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>> i am sara gore and this is "open house." we go behind the doors of an home with an indoor spa. a >> we designed custom paint technique that feels more like foliage. >> and new york decorator shows us his unique approach to designing a beachside digs. a renovation and california. george is a new jersey to rescue a group of unsigned heroes. a >> i can see this lounge is in desperate need of a makeover. >> first, we visit with the set decorator behind "ringer." whether you're buying, selling,

redesigning or just dreaming, we have you covered. today, basking in the sunshine in coming to you from an amazing home in the pacific palisades neighborhood of los angeles. this $20 million at a training estate has nine bedrooms and a stunning pool area. we came up with the production designer stephen wolf the famous studios in l.a. he shows us how he designed the penthouse on the set of cw's new drama "ringer." >> i am production designer on the new series "ringer." she plays transistors -- twin sisters who live complicated lives in this sophisticated apartment. the due to circumstances,

bridget kelly assumes their dignity of her sister and reside here in this beautiful penthouse apartment in the heart of manhattan. the cocole are to lee new york socialites. on the outside, their apartment and life style appeared to be perfect. underneath it, the story is about to people whose lives are crumbling. we're sitting on my inspiration piece that was the beginnings to the design for the home. this fabric set in my briefcase for a number of months, the motivation to find colors that blended with the eggplant, plums, and the olive greens we found in the fabric as an inspiration for the design of the room. she stands 5 feet, 2 inches. looking around the room, our proportions and scale is to be

driven by our lead actress. andrew, the lead actor, is a much different character, standing over 6 feet tall. we gave him another room. and standing in the mancave, dedicated to the character andrew morton. the color is darker, richer, a much more masculine. it is a space i pictured him coming in without his wife, alone, to listen to his music or maybe to do his work. it is clearly a different proportion and scale and a different way of life. one of the greatest challenges for any production designer is to not only create a three- dimensional space but to be able to allow a director of photography the opportunity to scope the shapes and live within that area. i want to give them several light sources to create

different emotions and tell the story that not only the words tell, but the sec hopes to convey in its design. -- the set hopes to convey in its design. this is both the dining room and the library. the bookcase is on wheels. it allows the camera to move further back into the set up to capture the sidelines that go from here to the skyline of new york. we're in the master bedroom of the martin apartment. this is a room i took great pride in. the new element we incorporated into the design of the set was the closet. closet used to be kept behind closed doors. and our world, we decided it became another location to allow actors to play out a scene. i hope you enjoyed your tour

through the apartment and i hope this inspires you to think outsidide the box and resurface your own space. >> very impressive work, stephen. stay right here for more design tips, style, and beautiful homes.

>> welcome back to "open house." sit back and relax as we head to chicago for an exclusive tour inside this beautiful tuscan insped home nestled on a private street. >> hello, i'm designer of this tuscan inspired home in illinois. today, i'm going to take you on a tour.

this the type and style home, although built in 2005, maintains a true test in feel from hand carved woodwork to custom paint techniques, the home is filled with hand touches. as she passed to the entryway, you're greeted by this non- traditional stone carved fireplace. this is one of my favorite rooms in the house, an intimate setting because of the step down we have. the color scheme or paint technique is very important. i'd like to feature warm tones. i was inspired by the old tuscan architecture. i often put paint on ceilings. one thing you'll notice, there is not a lot of art. the architecture of the home is the arch. this chandelier is oversized and really puts a pop in the dining room.

welcome to the master suite. setting the bed in front of a window is not traditional, however, it creates a drama in this room and i loved it. there is a secret in this room and that is that this door these to beautiful in ground spot just down the spiral staircase. this is where i would like to spend every evening. i wanted to create an outdoor feel any spa, so we accustom pain technique that feels more like foliage. throughout the house, you'll see unique light fixtures. this one, however, is definitely my favorite. it really takes the cake. this outside space is a great place for the family to just hang out any time of the year. the mature landscape is really a beautiful backdrop. you could have a wedding out here. it was an honor showing the

spectacular house. it was a true labor of love. i hope the new home owners enjoyed as much as the current ones are. >> that was so majestic. what a great spa area. coming up, inside an eccentric long island beach house. and george goes to new >> welcome back to "open house."

