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if ♪ spm 'tis the season for tv show to brick out holiday programming. i'm laura with this week dish scoop and raising hope that takes on a wonderful life. >> is where hope in where is all our stuff. >> i told you. there is no hope. >>reporter: in the episode title it's hopeful life demi played by lock as alternate reality means daughter hope was never born and mom is the ghost of smaingt past. >> tell me about the christmas episode without hope. >> i think it's a great episod episode. we have l fast feud and lovely to see her at 350 pounds. >> stop yelling. is you are not the only one this got hammered last night. >> mom. huge. >> really sainty little romp. >> dit disif i into the holiday

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[captioning made possible by nbc universal] >> i am sara gore and misses open house. george is giving broke shoats and broadway dressing room makeover, coldwell banker is getting into the holiday spirit, we go to a beach house in malibu. first, with the designer who shares her budget-friendly tips for an elegant abode. >> i picked this up a secondhand store. you'll be amazed what it called a can of paint can do to an old piece of furniture or an antique. >> welcome to "open house." whether you are buying, selling, redesigning, or just dreaming, we've got you covered. today i am coming to you from an oppressive 4100 square-foot, three-bedroom condominium loft in manhattan. three different exposures, this

apartment is flooded with sunlight and beautiful views. let's start off and long island city with an interior decorator who has a refreshing apartment. she shares her trade secrets to the cheating pelicans on a budget. take a look. >> i am from the elegant abode. people think you to spend a lot of money and decorating your space. i will show you how to achieve an elegant look on a budget. elegance to me is creating a soft and sophisticated home with touches of glamour and trauma, but ultimately, livable. i have mixed difference periods of furniture. invest money in a really adorable, a large piece of furniture that can last. you can mix and match as long as you keep the pilot neutral and

helps create a more lived in feel. i picked up this antique mirror and a secondhand store. i put a little paint on it and bring some old peace back to life. you'll be amazed what can of paint can do. keep your eye out for young artists at st. fares and markets to pick some relief and pieces up for your home. -- st. fares and markets to pick up some really fine pieces for your home. candles and fresh flowers, create drama and an inexpensive way to make your space sophisticated and elegant. this kitchen has a lot of character but about a lot of storage space. i have this in expensive kitchen cart that creates additional storage and a great prep area for cooking. this did not have any storage space underneath so i picked up in expensive fabric and took it to my local taylor. that is something you can do.

it creates extra storage. dining rooms in new york are hard to come by. if you have one, plalaat the space. create an accent wall with family portraits and fund artwork. i mixed and matched different frames but kept the palette in gold and white tones to make an elegant and chic. to not be afraid to mix and match old and modern frames. i pick these up at an antique store. i painted them the same color to creep in it he's of look. a can of paint can be your best friend. people often do not think a nursery is an elegant. there's no reason to throw your style out the door. i used my daughter's choice to excess arise the room and kept a consistent with the rest of the house. it reminds me that my baby lives here. i bought at basic crib, got a

custom skirt made to add a touch of glamour and class. i picked up lettering you can find anywhere. it personalizes the space. this is an inexpensive land turned i picked up from ikea. it creates soft light in the room. we are in my master bedroom. they should be sitting spaces. one of my favorite looks is mixing metallic pieces with soft, neutral, vintage items like here with my lamp. of a custom headboard that a mixed with vintage pieces of furniture i brought back to life with a fresh can of paint. sometimes keeping it simple as keeping its elegant. by mixing vintage and modern, you can achieve elegant space by keeping the pot soft and simple. pelican's does not have to have a high price tag.

