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>> announcer: today on an all-new "dr. phil." >> dr. phil: how well did you know this baby sitter? >> i've never met her. >> your turned your kids over to a woman you never met? >> you're questioning if i leave my kids to drink. >> dr. phil: your daughter told the police you do. don't act like i'm crazy pulling this out of the air. >> announcer: nadia suleman at home and in chaos. >> i'm a good mother. >> dr. phil: my crusade the house was a wreck. >> i'm going 500 miles per hour nonstop. >> dr. phil: people speculate that your energy was because you were on drugs. >> right now if we weren't talking, i'd be cleaning and cooking. >> dr. phil: have you ever taken drugs? >> dr. phil: let's do it. if we're going to do something here that matters, then we've got to deal with the truth. >> have a good show, everybody. here we go. >> dr. phil: if i can help get this family back on track, are you willing to do that? >> ready, three. take. >> dr. phil: this is going to be a changing day in your life. [cheers & applause]
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>> dr. phil: hey, guys. well, she has been dubbed one of the most controversial, one of the most hated, one of the worst parents in america. three years ago nadya suleman gave birth to octuplets making her the mother of 14. today she's back because there are even more reasons to ask her what were you thinking? now, that's also the question i have for my first guest. 28-year-old alicia. she's a mother of 10 children. she made the news because she was arrested. take a look. >> on april 14th, the sheriff deputy arrested 27-year-old alicia donnellson when deputies
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found them home alone. deputies said the 10-year-old said the woman leaves them home alone. >> dr. phil: here's what alicia told us about why she said she left her kids home alone. >> that morning the baby sitter pulled up. i was in a big hurry. i didn't wait for her to go in the house. i waved and took off. i never introduced the baby sitter to my kids. my 10-year-old has a thumb. i told him to call me. the social service worker came and spoke to my 10-year-old. she told the lady that she hated it here, i was mean. i left them alone. i hit her. she came up with a lot of good stuff. the social worker came in and told me i needed to pack their bags. the officer said you're going to go for four counts of child endangerment and your kids are going to foster care. they handcuffed me. i went to jail for 26 hours.
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i was released sunday. monday morning, the state dropped all charges. i was cleared of everything. i'm not a danger to my kids. i'm a good mom. >> dr. phil: okay. alicia, i'm glad you're here. tell me what happened the day you were arrested. >> i got ready for work. at 8:45, the baby sitter pulled up. i waved at her. i was in a rush. i mean, i have four kids. i'm always rushed. i left. at noon, i get a call from the police department telling me to come home. i panicked. i cameome and there's my kids standing in the yard in their pajamas and a cop asking me with the baby sitter was. >> dr. phil: how well did you know the baby sitter? >> i never met her. we come from a small town. everybody trusts everybody. she went to school with my younger sister. i figured if she trusted her, i could trust her. >> dr. phil: are you telling me that you never even met the baby sitter that you turned your children over to?
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>> right. she was -- >> dr. phil: you never said hi, i'm alicia -- >> we talked on the phone. >> dr. phil: you never met the women. >> we talked on the phone, facebook. >> dr. phil: you never met her. >> no. >> dr. phil: so you leave the house and there's somebody at the car in the curve -- >> no, in my driveway. >> dr. phil: and you don't speak to her. you don't say here's the kids, here's what they need, here's the this or that. no schedule, no agenda. you didn't meet her. >> we went over that on the phone. it's not like here. we come from a very small town. >> dr. phil: you can't get that small. you turned your kids over to a woman you never met? >> i trusted my sister's judgment. >> dr. phil: wow. tell me what you hope to accomplish today. >> i want to become a better person. i became because i have relationship problems and i seek acceptance and i need a better life for my kids. >> dr. phil: what is it you don't like about who you are?
