so as we leave town for a few days to be with our families for the holidays, i hope it gives everybody some perspective. >> that was the president of course. we're back with our roundtable. joining me congress jason chaffetz of utah, former democratic congressman of tennessee, harold ford, jr., chuck todd and nbc correspondent andrea mitchell. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are wire going e going to get a? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make pa small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires.

that means could you get it up from 400 to 750? a deal is within reach. he's got to figure out -- i think go one more time. they seem to have had it and they don't want to try boehner one more time but i think they're making a big mace take. -- making a big mistake. >> congressman, if he puts down a bill that requires democrats to get it pass, there will be a revolt. >> my frustration is with the democrats because the house republicans, our conscience is clear. in august we passed a bill to extend all of the tax rates. we did deal with the fiscal cliff issues weeks have passed that. it's harry reid and the president that have yet to come up with something. if it was so easy, if they thought they had a solution to it, why didn't on friday they come to the table and actually pass something? the pressure is on them, what can they pass in the senate? >> harold, you know the politics of this but you also know the markets and how they've been reacting and wall street and

corporate america more generally. is there new pessimism that we're, a, not going to get a deal and not solve the issue anyway? >> big disappointment. people outside of washington understand clearly. a couple hundred billion over ten years separating both sides. the question becomes can washington still govern itself? two, there's a realization we're in the middle of a small recovery. if we find ourselves not able to resolve this moment, it retards and slows and undermines what we see ourselves doing going forward. finally, for the life of me as someone who sfrd there, it was so distressful to watch both sides yell at each other. i feel sorry for speaker boehner. i've seen sop of your colleagues who are a little unreasonable and i dare say some democrats who are unraeasonable. what does it take to make them come together if they can't come together at this moment as close

as they are. >> durable goods is up, the housing market is beginning to come back. the market is poised. but the stock market is going to react. i can't previous district, don't have the knowledge, no one does, as to what exactly is going to happen but chuck is right. the white house should get over its upset with boehner and help bail him out. one question about john boehner and eric cantor and the rest them, if leaders can't count, what can they do. how they went ahead with plan b knowing they didn't have the votes, i mean, that is sort of 101 in politics. >> make them reject one more time. make boehner and the republicans reject one more time. >> there's no real partner here. here's the broader question and it includes the gun debate. what are the president's priorities going to be after the first of the year? congressman, you heard wayne lapierre. does he reflect your views about how to approach any kind of remedy after a massacre like

newtown, which is we should talk about everybody but guns? >> my wife and i, we have three kids. if there's something that we can do that will make sure that this never ever, ever, ever happens again, of course i'll support it, but i also -- >> come on, there's no standard likes that. that's why you try things. that's what public policy is about. >> i'm a concealed permit carrier, i have a glock 23, i have a shotgun. there are millions just like me. we're not the problem. i think there's common ground we should be attacking first and foremost is that mental health issue because there are maybe not the laws that we need. maybe there's not the reporting that we need. to say that's already been tackled -- >> has politics changed, harold? is wayne lapierre as you heard him to in sync with the political class on both sides of the aisle today? >> no, he's not in sync with the country. the argument i heard my friend

lindsey graham make the argument i have a big gun at home and i'm responsible. it's like saying the speed limit is 55 miles an hour, people should trust me to drive 90. if you don't have magazines that allow you to shoot 40, 50, 100 times, that won't happen. we should all be willing to say for the safety of the country, do i real need a magazine that shoots a hundred round? can i be satisfied with one that shoots six or seven? can that still hunt? we talk about entitlements and tax reform, i think that has to be part of the conversation. i think the majority would say wayne lapierre, you're wrong. >> you've got 35 states that don't cooperate with the fbi on background checks. you've got states now that permit gun, conceal guns in elementary schools, you've got such a patchwork quilt of states

permitting guns and access to guns in places where common sense says they shouldn't be but certainly on these magazines. >> why not a bill that says how about federal grants for armed security in schools, address mental health, i mean, it's a conversation about culture as well as some of these gun restrictions because it sounds likes that's not where the administration is headed. >> i don't know how they get it through the house. in 1994 in a democratic-controlled house 216-214 is how the assault weapon ban was in the house, that was democratic controlled house, 258 democrats were in that house of representatives. you you're not going to see anything. maybe the magazine clip. i do think the magazine clip could you see some sort of movement there but this goes back to why the president has to get a deal before thend end ofe year. if the entire year is lost going two months after two months. if it bothers him they didn't get the respect they deserve