-- elegance does not have to have a high price tag. >> i loved it. before we take a break, here's a sneak peek at what is coming up. >> era these things that happened in this tiny space. i'm looking to make it functional and peaceful. >> this kitchen combined what i call the reverse aquarium we're sitting in the room and every day you feel like the fish are looking at you. > >> now we had to chicago,

surprisingly large outdoor space for the city. listed at nearly $5 million, it has a wealth of impressive amenities. >> hello. welcome to our home at 1924 north orchard street and a lincoln park neighborhood of chicago. the originally built the house 24 years ago, then nine years ago, decided to completely renovate it. from the foyer, we entered the dining room. it is intimate space. the walls are upholstered in velvet. together, this adds warmth and texture to the room. in the living room, one of my favorite features is the 19-foot ceiling. to make the room more cozy, we selected three french

chandeliers which helped define the multiple seating areas. during the day, the room is bright and cheerful. at night, romantic and glamorous. family members and guests always seem to end up in the kitchen. the island is perfect for eating breakfast and snacks, but we prefer to keep the wheels in our breakfast room which is quiet and away from the activities -- we prefer to eat our mills in the breakfast room, which is quite and away from the activities. this is where we have family mills and casual entertainment with friends. this is our family room where we hang out and watch tv. we designed the space with storage in mind. in addition to using this as a media room, we conceit 30 people for dinner. the master suite is over 1000 square feet. it includes the bedroom, sitting

room, and yoga room. we wanted a better room to be a serene retreat, so we chose the grass cloth walls and fabrics with soothing colors. with a very special outdoor space, two city lots in an extra 300 square feet and no alley. i had a great time showing you our house. i hope you enjoyed the tour. thank you for visiting our happy home. >> coming up, the folks at coldwell banker are getting a jump start on the holiday season. jump start on the holiday season. later, george wrestles brooke

>> with the holidays fast approaching, the experts at coldwell banker are getting into the spirit early this year. we take the lowdown on what your home needs for your holiday season. >> i am suzanne armstrong and i work for coldwell banker is a realtor. we took a poll and ask the american people the importance of their home during home bases sen. what we found is 40% of americans have over 15 people,

friends and relatives, staying with them during the holiday season. >> my family is huge. everybody comes to my house. >> we always have a big dinner over and we open presence on gift -- on christmas eve. >> you have about three-quarters of the people doing decorating. >> i love to decorate. we have already started. >> more than one christmas tree, the mantle decorated, my children expect it. >> when we asked which brings up the living room, den, kitchen or dining room the use the most for the holidays, we found out it was an even split between the living room and the kitchen and only about 15% were using the dining room. you may want to consider getting a lock on your present closet. we found there are actually about 25% of those who snoop.

>> especially christmas eve we have to lock everything down. >> we also took a look at coldwellbanker.com. interesting facts. we start seeing the listings including descriptions such as holiday treats, decorations, family gatherings. it gives people an idea they could see themselves in these homes. i think that family gatherings are a great time to reminisce about the past and plan for the future. you might want to get into a conversation with mom and dad about whether there with -- wanting to downsizize or talk to your kids about where they want to move, planning on having grandchildren. it is a good time to contact your coldwell banker representative for ideas about where you may want to go. that way, you are ready for the spring market. everyone here at coldwell

banker wishes to a happy holiday season. >> it is time to start making that list and checking it twice. still ahead, and look inside a malibu masterpiece on the beach. later, george is transforming work shields' dressing room. >> "open house" is brought to in part by coldwell banker real estate. coldwell banker, we never stop moving. visit us today at moving. visit[ male announcer ] citibank's new app for ipad makes it easy for anne to view her finances from anywhere. like gate d12 for the next three hours. citibank for ipad. easier banking. standard at citibank. really? [ male announcer ] kate uses her citibank debit card because kate knows there are some things you shouldn't be charged for. refill? i'm ok. [ male announcer ] so does that guy. the citibank debit card with no monthly fee.

easier banking. standard at citibank. >> welcome back to "open house." next, with a to the uber lux digs on malibu. it has so much to offer, you have to see it for yourself.