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>> i have my home life with my kids. i have -- and i have a separate life when my kids are gone. it's two mes. two separate lives. >> dr. phil: let's take a look at that alicia says there's another side to her. >> okay. i'm going to run the water and you brush your teeth. >> as a mom, i'm a 7. as a party person, probably an 8. i'm a good person when my kids are around. then without my kids i'm a different person. the alicia goes out in bars, drinks, she doesn't come home. that alicia is pretty bad. she's wild and does stupid things. in the past year i've slept with 11 people. the longest i ever went without having someone in my house or dating someone was probably a week. i use my body and sex to lure a guy in and i think i can keep him with that. my 10-year-old hates men. you can sense tension when a new
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guy comes into the household. i ask my girls, what do you not like about him, what can we make better. don't you want your mom to be happy. i'm seeking stability. i want them to know i want a family life, a normal family life. i'll change who i am. i'll be who they went. i don't know why i go to extreme lengths to have a man in my life. >> dr. phil: okay. so you have two different personas, you say. >> yes. >> dr. phil: one is a good mother and the other is your out partying, you say you use your body, you use sex to lure guys in. >> i meet a guy not as a one-night stand. i meet a guy hoping he's going to be my future. i want a family, i want a stable life. >> dr. phil: seems to me the two overlap. your daughter says she hates it when you bring a guy home. >> when i enter a new relationship she hates it. >> dr. phil: do you bring the guys in the home? do you allow them to meet your
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children? i'm trying to drill down -- >> it's not like 50 guys in a year. >> dr. phil: it was nine. >> and they met two. i don't let -- unless i know they're going to stick around for a length of time, then my kids meet them. >> dr. phil: i'm having trouble with you leaving your kids with a baby sitter they never met. you have never let them home alone? >> no. >> dr. phil: not one time? >> no. i always have -- i have like four baby sitters have to rotate between. i don't have anybody else. they're never alone. they're 4, 6, 8 and 10. there's no way. >> dr. phil: and your 10-year-old said they were left home on numerous occasions. >> right. that's why i went to jail that day, because of what she said. >> dr. phil: so she's lying. >> she told the social worker i thought i was going to my dad's house. it wasn't true. the lady kept telling her, honey, it's okay. the charges didn't stick.
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my community knows me. the sheriff, i got out, the charges were gone. my kids were back monday. no follow up from dhs. i'm a good parent. there's my -- the bad part of me. when it comes to my kids, i'm always there. >> dr. phil: my premise in the beginning is said you have one persona as a mother, the other as a party girl. i see that they overlap some. that's why i'm asking these questions so i can figure out what's going on. >> you're questioning if i leave my kids to go drink. >> dr. phil: no, i don't know where you go. i don't know what you do. i don't know if you leave your children alone. >> right. >> dr. phil: i'm asking you -- i have a basis because your daughter told the police that you do. >> right. >> dr. phil: don't act like i'm crazy pulling this out of the air. i want to help you and i'm very concerned about your kids and your future. one of alicia's friends says he's worried about her safety and the safety of her children. we're going to add him to the conversation next and see where we're going. [applause]
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>> dr. phil: you just said one word that was the most offensive to me out of everything you said. what do you suppose it was? and later -- was it a mistake to try to have another child when you had six at home? >> announcer: tomorrow on an all-new "dr. phil." >> jani has hallucinations a lot. >> she's seeing something that isn't there. >> it's schizophrenia. >> announcer: dr. phil takes you inside the world -- >> dr. phil: her hallucinations tell her to jump off buildings. she's been agitated. >> schizophrenia. >> dr. phil: you're seeing an inability to get a thought and stay with it. what is
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>> i was a hostess and a bartender at a country club. one night i woke up in the basement of the country club on a bed and with a bra. i didn't know how i got there, what i did, don't recall anything that happened. the last thing i remember is sitting on a couch and drinking whiskey straight. my family came to scream, yell, asking what i was doing, i'm a mom, took my phone. they left me my keys of my vehicle and i found my own way home that day. >> dr. phil: that was alicia. she got fired from that job at the country club. her best friend, eric, says he's