from boehner, i get it. they're never going to get to guns, to energy, to so much they want to do. they've got to figure to get this done in a long-term way. >> i agree with some merits, armed guard -- >> but not armed teachers. >> when i went to high school in the 80s we had an armed officer. >> you can't go to a meeting in new york without taking your picture and having a security to get in the building. >> then the point is why not try reducing the ability of high-capacity magazines? isn't it possible that that could reduce the carnage? >> we tried it for ten years and it didn't work. there are millions -- >> we didn't try it. >> yes, we did. it was limited to ten. >> how do you know what would have happened? you can't prove a negative. >> the reality is there are millions of them out there.

this is a second amendment right. i don't think it would necessarily solve the overall problem. i think the mental health is true. as far as arming everybody in schools and teachers, look, i had high school science teachers who can't negotiate a bunson burner for goodness sake. i wouldn't suggest that we necessarily give everybody a gun, it's not for everybody. but how we deal with it in utah is going to be way different than how we deal with it in chicago. >> david, one thing that came out of your interview they've thought was interesting that the nra i didn't think would ever be on, he was calling for forcing states to participate more. if you're the obama administration and you're looking for the nra's help on something, well, forcing states to participate more on the background checks, all of these things that aren't happening, if the nra is going to do that and force these conservative republicans governors to sign legislation that did that, that would be a step. >> andrea, i want to talk about the second term cabinet.

chuck hagel did not get a ringing endorsement from senator schumer or -- >> what senator schumer said was really very revealing. if a democratic senator is not going to come to chuck hagel's defense, i think there is serious problems there. >> he did not come to his defense. this is going to be the second consecutive nomination where the president doesn't get his first choice. >> this white house cannot continue to float trial balloons and then not have them shot down. the president can't get what perceived to be rolled by opponents. the problem that chuck hagel has is he's now getting shot at from the left and the right because of his past comments, which he has now retracted and apologized for against gays. >> what is the core message of the state of the union? >> well, you tell me if there's a deal at the end of the year. the president has promised to put guns in his state of the union. which by the way, this has been a club that the white house has threatened over boehner, which is saying, hey, you are know i'm

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what if somebody asked you to risk your life to go undercover to one of the world's dangerous prisons to help catch a killer? >> she had such a zest for life. >> young girls were being murdered. >> i can't imagine sending my daughter off to school and never seeing her again. >> investigators needed help to get a confession. >> if anybody could pull it off, he would probably be the one to pull it off. >> if it worked, he could win his freedom. if it didn't, he could lose his

life. they had your back. >> they had my back. >> that's what you thought. >> that's what i thought. >> "the inside man." good evening, i'm lester holt. why would someone agree to spend months behind bars with the criminally insane and come out of prison a freeman? before he could do that, he had a special job to do and that was inside the prison. getting in was the easy part. getting out alive was much harder. two enemies who didn't trust each other faced off across a table. one of them in handcuffs was a clever con named jimmy keane. the other, a hard-charging

prosecutor. >> in court he called me the john gardi. >> he suddenly wanted to talk. a top secret meeting no less. what more could he do to jimmy? >> he was the last person i expected to hear from. he was my biggest fear. >> but keane's fears went off the charts when prosecutor larry beaumont slipped an accordion file in his direction. the top document was the photo of a mutilated girl. >> and then there was another photo of another mutilated girl. >> he probably thought you were about to charge him with something else. >> yeah, because they were pretty rough on him in the initial prosecution. >> jimmy was in the dark. he had no idea the crazy scheme beaumont had in mind. >> he said, jimmy, listen. this is something we have another person on. he has killed many, many young

women, and i personally think you're the one that can help us with this. >> "this" turned out to be an investigation to try and catch a suspected serial killer. beaumont, an outside-the-box thinker, believed this convict, jimmy keane, was the one who could somehow crack the case, taking on a unique and deadly mission. >> i realized how serious it was, and i also realized the danger of it. >> but what he couldn't know is how such a dangerous mission would change his world and the person he was forever. if this all seems fodder for a hollywood movie, brad pitt would agree. the megastar, who was benjamin button, then moneyballs billy bean is interested in playing none other than jimmy keane. >> brad pitt likes the guy that this guy, jimmy keane, risked his life to try to find what he could find. >> clearly this guy is one of a

