some of the features were the ceilings and the balustrade bring up the stairs which matches the fireplace and living room. we love the one-dimensional part of the house. we can look out the front, we

can look out the back. this room is our favorite and everybody loves it the most. it is called the morning room. i think what makes it our favorite is the plaster work and the ceiling is outstanding, and the brightness. the sun comes up on this side. we spent all summer in this room. it leads into the garden. this is the formal porch which we use for entertaining. >> we love coming out in the morning to have breakfast and have many dinners out here. >> i love the balustrade. >> one feature that sets this apart from any other home on the north shore is the historic gardens. >> people from all of the country come here to tour our garden. >> when we first purchased the home, the gardens were and

complete his repair. >> we were trying to recreate what howard shaw retreated and it took us five years. -- have created and it took us five years. >> thank you for joining us for the tour. >> it is an inspiration of paradise. >> that landscaping was amazing. coming up after the break -- >> the chairs do not match, the place settings do not match.

>> welcome back to "open house." let's go behind the scenes of nbc's hit drama "parenthood." the set decorators' show us how they created the prevent interior for not so perfect family. -- perfect interior for the not so perfect family. >> we are here at universal studios hollywood on the set of "parenthood." >> we want to show a great

designs we created for the braverman family. >> this is the center of the family. it is where they raised their children. it is a craftsman style home rich in detail and equally rich in history, family, and comfort. we create layers for the lived in look. there concerts' in the 1960's, the furniture has a broken and feel. we even take the arms and break it down with sandpaper to give it the real patina. sometimes the architecture gets in the wake of the film crew. you have to make things rather mobile. >> a great way to continue the layering of fact is to use the bookshelves better built-in. instead of just using books, i

have included family mementos, souvenirs' from their travels, and artwork. lighting is a great way to bring dramatic accentuations. in the diary room, i wanted to casual environment and did that by mixing and matching different elements. the chairs do not match, place settings do not match. it is more important the family is together they create a perfect environment. >> this reflects the heartbeat of the family. this is where the get together start, or the cooking takes place, where the fighting happens, with the bickering goes on. from time to time, we cooked meals here. there's a place camille pays bills. it is also the place where we want to get it as authentic as possible. we added scorch marks, scratch marks, we added the teen and

even have junk drawers. it provides the actors the tools they need for a first-rate performance. the eldest son lives here with his wife and family. it is an updated version of a craftsman home with a much more useful field. i created an open floor plan. there's a work space for the family. a viewing space for looking at the television. the dining room is there. the kitchen is the centerpiece of the family home here. >> i used a lot of room and chased around the home. it dresses up the windows. with a mix match layered look in camille's home, this is a little more cleaner and pulled together. things are little more organized and match. >> this is the midcentury modern

home which visually is perhaps the biggest of all the homes on "parenthood." in a high-powered attorney, has the means to live in this style. monochromatic pattern. using three shades of gray, one for the ceiling, another on a wall, and this is the third. the light reacts differently on the surfaces and a separate quite nicely. we have affordable reproductions in the table. barcelona chairs and even a jacobsen chair for the five-year old daughter. we picked up these midcentury modern pieces here in los angeles. >> we are big fans of lighting. a unique way to bring interesting shapes and sizes to the environment. i chose these because of the around the edges, softening the look we have going here.

of the dining room, the light was chosen because of the fabric material announcement the window treatments behind it. it creates a nice, soft look during family dinners. the kitchen is very open and modern with many stainless fixtures. i did create a play kitchen for the daughter to spend some time in. >> thank you for joining us on ". ." >> we hope we have inspired you to create the perfect environment in your own home. >> that is all for this week's episode of "open house." properties and designs. if you missed something on today's show, go to openhousetv.com you can join our facebook family or follow us on twitter. thank you for stopping in. i am sara gore and i will see you next week on "open house." i am sara gore and i will see you next week on "open house."

this sunday, can herman cain's campaign survive? >> excuse me! excuse me! >> new details emerge about sexual harassment charges against him,hen he headed a washington lobby group.