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worried about her because not only is her drinking out of control but her choices in men are, according to him, questionable. >> i feel like i'm kind of standing back, watchina train wreck about to happen. >> this is who i am. it's not who i want to be, but who i am. so i don't know how to change it. >> i wrote to dr. phil because i love her. her kids have been subjected to a lot. they've seen their mom fight with boyfriends and they have seen her drink. recently she was drunk and she left the bar with a man who she didn't know. she had sex with him in his truck. then a couple weeks ago, alicia went out with her sister and got drunk. she got so upset that she broke her windshield with her bare foot. >> i kicked it in here with my own foot. i was hitting whoever was driving. she couldn't maintain me, so i jumped out of the vehicle while
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going down the road. >> alicia has had many failed relationships. her kids have been subjected to a string of short-term boyfriends and relationships. the guy she just broke up with him, she allowed him a week before she allowed him to move in with her and her children. alicia and her kids have been incredibly fortunate so far that she hasn't let a sexual predator move in. it's only going to be a matter of time until something tragic happens. to either her or her children. >> dr. phil: eric, thanks for being here. you're here why? >> because i love my best friend. i love and care about her kids. i've seen the things that she does over the past year that we've known each other. it's like watching a train wreck happen. you can watch it happen or step in and try to save somebody. >> dr. phil: do you share his concern? do you think you're headed for trouble? >> yeah. i mean, i make bad decisions.
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it can, like you said, overp. what i do will soon be in my home. >> dr. phil: let me tell you some things that you may not know. when you talk about abuse risk, what are the chances of your children being abused, physical abuse, sexual abuse, whatever. it's 14 times higher than normal if they live with their bio mother alone. it's 20 times greatf fefer -- greater if they live with a bio father. it's 20 times greater if mom and dad are there and they're not married but co-habit and bring other people into the home. get this. the risk is 33 times higher if they're living with their bio mother and she has a man in the house living with her. 33 times greater. now, you hit several of those categories at different spots,
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right? at different times. what do you think about what i'm saying to you? >> that i need to be more responsible. i mean, i never thought of it that way. i never thought i would put my kids at risk. i only thought about myself. >> dr. phil: you're not putting them just at risk. if you got a boyfriend and he's staying with you, the chance of one of those children being abused in some way is 33 times normal. i'm sure you don't know those statistics, but your get level is telling you. you say she allows the kids to meet these men and sometimes pick who to date. >> sometimes. >> dr. phil: you said you let the kids pick sometimes. >> it's not pick. it's not pick. i don't know how you get that. when i date someone, after they interact with my kids, i ask them how do you feel about this person. do you like them? are you going to mesh well with them? i want to know their opinion. if i find someone, they're going to be in their life, too. i want to make sure it's not someone they hate and despise.
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i want them to like that person. >> dr. phil: let me tell you how wrong that is. what is the shortest time that you've moved somebody in with you after knowing them? >> a week. >> dr. phil: a week? >> uh-huh. >> dr. phil: how long did this guy that you had known for a week that he moved in, how long did he stay? >> a month. >> dr. phil: why did he leave after a month? >> he started pushing on me so i asked him to leave. >> dr. phil: here's what we know. you move a guy you knew after a week and within a month he was getting physical on you. can we agree? >> yes. >> dr. phil: can we agree that's an incredibly bad decision? >> yes. >> dr. phil: can we agree that fits in the sweet spot of me saying that the chance of those kids getting a because e ed -- abused is 33 times normal?