kind, charismatic, con seated, courageous and complicated. from an early age, he had the personality, charm and cockiness that made him dream that a hollywood star might one day want to play him in the movies. his first big brush with fame came on the football field. >> i heard they called you the assassin in football. that was a good thing, i take it? >> yes. i was taught by my dad at a young age. he said, son, if you don't hit that guy first, he's going to hit you and hurt you first. >> a superstar athlete and mr. popularity in high school, jimmy seemed to have it all as a big fish in the river city of kankak kankakee, illinois, a blue collar town south of chicago. >> i was the star player. i was captain every year that i played. >> jimmy grew up in the shadow of his father, big jim, who was a cop and hero to his young son. >> he was my best friend.

he was the backbone of pretty much everything i did. >> but he would be put into peril from a terrible choice he made. as a teenager, he began selling drugs. he started small, peddling bags of marijuana. then he expanded to to contaico went to chicago. he was now a big fish in a big pond. lake michigan, to be exact. he was his own "in" crowd. fast women, fast cars and souped-up living. >> all the owners i was in tight with. i would go there and have carte blanche everywhere i went. >> did your pop know? did he suspect? >> he didn't suspect until much, much later. >> it would be a rude awakening for both his dad and jimmy that

day in 1996 when jimmy was just relaxing in one of his chicago homes. >> all of a sudden, ka boom, the whole door came blowing off the hinges and came flying into the house. and all these d.a., fbi and locals all came in in a single-file line with their automatic weapons pointing at me, freeze, get on the ground, get on the ground. >> he had been caught in a drug sting, spearheaded by that hard-nosed federal prosecutor, larry beaumont. >> we scooped him up in an operation that i ran. we called it operation snowplow. >> and in court, beaumont showed keane no mercy. >> he was coming at you on all fours, wasn't he? >> oh, god. he was a bulldog. >> jimmy was convicted and slapped with a ten-year sentence. >> it was a pretty stiff sentence, and i knew he didn't expect to get ten years in that case. >> your father was in the courtroom. >> i knew i had let him down in probably one of the biggest ways you could let somebody down. >> keane's future was bleak. he faced ten years away from his

glamorous life, the fast women, the fancy cars, the big bucks. but in 1998, just when all hope seemed lost, his old nemesis, beaumont, came to him with a chance for freedom. in return, keane would have to agree to risk everything and become an undercover informant in one of the roughest prisons in the country. the maximum security lockup in springfield, missouri. it was a psychiatric prison with both hard-core killers and the criminally insane. >> these people all have life sentences. they're all in there and they're crazy loons and they have nothing better to do but to try to hurt you or kill you just for some fun. >> if he accepted beaumont's offer, keane's target would be the suspected serial killer, a mysterious man in a van. coming up, every picture tells a

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several years before jimmy keane's arrest and conviction, his drug business was booming

and his personal life, as he tells it, was nonstop fun and games. there are a lot of hot clubs here in the '90s. this is where you did business as well. >> lived and worked here. it was a good time. >> at the time, he had no idea of the danger lurking 150 miles south and a lifestyle away that would change his life forever. rural, tranquil georgetown, illinois was where terry roach and her husband loren were raising their 2-year-old jesse and other children far away from big city crime. >> everyone knew who everybody was fr was, so they were more conscious. you could count on them to help your kids if they feedneeded it. >> jesse was really more of a homebody, so one drive up the

road and back and she was done and then she would be watching "gone with the wind." >> one day in september, jesse went out for a bike ride, but her sister noticed her bike down on its side in the middle of the road. >> not on the side of the road, in the middle of the road. >> yeah. she would stand the kickstand up. she would never lay the bicycle down. i knew something was wrong. >> deputy sheriff gary miller was dispatched to the scene. >> the more we learned about the family and the girl's background, we just didn't feel that she was staying away by choice. >> the haunting image of a bike tipped over and abandonned terrified all the investigators, and of course jesse's family. >> you never lose the hope they'll come walking in, you still hope that. we knew she was not going to just walk away. >> after six weeks, jesse's