in new york, designer eric livingston texas inside his amazing long island beach house. from subdividing an open floor plan to a ping pong table that doubles as a dining table, he proves there are no rules when it comes to designing a seaside home. >> hello, i'm an interior designer based out of new york. this is my beach house. it is different. what i would like to do is take the inside and show you the uniqueness of the house. the house was moved here about 1918. it had been in the family for the entire period of time. we saw the incredible experience of the home. the experiences plus the character of the house is something we knew we could not repeat.

it had a soul with cannot walk away from. as you can see, there is no clear tailored lines. the idea of using organic shapes was critical. next, color. we just used inspiration's from outside. as a green and orange, embellishing it to give it accent. a common problem with the space this largest of dividing it into levels of intimacy. how do you break it up? one area we have is the ping pong table that up to four people can play. we have been able to use the dining room table for up to 20 people. it is multipurpose. above me as something that is unique. it looks like a bird cages, but they are electrified.

it is a great sculptural feeling during the day. i found from my experience of collecting couldn't items together is important. and putting a collection together, it is not about the individual item but pulling together them - piece. there are four bedrooms. this is the master bedroom. it is a collection of various things. so much of the strategy in the home and his bedroom is collecting antiques. there are two ways to go about it. shop at regular antique shop and the other is flea markets or antique shows. this might not be the typical beach house, the pinnacle of the beach experience. >> i have to say the hanging bird cages are a lot of fun and

a great design idea. coming up, see was $6 million will give you in the heart of the desert. and george is in new jersey to rescue the rescuers. >> "open house" is brought to by coldwell banker. we never stop moving.

>> welcome back to "open house." we go behind the doors of a gated estate in california. covering 10,000 square feet, this ultimate desert retreat as a 10-foot waterfall, and oversized pool, tennis courts, and entire separate guest wing overlooking the mountains. enjoy your tour. >> welcome to my family home and

thunderbird cove in rancho mirage. once one comes to the entry, you come into the courtyard which has a cold tile fountain and over concrete steps coming into the entry gallery as you can see around here. here we are in the great room of the house. we created this room for indoor/outdoor living. in front of me are 12-foot high doors which completely disappear into the wall. there's an outdoor living room so even on the hottest days, it is incredibly comfortable. there's a very large swimming pool, and fitted the jacuzzi, and tennis court. great for having a lot of fun with friends or family. the bar is an homage to frank sinatra and bing crosby. behind me are walls of glass which look out to the courtyard and the mountains as well. there is this cube made out of

south american rosewood. behind that, a kitchenette with custom-made in italy and a dining area for more casual evenings. you can eat inside in the kitchen or outside as there is a separate dining room out there with a fireplace. there's a media room, comfortable for watching tv, or to spending time with the family. the master suite is completely private. even that is comprised mostly of glass, it is surrounded by gardens and courtyard walls. we added a fireplace, sofa, an unusual furniture which we recovered in cream london. the master bath and, personally, is my favorite room in the home. it has a huge walk-in marble shower, and an outdoor area as well as a beautiful jacuzzi. when our friends and guests, over, there are three guest cottages on the property.

everyone's favorite is the top left. their two bedrooms, private outdoor sun garden, outdoor shower. when one walks up there, you can see a colonnade of olive trees with wide stairs that lead to the grass area and you're up against the mountain. very dramatic. i hope you enjoyed the tour. thank you for visiting my home. >> i would love to take a dip in that pool. coming up after the break -- >> is everyone ready?

>> welcome back to "open house." let's watch as george does one of his favorite things, rescuing the rescuers. he said his sights on a volunteer ems unit in new jersey to give these unsung an updated -- heroes a place to hang their hats. >> this squad is made up entirely of volunteers who donate over 25,000 man hours a year in servicing their community. we heard their lounge was used

for everything from training to relaxation and in dire need of a makeover. we got the entire squad gathered inside right now for what they believe is a local news story. for a group that answers almost 1000 emergency calls a year, i think they deserve more than a news story. they need a rescue. a >> this what is 100% volunteer members. we are 100% the least in need. most of our members come from within the town. >> nobody is compensated financially, but the reward and satisfaction out of being a member, out of having another family, out of having a place you can call home is here at station 100 planes broke rescue squad. >> how's it going, everybody? we love coming to the rescue of actual rescuers. people who go out and help other