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>> or dead. >> dr. phil: so you're a walking, talking poster girl for the bad decisions of bringing men into your children's lives. >> yes. >> dr. phil: you don't let these men meet your children. you don't use them to vet them or to clear them. >> it's kind of hard to be a single mom of four kids and have a dating life. it's impossible. how am i ever going to meet someone without my kids around? it's not going to happen. >> take it slower. >> i don't have weekends alone. i have my kids 24/7. when a guy wants to meet me, they have to watch a movie. >> dr. phil: go ahead. you're doing fine. >> what is more important? >> my kids are. but i don't want to be alone the rest of my life. it's hard to raise four kids. >> dr. phil: hold on. you're doing great. who are you? [applause] you just said one word that was the most offensive to me out of
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everything you've said when you get here. what do you suppose it was? >> i'm not sure. >> dr. phil: but you said i know i'm responsible for my kids, but. but means forget what i just said. that's not what i really feel. so that sentence could have been, i know i'm responsible for my kids, but i don't really believe that, it isn't really my priority, i don't want to be alone the rest of my life. forget that. what you really said is i don't want to be alone the rest of my life and i'm willing to put my kids at risk to ensure that doesn't happen. >> but i'm not willing to do that. >> dr. phil: based on the results you are. you moved the guy in after a week. >> yes, i did. >> dr. phil: any guy that would move in with you after a week i'm guessing is not a pillar of the community. [laughter] [applause] i got to take a break. we have to take a break. we'll be right back. [applause]
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>> i absolutely feel like alicia grew up feeling like she wasn't good enough. she was taught from the early age, if she's pretty, that's all that matters. alicia's low self-worth and poor
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>> a couple years ago, i got a call in the middle of the night from alicia. i could tell she was drunk.
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she had been pulled over for a broken taillight but the cops were aware that she was under the influence. she said if i were to show up there, then they wouldn't place her under arrest. i don't know how she hasn't gotten a dui yet. >> dr. phil: okay. that was alicia's best friend, eric. earlier this year alicia was arrested for child endangerment when she allegedly left her four children alone. she said she left them were the baby sitter. what happened to the baby sitter, by the way? >> she denied everything. >> dr. phil: did she leave? >> when the cops asked her, she said she wasn't my baby sitter. it all fell back on me. >> dr. phil: you're dating losers. you're moving losers into your house. >> i know that. >> dr. phil: that's why i said who do you think would lose in with a woman and four kids -- >> and who needs a mom and -- >> dr. phil: so now you have five and one is big enough to hurt you and your children.
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>> yeah. >> dr. phil: you have to stop that. i'm not the one that made the choice to have four children. >> i did. >> dr. phil: and you made that choice. how can you say, i'm overwhelmed. i'm a single mom with four children. i totally get that. but you made the choices to have these four children and you've got to live with the consequence and the responsibility of mothering those four children. that means you make sacrifices along the way, then you make sacrifices along the way. if you want to find a quality partner, somebody that you love and that can love you and respect your children and treat them with dignity and nurturing and protection, it's not going to be the bum of the month club. >> they have to have potential. i mean, they have to have a job and they have to want the family life. they can't just be -- >> dr. phil: and you learned all of that about this guy after a week. you learned he had potential, wanted a family life, all those things. you discerned all that --
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>> bad judgment call and ended up going south. >> dr. phil: you were a booty call. you know it's true. [applause] come on. you say thanks like that is a revelation. that shouldn't be a revelation to you. somebody that wants to have a relationship with you will get to know you, will let you get to know them. they will respect you as a mother. they won't keep you out until 2:00, 3:00 a.m. knowing you have four children at home. they will do things that have a -- they're congruent with your life. otherwise you're just somebody they met in a bar they want to sleep with. is there any other way to say it? >> no. >> dr. phil: so what have you chose to take a completely different tact and said, they're going to have to get to know me, they're going to have to be
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transparent with me. you say, hey, listen, if that's true, as soon as they see four kids and chaos, they'll run the other way. that's part of your fear, right? >> they usually do. >> dr. phil: so is your hope that you'll hook them sexually and they'll overlook the chaos? >> guys don't like a woman tied down with four kids. i don't get to go out, they don't say let's do this. i have priorities. i stay home with my kids. i can't go on dates. we have this joke as soon as i cook them dinner, they're gone. >> she doesn't cook badly. she's a very good cook. [laughter] >> dr. phil: they shouldn't be sitting down to dinner with your children. do not let these men have access to your children. if you hear nothing else i say, do not let them have access to your children. [applause] don't hide it. you can tell them you have children. tell them you have four, tell them you have ten. i don't care. do not allow them to have access to your children. >> okay.