>> welcome to one of the coolest houses in malibu. as you enter the house, you get the essence of my design. it was created when he started the fund and then all of the sudden you take in the majesty of the location. -- is started in the front and then you all of the sudden taken the majesty of the location. this is a backdrop for the project. this house is made up these forever views mixed with what we call malibu casual but contemporary style. like every home, the heart is the kitchen. especially in this case, we have two large islands. then we use these incredible

materials of walnut, caesars down, stainless steel, and this kitchen combined what i call the reverse aquarium, where you're sitting in the room and every day you feel like the fish are looking at you. this man of a cent stairway looks into the front entry card and and also the most sculptural part of the house. it was designed as an art gallery, exposing the incredible natural light at this level. in the master suite we really want to take advantage of this incredible location. it has got the reviews and the nature surrounded to make a special place. it does not have to be large. it includes the balcony's in the expanse of glass area on the walls mixed with these materials, making one of the nicest master suites in all of california. this man of some bathroom where

we make sure we're taking in spanish of the great view. the tub is is cultural element, surrounded by the same concrete we have outside. we took it inside to make it a part of the house. i named this room the pebble beach room. it is incredible. you look to the cypress trees, to westward beach. you take in all of nature. most days you see birds flying at eye level. this is a great room. i hope you have loved this malibu beach house as much as i have enjoyed designing it. it is the one house you will never want to leave. >> after the break on "the rescue" -- >> i am

>> welcome back to "open house." next, we are in the great white way and brooke shields dressing room. george. some new life to the small and cluttered space so it is easier to transform into her character.

>> brooke shields is currently starting in "the addams family" on broadway. i'm going to see if i can help permit the most of her small space. -- help her make the most of her small space. >> i am broke shields. i am currently playing the role of morticia on broadway. you really always have to make the most whether you are on tour or in one of these beautiful theaters. you have to make the most of small surroundings. i was faced with this very intimate space where i put my makeup on and i have to do my warm-up and i have to change my clothes. there are these things that happen in this very tiny space.

i am looking to make it functionalnd peaceful and find ways you can make the most out of a space that seemingly is void of all possible construction. >> this is her dressing room. it is white, baron, in a storage and it is tiny. >> i cannot believe how small it is. i'm thinking soft colors and personality, and in terms of storage, i want to make storing a little more fun. shelving, you know, make it a form of art. >> i think we have a game plan. let's get to work. >> let's do it. >> george, i cannot believe you make me work.

>> tight space, cannot bring in that many people, so all hands on deck. this is a concept rug. you guys make everything. >> except food. >> i always make her do the heavy lifting. that is just how we roll. when you're in a small space or any space, multi-purpose furniture. one of the problems the fridge was too low. where a lifting a but also putting a on this little table that has -- >> some storage. >> they have a very unsightly

air-conditioner in her room. we will cover it up at this canvas. make it nice and personal. if you need the air conditioner, just move it. >> and it is very light. >> even i can carry it. >> when your successor rising as space, you want to make it a little personal. we're bringing in some pictures and other items to get her into character. >> the show must go on. we have to give this back to brooke. >> let's go. >> oh, my god! >> i am loving it. this is so perfect.

you access to rise to it, too. >> because it is you, but you transform into morticia addams. >> and it is twice the size. this is fabulous. this will be myspace and not invaded or uncomfortable and i will be able to warm up, get dresesd in here, and hopefully, by performance will be enhanced. oh! this is perfect, absolutely perfect and delightful. i want to show everyone. a >> bring in the entire cast. enjoy. > episode of "open house." join us next week for top

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this sunday, about last night in iowa. >> the only reason we didn't get a career politician is he lost to ted kennedy in 1994. >> i'm not a bomb thrower, rherically or literally. >> the replicans square off just 23 days befo the caucus. candidate ron paul joins me to discuss the latest gop front-runner newt gingrich. bu his own prospect in the state where he's now polling in the top tier. could paul be the upset winner? then, what'sriving this presidential election? the payroll tax debate grips washington, but, president obama argues inco equality is the larger issue. >> this is the defining issue of our time. this is a make or break moment for the middle class. >> a debate this morning. with us, the majority leader of the senate senator chris bourbon, democrat of illinois. and senator lindsey graha republican of south carolina. finally, our political