parents' worst fears were realed. her body, beaten and sexually violated, was discovered in a cornfield. >> it can never be easy telling a parent that their child is dead. >> no. it wasn't. but at least we were able to tell them this is her, she's gone. we were able to erase all doubts. >> gary miller had a murder case to solve, and it was now a federal case involving prosecutor larry beaumont as well since jesse's body actually had been found across the illinois state line. for the next year, miller did lots of legwork but to no avail. >> every day you get up, are you thinking about this case? >> oh, every day. >> what have i missed? >> exactly. >> i know this case really shook him from the beginning, and he would check any and all leads that would involve young girls and kind of run them down. >> then in late 1994, miller's persistence finally paid off. a man in a van had been reported

chasing two teenage girls in jesse's hometown of georgetown. miller traced the van to a man named larry hall from wabash, indiana, a three-hour drive from georgetown. >> is your heartbeat starting to pick up a little bit now? >> oh, yeah. i'm thinking this has to be checked out. >> hall was a gung ho civil reactor, someone who traveled to fight civil battles. miller went to wabash to interview hall, who wasn't saying much. so he showed him a photo of jesse welch. >> when i put the photo down, he winced, turned in his chair and refused to look at the picture. >> convinced larry hall was hiding something, miller became obsessed with making a case against him. days later, back in illinois, miller turned up a huge lead. he found witnesses who vividly remembered hall from a revolutionary war reenactment in

the georgetown area the very weekend before jesse was abducted. to them, hall stood out for his bushy mutton chop sideburns but also for playing a soldier who was fighting the wrong war. >> he was wearing a civil war uniform, and he had a civil war hat. >> at a revolutionary war reenactment? >> exactly. >> armed with this new information, deputy sheriff miller returned to wabash for a second crack at hall. this time he pressed his suspect harder, stressing that hall's fellow reenactors had seen him near georgetown. >> he came along to the point where he said, you know, i go to so many reenactments, i could have been there and i just don't remember because i go to a lot of them. >> he was given a little more ground? >> yeah. >> miller seized the opening and kept at it. finally he said hall came clean and confessed that he abducted,

sexually violated and strangled jesse roach to death. >> how much detail did he give you about the killing of jessica roach? >> very detailed. what he did and what actually took place. >> not only that, miller said larry hall confessed to other killings, including a co-ed from nearby indiana university in marion, indiana named trisha rattler. >> deputy gary miller didn't know much about trisha, so he called the local police there who had been handling that case. but when mayrion detectives showed up, he started telling another story. he denied any killing, including jessica's and trisha's. what's more, he claimed it was all a misunderstanding about disturbing dreams that he had. >> he takes us out to a location where in my dreams, i strangled her here and left her lay here. we searched the woods, we

searched the area and never really found anything. >> the indiana cops who were familiar with hall were not at all surprised by his actions. some of them, like j. k., thought hall might be a wannabe, a pretender who gets his kicks by confessing to crimes he didn't commit. >> is it possible he's obsessed with these cases but not involved? >> there's no doubt in my mind that he does follow these cases, that he does read and is attracted to cases all over the country. so the question does come, is he a wannabe? >> deputy sheriff miller and prosecutor beaumont, however, felt certain they had a real killer on their hands, a serial killer with a unique m.o. he would drive cross country to reenactments where he played fantasy soldier, then prey on young women and kill for real. >> the fbi started discovering girls that were, in fact, missing at these various areas at the time larry hall would

have been there. >> but the only case for which prosecutors had sufficient evidence was jesse roach's. larry hall was arrested in connection with her death even though he denied making that confession to miller. hall went on trial in 1995. >> as a prosecutor, what's the best card you're holding? >> we had his statement, his confession, that said he did it. >> beaumont called deputy sheriff miller to the stand to testify that hall had, indeed, admitted that he abducted and killed jesse after he spotted her with her bicycle. >> she was walking her bike at that point. >> miller testified that in his confession, hall gave him a detail that only the killer would know, that jesse was not riding her bike but walking it, a safety precaution the roaches insisted she follow when she was on their narrow road. >> that was never in the press, that she was walking her bike that day. >> right. >> when you heard that, did that give more credence to the story?

>> oh, yeah. that sealed it for me. i knew he was the one. >> a jury unanimously agreed. it took just three hours to convict larry hall. but prosecutor beaumont believed this was just the tip of the iceberg. he felt certain hall was a serial killer, and now he had to find a way to prove it. so he began investigating trisha reitler's abduction, a case that wasn't his and a family he didn't even know. >> i can't imagine sending my daughter off to school and never seeing her again. >> he came up with an outside-the-box scheme to get hall, which would risk the life of that charismatic convict he had just put away for dealing drugs: jimmy keane. >> what happens when i got to deal with all these crazy killers and stuff? what if i get shanked? what if i get killed? am i going to survive this? coming up, a get out of jail free card with a price. >> they had your back. >> they had my back.