new struggles this week to get his side of the story straight. >> i am unaware of any sort of settlement. that was some sort of settlement. >> more of the impact on his campaign, and the rest of the gop field. plus, the president's record. the new jobs report sws the economy is still sluggish. is this another blow to his re-election effort? with us, two influential voices in their parties, republican governor of mississippi, haley barbour, and former democratic governor of new mexico and 2008 presidential candidate, bl richardson. then our meet the candidates series continues this mornig, with former utah governor and u.s. ambassador to china und president obama, jon huntsman. can a more moderate republican win the nomination in this political climate? finally, it's our political roundtable. unanswered question where does the cain story go from here? is there a parallel to the clarence thomas saga as some

conservatives allege? plus what are the leadehip lessons president obama could learn from president kennedy? with us, author of the new book "jack kennedy: elusive hero," "hardball" host, chris matthews. politico's reporter covering the cain story, maggie haberman. "wall street journal" columnist kim strassel and republican strategist, alex castellanos. good morning. exactly one year to election day 2012, as republicans battle for the right to take on president obama, and there's a new side this morning to the sexual harassment accusations against republican presidential front-runner herman cain. first reported one week ago, may, in fact, be affecting his standings with voters. a new online reuters/ipsos poll released just th morning shows mr. cain's favorability rating falling nine points from a week ago. last night appearing after a tea

party debate fund-raiser with newt gingrich in texas, mr. cain, visibly frustrated, tried once again to put this issue behind him. >> i was going to do something that my staff told me not to do and try to respond. okay? what i'm saying is this, we are the -- we are getting back on message. >> thank you, mr. cain. >> end of story. back on message. read all of the other accounts. read all of the other accounts. but everything has been answered. end of story. we're getting back on message. okay? >> but how does he do that with so many questions still to be answered. here with us to assess this and the rest of the 2012 race for the white house, the governor of mississippi, former chair of the republican party, haley barbour and the former governor of new mexico, 2008 presidential candidate and democrat, bill richardson. welcome to both of you. haley barbour, let me start with you, governor, you said this week herman cain's got to get all his act out on the table.

now he says i'm not talking about it anymore. how does he do that? >> well, i think it's very hard to get back on message if everybody is interested in these other issues. when i was at the white house under president reagan, one time henry kissinger spoke to us and he said in politics and government, when it's bad news, get it out fast. the bad news is not like fine wine, it doesn't improve with age. so i think what he wants to do is get back on message, and the way to do that is to get all the facts on the table, get it behind him. >> but nobody can say, governor barb boush -- >> i don't think this is fatal. >> i'm sorry, you do not think it's fatal? >> i'm not one of the people that think this is necessarily fatal. but people need to know what the facts are. and that's -- that's a challenge for him right now to get those out as quickly as possible. get it behind him. >> and i didn't mean to interrupt. but i was trying to make the point, but if you look at how he's handled it this week there is no way you can say this has been an effective, consistent way to just get the facts on the

table. >> well, there's no way you can say it's been good for him. >> and governor richardson, how do you see this? does this disqualify him? >> i don't have all the facts on this case. but, sexual harassment is serious. we have to protect women in the workplace. i think mr. cain has to answer these questions. you know what is most disturbing is a poll that i saw, "washington post" poll, 55% of republicans think this charge is not serious. i think it's important that he get the facts out. i don't have the facts. i think it's important, also, that we look at how women are faring in republican primaries. personhood amendments are sprouting out everywhere. the extreme right wing of the republican party has taken over to the point where we now have an amendment in several states that criminalize a women's right to choose. that prevents in vitro fertilization. that prevents birth control.

even in cases of rape or incest. i think what you're seeing is a huge assault on women's rights, in the republican parties. and an extreme right wing that has taken over that is going to make it very difficult for anybody in a general election in the republican party to be a centrist. >> governor barbour, let me have you respond to that and put some context behind it. because this is a personhood amendment in mississippi that says life would begin at fertilization and anti-abortion activists are trying to push this to a new level. you said you were uncomfortable with it, but you actually did support it. what concerns did you have? >> well, look, i believe life begins at conception. i'm not a physician or a theologian. i just don't know any other time you could say life begins, other than conception. concerns that i have were about out of what i call ectopic pregnancies where the fertilized egg lodges outside the womb, say the fallopian tubes. but have been assured that

there's no question in medical practice that that's two lives and the mother's life would be protected. but there's no question that the wording down here is what concerned people. not the idea that life begins at conception. but that the wording of it is. but i am surprised my friend bill says that republican women are doing bad in our primaries, since a republican women won the primary and succeeded him as governor of new mexico. >> can i ask one other question of you governor barbour, just about cain. look, his fund-raising is up, they say, this week. his poll standings seem strong. it would not really hurt him aside from the favorability rating being down this morning. in some ways, do you see the republican party at least an aspect of it doubling down on him on this thing? >> well, i think bill richardson made a point. when people said in the polls they didn't think it was serious, i think most of them were saying, they don't take seriously the charges. they don't believe they're true.

