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well, today we're talking about one of the most bizarre, most tragic chain of events to hit the headlines in years. two mysterious deaths within days of each other. first, 6-year-old max schacknai, mysteriously falls over a second story bannister in the family mansion leaving him on life support. then two days later, his father's girlfriend, rebecca zahau, is found hanging naked and bound from the guest room balcony in the mansion's court yard. now, max's death was ruled an accident. rebecca's ruled a suicide. her family vehemently disagreed that rebecca would ever take her own life. they appeared on our show last year looking for answers. >> 911 emergency. >> 32-year-old rebecca zahau was found hanging nude and bound

from a balcony the mansion's court yard. >> the body was found day after her boyfriend's son took a fall at the home would end his life. >> according to family members, rebecca zahau was watching over max tonight. she was dating the father for two years. >> our office concluded the m manner of death was suicide. >> dr. phil: you feel like they didn't follow the evidence or the signs. >> that's correct. >> as soon as i found out that she was naked and she was bound, it confirmed my fear that she did not commit suicide. she was murdered. they did not give my sister a fair investigation. >> they didn't look at a pair of women's underwear in the guest house. >> dr. phil: how did she tie her hands behind her back with that

elaborate knotting? >> it was a magician to do this. >> dr. phil: i want to find answers. >> in this case, there's nothing that indicates that this woman committed suicide. >> dr. phil: one neighbor said his wife heard screams? >> yes. how she described it, i heard a woman calling for help. the neighbor on the other side of the house repeats the same thing. we have two independent people that went to the authorities and was discounted. >> dr. phil: now, all of this led to the family's decision to exhume the body. to begin the process of disinterment, the earth was removed before her grave stone. the body is shipped across the country to one of the top forensic pathologists, dr. cyril wecht in pittsburgh. >> we picked dr. wecht because of his history in well known

cases like john f. kennedy, anna nicole smith. >> dr. phil: once the body arrives, the task of conducting the autopsy begins. >> i lean strongly towards a homicide and foul play and against it being a suicide. >> dr. phil: do you see in your opinion a basis for reopening this investigation and moving forward with all due effort to try to determine what happened? >> yes, dr. phil. very much so. >> dr. phil: since the show, rebecca's family has been fighting to get her case reopened. now in a shocking twist, max's mother, dina has come forward to say yes, it was murder, but she's not talking about rebecca's death. take a look. >> a new investigation says the son of a new pharmaceutical tycoon found dead in his mansion did not die by accident.

dina schacknai wants the case reopened and wants it relabelled as a homicide. >> max died and he was 6 years old. it was ruled an accident. things didn't add up. i believe there was more to it. joe and i shared equal parenting time. rebecca did live with jonah. i always had trust issues with rebecca. she neglected to share important information with me such as her legal name, the fact that she was married and she had a shoplifting arrest. i think she had issues with impulse control. jonah and i had an agreement. one is that rebecca would not take max across state lines by herself. number 2, she would not attend his school events and number 3, she wound be alone with max and a family member. the day of the accident, she with her sister.

i had these texts and a phone call. it was jonah saying max had an accident. when i arrived at the hospital, i was shocked. he was in a diaper. he had tubes coming out of every place in his body. they had a hole in it's he skull to release the fluids in his brain. i was completely unprepareto see that. each night i brought in dr. suess books for max. on july 13th, jonah came to the hospital and said rebecca committed suicide. >> the body was found hanging naked and bound. >> thursday night, my sister and i sat with him. we just tried to will him well. and then the friday morning, july 16th, he died. i never imagined max would die. i never imagined he wouldn't

walk out of the hospital. i had serious questions about whether max's death was accidental. the findings they presented never made sense to me. the scenario put forth is that he decided to run down the hall, jump over a railing or tripped and grabbed on to a chandelier, took the chandelier down and this accident culminated in his death. that was preposterous. max's center of gravity was too low. he wouldn't have went over that balcony. defies the laws of physics. >> 911 emergency. what are you reporting? >> my sister -- >> listening to the 911 tapes was very painful. i couldn't help but think why didn't she make the 911 call. i decided to go a different route to find the truth, wherever that would lead. the findings presented to me by the experts is worse than i imagined. it was a homicide which meant death at the hands of the other.