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>> dr. phil: you're playing too desperately. and it chases -- take it from guys. it chases them away. you are an attractive, intelligent, articulate young woman. just give guys a chance to discover that. why are you not dating her? [applause] >> we've tried that. >> we tried that a couple times. >> dr. phil: what would it take to go out with her again? >> no. >> we talked about this. we discussed this. it would -- that's why we're on the show. it's part of my motivation was selfish. >> dr. phil: if i was to arrange for some counselling for her and maybe for ya'll to sit down as a couple and see if you can find some common ground, would you participate in that? >> absolutely. [cheers & applause] >> dr. phil: and just to get to
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know each other. i'd like to set that up. and then i would like to arrange for a legitimate no-kidding, verified baby sitter and send you two to dallas for a nice weekend, have dinner, spend some time together and chat one another up a little bit. how would that be? would you be willing to do that? >> yeah. >> dr. phil: come on. he's here. >> he's my best friend. >> dr. phil: there you go. we'll have a nice weekend for you guys to go. i'll maybe be a match maker here. we'll give this a shot. [applause] okay? all right. up next, it's been three years since i lost spoke to nadya suleman. find out why i have to ask her again, what were you thinking? we'll be right back. [cheers & applause]
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>> one more! >> how i managed, i'm off point. 500 miles per hour. nonstop. it's amazing i'm sitting right now. >> i do not regret one thing in my life. i am in a very, very good place my life. i amwant to give your familyace more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturated fat? easy. it's eb. eggland's best. better eggs. it's eb.
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[applause] >> dr. phil: when we first met my next guest three years ago, nadya suleman had just given birth to octuplets. news media and tabloids were buzzing with stories about the single mother of 14. well, now three years later, nadia is still making headlines. take a look. >> octomom may be losing her house as paul boyd records, nadya suleman is facing foreclosure. >> nadya suleman has declared bankruptcy. she says she owes a million dollars. >> smells like yourine and fece in there. there's eight potty training and going all over the place. >> nadya suleman's home was officially turned over to the bank today. put up for auction. no bids. the opening bid was $225,643.
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>> we know she tried stripping and acting. nadya suleman has a new way to raise money. she's dating for dollars. the mother of 14 now on a website called "what's your price." >> dr. phil: nadia says she's a regular mom that happens to have 14 children. she says she's on a mission to prove to those that judge her that she can in fact do this on her own. take a look. >> be careful. jonah! >> my whole life revolves around my kids. i work for my kids. i live for my kids. i would rate my parenting skills on a scale of 1-10, i would rate it close to a 9. >> let's go to a time-out. we do not bite.