people every day. i concede this lounge is in desperate need of a makeover. some of these couches look like you pick them up off the side of the street. we want to spruce this place up a little bit if it is all right with you. all right? [applause] all right, guys, this is the rescue lounge. you name it, they use it. >> we have to do a lot of different things in the same room. >> exactly. this is the bond area. >> wow. i felt bad for anyone who has to sleep in here. the ceiling has got to go, it needs paint, flooring. >> it is a lot of work. >> the dumpsters are here. >> great. >> it looks like we need reinforcements.

anemic the call? >> i can do that. all report for demolition day. thank you for coming out to help us. everything in this room is going. >> it sounds easy enough. what do you say? let's destroy this room. >> it is coming down. it is exciting. >> i like these tools. amex demolition a lot easier. -- it makes demolition a lot easier. i think construction is coming along pretty good, but we are going to need furniture. let's go meet joanne and do some shopping. are you ready to do some shopping? >> this is my favorite part. >> all of the furniture is being

donated. the world is your oyster. >> let's do it. >> i think we have some great stuff. >> i'm really excited. >> i cannot wait to see it in the lounge. >> me, too. >> nothing changes the look of a room like a fresh coat of paint. let's get to work. this really was not in that bad a shape, but there were a few holes on the walls that we had to patch up. the nice thing about this paint, it goes right over the spackled spots. to cut and you never see a bleed through. -- two coats and you'll never see a bleed through. is everyone ready? are you guys ready? 3, 2, 1 -- >> oh, my gosh! >> holy cow.

>> wow! what a difference. what a difference. everything is new. everything is clean. it is bright and cheery. it was a depressing in here before. no matter what we tried, we could not make it better. it is amazing. it is amazing. >> we do what we do without an expectation of getting anything back excel the self satisfaction and ratification of knowing we're doing great for the community. every once in awhile, what goes around, comes around. what has come our way is this fantastic gift from "george to the rescue." that is all for this week's episode of "open house."

join us next week for top properties and designs. if you missed something on today's show, go to openhousetv.com you can join our facebook family or follow us on twitter. thank you for stopping in. i am sara gore and i will see you next week on "open house."

this sunday, national outrage over the alleg sexual abuse of children at penn state. >> joe paterno is no longer the head football coach, effective immediately. >> was there a conspiracy of silence throughout t university to cover this up for years? this morning, where is the investigation going? wha are the consequences for penn state? and the largerquestion, about how some institutions get so bi and so powerful, that they fail the most basic moral test. with u this morninghe republican governor of pennsylvania, and member of the penn state board of trustees, tom corbett. then, what a week in the republican race for the white house. the denials. >> i have never acted inappropriately with anyone, period. the debate disaster. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that a gone. commerce, education, and the --

what is the third one there? let's see. >> and now the question, is rry finished? can cain weather sexual harassment questions? can romney quiet conservative critics? and can michele bachmann, once near the top of the polls, regain her standing in the first tier? we'll ask them. with us this morning, presidential candidate and minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann. then, the view from the democrats. how does the president overcome america's high anxiety about the economy? will he have to run away from his record against the republican nominees? joining us the leader of the democratic party, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz of florida. and finally our political roundtable. how wide open is the race for the gop nomination? and more on the national conversation over the penn state candle. with us, "washington post" columnist e.j. dionne and "the new york times" columnist david brooks.

good morning. on the subje of foreign policy, the republican presidential candidates met last night for their tenth debate, and leveled more attacks against president obama than against each other. >> look, one thing you can know, and that is if we re-elect barack obama, iran will have a nuclear weapon. and if we elect mitt romney, if you elect me as the next president, they will not have a nuclear weapon. >> and if there's anything that we know, president obama has been more than willing to stand with occupy wall street, but he hasn't been willing to stand with israel. >> there are a number of ways to be smart about iran, and relatively few ways to be dumb. and the administration skipped all the ways to be short. >> me on that in just a couple of moments. but first this morning, the child sexual abuse scandal at penn state. after 46 years on the sidelines, head coach joe paterno was not at yesterday's penn state/nebrka game. there was, instead, a subdued