which means the last face he saw was the person that killed him. rebecca had direct involvement in max's death. >> dr. phil: you believe that your son's death was not an accident. and you never trusted rebecca with max. you had -- you had restrictions that you wanted adhered too -- there's things you didn't trust her. >> let me say, when i first met her, she didn't provide the name that she used in this country. as a mother, if you had your child go to a day care or school or teacher, anyone around children, you would be able to have background checks and just get a name. when i didn't get that, i felt a little -- as any mother would, a little nervous. i asked jonah and he agreed. we had three conditions. the three were that she not go across state lines or the airport, that she not go to school events and she not be

alone with max and one of her family members. just -- it was a temporary safety mechanism until she and i could talk. >> dr. phil: you were concerned she didn't give you the real name. you started doing checking. you said you couldn't find her until you did like your 30th google search. >> it was every single possible -- not just google. every background check imaginable that you can do, i tried. i could not find anything. >> dr. phil: you did find that she had been arrested for shoplifting. how did you bridge that she didn't give you the real name and that she had a shoplifting arrest. how does that relate to being violent with your son? >> i'm not -- this is i guess the -- i don't want to make that big leap. it was based on some of the things that she told the first responders. she couldn't remember when she turned him over or not when she -- when she, i guess, found him. there was just a lot of

inconsistencies -- >> dr. phil: not making common sense to you. >> yeah. i never had a chance to talk to her. >> dr. phil: up next, the forensic pathologist that suggested as dina is saying here that max's death was not an accident. in her expert opinion, she said someone may have helped him go over that railing. we're going to talk to her and ask why she concludes that when we come back. [applause] >> there's multiple scenarios that could explain rebecca's involvement without it being an intentional death. people can change their stories. the body does not lie. rebecca's story doesn't add up because of the inconsistencies. >> announcer: monday on an all-new "dr. phil." >> dr. phil: how well did you know this baby sitter? >> i never met her. >> dr. phil: you turned your kids over to a woman you never

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>> i just wanted to find out the truth about my son. i'm still max's mom even though he's not here and i have a duty as a parent just as if he were here to take care of him, find out what happened and follow this through to the end whatever it deems. >> dr. phil: that was dina schacknai whose 6-year-old son was in a coma after falling over a railing in his mansion. his baby sitter was found hanged. three days after rebecca was found hung, max passed away in the hospital. are their doctored connected? >> i got involved in this case when the attorneys for mrs. schacknai contacted me. it was early on right after max had died. many questions came up about the

quality of the investigation, specifically about the bio mechanics of how the injuries occurred to max. i was given the scene photos, the reports generated by the medical examiner, sheriff department, police department, witness interviews. it didn't make sense. the report generated by the bio mechanics expert, dr. gomez, had max going over the bannister when his center of gravity was way too low. the pattern of injuries on his body didn't match the report from the bio mechanics expert. several things at the scene that stand out. one of them is that the carpeting on the second story is thick pile carpeting. the scenario as proposed by the police department was that max was going at a high rate of speed on his razor scooter and that's how he somehow propelled himself over the bannister. the problem is that anybody who has ridden a scooter would know you can't go at a high rate of

speed on thick pile carpeting. the marks on max's body don't support this. number 1, there's a pattern of abrasions on his back, if you hold him upright would be like a number 7. the top of the 7 would correspond to the bannister if he was standing back against it. the center of gravity would be too low to go over. other marks don't match the scenario proposed by the police department. the police department's scenario has max grabbing on to the chandelier as he swings across the room and sliding down the opposite bannister. so why doesn't he have any abrasions on his hands or cuts on his hands? what i see on max is too much injury to be accounted for by an accidental scenario. they can't be explained by this scene without some sort of other person involvement. that would make it a homicide. the most likely scenario is that max was doing something on the