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>> i'm taking care of all 14 kids alone. i've not had a nanny or baby sitter in 1 1/2 years. i do have a select, very small group of friends that help me once in a while. i'm so thankful for them. >> after our group, we're going to the trampoline. >> how i manage, i'm off, going 300, 500 miles per hour nonstop. it's amazing i'm sitting right now. if we were not talking, i'd be cooking, cleaning and playing with them. i believe the public perceives me based on the lies said from the media. i'm one perfect target. how dare this woman -- yes, the only truth is i did give birth to eight babies simultaneously. did i want it, did i plan it? no. why did you want it? i didn't. i tried to have one more, one baby. the media follows me everywhere. they created something called
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octomom. when i hear "octomom" it's not me. it's not me. >> come on, guys. >> the house has been on foreclosure quite a while. the bank owns it right now. they're giving me the time i need to find a house and move. i am now no longer a burden on anybody. i am paying my taxes. and i work nonstop. right now i'm doing whatisyourprice.com. it's a dating website. there's been quite a large sum of money i've been offered by men. i'm humbling to me to meet anybody that would spend any money on wanting to meet me. there's a video i made. it's called "octomom home alone." it's a self-pleasure video. my dad has not seen it. there's almost nothing i won't
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do to provide for my family. i do not regret one thing in my life. i am in a very, very good place right now. i question why -- what are the steps i would need to take to start really building an empire for my kids? i love people to see the truth of who i am. if you're not liked, the reality is, you're not marketable. >> no need to cry. i know you're tired. >> dr. phil: well, everyone asks what a day in a life of a mom with 14 kids is like. >> my turn, my turn! >> i adore taking care of my children. >> oh, my. there's a gun in here. not a real gun, toy gun. >> what did i do with the bread? >> i'm the antithesis of the worth mom in america. i am doing the best i can. it is absolutely the most
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rewarding job. a lot of people are just waiting for my children to be taken from me. foaming at the mouth from my little ones. we knew she would fail. guess what? they may think they won the battle, but we're going to win the war. we're already winning the we're. we're in a good place right now. >> no, no. that's unacceptable behavior. you want time-out? >> dr. phil: well, i have lots of questions for nadia. i think she has some questions for me. we're going to talk about all of that after the break. [applause] >> announcer: tomorrow on an all-new "dr. phil." a child -- >> jani has hallucinations. >> dr. phil: she's seeing something that isn't there. >> it's schizophrenia. >> dr. phil: she's been agitated. what is calalini? >> i don [ male announcer ] don't miss your chance to experience disney's ultimate fairy tale in stunning high definition. disney's cinderella.
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>> everybody, one, two, three! i want to hear shhh! i will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever times a million consider having anymore children. thank you so much. i don't know if i'm ready to become an octo grandmother. >> dr. phil: so what is the perception that people have of you that has gotten in your way the last three years? it's been that long since we talked. >> it's been awhile. 3 1/2 years. >> dr. phil: i know. what is the perception getting in the way? >> everything is more positive. the perspective has been wrong from the beginning. i always knew in my head, i
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wouldn't personalize it. i know the truth will surface as who you are over time. we live in the moment, my kids and i and then the future. my focus is on the endeavors i'm getting into. all the jobs and opportunities -- >> dr. phil: so you said there's an empire you want to build. >> that's a dream. >> dr. phil: what is that empire? >> whatisyourprice.com. i haven't begun that. that's a dating site. i haven't started that yet. >> dr. phil: you said you hate people referring to you as octomom but you're doing octoloan. >> i was desensitized by that. i can't hate anything. you can't waste power and energy. i need it to take care of my kids. my kids say octo, be quiet. you're too loud. you laugh loud and obnoxious. you can't take it too seriously. >> dr. phil: how are you doing as a mother? you say you give yourself a
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nine? >> i don't want to -- who would rate it by a number? some days -- i don't think i'm any more special or different than any mom that is doing the best she can to provide for a family. i have had to eat so many of my words, i'd never do this, never do that. as a mom when it comes to a point -- you don't want to be a burden on society -- >> dr. phil: you've said years ago -- >> yeah. >> dr. phil: -- you said you would never take your clothes off for money. >> i'm owning it. i at my words. >> dr. phil: what happened? >> i have boundaries. i'm still celebrate. it's been 14 years since i've been with a man or been with anybody. i'm choosing that of being sacred. this is kind of that -- sounds like an oxymoron doing a soft porn but choosing to remain celibate. but i'm focusing on positive. i did that octomom home alone