that they believe that they're a political attack on cain. if that's the truth, then what herman cain needs to do is push very hard to make those facts plain. get all the cards on the table face up. i do think you have the smell here of clarence thomas. though clearly just being attacked by somebody that for years and years and years and years had never sa a peep about him until he beca a conservative, african-american nominee for the supreme court. i think that is more than anything to whether it's bad. >> let's remember something here, his accuser here has decided not to come public to, you know, put her face on this, did not want to come out and endure everything here. this is a settled matter. this is actually a settlement that did exist. she's not coming out here to hurt him any further. >> well, you know, that's a two-sided coin for herman cain. it would be better to be able to confront your accuser, just like you can in a court of law.

and it may make other people say, well, gee, i she's not willing to say it publicly, i'm not so sure i believe it. >> all right. she did have to sign a nondisclosure agreement. governor richardson i want to ask you about something else. we've been talking about sexual harassment. the fact is this is also a week where herman cain made me serious rookie mistakes on foreign policy, including china, saying they had a nuclear capability -- or they did not have a nuclear capability when they've had it since the '60s. he had lunch with henry kissinger to try to shore up those concerns about his foreign policy credentials. she's also talked about an issue that you care a lot about and that's immigration. back in october, he talked about building an electric border fence, then i asked him about it the very next day on this program. watch this exchange. >> part of it will have a real fence. behind with barbed wire. electrified. with a sign on the other side that says, it can kill you.

it would be in english and spanish. >> on immigration, you said it in an event in tennessee that you would build an electrified fence on the border that could kill people if they tried to cross illegally. >> that's a joke, david. >> it's a joke? >> that's a joke. that's a joke. >> how egregious do you think that was to talk about immigration that way, when this is a serious issue in this primary fight? governor richardson? >> well, i think this totally is irresponsible. what you're seeing is republican candidates for president tripping over more anti-immigrant. this is going to be very cost with hispanic voters there florida and nevada and new mexico, colorado, arizona, that are probably going to settle this election. and it's -- it's an irresponsible position. you know, you talked about foreign policy. every president has to have foreign policy experience.

and this president has a great record. you talk about al qaeda. the elimination of al qaeda, more in the last 2 1/2 years than since 9/11. the president initiated the military operation against bin laden. he's getting us out of iraq. draw down on afghanistan. libya successful mission. a s.t.a.r.t. treaty reducing nuclear stockpiles with russia. nuclear materials initiatives. free trade agreements. this president has restored america's respect abroad. we've strengthened our alliances. he's leading in the european effort to restore the international economy. herman cain, when he talks about not knowing that china has a nucleareapon here, china is probably emerging as the next superpower. you can't have presidential candidates not have some kind of interest and degree and knowledge of foreign policy. >> all right. i'm going to make that the last word. we're going to continue the

debate for sure, governors, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we're going to continue our decision 2012 "meet the candidates" series with jon huntsman now. a man who is no stranger to the white house, having served four presidents over the course of his career. in 2004, he was elected as republican governor of utah, re-elected there in 2008. shortly after that, he accepted a post as the u.s. ambassador to china under president obama. and he's making his very paris appearance here on "meet the press." governor huntsman, welcome. >> david, it's good to be with you. >> i have to ask you about herman cain. he's your competitor. he's on top of the polls right now. he's a front-runner in this race. i talked to a republican this week who said after the event, is he disqualified, unqualified, or will the conservative base just love him more? >> that's totally up to herman cain. a person i've come to know as a decent, decent man and a good candidate. and now, it's been said over and over again, it's up to herman cain to get the information out and get it out in total. but that's important because we've got some real issues to

discuss in this campaign, and this is taking all of the bandwidth out of the discussion. so we're not able to talk about jobs. we're not able to talk about our position in the world. and that hurts. that hurts the american people. >> but you think he can't say, end of discussion, until he gets more information out there? >> no. the information comes out. it's got to come out in total. eleven legitimate questions have en raised and that information has to come forward. >> what is your bigger concern as a rival, the sexual harassment controversy or lack of foreign policy experience as he's shown? >> well, i think at some point the substance really does matter. and you've got to have a commander in chief who actually understands the world in which we live. it's comple it's confusing. it's unpredictable. and it's not going to get any less so as we move forward. the more that we can spend time focused on the issues and plumb out whether the candidates have what it takes on the leadership side and experience side. and in terms of rebuilding trust in the system. the one thing that concerns me most as i look at where we are, there is -- we're running out of trust in terms of how the american people see our key institutions of power.