second floor and rebecca tried to discipline him or warn him and in the process lifted him up enough to go over the bannister. not intending to kill him. rebecca's story doesn't add up. it didn't add up that she couldn't remember whether he was face up or face down and whether she moved him. it didn't add up that she initially told police that she didn't know where he fell from. there's multiple scenarios that could explain her own involvement without it being an intentional death. i believe the police need to look at this case more carefully because of the inconsistencies between the scenarios and the injuries on the body. my heart breaks for rebecca's family. i don't want any of my opinions to mar their memory and their love for her. >> dr. phil: so you believe max was lifted over that railing? >> the bio mechanics indicate

there's no other way for him to go over the railing especially if he backed into it. he would collapse down. his center of gravity is too low. >> dr. phil: so somebody lifted him over was that -- >> i believe she had direct knowledge of or participation in. >> dr. melinek, i believe you said that rebecca witnessed it or saw it and she wasn't forthcoming with information. >> there were inconsistencies in her statement. number 1, she initially told the police that she hadn't seen max fall. yet later in the day she told dina's sister that he fell from the second story balcony. so she knew this. second inconsistency has to do with the fact that she said that the child said "ocean" which is the name of the dog as if to deflect attention, like the dog was somehow involved. max could not have said much of anything. i think he was immediately unconscious.

so there's major inconsistencies and problems in her statement that implicate her. but there's nothing on the body to suggest she intentionally did anything to max. there are injuries, there are multiple planes of injuries but i can't say for certain that this was murder as opposed to an involuntary man slaughter. >> dr. phil: with all due respect, you say there's no evidence on the body that suggested this. are you getting out of your lane in drawing some of the conclusions that you're suggesting here? you say you're not trained as a psychologist but i am. what i'm interested in, have you considered the possibilities that at the time that this woman was in shock that she becomes cognitively inefficient, gets confused, gets disoriented of the trauma at the time? >> absolutely. like i'm saying, that's another

explanation for her inconsistencies. regardless, the injuries on the body can't be explained by an accident. that's why i think the police department had to come up with this ridiculous scenario of him going like superman over the railing, going like a monkey with the chandelier and sliding down the opposite bannister. because they needed to explain all those plane of injuries. the problem with the physics doesn't add up. >> dr. phil: what would be their motive to do that? >> i think they had a scene that was not properly investigated in the first place. when max fell, it was initially assumed to be an accident. it was only when he came to the hospital that the doctors at the hospital say, this is too much injury. it doesn't match up. so they're the ones, the doctors at the hospital, blew the whistle and said we're going to call child protective services. so i wasn't the first one to raise concerns.

they were. >> dr. phil: does the physical evidence on the body suggest that he was beaten in some way before the fall? >> i think there was physical involvement to get him up over the bannister and cause some of the trauma, especially to his face. but not like an assaultive beating. >> dr. phil: okay. dina and rebecca's family have requested not to interact directly with each other in sensitivity and respect for their individual losses. i'm going to honor that request. i'll excuse you while they're out here and we'll talk some more. what does rebecca's family have to say about all this? do they believe rebecca would be involved in any way in the death of max? we're going to hear from her family when we come back. [applause] >> it's like her taking a dagger and stabbing it in our hearts. as she stands there and talks defend herself. who cannot she was brutally murdered.

what happened? >> dr. phil: you guys have looked at the aura shooting and thought, my god, that could be my son. >> jani is schizophrenic. >> she's agitated. running out of the room. >> what is calalini? >> i don't know. >>er hallucinations tell her to jump off buildings. >> dr. phil: why did you investigate your future daughter-in-law? >> you have nothing on me. >> i have never been convicted of anything. >> dr. phil: this isn't your first marriage? >> this is my fifth. >> dr. phil: there should be red flags all over the place. >> i didn't want to come on here so you could embarrass me. you want to pick and pull out of little things that i've done wrong. >> dr. phil: don't tell me how to do my job. >> i didn't get pregnant to be on a tv show. >> dr. phil: i do think you did it to get on a tv show. you need to grow up and you need to zip up your pants, slick.