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available on dvd through wicked. we're doing well. we're moving in a couple weeks. >> dr. phil: so your hair dresser called cps -- >> that wasn't my hair dresser. >> dr. phil: who was it? >> another rumor. a lady i met through college years back. she had been planning, premeditating coming in, cutting my kids' hair. if you're a friend and you care, you're not going to go behind your back and do an interview without them knowing and have people follow you to make a police report. it was bogus. cps turned out that it was all premeditated on her just to make money for herself unfortunately. >> dr. phil: she said that the place was really squalor. when her crew was there, they said the house was a wreck. is it? >> it's absolutely not. it's clean. i clean constantly. how many moms out there clean
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till the middle of the night? i don't have a housekeeper. i clean myself. i'm constantly moving. constantly active and busy with the kids. they're is beautiful and so well-behaved and so respectful. and a few years ago, you were saying i don't think it's going to happen, but i would hope, i pray it happens that they'll follow you like little ducklings and they'll be running and jumping, there's not one disability in any of the eight which is miracle itself. >> at this point -- [applause] >> dr. phil: so what are the things that you've had to compromise on? you said that i've had to eat a lot of words. you said you never would take your clothes off more phone. >> yes, i did. i own that. >> dr. phil: you did some gigs as a stripper. >> first and last, ever attempt, it was not fully naked. i was at the end -- the top part. and i realized this is not me. it's not who i am and i'm not
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going to compromise myself like that again. any time i leave my family, it's to make money. any job. any time i spend time away from them. >> dr. phil: and you did this soft porn home alone thing. >> octomom home alone on dvd. right. >> dr. phil: you said you're proud of that but it's something you said you would never do. >> i had to eat my words. and i own that. i own that as a mom. i'm doing the best i can to provide for my family. again, i'll do almost everything, "almost" being the operative word to provide for my family. >> dr. phil: why are you here today? >> i want people to let go. give me and my family a second chance so we can make our lives a positive, beautiful, wonderful experience. >> dr. phil: so you think being here today so people get to hear from you and know you helps your family? >> probably -- being here will take a sledge hammer also, not necessarily to the word "octomom" because i don't personalize it, but what it
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represents. what it represents is something completely the antithesis of who i am as a person. >> dr. phil: right. >> i want to kill that image, that cartoon. i'm a mom just like any other mom who will do whatever she can do. >> dr. phil: we're obviously not paying you to be here today but this helps that you're telling your story, which helps your family. >> and i want people to know, if i were not a good mom, i wouldn't be here. they wouldn't be healthy, happy. not one bone of any of my 14 children has ever been broken. not one has been injured. what does that say? that i'm present and i'm patient and i am a good mother. everything i do, i live for them. i would do anything for my kids. >> dr. phil: we have to take a break. nadia says she's tired of people not liking her and she wants to change her image. is that possible? i'm going to tell her what i think when we come back. losing weight clicked for us when we realized we could eat whatever we wanted and still lose weight. weight watchers online was so easy you look up a food, you eat the food,
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>> prisoners go to jail. you know what? they are given a second chance, right? most of them. and i've been in prison myself and i think i'm worthy of being given a second chance. i've made mistakes in my past. we all do. if we didn't make mistakes, we would be god, not human, right? >> dr. phil: was it a mistake to
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try to have another child when you had six at home? was that a mistake? >> if i have to answer that question like i've done a thousand times before, i own that if -- at that time having already six children, what was i thinking? >> dr. phil: not that you would give any of the eight back. what you have, you love. >> more than -- none of us can fathom how much we love our children. >> dr. phil: how do you find the energy? >> i was born abnormally hyperactive, can may be why i'm an only child. >> dr. phil: i've heard people speculate that your energy was because you were on drugs. have you ever fallen in that direction? have you ever taken drugs? >> i'm thanking god that i have never touched a cigarette, never touched drugs or anything. first time i tasted wine was a year ago. >> dr. phil: even our crusade your energy would be up and down. you would be hyper and then almost comatose. >> i was like that -- i drink my coffee. i drink coffee. i woke up.