mood in happy valley. > the nebraska and penn state play e players, with the sentiments of many around the nation, gathering in prayer for the victims in these allegations, showing solidarity and support. >> the scene on the field yesterday. we go now live to harrisburg, pennsylvania, where we are joined by the man who as pennsylvania's attorney general in 2009 began the investigation into allegations of chld sexual abuse by former penn state assistant football coach jerry sansky, who you see here, as he was arrested, and a subsequent cover-up by penn state officials. he is now the governor of the state, and as such is a member of the penn state board of trustees. governor corbett, welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you, david. >> i know you're limited, because you were attorney general, in speaking about the criminal investigation. but i have to ask you more broadly, are there more victims that we don't know about? >> i don't know the answer to

that, david. when you conduct investigations like this, and in my career i have conducted investigations like this, the more that you can get public about what has happened, the more thatou can demonstrate that law enforcement and authorities are going to assist the victims of these types of crimes, it is not uncommon to see more victims come forward. hopefully there aren't any more victims. hopefully we know who they all are. but if there are more victims, we encourage them, the state police, the attorney general's office, and i, encourage them to come forward,et us know. and we're going to work to do everything we possibly can to help you. th is about the victims. >> you have to understand, people, those of us who are parents, including myself, i have a 9-year-old boy at home, and you hear about instances of a graduate assistant coach, mcqueary, who sees a 9 or 10-year-old boy being sodomized by sandusky in a shower, according to his testimony, does nothing to physically stop it.

calls his father, does not call the police. his father does nothing to stop it. runs it up the chain. obody call the police. and you have to ask yourself, why isn't mcqueary or his father actually charged with a crime? >> well, the attorney general made a decision, and i'm goi to make this from observations, not from conversations with the attorney general, that he is a witness to this case. that he met the minimum obligation of reporting it up, but did not, in my opinion, meet a moral obligation that all of us would have. i answered a question the other day of, what would you do? and i think everybody believes that they would go in and break that up. unfortately that isn't what happened. and that's clear from the presentment. but we need to move forward. >> mcqueary is on administrative leave by the boar of trustees. >> right. >> should he still have a job? >> well, that's a determination that the board of trustees, but more importantly the new

administration, with rod erickson as the president, will make a decision on. but they have to keep in mind that this is also somebody who is a witness to this crime, and is a very important witness to this crime. >> let me ask you as governor about the law in your state. now, when mcqueary goes to joe paterno and says, i saw something of a sexual nature. by law, and people may not know this, in pennsylvania, like a lot of other states, some 40 her states, all paterno has to do by law is report it to the head of his department. and then the institution, the head of the institution is responsible for calling the police, or calling child services. so if paterno does what he should have done by law, did he do enough? and should that law be changed? >> well, obvusly the attorney general, one, made the decision that he did enough and said he's not a subject in the investigation. should the law be changed? absolutely. i know that members of both parties, republican and

democrats, have already introduced measures to make that change. and we have to make sure that the change in the law is one that is effective. it easy enough to take a look to see what other states have done. but i'm sure that within the next few weeks, you will probably see bills become public. i wouldn't be surprised to see if a bill was passed between now and the end of this yea >> there's a very key point here that has to do with the charity that sandusky set up called the second mile. which according to the grand jury report, is where he targeted kids for sual abuse. now, in 2002, when one of the victims was allegedly sexually attacked and mcqueary witnessed, all the administration at penn state did, according to the report, was tell sandusky, don't bring kids onto campus. nobody tells the police. nobody tells child protective services. they do tell the second mile. and the lawyer at the second mile used to be the lawyer at penn state, who was himself

aware that the police had investigated a prior incident with sandusky back in 1998. you no doubt have some serious questions about that charity and who's on the board of the charity and those who knew what was going on. >> wel first, the determination has to be made as to what was going on. as the aorney general has indicated, this is an ongoing investigation. and i'm sure at that is part of it, as to what information, and when it was communicated to the executive director of the second mile, to the lawyers of the second mile, and from there, what was passed along to the members of the board of that organization. and there are many members who are from the community of state college who are on that organization. the second mile has done a lot of great work with students. unfortunately, though, mr. sandusky has done a lot of bad work with these students. >> i just have to ask you as a trust leigh, as the governor of the state, as the former attorney general of the state, how did this happen?