whether that's washington and congress, whether the executive branch, or whether wall street. and when you start running on empty in terms of trust, that puts our country in a very vulnerable spot. >> you know china well. herman cain said this week they didn't have nuclear capability. what does that say to you about a level of preparedness to be president on his part that has to be a factor in how he's evaluated? >> i think there needs to be a baseline level of knowledge from a foreign policy standpoint. but specific to china. as far as the eye can see into the 21st century the united states and china are on the world stage. and whether that's in the economic realm or whether it's in the security realm, we've got to figure out how to make that relationship work. and it would be nice to have a president in office who actually had a head start and actually knew them intimately well in terms of the economics and the security issues involved. >> mitt romney was the one who you were supposed to be drafting most closely. everybody talked about huntsman, romney, fighting this thing out at the end, new ham shiver and beyond. you haven't come close to him yet.

yet you think there's a real issue with whether he can beat president obama. >> well, i think there is an issue on the flip-flops, as it relates to trust. i don't know that he can go on to beat president obama. given his record. i mean, when there is a question about whether you're running for the white house, or running for the wfle house, you've got a real problem with the american people. >> and his big flip-flop to you is what? >> well, i think there's a range of them. but when you have something as central as life, that you flip-flop on, when you have a second amendment, when you have health care, you have a range of issues that, on taxes, for example, that he's been on both sides of. and i think that what the american people want today, more than anything else, is a level of consistency. they want trust. they want a level of trust in their elected officials. >> you think that's a reason why he's tapping out at where he is among conservatives in 25% or thereabouts? >> i think that could very well be the issue with not being able to break beyond a certain level. so if you have 100% name

recognition in a place like new hampshire, everyone's kind of done the analysis and made their evaluation, you know, there may be something there that doesn't allow you to get beyond a certain ceiling. >> i want to ask you about faith and the mormon faith. you're a mormon, so is romney. this was a poll that quinnipiac took in may that indicated, if you look at the numbers, more than a third think they're uncomfortable with someone of the mormon faith being a presidential candidate. do you think there will be a mormon president? and when? >> of course there will be. i think this election cycle, we could very well prove that point. but i think it's a nonsense issue. i completely think it's a nonsense issue. there is no bandwidth left in our political discussion to focus any of our effort or time on religion when we've got jobs, when we've got an economy that's broken. when this country has hit the wall. i don't think people are spending a whole lot of time evaluating one's religion. they may have in years past but i think we're beyond that point this election cycle. >> you talk about other

candidates in the race. we've talked about cain. we've talked about romney. but you've also talked about some who were too outside the main stream. so extreme in their views to be elected president. are you talking about some of your rivals right now in this race? >> well, i'm talking about a republican party that dismisses mainstream science. i think in order for us to be successful, we've got to win over some independents. we've got to do the math. the math has to be in our favor. you can't run away from mainstream ience, for example, and expect to win the race. you can't be on an extreme end of politics, and expect to win over the independent vote. that's going to be a critical calculus in making sure that the next president is a republican. you can't avoid that reality. >> but, you would not put romney in that camp, per se, yet you're saying unequivocally, he cannot beat president obama? >> listen, when i stand on the debate stage after the whole debt ceiling debate has been had, and every single person on that stage who was in favor of default, i mean, i don't think you can get any more extreme than that. at a time in this nation's

history where we've got to stand up as 25% of the world's gdp, we've got to fixhe problem as opposed to default. a default would have destroyed this economy. retirements and 401(k) programs would have been shipwrecked. >> but my question is mitt romney in your view cannot beat president obama? >> i think when you're on too many sides of the issues of the day, when you don't have that core, when there's that element of trust out there, i think that becomes a problem. and i think it makes you unelectable against barack obama. >> you wouldn't support him if you were the nominee? >> oh, of course i would. of course i would support him. >> but you don't think he'd be able to -- >> i think the electable issue is a very real one. >> let's talk about where you are on the ideological spectrum because i think some people may have some questions. you talked about some candidates being outside mainstream issues and republican thought. here you were in 2008 at the republican nominating convention, national convention, giving the nominating speech for governor sarah palin. >> we are looking for a beacon