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what happened was, i had been up cleaning the night before. i slept maybe an hour. so tired. >> dr. phil: we asked a hollywood crisis manager and reputation.com's vice chairman, howard bragman, if nadia were his client, how he would handle turning around the reputation and the image. this guy is the -- he's the ultimate crisis manager. he said at this point that the different things that you're doing was like octoloan and the soft porn video, as you call it, is kind of messaging to people that you're kind of a circus act. >> which is not. >> dr. phil: i think your answer to that is that it's a short-term solution for you. you need money to exist this month, next month, right? and he said the respect that you would want would be from actually becoming a good mother. if people step back and said, wow, there's 14 kids and she's
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making the sacrifices to actually make it work. you feel like you're doing that, right? >> i have done that. here's the thing. if i had a real job, which i believe i do have real jobs, many jobs being offered to me, but a 9:00 to 5:00, day in and day out job, i would never see the children. most of the money would go to day car. and in ten years? i wouldn't have near enough money to pay for how many college educations? >> dr. phil: we live in the world of the internet. are you concerned at some point, your kids, some of your older kids and soon your younger kids, are going to punch of the internet and see, well, here's a porn video with my mother. >> the way i'm raising them is with complete honestly at their world, their level. they don't know the details but they're aware -- >> dr. phil: but with the internet -- how old is your oldest? >> he's 11. they're aware. >> dr. phil: so he can pull it up at a friend's house -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. but what we have experienced
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with all the negativity and the hate over the years will be one more glitch that they will be desensitized by. i'm honest with them. i look into every one of their eyes saying i love you forever, every one of them, every day since they were born, i tell them this is what momma is doing. >> dr. phil: have you ever thought about leaving los angeles, leaving hollywood, loving la-la land and going to omaha or somewhere elsewhere the cost of living is cheaper and you could be out of the news, out of the limelight and raise your family? >> i don't live in hollywood and i don't love in la-la land. i want to stay in the area where i created my own little family. i don't have much family. brothers or sisters. but i created a close network of friends that are my family, my children's family. if i left home, i'd love them. >> dr. phil: got you. >> that's why.
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>> dr. phil: thank you. we'll be right back. [applause] i don't have time for the flu. that's why i'm knocking things off my to-do list. vitamin d, done! hand sanitizer, done! hey, eric! i'm here for my flu shot. sorry, didn't make an appointment. well, you don't need one. whether it's flu shots or prescriptions, we continue to accept express scripts and medco plans.
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>> dr. phil: i want to thank my guests today. for more information about today's show and parenting, you can go to drphil.com. you can also look for us on facebook and twitter. there's going to be a test for you to take to see if you are actually being a good role model. we always say about our kids, they just don't listen. let me tell you, they may not listen but they're always watching. even if you don't know, they're watching you out of the corner of their eye. trust me, you're a powerful role model. take that quiz. thanks for being here and so long. [applause]
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this is 9news now. >> optimism turns to despair at the national zoo. we know what likely didn't kill the cub, but it will be a while before we know what did. it is a sad day, as you can imagine, at the national zoo where we are learning more about the sudden death of its baby panda. >> the cub showed no obvious signs of distress before making its final recorded noise yesterday morning. >> while there is no word on what caused the cub to die,
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kristin fisher reports a preliminary exam did reveal some abnormalities. >> the exact cause of death is unknown, we were able to learn three big things from this preliminary report. one, the cub was likely a female. two, there was an unusually large amount of fluid inside the cub's abdomen. and three, this is the big one, the cub's liver looked and felt abnormal and zoo officials say that could be the key. >> while we suspect that liver disease might be involved, we really won't know that for another two weeks. >> a heartbroken doctor, susan murray, wants answers. 24 hours ago, she heard the calls, the mom panda. they distracted her and started cpr, but it was too late. >> even if we knew everything we know today, we would have followed the

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