>> at least,

people typically don't admit murder, sexual assaults and murderers to police officers unless they have probably done it. so it was clear, we felt, he was responsible for the trisha reitler disappearance. >> she had just a zest for life, and she would walk in the room and everybody knew she was there. >> trisha reitler, a 19-year-old psych major, was on her way to becoming a family counselor. >> her goal was to be able to put families back together again. >> then in march 1993, donna and gary reitler received that late night phone call every parent dreads. a cop from marion, indiana was on the line. >> he said, do you know where

trisha is? in my heart, i knew that something was drastically wrong. >> trisha had walked to an off-campus supermarket and never returned to her dorm. now, nearly 20 years later, her parents are still waiting. >> you purchased her a cemetary plot. no headstone. >> no. not until we find her. >> somebody out there has that answer for us. >> trisha reitler wasn't even prosecutor beaumont's case, but he was deeply moved by her parents. >> that was always a horrible crime to me. i knew about the facts of the case and i knew about the family. i never met them, but i read all the newspaper articles and the accounts of them, you know, asking for help. >> beaumont felt certain that suspected serial killer larry hall was responsible. not only did hall live 25 minutes from indiana wesleyan, he had been identified chasing two co-eds there just a week

after trisha went missing. so in the summer of 1995, a month after convicting hall for jesse roach's murder, beaumont was leading a search for trisha. it was in those same indiana back woods where hall had told indiana authorities he dreamt he killed and buried trisha. >> i wanted to do everything we could to find her body. >> but after two days in sweltering heat and humidity, trisha's body didn't turn up. >> we couldn't find anything. it doesn't mean it wasn't there. >> then beaumont decided to try something completely different. >> i came up with the idea of putting somebody in the prison cell with him to see if we could get him to tell us what he did with trisha reitler. >> they didn't think you were crazy? >> most people thought i was crazy, yeah. but i was able to convince them we should do it, anyway. >> and to jimmy keane, the drug dealer beaumont had just convicted and sent to a prison.

>> why did this stick out in your mind? >> because i knew he was a con man, he was smart. if anybody could pull it off, he would be able to pull it off. >> you can go into a dangerous environment where a lot of people can't and you can maintain and protect yourself in an environment like that. >> in return, beaumont offered jimmy freedom, but first jimmy would have to exact more than a confession. >> i told him unless we found the body, he would get no credit. no body, you get nothing. >> jimmy was skeptical. he was a drug dealer, not a criminal profiler. and he knew this was a mission impossible. he said no. but then fate intervened. jimmy's dad suffered a stroke. weeks later, frail and sickly, he came to visit jimmy. >> my dad was in a wheelchair. this is big jim, the guy that had been superman to me my entire life. we cried through the window to each other and we talked for a while, and he didn't even know about the offer.

nobody knew about it. >> jimmy now realized he had a one-time opportunity to fix the mess he had made for himself and get out while his dad was still alive. >> as soon as we were done with the visit, i called my lawyer and i said, tell beaumont i'm going to take him up on his offer. >> the mission was on. so on august 3rd, 1998, federal martials escorted jimmy into the psychiatric prison. >> once they stepped out the door, i was on my own. >> jimmy's cover story was that he was a convicted web runner that pushed him over the edge and landed him in the psych prison. the chief psychologist couldn't protect him, nor could his outside lifeline, a female fbi agent who visited as his girlfriend to monitor his progress. >> i did have a hotline to her, too, so if i got caught in a dangerous situation, i could get ahold of her, and the deal was they would have me out of there in 24 hours. >> they had your back.

