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sunday morning. good morning. in the news overnight, a dramatic rescue. hannah anderson, the kidnapped san diego teenager is safe after an all-out man hunt ended in the idaho wilderness. >> james lee dimaggio was shot and killed by a tactical agent. hannah anderson was located with dimagg dimaggio. she appears well. >> she will be reunited with her father this morning. one of the deadliest days in iraq for years. a series of car bombs all timed to hit those celebrating the end of ramadan. and across the region, 18 of the 19 american embassies and consulates closed after a global terror alert are open again. martha raddatz has been tracking the threats that led to the closing. are the embassies opening again now because u.s. officials believe the drone strikes
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in yemen this week actually got the plotters? >> george, officials say the plotters of this specific plan were not killed in strikes in yemen, but the dead are part of the network of terrorists trying to kill americans. intelligence officials believe the plan was to send a truck bomb into the u.s. embassy there. but a senior u.s. official, that because of the actions taken, the terrorists have likely moved the explosives out of the vehicle and are changing tactics. adding that we think that the imminent threat dissipated, but fear they have gone back to ground waiting for the next opportunity to strike. this immediate threat may have passed, but the threat of terrorism never passed. >> we heard from u.s. officials that tlebl that the nsa surveillance programs helped track this emerging threat.
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the president announced some reforms on friday in those programs. and had tough words for the nsa leaker edward snowden, said he was not a patriot. take a look. >> mr. snowden's been charged with three felonies. if he believes what he did was right, then like every american citizen, he can come here, appear before the court with a lawyer, and make his case. >> so, what have you been able to learn about what u.s. officials are trying to do to get snowden right now? >> some officials i've talked to wish that a deal could be struck to bring him back to the u.s. make no mistake. one official said he has done irrefutable damage. the more the terrorists know how we can monitor them, the less we will be able to. that's the single most important asset we have. some officials say we don't know all of what he has, we don't want him in the hands of the russians. whatever message it would send, he's gotten the president of the united states to make some changes. but the justice department has given no indication a deal is in
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the works. >> some pushing for it. thanks. now to the exclusive interview with lon snowden. the family's lawyer, thank you for joining us. some officials believe that a deal may be in the united states' interest. do you think your son is open to it? >> i'm not open it. that's what i'll share with my son. in terms of plea deal, at this point -- >> not open to it. >> not open to it. what i would like is for this to be vetted in open court for the american people to have all of the facts. what i have seen is political theater. i was disappointed in the president's press conference. i believe that's driven by his clear understanding that the american people are unhappy with what they've learned and more is forthcoming. >> what disappointed you in particular? >> what he suggested is superficial. we can go over that point by point if you would like, but a
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deal -- the only deal will be true justice. you know, justice should be the goal of our government. and it's also the goal of a civil society. >> those are the words of james madison. but i could make these points, george. number one, we have a date for visiting moscow. >> you're going to moscow. you have visas from the russians. >> we have visas, we have a date which we won't disclose because of the frenzy. >> it's imminent? >> very soon. and we intend to visit with edward and suggest criminal defense attorneys who have experience in espionage act prosecutions. there have only been ten in 100 years. we think it's important to go back to what president obama said about him not being a patriot. it was the voice of the american revolution, thomas payne who said it was someone who saves his country from his government. we heard about the alleged disasters that would ensue because of what edward has done. back to the bradley manning case, at the damage phase, the united states conceded not one person has been injured and
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impaired because of of what he disclosed. >> what was your reaction when you heard the president he's not a patriot? >> i would say, again, i think he was put in a tough spot. there's many questions that should have been asked that were not. i would have liked to see them ask about the dea special operation division, many other things, his treatment of whistle blowers. but if he's a patriot or others like peter king who says he's a traitor, what i would say is my son has spoken the truth. he sacrificed more than the president of the united states or peter king have ever in their political careers and their american lives. how they choose to characterize him really isn't -- >> you're not open to a deal, but it does sound like you're going to encourage your son to come back and face trial. >> i can add, because i wrote a letter with lon to the attorney general of the united states saying we would like to discuss conditions to make it permissible. >> pre-trial detention, no gag
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order, he would choose the venue. >> at a venue that was impartial because history of eastern virginia being a graveyard for defendants. they were not stated as ultimatums. they were subjects for discussion with non-circumvention clauses in there. understand, we can't dictate what the department does. >> as a father, you want your son to come home. >> as a father, i want him to come home if i believe that the justice system we should be afforded as americans is going to be applied correctly. if you consider the statements by the leaders in congress, they are irresponsible and inconsistent with our system of justice. they have poisoned the well in terms of a jury pool. where my son chooses to live the rest of his life is his decision. but i would like for him to be able to come back to the u.s. whether he's going to live here, and face this.