i mean, was this -- was this a culture of indifference? a culture of cover-up? did it extend throughout the university? go beyond the university to the police, to the d.a.? where? >> well, two things, david. number one, as you know, i was ust elected last year. i'm new to the board of trustees. in fact, thursday and friday were my first meetings with the board of trustees. i've had representatives there. one of the reasons that i went there, in addition to having planned to be there already, is to understand and get a better handle on what's going on. to see exactly what's going on. busecondly, the board has appointed ken frazier to conduct an investigation. his vice chair is ron tamales, my secretary of education, to investigate exactly what happened. and i think some of the questions that you just asked, including is thi just a culture of people not questioning what is going on. not passing information along as

th should. i think that is going to be the bject of that investigation, and i always wait for the results of investigations before i issue an opinion. >> do you think that the cture of football at penn state ultimately corrupted the rest of the institution, and forced it to fail a basic moral test? >> well, i'm not going to call it the culture of football at penn state. it's -- your question should be, is what is the openness at penn state, and, frankly, maybe at all major universities, and even small universities. small colleges. i had somebody indicating to me that they told me a story earlier about a small community, and their programs, and people not talking about things that they should talk about. i think one of the lessons that we need to learn is from this, is that when people see something like this, or hear aut something like this, you need to investigate right away.

you need to report it. we have lost the focus of what's in the best interest of the child when you see something like this. >> what about the future of the football program. as you remember, usc, when it had financial improprieties with running back reggie bush had to decline a bowl invitation for two years. should that happen at penn state? should the football program be suspended for a period of time? >> well, i keep in mind this had nothing to do with the men on that team right now. and i don't think that they should have to suffer because of the actions of maybe a few, including mr. sandusky. but i think it is a question that not only should the investigation b ken frazier take a look at, but that the board of trustees should take a look at. >> should they go to a bowl game if invited? >> i think that's a question that has to be determined by the board of trustees. and i'd have to give that thought. >> what about funding for penn

state and ultimately the financial health of the state? moody's has said they're going to take a look at its bond rating because of the allegations at penn state. the financial liability of this institution through lawsuits, through loss of support from donors, could be monumental. do you not believe? >> well, it could be. but, i don't engage in speculation like that. i think if you look at the financial statement that was actually presented to the board on friday, they're in very strong position. and people should take a look at that. they do get some funding from the state of pennsylvania. i think it's maybe 7.5% of their total operating budget. but i think from a financial standpoint, penn state is in a very good position right now. >> from a criminal point of view, is there more to come? >> view of having condued investigations like this in the past, you never know what's to come, but the

re td especially now the charges are filed against individuals, should some of them decide to cooperate, if they tell us information that we don't have, that maybe many in the media and in the public a speculating on, is there the potential for that? sure. there's always potential for that. >> all right, we'll leave it there. governor corbett, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you for having me, david. >> joining me now, republican presidential candidate, ngresswon of nnesota, michele bachmann. congresswoman bachmann, welcome back. >> thank you, david. good to be with you this morning. >> there's a lot to discuss on the campaign trail. but i have to ask you first about this horrible event, series of events at penn state. and ask you whether you think, as a national figure, whether there is a role for congress to play in investigating this? where you think the national conversation has to go fm here on what has happened at penn state? >> well, there's a national

conversation, and the lens that i look at this through is as a mother. i'm a mother of five biological children and 23 foster children, and my heart is, i think reflective of that of the american people. this is so horrific on the level of a parent. i think about my children. if that was my child. and i think my automatic reaction would be, even though i'm a sll woman, i'd want to go find that guy and beat him to a pulp. i think that's what any parent would want to do when they think about tir child. but clearly, this very high profile now, as it should be. and i have no doubt that this will, with this level of scrutiny, justice willbe done. and this is a state matter. it needs to stay at the state level. and i think that it's good that the media is paying a lot of attention to this, because this should ver happen to any ild. >> just one more on this. you say it's a state matter. as you know, the department of education is looking into is, as well, to see ifhere w an area wher federal law applies. do you think it's a matter for