[applause] >> dr. phil: it made national news when beautiful rebecca zahau was found naked, bound and gagged and hanged from the second story balcony of a beachside mansion. it was ruled a suicide. her family says look, that's just not possible despite the fact that two days earlier her boyfriend's 6-year-old son max had fallen from a second story balcony sustaining life threatening injuries while in her care. injuries that did eventually take his life.

take a look. >> i found out that dina was accusing my sister of causing harm to max. after reporters called me and left messages on my phone. to hear dina get on tv and say things about my sister infuriates us. we all know what she's saying is not true. it's like her taking a dagger and stabbing it in our hearts as she stands there and talks about my sister that cannot defend herself. she was brutally murdered for what happened to max. >> becky treated max like he was her own son. if i was talking to becky, i have to get max, i have to do this for max. >> becky is the type of person, kids love her. she's baby sited from all over the world. my sister rebecca would have never lifted a finger on max. so you cannot tell me that she was just random girlfriend of jonah that didn't care about his kid. >> did you get the little thing underneath the table? >> yes. [laughter]

okay, maxy. >> it hurts me the most because i watched how becky was around max. dina says that my sister lied to her about her last name. she came to america with the last name zahau. she got married, she got divorced because she didn't want to be with that man. so she has 100% right to go back to her maiden name. i don't know what her care of max would be by her last name. she also accused my sister of shoplifting. she makes mistakes. accusing a dead woman that she wasn't using the last name that she had or shop lifting in the past does not bring either one of them back. >> becky did not assault max. for dina to say that makes no sense. if there was an assault scenario, she should have some type of injury on her hand.

becky could not come up with a plan fast enough to throw him off the balcony, have the chandelier go down and in a short amount of time. come on. it's too elaborate, too quick. >> i don't know what really happened to max. the only other person that supposedly knows what happened is dead. >> we want both of these cases opened back up. seems to be there's tension there. i don't understand why you couldn't be an ally to become an enemy. >> her actions hurt. rebecca is not here to defend herself. why didn't she sit down with becky and ask her when she was alive? why point the finger after she's dead? >> dr. phil: well, joining us are rebecca's sister, mary, her husband, doug and their attorney, ann brimnor. thanks for being here. you've been listening to the show so far. what did you want to say? >> if someone held my sister

responsible, i wish they talked to her, took her to trial, anything but killed her. i believe both the cases should be open. i think opening both the cases will reveal a lot of things that is very unclear. for some reason, apparently in that household, gravity doesn't apply. center of gravity, you know, supposedly hurled herself over a balcony that comes above her child with her hands bound behind her back. her feet are bound. she's buck naked. she has a t-shirt stuffed in her mouth and a string around her neck. how does that happen? >> dr. phil: and your point, just so everybody knows because we've been talking about whether this was an accidental fall with max or not, to remind everybody, what you just described, you do not believe that your sister committed suicide. >> no. >> dr. phil: you believe that someone killed her. >> yes. >> dr. phil: she was found hanging from a balcony with her hands tied behind her back, her feet tied, a t-shirt around her

neck and in her -- >> in her mouth. >> dr. phil: -- in her mouth and hung with very elaborate knots -- >> yes. >> dr. phil: -- tied around. and you're saying that's not suicide. that didn't happen. >> no. >> dr. phil: so what did happen? >> i think someone or several people held my sister responsible for what happened to max. when max got injured, there are hospital records that said that max might have been suffocated. as a mother or somebody related to max, you can assume, okay, rebecca was the caregiver. but the sad part is nobody really investigated what happened. i mean, nobody knows who is in the house. >> dr. phil: and you have petitioned to have the case reopened? >> we have. we've been working on this, dr. phil, from before the time the police concluded it was a suicide and closed the case. but it's clearly a homicide with rebecca. but we want that reopened.