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i believe that the truth will shine through. it's clear that the american people regardless of the laws -- >> it does appear he broke the law. >> no. >> that's simply irresponsible to suggest before a trial someone has broken the law. may well be that what he disclosed is protected by the first amendment. the president conceded the there's something about irregular with the nsa program -- >> other avenues -- >> let's go with that. mr. snowden should have gone to the congress oversight committees. they have gone on record, dianne feinstein, guilty of treason. they knew for seven years what was going on and refused to disclose it to the american people. the best was some cryptic statements. if they knew what was going on, they would be stunned. edward snowden is supposed to go to them? that seems rather implausible because they were the ones responsible for the secrecy. >> i want to add to this. in terms of the president made the statement that the president had enacted whistle blower laws that protected contractors like my son edward, that is absolutely untrue.
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either the president is being mis-led by his advisers or he is intentionally mis-leading the american people. >> the whistle blower -- >> absolutely not. we should go through that. hypothetically, let's imagine he said there's a problem -- he got on an airline in honolulu and flew to washington, d.c., and lands at dulles and actually gets an audience, let's say, peter king, or dianne feinstein. how do we think he would have been received if he had a private audience? we have seen how they reacted, they spin the truth, he would have been buried and we would have never known the truth. >> i know you haven't been in direct contact with your son, but what do you know about his condition right now? >> i'll say that having spoken with his russian attorney, he said he's safe. he obviously is exhausted. but he's now needing a period of
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time where he can recoup his energy level and reflect on what he wishes to do going forward. that's from his attorney. we hope to meet with him very soon, with edward in the next weeks. >> good luck. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and the chairs of the foreign affairs committee, robert menendez, democrat, and republican congressman ed royce, the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee. senator, let me begin with you, you heard this from lon snowden, and his attorney, they don't believe that ed snowden could have gotten a fair hearing had he come to congress. >> i don't think that's true. i as a father appreciate the vigorous defense that mr. snowden is providing for his son. but in my view, ed snowden is a fugitive who deserves to be in an american courtroom, not in asylum in russia. i believe he would have got an fair hearing. all the time issues related to the government by whistle
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blowers who come forth and bring those issues to the attention of the congress is often the way to have action. he didn't need to undermine america's national security to pursue whatever his conscious led him to do. there's a process by which he could have pursued his interest in a way that doesn't undermine the national security of the united states. when we have our sources and methods known by our enemies, we undermine the national security of the united states. i would say it's easy since we have not, thank god, had an attack on american soil since september 11th, to minimize the threat, but it's real. and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. we have to do it right 100% of the time. that's a tough standard. >> and a key member of your committee from california who's chair of the subcommittee dealing with russia seems to have sympathy with edward snowden. this is him yesterday on c-span. >> i thought he was being loyal to the rest of us by letting the
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american people know that the government was getting out of hand. accepting him for asylum, i think, was not as hostile an act as its being portrayed. >> do you agree with those views on edward snowden and russia? >> no, i do not. and we have to keep in mind here that the conundrum we're in is one in which al-qaeda is learning how we track them, and second, you know, with this new master bomb-maker that they've used in yemen to develop this new strategy, the underwear bomber, for example, his attempted attack was at the behest -- at the -- with the support of this master bomb-maker. this master bomb-maker now is teaching his trade, we happen to know, to a lot of other bomb-makers in yemen, and they're going on the internet with this capability, and with the hope of bringing into the
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united states agents to carry out these types of attacks. attacks which are undetectable. and so we're in the process of trying to monitor what al-qaeda is doing overseas and here in the united states in order to try to replicate that particular attempted attack and to expand it demonstrably. so when you have someone who is giving out the means and methods in which we're tracking al-qaeda, it is a problem for the united states. and secondarily, when we're talking about the former head of the kgb, president putin in russia, this is not been an ally. as you know, the administration has tried to engage him on several issues such as missile defense, and has worked with him on trade issues. and we have not seen any reciprocation from the russians
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because this former kgb agent still has a sense of hostility to the west and to the united states. >> so, senator, how do we get the relationship with russia back on track? the president says there's no bad relations between he and president putin personally, but they are at odds on every major issue. >> well, look, you know, russia should be looking towards how do they achieve a prosperous future for the citizens versus going back to an authoritarian past. we seem to be more invested in the effort to create a relationship with russia that can be productive for both countries more than putin is. it seems to me that as we've tried to restart this relationship several times, maybe now is a moment to pause and think about how we're going to move forward with russia. they are unresponsive to us as it relates to the tragedies that are going on in syria. they are unresponsive to us as it relates to further nuclear arms reduction. they are unresponsive when they