of light to show us the way. our nation's challenges are real and daunting. but we will not despair. the future depends on leadership. the kind of leadership that carries a confident and independent spirit, born out of xperience, hardship, disappointment, and success. we are looking for sarah! >> you were under the weather, i should point out. are you a sarah palin republican? >> well, listen, i was asked to introduce her and nominate her because i think i was about the only person who actually knew her. after john mccain had picked her as a running mate. i was chair of the western governor's association. i worked to a limited extent with sarah palin, so when you're looking with somebody who can actually go up and nominate her, i was asked to do it, and i did as told. >> so you mean you pumped up the case there? you didn't really believe that the country was waiting for sarah palin? >> i wanted to help my good friend john mccain. i wanted to help his ticket.

i wanted to move the republicans toward victory and i stepped up and did what i thought was right. >> do you think she was capable of being vice president of the united states? >> i think absolutely she was capable of being vice president. she was elected agovernor. she served a couple of years well. i think she would have learned a lot on the job. >> you share some of her views? >> well, i haven't put that to the test. i don't know what her views are in foreign policy. i don't know what her views are in terms of tax policy and economic policy. but i assume that they would be in the tradition of conservative governance as we have seen with a lot of good republican governors. >> here's the satirical paper the union with a headline on thursday, huntsman quietly relieved to be polling poorly among gop voters, quote, these people square the begeezous out of me, says candidate. that's a fake quote. but sometimes satire has a ring of truth to it. are you a moderate? >> i don't think people should confuse a moderate attitude with a moderate record. look at what i did as governor of the state of utah. first of all i was twice elected

in utah, which is a comp seven 2i6 state. the second time, 80% of the vote. got all the republicans. got a lot of independents, and won a lot of democts, too. that's called leadership. but you look at the leadership, and it's based on pro-life. always has been. pro-second amendment. pro-growth. the largest tax cut that state had ever seen in history. the second voucher bill ever in the nation, i signed. health care reform without a mandate. i mean, the list goes on and on. you'd be hard-pressed when you look at my governing record not to say, that's a good, conservative governing record and style. >> i want to ask you about one of your own flip-flops that's gotten some attention and that's and the issue of health care. back in 2008, the issue of an individual mandate, can you compel folks to buy health care insurance under a reform plan, this is what you said, i wouldn't shy away from mandate. i think if you're going to get it done and get it done right, mandates have to be part of it, in some way, shape or form. now you're saying a mandate is unconstitutional. doesn't this smack of the same

kind of flip-flop that you say, make somebody unelectable? >> you have to see what i delivered as governor of the state. what i signed my name to. was a market-based health care reform package. we had a wide-ranging discussion with health care -- this is enormously large and complicated as an issue and we still need to find a way forward that closes the gap onhe uninsured. that gets us more in the way of affordable health care policies. we still don't have those today. but we looked at both sides of the issue. we spent months and months immersing ourselves in the data, in the policy implications of what mandate would do versus a market-based approach. then we opted for a market-based approach. did we live with both sides and debate both sides? of course we did. >> you said you've got to look at man dates. now you're saying it's unconstitutional. >> look what i signed. what we signed was where we were at the end of the discussion. i signed a market-based system. and today although it hasn't completely closed the gap on the uninsured i believe a

market-based system with expanded choice and options is ultimately going to be -- >> you have to compel people to buy insurance to make it work. >> no, you've got to have affordable policies. and then you've got to break down the barriers state by state to allow somebody in the state of new hampshire to access an affordable policy in the state of utah. you can't do that today. that will drive the marketplace to greater affordability. i think that's where we need to be longer-term as opposed to a mandate. >> you said the 2009 economic stimulus was too small. do you think government has to play a role if it's going to help us get out of the cycle of slow economic growth? >> we're not going to bail out banks any more in this country. the quantity tatdive easing programs have been proven not to work. they've proven not to work. we've blown through trillions and trillions of dollars with nothing to show on the balance sheet. but additional debt. no uplift in the well-being of our people. no improvements in joblessness. i say, you know, the stimulus that i thought was going to work and that we talked about initially, was that directed toward more in the way of business tax cuts. that's the way it was talked

