we struck autopsy friendship around that and make joke about it should i send awe present should you send me a present and it's still one of those things and still is one of those things it feels kind of like it doesn't register what that really means. what it means you don't have to worry about sometimes pl it occurs to me being in a store. should i get this one or that one i can get them bothth icap get it all. but other than that it doesn't. i just sort of you know become not accustomed but i have moved into the space that i tonight have to worry about the this innings that i used to have to worry about. like paying your bills and all the things that really cause people to be in conflict a lot. but don't allow you to open up

the space of your life. so because i don't have that as a worry i get to think about other things. i was thinking of my family the other day whom i support. >>reporter: emotionally. >> no. i support them emotionally too. talking about this i said well, you know wha what, you get to have dreams when your house is paid for. you get to did that. so i feel in i feel in blessed and i feel in like sometimes item unimaginable to me that this would girl from mississippi and just yesterday i was talking to head of my foundation about boys and girls club i founded down in mississippi and how we can continue to support that. >>reporter: rate. >> i think -- wait until you go down there and see the also road that i lived on and -- i mean i don't know such a thing existed so now for you to say

whatever number i am 184 about to be even in that arena is a mighty big deal. >>reporter: coming up. i ask the question that everyone wants to know. they have been together 27 years. oprah. will you leave this earth as a will you leave this earth as a never married woman that's next. kerry washington kicks off our exclusive scandal week. expose and who leak the secret. >> will we be absolutely floored? olivia and her daddy how serous they. >>reporter: on tuesday inside

tv love tray angle. >> mr. square if you will because it's scandal. >>. >>reporter: revealing season shoot. >> by the way i'm not wearing anything under that. >>reporter: on thursday crazy premier. >> because crazy suffers. >>reporter: on friday how scandal plans to mick social media history and shut down twitter. >> absolutely. >> absolutely.

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everybody. oprah. will you leave this earth as a never married woman. >> yes. >> definitive. that's your final answer. >> [ laughing] this is good. that's good. [ laughing] you didn't come up with that. yes i think that's my final answer. i think it's my final answer. interesting that you would ask it. i think it's really interesting that you would ask it because i have thought about it again and tina turner wedding. >>reporter: really. >> because 10 a was like you need to do this oprah. you need to do it. i don't have to do it. you need to do this and i was thinking okay would things be different would it be

different i don't think so. i think my final answer is i'm going to leaf this earth as a never married woman. and that is really okay with me. it's really okay. because stedman would tell you that shaun if you ever interviewed him, would he tell you that had we married we would not be together today. >>reporter: really. >> no. no. >>reporter: why is that. >> because he's a traditional man. and this is a very untraditional relationship and i think it's acceptable as a relationship but if i had the title wife, i think there would be some other expectation for what a wife is and what a wife does. you have to come home for one thing. [ laughing] that's how the interview should that's how the interview should end ♪

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>> 10-year-old olivia o'donnell loves to bake. when her father was diagnosed with cancer, her passion took on a new meaning and she sold cupcakes and donated all of the proceeds. she's going to have a new kitchen where she can continue to help others for years to

come. >> my name is olivia and i'm 10 years old. i'm going to copeland middle school for 6th grade. i found a passion for baking. and i have been baking at least six times a week. >> this is our house in new jersey. we have two beautiful daughters. molly age 13 and olivia age 10. >> i believe she has found her passion with baking. >> she loves it. >> dad taste this and i don't want to taste this all of the time. it's always something good and great and i go back to the gym again. it's good to see her have a passion for something.

>> last year memorial day, i was diagnosed with colon rectal cancer. life took a different turn. radiation and chemo in the beginning and surgery and ileostomy, reverse ileostomy and 18 weeks of chemo. i have a clean bill of health and the cancer was never going to get in the way of what we are all about. on my last day of chemo, she baked a sheet cake for the nurses and the patients. and on top of it was a superman logo and flash logo. when the people found out that 10-year-old baked it from scratch, they went crazy. >> after she baked the cake, i posted it and someone from the american cancer society contacted me. she asked me if we would want to

be part of the relief for life. >> i donated 800 cupcakes and we had over $3,500 donated for cancer research. >> it was hard because our oven is not very good and we had to wait an hour after we made the batter to put them this and out one at a time. >> the restrictions this the kitchen, i cannot stand watching her climb the cupboards to get down what she needs. that drives me nuts. the fact that the kitchen is a disaster because she's running back and forth between the garage and the kitchen and the other area. it doesn't work. it holds her back. she spends a lot of time where she could be baking new things working around the limitations

of the kitchen. >> i would like to raise more money for cancer research and i feel that cancer was -- is one of the main illnesses and i want to make it go away. >> hey, how is it going, everyone. >> it's nice to meet you. >> nice to meet you. >> so excited. i'm shaking. >> how is it going? >> you must be olivia? bring it in. how are you? >> good. >> i heard so much about you. i need a cup of sugar. no. no. i heard about you, olivia. people are screaming your name from the mountain tops. we are here to make that kitchen better than ever. >> what do you think? >> yeah. >> i'm going to ask you to pack

up and get out of here. it would not be a surprise while you were living here. we got a place for you to go. i'm going to get my crew to destroy that kitchen and make it better than ever. let's get to work. >> all right, guys. welcome to the o'donnells. helping us out is jeff and michelle. as you can see, this is the kitchen. it is what one might call cozy, that's why i brought you in. we can do something special for the family and make this out of this world. the only thing worth saving in this kitchen is the fridge. of course, the picture of olivia. >> absolutely. >> everything else boom. >> i don't know how we are going to get it out of here. the doors are small. we may have to knock out the walls.