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violate the rights of gay and lesbians including foreign visitors who would come to russia and be arrested. they are unresponsive when they stop the adoptions by americans of russian children. i look at that and think it's time to pause and think about the relationship and how to pursue it in a way to promote the national security and interest of the united states. >> do you think that ed snowden would get a ir trial in the united states? >> i think he could get a fair trial in the united states. and i think that the concern here is that in -- in going to china and going to russia and in particular with respect to the authorities that he's meeting with in russia, i think this further compounds the problem for u.s. intelligence. and i think we have existing whistle blower capabilities here in the united states. on a regular basis, whistle blowers come forward, give information to congress, and we
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attempt to address those issues. going to china and going to russia was not the solution to the problem. it compounds our difficulties in the united states with respect to al-qaeda. >> congressman, senator, thank you for your time. >> thank you. roundtable up next. joaquin castro and louis gohmert on obamacare and immigration. plus all kinds of action in iowa this weekend. and stumping for hillary, and donald trump, his interview on "this week". >> ted cruz, born in canada. is he eligible to be president of the united states? >> well, if he was born in canada, perhaps not. nada, perhaps not. is being streamed.music a quarter million tweeters are tweeting. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online. that's why hp built a new kind of server. one that's 80% smaller. uses 89% less energy. and costs 77% less. it's called hp moonshot. and it's giving the internet the room it needs to grow.
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force across the hawkeye state this morning. jonathan karl is there. >> reporter: good morning. donald trump was here, he gave a speech saying that passing immigration would be a death wish for the republican party. he may run, but that has some people raising their eyebrows and some rolling their eyes. could you be taken seriously? >> i have built a great company with a tremendous net worth. and beaten a lot of people that are very smart. and that's what the country needs. >> reporter: what do you say that a possible trump candidacy is a joke? it's a publicity stunt, to get more attention for yourself? >> interestingly, i filed applications last time, and i filed my net worth. i'm a private person, nobody knows. people were shocked at the number. now it's bigger than it was. how strong the company is, how much cash. it's a beautiful company. it's a company like this country should look. >> reporter: what's the number, what are you worth now? >> probably over $10 billion.
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>> reporter: if you were to run for president, how much would you be willing to spend? >> if i made a decision, i'd spend a lot. >> reporter: a modern presidential campaign would be half a billion dollars. >> it could. or more. >> reporter: that much? >> if i did it, i would spend what it took. >> reporter: your assessment on the field. give me the first word that pops to mind. marco rubio. >> immigration. >> reporter: rand paul. >> interesting. >> reporter: paul ryan. >> well, you know, i really like him a lot. but you have to look at what he says about the social security and medicare and medicaid. it's a tough road. but i do like. let's say medicare. >> reporter: chris christie. >> wonderful person. he's a wonderful guy. >> reporter: ted cruz. >> obamacare. he really is fighting on trying stop this absolute disaster for the united states called obamacare. >> reporter: donald trump.
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>> smart. >> reporter: you said a lot of things over the years that people say make you not serious. one of the big things is on the birth certificates. >> why does that make me not serious? i think that resonated with a lot of people. >> reporter: but you don't question he was born in the united states, do you? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: even at this point? >> was there a birth certificate? you tell me. you know some people say that was not his birth certificate. nobody knows. you don't know either. you're a smart guy. >> reporter: i'm pretty convinced. >> you said pretty. >> reporter: totally convinced. >> you said you're pretty convinced. let's see what happens over time, but it's not my issue, jonathan. my issue right now is much different. wait a minute -- my issue is economic. our country is being ripped apart by china and many other countries. that's my issue. >> reporter: but on this
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issue -- >> you said you're pretty sure. you're pretty sure, that's not acceptable. you have to be 100% sure. >> reporter: i'm 100% sure. >> i don't think you are. >> reporter: let me ask you this, ted cruise. born in canada. if he was born in canada, is he eligible to be president of the united states? >> if so, he's not. >> reporter: he was definitely born in canada. >> you'll have to ask him this. >> reporter: his mother was an american citizen. >> that'll be ironed out. i heard somebody told me he was born in canada. that's his thing. >> reporter: you played golf with john boehner the other day. >> i did. >> reporter: the big question is will house republicans pass a funding bill for the government that includes funding for obamacare. should they? >> w well, that is a good question. i do think this, the budget should be funded. but i don't think that obamacare should be funded. and the republicans are in many ways their own worst enemy. i happen to be a republican. if they get together and were unified, i think they could do
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damage to get rid of obamacare chas very positive thing for the country. >> reporter: you know hillary clinton. >> i do. >> reporter: how touch ever tough will she be to beat if she's the nominee? >> she will be tough. >> reporter: what do they need to do to beat her or whatever the candidate is? >> they need to pick the right candidate. mitt romney was -- in theory, everything should have been good. it didn't. didn't resonate. wonderful guy, didn't resonate. they have to pick the right candidate. >> reporter: the iowa caucus are two and a half years away, but this place is crawling with possible presidential candidates. just this weekend, we have seen ted cruz, of course, donald trump, rick santorum, and even claire mccaskill was out here on behalf of hillary clinton. if you're here in iowa, looks like the 2016 presidential campaign is already well underway. >> all right begun.