roundtable, on what's changed in the gop race for the white house this week, and what distinguishes romney from gingrich. with us, specia correspondent ted koel, republican strategist, alex castellanos. nbc's senior investigative correspondent lisa myers. and nbc' chief white house correspondent chuck todd. also joining the conversation this morning, iowa's republan governor, terry branstad. good morning. what a difference a month makes. newgingch is now the undisputed fronrunner in the republican race, he's atop the polls in iowa and new hampshire, and look at this, this morning we have new results from our nbc/maris poll, sth carolina and florida, it is gingrich going away in both of those states. as the front-runnr, gingrich bore the brunt of the attacks in

last night's republican debate in iowa and here with us live this morning, dr. ron paul, the texas congressman and ndidate for present, of course. dr. paul, welcome back to the program. >> thank you, david. good to be with you. >> did newt gingrich do anything to diminish his chances in iowa last night? >> well, i don't know whether he did it. but i thinkecause he had to face a lot of serious questions about, you know, his change in positions, and what he has to defend, i would think that he shouldn't have gained from tha but that remains to be seen. i guess somebody's going to do a poll rather quickly. but, you knw, we've had people, you kno leading the ck off and on this whole past year, so it will be interesting to see just what happens. in the next week or two. >> the question of who is the consistent conservative. the issue of him receiving payments from freddie mac, the mortgage giant. this was the subject of were you took him on last night, and his response. watch. >> he's been on different positions, you know, on some of

the issues. single payer. he's taken some positions that are not conservative. he sported the t.a.r.p. fund. and the other thing, really, which really annoyed a lot of people, he received a lot of money from freddie mac. in a way, newt, i think you obably got some of our taxpayers money. they got money and they're still getting bailed out. you're a spokesman for them, and you received money for it. >> i was never a spokesman for any agency. i never did any lobbyin for the agency. i offered strategic advice. i was in the private sector. and i was doing things in the private sector. >> congressm paul, this week you said that gingrich should apologize for taking that money. are you satisfied with how he anwered that last night? >> no, not really. but what can you do in politics. that's the besthe could do with it. but the crowd dn't wcome his answer very well. because, viously, it is seen being playing a role of influce. and a lot of money -- what was

it, $1.6 million that he received. this is the epitome of the bailouts and the problems. knowing me a little bit more because it was a subject i had worked on for so long, having been on the financial services committee. and deals so much in the formation of bubbles and why we have distortions and why we have recessi recessns. so this was rather annoying. then we also, you know, tried to make the point, well, it's the federal reserve that causes the business cycle. which is coect. but i'll tell you what, when you make the credit, someby has to distribute it and somebody has to benefit. and it was fannie mae and freddie mac d they're ststl in business of receiving taxpayers money. it's a deeply flawed system. you can't expect a housing bubble and a correction from that to resolve itself, and until we look at this in a more serious manner. >> let's pin you down on this. you were very direct about this this week. should he give the money back? should he apologize for receiving the money from freddie mac? >> well, legally, he doesn't have to. but i wod think morally, him

having received this money, yeah, i wouldn't -- i wouldn't have taken their money. you know, just for the fact at i think it was an immoral thing to take money. besides i don't like this idea that you're going to influence somebody that is a pseudo governme agency. and this is my argument over the many years that because they got subsidies and they had a line of credit, and they were guaraeed a bailout it was written all over that this would come about, because it was artificial, there was a line of credit, and the fed was involved, so it was, as far as i'm concerned, abouts aclose to the government as you can ge to call that private is not exactly accurate. >> les come back to the key point in the debate last night. who is the conste conservative? the issue came up about health care, and support for an individual mandate in massausetts, by governor romney. whether he supported it nationally, as is the case in