>> they had my back. >> at least that's what you thought. >> that's what i thought. >> when keane's mission began, it was all about him, his shot at freedom. he had few feelings, if any, about trisha reitler or her family. all he wanted was to get in and out with trisha's location and as fast as possible. day one. breakfast in the mess hall. jimmy zeroed in on larry hall. >> i was waiting with my tray and i look over and there he is, 20, 25 feet away from me, sitting there all by himself. it felt like a magnet was compelling me to come to him. and finally i bumped shoulders with him on purpose. >> jimmy explained he was a brand new inmate needing directions to the library. hallobliged. >> i contained of slapped him on the shoulder and i said, thanks a lot. i appreciate that from a cool guy like you. >> after that they occasionally talked. but the next step came when jimmy was invited to join hall's breakfast club. >> which in the prison system,

it's a big thing of who you're invited to have your breakfast with. >> keane thought he was making progress, but then prison politics got in the way. >> i left the chow hall one morning, and two really big, muscular guys came up to me and they said, hey, the old man wants to talk to you right now. right now he wants to talk to you. >> the old man was celebrity mafia vincent bagato who used to wander around in his bathrobe pretending to be nuts. >> he said, what's wrong with you? what's wrong with you? why are you hanging with those baby killers? you hang with us from now on. maybe someone comes up and puts a knife in your back. and he'd be at my cell early in the morning. jimmy, jimmy, get up. we're going to go play some bocci ball. what about breakfast? we'll get in a round of bocci ball and then go have breakfast. >> that's all very nice except you're trying to get out of

prison. >> exactly. >> vincent took up all his time and he barely had time to talk to hall. but then he learned that hall's favorite show was "america's most wanted." so one night jimmy would make a daring move, putting his body on the line just to gain larry's trust. coming up, jimmy's new best friend shares a nightmare. >> it was probably the hardest thing i've ever done in my life, to listen to this kind of stuff and not just rip him apart. >> when "the inside man" continues. [ mother bear ] you're not using too much are you, hon?

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geico. just click away with our free mobile app. by the fall of 1998, after several months in missouri's toughest federal prison, jimmy keane could have won a popularity contest. he charmed everyone just as beaumont knew he would.

he even went over some convicts with his lending library of pornographic magazines. and he managed to placate the chin and the mob faction by day while circling his prey, suspected serial killer larry hall, with one-on-one bull sessions at night. sfw >> we just talked about a lot of normal things, hung out, making him feel like i was wanting to be his friend. >> but it wasn't fast enough for keane who feared someone might recognize him and blow his cover. >> if you went by the fbi's technical terms, i was pretty much staying right on pace, but from my point of view of being in this place, it was starting to get very hard. >> on the outside, the mission mastermind, larry beaumont, could only sit and wait for secondhand news about how this crazy scheme of his was doing. >> were you pacing the floors, waiting for updates on all of this? >> i don't know if i was pacing the floor, but i was eager to get updates.

i had information they were starting to trust him, they were talking and that kind of thing. >> but beaumont had absolutely no idea that a breakthrough moment had arrived. it was a saturday night. keane and hall were in the prison's tv room watching "america's most wanted" again. >> and here comes this big prisoner. he's a big, muscular, buff guy. he goes over and changes the channel on the tv. hall said, hey. that's not right. i was watching that. i thought, this is a prime opportunity for me. >> jimmy, a martial arts expert who continued working out in prison, was ready for this moment. he got up and changed the channel back. >> he got up and he's slobbering all over the place. you don't touch that tv, i'll rip your f-ing head off, blah, blah, blah. he changes it and sits back down. i just changed the channel again.

he threw a cuss word at me, i threw a particular cuss word at him that i knew would tick him off, i kicked him through three rose of chairs, jumped on him and beat him to a pulp. >> hall had a ringside view of saturday night's main side event. he then called him the realthough yaretaliat retaliater, not the instigator. >> you're hall's new best friend? >> well, yeah. >> it brought him closer to hall, and now he was ready to make a bold move. in the prison library, jimmy had figured out a strategy to draw hall out on trisha reitler. >> i knew he was reading his hometown newspaper, and that was important to me to try cracking into his psyche.

>> jimmy decided to ask something that was already public knowledge, the jesse roach case. jimmy fibbed that he knew all about that case. >> all the newspaper stories say you've killed multiple women. >> that was a big risk, though. >> i said, larry, i don't care what you're in here for, but be honest with me, that's all. tell me what happened. i'm still going to be your friend no matter what. i've had girls do me wrong in my life. i understand how girls can get under your skin and how they can be bothersome to you. >> jimmy said he pressed hall about jesse roach. at last hall began to open up, recalling that september day in 1993. >> he was driving down a back country road and he seen her walking her bicycle. >> hall then told jimmy exactly how he abducted and killed jesse. >> you must have been revolted.