we want both cases reopened. we always said you have to know what happened to max to know what happened to becky. >> dr. phil: and you have some pictures to show us. >> yes, i did. >> dr. phil: take us through those. >> this is the bannister. we talked about the center of gravity. this according to doug and mary and others that have been in the mansion, it was 26 inches high, the railing. a lot lower than we're hearing when we talk about the center of gravity. the next one here, this is after the fact. this has gouges in the bannister. this is important because we're going see some of those gouges show on a razor scooter, his razor scooter. there's circumstantial evidence that he went over with a scooter in some fashion. here's below where max fell. see the razor scooter right there. so he was down below. of course, the dog was down below at the end of the day, ocean. he reportedly said ocean's name. you can see some of what the coronado police did. you can see some transfers in

those two places of the paint from the bannister. there were no chips on the bannister before and there were chips afterwards. then we see them on the razor scooter. >> dr. phil: dr. melinek, you're still with us. as you look at these, is there anything in these pictures that is new to you that you didn't know? >> no, i've seen all those pictures before. i think what is interesting is the paint transfer on the razor scooter is occurring by the wheel, which is the bottom part of the scooter. so the scenario initially told to mrs. schacknai, dina, was that max was riding his scooter on the second story. if that's the case, the wheels shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the bannister. it should be on the bottom next to the carpeted floor. even if he's on the scooter, he's still too low for the center of gravity to go over the bannister. even if he, let's say theoretically accidentally went over the low portion of the

bannister as it's descending, how does he get the injured on the back that matches up with the bannister? >> i should have done a close-up of the bannister. i'm a lawyer. i can talk about circumstantial evidence. it's all there that the razor was involved. i think the human factors people had conclusions that's how he fell. he may have been higher. the dog, the ball may have been involved. the fact of the matter there is no indication it's a homicide. no indication just because he has some marks on he's face, we've seen them, they're consistent with an assault. there's no propensity by becky to do this. >> dr. phil: doug you say she treated max like her own son. there's no way she would agress against him. >> she's not mean. she wouldn't do it. >> dr. phil: we're going to take a break her. next, doug thinks dina knows way more about rebecca's death than

she's admits. and plus, cyril wecht joins us with his thoughts on max's death when we come back. [applause] want to give your family the very best in taste, freshness, and nutrition? it's eb. eggland's best. better eggs. it's eb. has a microfiber, machine-washable pad to free you from expensive disposable pads, another reason libman makes good, clean sense. soothes you to sleep with ingredients like melatonin. it's safe with no side effects, so you wake up... ready to go. [ male announcer ] unisom natural nights.

>> i don't know if dina has anything to do with becky, but i believe dina would know some insight of what happened to

becky. when max fell, dina was there as far as in the vicinity of coronado. she was talking to jonah, talking to her sister. i mean, with becky being killed, dina would have to know something. she may not know directly, but there's something in dina that would benefit us to find out who killed becky. >> dr. phil: is there -- is there any theory under which you two think that rebecca was involved in his death? accidentally, rough housing, playing, and just didn't want to say so. >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i remember my sister calling me and telling me that it was a bad day. she didn't have time to talk to me for long. she did tell me that she had heard the loud crash and she was in the bathroom and then max was un conscioconscious and she tri give him cpr. she had to call jonah to let him know. they had to go to the hospital. i don't think my sister knew exactly what happened to max.

and i think she was very upset that day and she was trying to help everybody out. she wasn't allowed to go to the hospital and see max to avoid conflict with dina. but my question is, why didn't dina request a meeting with rebecca that day in front of the sheriff or the ems or the hospital? it was available right there. you have the questioning of what happened to max if she had some concern. >> dr. phil: but in fairness, at that time, the entire complete and total focus was on max. >> it's not only the first day i'm talking about. i'm talking about the next day, too. because i know that could have been set up. >> dr. phil: expert forensic pathologist and author from crime scene to courtroom, dr. cyril wecht will join us via satellite from pittsburgh. he reviewed max's autopsy. dr. melinek and dr. bose's reports. dr. wecht, is it reasonable to conclude this is a homicide?