the president' health care legislation. something that gingrich supported, as well, in the early '90s. it was michele bachmann who tk them on as whether they're real conservatives, coining a phrase, newt/romney. listen. >> you want a difference, michele bachmann is the proven conservative. it's not newt romney. >> i know newt gingrich, and newt gingrich is a friend of mine. but he and i areot clones. i promise. >> do you buy that? who is the real conservative out of those two. you have to go through one or both of them to win in iowa. >> well, i think they come from the me mold. they're about the same. they're both on the defensive. they're both explaining themselves. and i even said that last night. why should we have a nominee that's going to spend most of their time explaining themselves and deciding what position they wereon and when. i think that's too much on the defensive. and i think, if you're coistent, it speaks for

itself. you know,body ev challenges me to at. but i don't have to brag about it, either. because everybody knows exactly what i'm going to do. exactly what i've done for 30 years. so it goes without speaking about it. >well, but i just want to be clear on this point, you consider bot gingrich and romney unacceptable as consiste conservatives? >> well, i would say they're not consistent. i think they more or less admitted that. they've chang their positions. it's t that they're in denial. it's just that they admit that they were onne side of the position here, and on the other side of a position on another time. i think that's -- i think pretty clearly understood. it's just that that's not considered, you ow, a litmus test. it seems like people are rather tolerant -- ten years ago but he doe't do it now. >> congressman, you've been tough up in iowa. you do go afte gingrich, flip-flopping, being all over the place on issues, like

climate change, when he cut an ad with nancy pelosi. you never specifically go after romney. are you more comfortable with romney as the standard bearer of the party should it come t that, should you not beatim? >> well, i think the philosophies are pretty close. but you kno i think the answer that was given last night, i think romney comes back a little more diplomatic. i think that he handles himself a little differently than newt. and newt, you know, newt's living up to this. matter of fact, he's addressed the subject. he is a very detmined peon, and can rub people the wrong way. i don't think he's sayg that he doesn't do that. i think mitt has a little bit of a more diplomatic tone to his voice. >> well, who represents more change? who represents change in the way that republican primary voters want? >> you mean out of the -- >> out of those two. >> well, but start withish- >> i don't know, you have to go through.

>> no, i don't think either one of them represents change. matterof fact, i've always categorized all my opponents as fitting into one category. they more or less support the status quo. i mean, how many of them are challenging the foreign policy? ow many challenge, you know, the monetary system? how many people challenge the welfare system? how many want real cuts? nobody else is offering real cuts, you ow, i spending. and i offer real cuts. so i would say they're all a variation of defending the status quo. and i think that's why there's so much frustration, and people are hopping around, they're looking for somebody, and i think,uite frankly, that might be the reason we're going up in the polls, and you know, we ill have a few weeks to go, so we'll ve to waitnd see what happens. >> let me ask you about foreign policy, since you raised it. last night it was gingrich, who first made news on saturday b saying t palestinians were, in his words an inventive people, and he defded that lastight saying that there are major elements of the palestinian leadership that are committed to israel's destruction, and he added this --

>> somebody oughto have the courage to te the truth. these people are terrorists. they teach teorismn their schools. theyave textbooks that sayf there are 13 jews and 9 jews are killed, how many jews are lef we pay for those textbooks through our aid money. it's fundamentally time for somebody to have the guts to stand up and say, enough lying out the middle east. >> is that courage? is that speaking the truth? or is that pandering to evangelical christians in iowa? >> well, well, i think it's -- it was purely a political statement. but i think it demonstrates my point and makes my position very clear. hat, there all the harm done is not only on one side, and that fight has been going on in that part of the world f a long time. and i remember so clearly what ronald reagan said when he got messed up in lebanon. he said that if he had been more neutral, and folwed neutrality and had not put thearines in there, ose marines would still be alive. in other words, he's saying the politics of tt region, these

were his words, the politicsre irrational. the irrationity of the politics there. and that's why i think it's such a wise thing to do, to follow our founders, and not pretend the know who the bad ppl are, and who's saying the bad things, and one side perfectlre, and the other side are only theterrorists. a lot of people die over there. a lot of people die on both sides. and i don't think we have the wisdom to sort atout, nor do we have the authority to sort that out, and so put our will. i think that region should be determined by the individuals there. i don' think that israel should ever sacrife their sovereignty to us, i think that's what they have done. they can't do much. they can't exexend their border or design their peace treaties without getting permission from us. and i think we should defend the sovereignty of israel, and not confuse things and ma things worse by demagoguing it,and saying exactly who is to blame and who isn't to blame.