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thanks very much. more from the powerhouse roundtable. joined by george will, donna brazile, louis gohmert, republican, and joaquin castro, democrat. both from texas. setting aside donald trump, it appears there's an intensity of activity in iowa, particularly on the republican side. we saw claire mccaskill out for hillary this weekend. it's in part because it's so wide open in the gop. >> both parties will be nominating someone who's not president. that opens it up a lot. the democratic field, they have a weak bench, and be careful what they wish for to clear the field and have no competition. the last time almost uncontested nomination was '56, with stevenson. he probably would have been beaten anyway, but he was beaten. competition is good for parties. the republican party is going to get their fill of it. >> no question, but there does not appear to be that much competition yet, understandably, with hillary clinton out there find of freezing the field. >> i don't think so.
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martin o'malley made noise he's interested, joe biden, and kristen gillibrand, elizabeth warren, a lot of buzz, and governor cuomo from new york. a lot of talk. and let me not forgot joe biden. he will call me this afternoon and remind me. it's too early to handicap the race, if hillary clinton gets into the race, there will be a coronation of her because there are so many democrats who last time around supported her, who i think are anxious to see her out there again. >> i read your brother, mayor of san antonio, heading to iowa as well. you accompanying him? >> he's not running for anything. he's headed out to the harkin steak fry in september. >> a lot of tilling of the ground. let me bring this back to you, congressman, because it seems there's a brewing potential civil war inside the republican
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party. you heard sarah palin last night said she was on the team of rand paul versus chris christie. >> there's a lot of competition out there. with regard to the democratic side, i seem to remember in 2007, this was hillary's nomination. obama may run just to be ready in 2016. the point being you never know. i think that's true where we are with the republicans. i don't think you could say. i would never have predicted that somebody named mccain would end up being the nominee after 2007 when the story was he was so low he had to carry his own bags. i don't think you should underestimate the power iowa has to attract people to the state fair of the fried butter. it is absolutely incredible. >> you have an excellent point. >> republicans have a lot of experience with civil war, 1912, roosevelt and taft. 1964, rockefellers and
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bhoop -- whoops, excuse me, goldwater. what republicans need to bear in mind is one number, 28. 18 states have voted democratic in six consecutive elections back to 1992. if they hold the base, and they look for 28 electoral votes, they've got 242 in those states, they'll find them. >> i think what's most problematic for republicans is they seem to be taken by the tea party more extreme base, so the candidates that are most appealing right now are the ted cruzs, the rand pauls, those folks. if they nominate them, it's 1964 all over again. that's not majority of americans. >> is that your fear? >> not really. at the tea party, i see people from all races, ages, genders. the thing they have in common is they're paying income tax. i don't think you should rule out district of columbia voting for republican if we'll pass my bill that ends the unfairness
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for d.c. in their income tax. they don't have a full voting member of congress. >> d.c. goes -- >> so get rid of their income tax. the gohmert bill. >> the pew survey says 84% of tea party voters vote in primaries. they're intense, they're organized and they come out to vote. that's going to matter. particularly in iowa with a crowded republican field. and rand paul starts with his father's constituency in a crowded field, that's a plurality. >> but the tea party is like a -- a controlled wildfire that is now burning the republican party, especially the republican party establishment. so i don't know if the tea party is good for the republican party in 2016 given the fact that it has narrowed the base of the party. >> and it's igniting an immediate confrontation. >> and i think that's why, george, i really think they have one or two more election cycles where they can continue like this. otherwise the infighting is
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