congress to get involved in? as you know, congss can look at anything. they did in terms of steroids. they can look at it in terms of institutional abuse, or conspiracy of silence. >> ll, i thin that the pendulum swings, and when something horrific happens, people's automic reaction is somebody needs to do something. but it doesn't necessarily mean that this issue should be kicked up to congre. i really do believe this needs to stay exactly in the jurisdiction where the offense occurred. congress has a lot of other things to pay attention to, but i think this needs to be handled, and again, i think this one place, the media gets beaten up a lot, but i think this is exactly where the media is needed more than ever, to bring light on to this situation. th's the best thing that can be done. >> all rig. et me switch gears now and talk about the important isues of this campaign, as well. and talk about your standing in the campaign. here's a flyer that you are circulating, and as a key point it makes, it is that i a the one, true conservative in the

race, and i can win. you've got a book coming out, and here's the cover of it, "core of conviction: my story." what is the distinguishing character, as a conservative, betweenou and mitt romney? >> ell, i think the distinguishing characteristic is that i have been consistent throughout my career. i'm 55 years old. i spent 50 years in the real world, and then 5 years in the lion's den in washington, d.c., fighting against out ofhe yacht of control spending. probably the number one thing between governor romney and myself, it's not personal, it's just issues, would be the fact that i was the lead opponent of president obama's obama care. that's the vernment takeover health care. governor romney instituted that program in massachusetts, and i think it's highly unlikely to think that he will be the one who will be able to fully repeal oba care as president of the united states. i brought 40,000 americans to

washington, d.c. to fight against the ilementation of obama care. i have the commitment. and i also wrote the law, the legislation, to repeal obama care. so i have that core of conviction. and i'll see this through. so that we can get back to patient-centered care. and really the real issue is to bring costs down in health care. unfortunately, that's not what obama care brought. >> as you know, the president's senior adviser david plouffe said on this program about mitt romney, he has, quote, no core. do you agree with that? >> well, there's certainly a sharp contrast between myself and governor romney. he has been pro-choice. i am pro-life. he has been for marriage between people of the same sex. i am for marriage between one man and one woman. obama care, obviously. if you go issue after issue, governor romney has been on both sides o the issues. i've been on one side of the issues. i make no apologies. and that why i say i have a core of conviction. and of all ofthe candidates in

the race, you won't find any surprises. an that's why i invite your viewers to goo nosurprises about 2012.com. and that website shows the comre and contras between the candidates. there's no surprises with me. so nosurprises2012.com. >> onef the surprises in this race were sexual harassment allegationsgainst herman cain. his lawyer said this week that other women ould, quote think twice before making allegations. youtalk about yourself as a woman in the race, as a mom in the race are these disqualifying allegations, in your mind, if proven to be true, for herman cain? >> well, of course, that would be forheoters to decide. but, that is -- that' something that would have to b proven. because on one hand, it's a terrible thing to be falsely accused of something that yo didn't do. but on the other hand, women have the right to be protected in the workplace. and so ultimately, it really depends on the truth of these allegations. i have no information about

that. so i don't have anything i can share. but i think that, aga, that would be up to the voters to dede. this race, if anything, david, has proved to be extremely fluid. the voters have not made up their minds. this is wide open. it's a state by state race. it's iowa first, then new hampshire, then south carolina and on florida. and that's what we're paying attention to, is the schedule of these early primaries. d i think that we have a very good chance, after all, i won the iowa straw poll in less time than any other candidate in the history of the straw poll. and i'm the first woman to win the iowa straw poll. >> let me ask you about this. you had a lot of momentum after that but it seemed to beaken away when rick perry got into the race. you fell down to the polls. you're now at 4% in our most recent poll and yet rick perry appears to be stumbling. how do you get back to a place where you're in that top tier? >> david, that's a very good question. i think doing exactly what we're doing right now. i'll be getting on a plane and flying back to iowa from south carolina today.