about initially, at least a significant part of t. and i think that would have been a good step. beyond that we've wasted a whole lot of money in this country. the will of the people is such that we won't do that again. >> if you were the deciding vote you would have voted against t.a.r.p.? if you were the deciding vote you would have voted against it with the heads of treasury and major banks say we could be risk the entire economy. >> you can't go back and relive those days. you can say we've learned a lot of lessons. >> but you can, governor, this is important and i've asked other candidates this. it's easy now to look back and say i wouldn't have supported that. if you were the deciding vote under those circumstances when you have major figures saying we could risk the entire u.s. economy, if we don't bail o the banks, you would have said, wrong thing to do, i'm going to vote against it. >> let me tell you what i did say. i said we need more of a chapter 11 reorganization step first. that's what i said about the auto bailout, and beyond. we don't have a chapter 11 reorganization provision. we should have had something like that. i went on the record saying that about t.a.r.p. at the time and

that's the way i feel today. >> quick one on social policy. the personhood amendment that we talked about in mississippi, for anti-abortn forces, kind of a next chapter, saying that life begins at fertilization. you agree with that? >> i think it goes too far. i am pro-life and i always have been. i have two little adopted girls to prove the point. i think life begins at conception. and you know, i have certain calf at-s or exclusions, in the case of rape, insist, and life of the mother. but i have always been -- i've always been pro-life and proud of my record. >> let's talk about new hampshire. you're betting the house on new hampshi hampshire, doing well there. first look at your standing in the national polls with everybody, you've got romney and cain in front. you are down at 1% in the polls if we look at the national numbers. here are some of the trending polls in new hampshire, just over the past month. you're still well below 10%. you're not catching on. what has to happen in new hampshire for you to stay in the

race, and what has to happen, or whatever happens, to get you out of the race? >> we're going on number 100 in terms of events in new hampshire in the next week or two. our town hall meetings are packed. we're connecting with people there. i have every confidence that the work we're doing on the ground, coupled with some advertisements on the air, we're going to be up and we're going to be up considerably. >> will you put your own money in the race? >> yes, we already put a little bit in. as with arms control, policy, you don't want to unilaterally disarm. we've gotten the race off to a start. at least by putting some of our own in. but what is noteworthy is as we go up in the polls in new hampshire, we've come from zero and now we're 10 or 11 in a recent poll the fund-raising has come up about 250%. soits follows the marketplace. as we do better in new hampshire we do better fund-raising. >> if you don't win new hampshire, can you stay in this race? >> well, new hampshire is this. we're putting everything into new hampshire and we're doing it right. new hampshire is the window

through which the people of that state and indeed the people of this country get to see, meet and and liez the candidates. there's another artificialty it's all the real thing and they want leadership and ideas. >> so surrogates in a campaign matter a great deal to any campaigner and you've got three of the best. your three older daughters making some fun about herman cain's smoking ad and they've put it up there. this is what it looks like in part. >> no one's ever seen -- >> we need you to get involved. make sure our next president has not sound bites. check out our dad at jon2012.com and follow us at jon2012girls. >> i don't think i've seen anything like that. what can your daughters do for you that you can't do for yourself? >> you give a major speech on foreign policy, david, changing america's role in the world and you get three hits on youtube. my daughters come up with some silly adnd they get half a million or whatever it is today.

so it's the world of politics we live in today. you get your message outin different ways. >> all right. governor huntsman, thank you very much. >> pleasure to be here. >> coming up, a wild week in republican presidential politics as herman cain struggles to get his story straight. will the event be a game changer in the ration and can romney pick up any more conservative support? plus the road ahead for obama's re-election campaign as the economy remains sluggish. a political roundtable weighs in. msnbc's crist matthews is here talking about his new book on jack kennedy as well as maggie haberman of politico. "the wall street journal's" kim strassel and republican strategist alex castellanos. right after this break. - i volunteered. - i was drafted. - i enlisted. - i was nervous. - and there i was in asia. - europe. - the gulf. - and i saw things. - incredible things. - and people you never forget. - i did my job. - for my country. - my buddies. - for total strangers. - and i was proud. - so grateful.

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