>> let me preface my remarks. dr. melinek has done an outstanding job in analyzing this an an extremely competent pathologist. having said that, i must express my disagreement and point out why i do disagree. first of all, with regard to the fall, when you talk about a 6-year-old boy jumping, you have a dog, you've got a scooter, you have soccer balls. i don't see any problem here in understanding how this kind of leaping and jumping might have occurred. this has been referred to as a simple fall. i don't see this as a simple fall at all. if the boy hurtles in some way. it wasn't like he was a monkey. he didn't leap to the chandelier to perform like a monkey or an actor as cirque du soleil. he would have been hanging on for dear life.

the chandelier swings and down he comes. so you have an anatomical variation of injuries and contusions. i find nothing inexplicable about that at all. i'm hearing inconsistencies. i'm not saying this to be insulting. but i've experienceinconsistencies between what was sent to me and what i'm hearing today. it could have been accidental, but there was someone else involved. this is not the way she clearly finishes her report. she talks about homicide. so i think that this is an accidental case, but having said that and having expressed my opinions previously about expressing great doubts regarding rebecca zahau's death, i join with mrs. schacknai and i

join with rebecca's sister and brother-in-law and attorney ann bremner and strongly pleading, begging the san diego medical examiner's office and the sheriff's office to open up both of these cases. they're adamant refusal to do so -- [applause] -- shows insensitive and is i don't all understanding. >> dr. phil: somebody caused your sister's death. >> all i know is she would be alive if max didn't get her. >> dr. phil: and later -- >> what you don't know and what i'm going to share with you today. >> announcer: monday on an all-new "dr. phil." moms in the news. one was charged with child endangerment. >> you turned your kids over to a woman you didn't meet? >> the other nice finger...

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[applause] >> dr. phil: i think one of the things dr. wecht said is that while he thinks you have done a fine analysis, that your conclusions of the analysis go too far and that what you're saying today is backing off of what you said at the conclusion of your report. >> again, that's not an accurate portrayal of my report. my report says the case is a homicide because there's other person involvement. it does not say there's an intent component and i clearly explain that there's a difference between homicide and murder. >> i would suggest to dr. melinek, what she should

call this in so far as manner of death is concerned is undetermined. that's a fifth manner of death that we as pathologists have on death certificates. natural, accident, suicide, homicide, undetermined. >> i personally reserve undetermined for cases where we really don't have sufficient information. in this case, we have the body, we have multiple planes of injuries and a lot of potential scenarios that are involving another person that can explain those injuries. but not a single scenario that i can come up with where it could be an accident as in max did this to himself horsing around independently of another person. okay? so the other person involvement by definition makes it a homicide. >> dr. phil: i want to say to you, mary, doug and ann, your message is clear. one, you want the case on your

sister reopened. >> yes. >> dr. phil: because you do not believe this was a suicide. >> no. we want it reopened. witnesses can be mistaken. evidence never lies. the evidence is clear. we saw with the pictures that max had an accident. an unfortunate accident. but the evidence is equally clear with becky that she was a victim of a homicide. i praise dr. wecht's involvement and careful analysis. >> dr. phil: and you're not accusing anyone. you're just saying somebody caused your sister's death. somebody killed her. >> yes. all i know is that my sister would be alive if max didn't get hurt. >> dr. phil: you think they are definitely connected. >> definitely connected. >> dr. phil: you think this was retribution in some way by someone? >> yes. >> dr. phil: i'm going to dismissed rebecca's family now because next, dina returns to the stage to respond to what she just heard. we'll be right back. [applause]