and what we're doing is meeting with people on the ground. we have very good organization in iowa. we have a lot of identified supporters. and so we need to do the very hard worof meeting people and greetig people, talking to them, listening to them, and organizing. because wa is a caucus state. it's getting your actual supporters out to the caucus, and then they make their decision. it's a great form of government. it's true grassroots politics. then from there on to new hampshire and on to south carolina. so we're doing exactly what we can do, and i think that the momentum is turning in our dirtion. >> so let's take a few minutes and talk about a few quick issues. foreign policy was the topic last night at the debas. you said yo would reinstate waterboarding in terms of how etainees, interrogated detainees, are treated when they are in -- held captive, held prisoner. u went on to say the folling here about the president's foreign policy. watch. >> today, under barack obama, he

is allowing the aclu to run the cia. it is as though we have decided we want to lose in the war on terror under president obama. that's noty strategy. >> that the president almost wanted to lose the war on terror. did you feel that way after he killed osambin laden, ordering that raid? do you fe that way after he ordered more drone attacks on terrorists in pakistan thathe previous administration? >> thosere good, tactical moves that were made. and those, i think all americans would agree with. buthe bigger picture, the strategic blunders that this administration has made have had a profound consequences. i mea this is what we need to understand. we are conducting a war on terror. but what we have -- we have no jails for terrorists. so what this means is either we kill them, or we release them. >> but that'sotrue. >> we also have no authority -- >> we have guantanamo bay. we have som secret prisons that have remned open. that's simply been looked at and

found to be not true. and there are other ways that they can actually be hel for some smaller perio of time on ships, on navy ships in the region, as well. >> we all know that that isn't a long-term solution to this problem. we aren't adding any new terrorists to guantanamo bay. we only have khalid shaikh mohammed, the admitted mastermind of 9/11, who is at guantanamo bay and others, as well. but we don't have a place to put al qaeda when we pick them up. it's either catch and release. which is a terrible idea. or we have to kill them. what we need to win this war on terror is interrogation. this is where my comment about the aclu comes . because today, the cia is no longer able to go through the interrogation that yielded such profitable information that saved american lives. that's what i' interested in. >> but you realize -- >> saving american lives and winning the war on terror. >> you say that -- >> this is say real fference. the only thing -- let me add

this. >> yes. >> the only thing that we have available to us today is the army field manual. that's online. so, terrorists can go ahead and read ahead of time what will happen to them when we capture them. and it's really ostensibly, when we capture them today, it's a slap on the wrist. i want to save american lives, and that's why i want the cia to have every interrogation tool available to them so that we can win the war on terror. >> one more thing. congresswoman, one more. you say the aclu is taking over the cia, it's run now by general david petraeus. >> their philosophy. their philosophy. i agree -- >> i understand what you're saying. let me just make the point. your view that waterboarding should be reinstituted, you underand that puts you at odds with most of the generals, okay, the former republican nominee of your party john mccain, general colin powell, you realize you're on the opposite end of whathey believe. do you not trust them and their views? >> well, but -- but i'm on the same side as vice president

cheney on this issue, and others, as ell. beuse, again, what we're looking at is at will save american lives. and that's what the most important thing is. we've got to decide that we want toefeat the terrorists. and when we make that decision, we need to -- we need to employ the methods that willest help us to defeat them. and president obama is not doing th. again, president obama was given a war that is won in iraq. and he's choosing to lose the peace. that's a desecration of th memory of 4,400 americans that gave their lives to liberate iraq. and also, over $800 billion that we have expended. i believe that iraq should pay us back fo the money that we spent, and i believe that iraq should pay the families that lost a loved one. several million dollars per life. i think at minimum. this is a terrible situation that the president has left the

war on terror in. >> all right. we're going to leave it there. more discussion to come. congresswoman, thank you. >> thank you. more decision 2012. the head of the democratic national committee, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, on the president's reelection efrts. and a loomin super committee deadline on the debt. can the party unite to make the case for anher four years for president obama? and later, a special conversation with did brooks and e.j. dionne on the national outrage sparked in the wake of the c cld abuse scandal at penn state. - i volunteered. - i was drafted. - i enlisted. - i was nervous. - and there i was in asia. - europe. - the gulf. - and i saw things. - incredible things. - and people you never forget. - i did my job. - for my country. - my buddies. - for total strangers. - and i was proud. - so grateful. - for my family. - my freedom. for all who served and all who serve,