>> beforeou go, congressman, let me ask you about the strength of your following. mi romney acknowledged it last night, saying everywhere he goes in iowa, yur supporters are there. and he respects that. if you don't prevail in iowa, or don't prevail to get the nomination, will you endorse? >> oh, i have no idea. i'll wait and see about that. it depes on howthe platform works out, and you know, i was bragging a little bit last night when they asked us about our home aff there and i was very pleased that some of them are starting to tuesday a ttle bit of the language i used. we'llait and see howhings go. and are willing to change their potions and have in the past, so i'll keep my fingers crossed and see what happens. but my main goal is to ok to january 3rd and january 10th, and we' doing well, so it's premature for me to be talking about what i'm going to do after january 10th until we find out exactly how this plays out. >> you he endorsed in the past the libertarian candidate, as somebody outside the twparty system. are you ruling out a third-party

run at any point? >> i have no plans to do that. >> are you ruling it out? >> i -- i'm not going to le anything out, or anything in. i don't talk in absolutes, and i stated in my position that we really have a very nice campaign going on, and people are recognizing this, and we have thousands of young people now that are cpaigni for us, and the turnouts are just fantastic. f me the distractions -- >> well, to the point are you open to a third party run? >> i am not even thinking about it. >> but you won't rule it out complete ply? >> because i have enough on my plate riht now. i mean, we have a lot of campaigning to do, and we're gointo be very, very busy in these next couple weeks. that is what i'm concentrating o and we're going to see what happens. >> all right, congressman paul, will be following the debate very closely. thank you so much. >> you're welcom >> joining me now, assistt

majority leader in the senate dick durbin, the democrat of illinois. also lindsey grahm, republican of south carolina. welcomeo you both. i want to debate income equality but senor graham i want to startith you and talk politics. it's a big focus. you saw that dete last night in iowa, and in your state, as i just referenced a moment ago, is newt gingrich going away in south carolina, over his rivals romney and ron paul. is he for real? >> yeah i think if the election were held tomorrow he'd win south rolina, and i s bits and pieces of the debate. it's clear to me that newt gingrich has established himself as the republican front-runner, and, yeah, he's for real. >> is he different? you said that you talked to him, you feel like he's gidifferent than he was. what's changed? >> well, you know, las night he took a lot of the shots. i thought he handled it all well. he was very calm. you know, he's been out of government for a long time. he's matured as a person. he's reattached himself his

face. he seemed to be -- wead a good conveation about energy policy, talked about the pat. you know the coup started in my office so obviousle guy doesn't hold grudges. i think he's leveled out as a person. and all of us, evencritics say newt is a guy that can really hold a room, a very smart fell and he and presidentlinton did some good things together, welfare reform, balancing the budget, s you know, during his time a lot of good things go done, and he had troubles, too. >> quickly before i move on, you led the coup against him as speaker back in the house is what you're referring to. would yoendorse him for president now? >> i'm not going to endorse him. but i think he could beat president obama, and i would certainly support him as president if he won the nomination. think we're in a good spot to win this election. it is our ection to se. >> will you endorse somebody else -- >> policies. >> will you endorse anyone? >> i dn't know, david. i don't think so. i really had a real, close relationship with senator cain. i don't have that with the

people in the field. i like them all. i hopeon paul does well. and if he doesn't make it, i hope he'll help us as a party defeat president obama, because we can't stand four more years of the policies that are in place now. so i hope ron paul will help us as a party defeat president obama. >> aspposed to you running as a third party candidate. >> yeah, you know, but ron paul in the party is real,e has a lot ofenthusiasm. we're better tether. we have a common political desire, to e obama's policies. not four more years of things that are clearly hurting the country. and you're not going to be better off with a second term obama. clearly you're not betterff and i don't see any hope of people being better off. and i hope r paul will help us make that case. >> senator durbin, let me turn to you. again, income equality is a big debate. before we get to the broader points, let's talk abo the news. that is the payroll tax cut exten. this isomething that republicans, democrats are debating now.