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[applause] >> dr. phil: you believe that this whole scenario of what happened that resulted in max's death is just completely wrong. >> right. >> dr. phil: it isn't a close call. you say that you have new evidence that your son's death was not an accident. >> right. >> dr. phil: and that in fact he did die at the hands of another and you think it was rebecca zahau. >> well, i think -- i believe the expert's reports. after nine months of research and work, and dr. melinek stated that rebecca had direct involvement. so i do believe the reports. what i have asked the coronado police department to do was to reopen the investigation. what you don't know and i'm going to share with you today and i'm making this announcement to you first, the coronado police has denied that request. so they're not reopening the

investigation into max's death. so as far as they're concerned, they reviewed it and their findings stand. now, i'd also like to say to mary, when i saw max in the hospital with all the tubes in every part of his body, i was completely unprepared. i never -- it was so shocking, but i never thought he was going to die. i never thought he wasn't walking out of the hospital. i thought, well, of course i'll speak to rebecca. no doubt about that. so it's not as though that wasn't happening. >> dr. phil: do you know anything about rebecca zahau's death that you haven't shared? >> no. i'd say that have more information than i do. they have some information about the psychological assessment of rebecca that was meant to be put in max's file and i was told by the coronado police department that it wasn't put in. they have it. i don't have it.

what i'm saying is the coronado police department is responsible for reopening the case. it was mary or ann -- mary said that she needed to not believe anybody else was there, but rebecca, max and dina. but she said somebody -- maybe she wasn't sure. maybe we can ask dina, did she think anybody else was there. that would be helpful. that's a possibility. >> dr. phil: is there anything else you want to say that we haven't touched on? we have about 30 seconds. >> as citizens and people, we can all reach out to our local representatives and say, hey, let's do something about this. find justice for everyone. certainly i want max who is a 6-year-old little boy who loved life, loved life. he deserves the truth to be told about his life. [applause] >> dr. phil: we'll be right back. >> he was the biggest gift in my life. when i woke up and i saw him

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>> dr. phil: i want to thank all of my guests today. obviously this is a very difficult story. it's difficult for the families to talk about. i want to give a special thanks to dr. judy melinek. thanks for your work on behalf of this family. [applause] >> thank you. >> dr. phil: and dr. wecht, as always, thanks for your comments on this and the passion you

pursue your profession. dina started a foundation called max's house. take a look. >> we're upholding the safety of children living in more than one household. we need to realize the additional challenges that arise when our family structure changes. you know, how do you feel about overnight guests. there's a huge need out there for children and for somebody to be looking out for them. the system failed for max. we want no other child to have to experience that. >> dr. phil: to donate to max's house or rebecca zahau's fund, please go to drphil.com and we'll have links there for both of them. best of luck to you with max's house. thanks for being here. so long. [applause]

this is 9news now. >> a major metropolitan area shut down for most of the day after a man with a gun takes a hostage. it all started around 8:00 this morning. >> police have the accused gunman in custody. alexis with the story. >> reporter: it took nearly six hours for negotiators to convince a man holding a hostage in this pittsburgh office building to surrender.

>> no one was injured. >> police say the standoff began around 8:00 this morning when 22-year-old michael saxton held himself up, holding a hostage at gunpoint. he threatened he had explosives, so police evacuated parts of the building, put other areas on lockdown. inside the building, police say he posted on facebook that he recently lost everything and that no one would have to worry about him anymore. his friends reached out to comfort him and police brought in saxton's mother and other relatives to talk to him. a few hours later, facebook pulled the plug and negotiators convinced him to surrender. >> the negotiators were very successful. >> it's not clear why he went into this office building or if he knew the man he took hostage. alexis, cbs news. and we have some breaking news from the campai