is this going to happen? will it get extended? >> can tell you, did, it's the highest priority of the president and the democrats in congress. we're talking about a payroll tax cut for almost 0 million americans. what it comes down to for the averag illinoisan is about $1000 a year. if congress fails to extend the payroll tax cut, it's a new tax, an added tax nxt year for average working people. what the president said in nsas really applies to this debate. this is a make or break moment for the middle class. and to this point, the republicans haveconsistently said they will refuse to increase the taxes on the wealthiest people in america one penny, if that's what it takes to make sure that working families get payroll tax cut. it is a clear, defining oment, a contrast between the parties, that the president made clear, ande have said, for example, we will exempt the first million dollars in income for the

wealthiest in america and just put a sur tax on the second million dollars they earn each year and the republicans said no. they refuse to allow it -- >> finish your poin senator. >> they ruse to allow us to use this millionaire's surtax whether it's to save the jobs of teachers and firefighte and policemen, or invest in america, in infrastructure, and what they've said is, these are the job creators. in fact, what we know now is that among small business people in america about 1% make money at thislevel, $1.5 million a year. in order to protect that 1% of small business owrs -- >> okay. >> -- and to protect the 1% of taxpayers they are turning down a tax cut for working families. >> senator graham, republicans in the house are singfyou want this tax cut extension you've got to do more. and they talk about the keystone pipeline. let's show the map of this. this would be an oil pipeline that would be extended. it goes from alberta all the way dodo south and the dotted portion would be the extension.

environmentalists are opposed to it, the administraon says no, we'll take this up after the election. does this have to be part of the equation to ultimately get a payroll tax cut extension? >> i think the house's package that does extend the payroll tax cuts h a lot of things i would support like the pipeline, and other regulatory reform. but at e en of the day the payroll tax will get extended as it is now. it won't g expanded. it will getextended. and we'll find a way to pay for it in a bipartisan fashion, this id of taxing one group to pay for a x cut for another isnot going to fail. the pipeline's probably not going tofail. and it is important that we xtend the tax cuthrough next year. but it's even more important we come up with sustainable policies that will rn america around. and this idea, what is a fair share, david? tel me, pica nuer. tell me. ell the american people, what should the top income earners, what should the top rate be?

pick a number and tell me wt's fair. >> let me talk in that vein about the middle class. the fight for the middle class, as the president talked about this week. and so people understand, here are some quick facts that really go to this question of income inequality and the fight forthe middle class. on earnings and sings, incomes have stagnated while wealthy incomes have skyrocketed. on housing, equities in home values, half of 2006 levels. retirement, a quarter say they will ne work until at least age 80 to liveomfotably in retirement. this is a point t president made this week in kansas. watch. >> but for most amecans, the basic bargain thatade this country great has eroded. long bore the recession hit, hard work stopped paying off for too many people. fewernd fewerfhe folks who contributed to the success our economy actually benefited from that success.

>> and yet wealthy americans, he went on to say, have gone on to do better. senator graham, is the issue, as the president argued, income inequality? or is it something more fundamental? or is it national decline? >> i think the issue is that there's failure -- he's got a failed presidency,nd he didn't talk about the thingshe h done to make america a stronger, better place, in a bipartisan fashion. ronald reagan sat down wi tip o'neill to solve problems. bill cnton sat down wit newt gingrich to balance the budget and end welfare as we know it. this whole speech is about pitting one group of americans against the other. and his policies are t biggest threat to the hard-working americans. yore a union guy, the pipeline would be good for you because it would create 20,000 jobs. the nlrb in hands of this administration, almost cost a fality in south carolina that would have cost 10,000 hard-working soutcarolinians eir jobs because of union politics. the environmental policies