>> we really are dealing with, you know, the walls that we have right here. except for this wall. >> we will take down. that is not a bearing wall. >> this wall over here. we have a bearing wall to deal with. post down to the ground here and this wall expose into the dining room. >> we have eight fooilings. we need to take the cabinets up to the ceiling and help with storage. >> we are opening up the kitchen into the living room and dining room. we are going to have to incorporate the dining room and the living room with the rescue. >> there's an existing fireplace. we are going to tie it into the kitchen. everything will tie it in as well. we have ideas with the trim work. everything will flow as one. >> we got to get rid of this broken oven and terrible microwave and get

her something new. >> double oven. you think we can fit it there. >> we can go with a cook top and snuck in a double oven that is amazing for baking. >> if she can cook 700 cupcakes in this, imagine what you can do in a day? >> i'm psyched. we have a game plan opening this place up. ripping everything up. brand new kitchen soup to nuts. shall we start? >> get going. >> all right! >> for everything that matters, there a deep and rich enduring color. benjamin moore. find a store near you at benjaminmoore.com.

>> let's do demo. i got anything and everything you could possibly need. safety glasses and ear protection and respirators. start ripping it apart. along with protective gear on your eyes and ears, you want to protect the house. that's why we sealed off of the area that we are doing for the rest of the house. >> the designer should take the first whack at the wall. >> 100%. >> yeah! >> you guys get in here. i can do it by myself because i'm awesome with that. >> normally i would take a sledgehammer to these cabinets. they are still in good working order. we are going to get them out of

the house and hopefully some other family can use them. olivia, you are getting new ones. i think we just about done with the demo. >> we have to do cleanup. and then get the framing going. >> totally missed your hand on that one. >> that was bad. >> jeff, you know what this kitchen needs? >> what is that, george? >> cabinets. >> would say so. so why don't we take a ride down to creative cabinetry and see what's going on. >> all right. let's go. >> this is what we are doing for the o'donnells. >> that's the kitchen. >> we have taken out these walls. they no longer exist. we put in the place is all of

this. we are bringing the cabinets up to the ceiling. i love this island. >> with this picture. this is going to be a different color. this is the main kitchen cabinet doors flat panel. beautiful. this is the stone product that we are going to use for the countertops. this is the island color. special behind that door out there. >> that's the shop. >> that's where you build the cabinets? >> let's see what's being made right now. >> let's do it. >> george, jeff gives us enough warning, we can probably install this tomorrow. >> if i have to work through the night, manny, i will get it done for you. >> they got a new employee. >> starts with good mentors and teachers. i have the best around for you two. >> i count three here. >> these guys.

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>> jeff, i can't help thinking about this fireplace. i love the idea of incorporating it. i got to make sure that it flows. >> you're right. let's make this whole wall pop to tie it in. >> i love it. >> remove everything. the stone and bring in this new tile that mimics and stack it and raised panels going up. and crown molding to tie into

the kitchen cabinets. >> i love that. >> benjamin moore with these rooms. it has low odor. it's safe for everyone in the family. it has fantastic color. using white here. it's formulated especially to resist mildew. when you have steam coming off of the pot, you don't have to worry about the grime that comes on the wall, the color is not going anywhere. it's the perfect paint. especially in the kitchen. >> what are we doing? where is this going? >> this is the cook top cabinets. to put that in, we have to cut a hole. >> and put the painters tape on there to protect the cabinet.

more than one way to skin a cat or use painter's tape. >> some of the things we have done here for olivia because she's not as tall as some of us. we have this stool here. you can open it. >> it lives down in there. >> absolutely. she can put it here and reach up and it's strong enough to hold the big guy like me. she will be fine on it. >> for the countertops in the kitchen, we went from a style that's made from quartz. it's really hard. impact and scratch resistance. antibacterial formula that will help. >> put in a sink and dishwasher. done.

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>> the thing about back splash tile is you have to work around things. wires here which is going into the under cabinet lighting and have the outlets in. it's not like a floor that is an open surface. it's a little bit more obstacles. it will get done. it will get done. we are moments away from cupcake time. not a reveal. it's cupcake time. that's what this rescue is all

about. >> how high are we going to hang the drapes. >> most people think when they come home with the drapery rods, think it should be hung right above the trim. that doesn't give you height in the room. i want to bring you high up to this crown molding. i want to hang it blow the crown at 90 inches. more length in our drape and feel like a taller window. >> oh. it did come with a wrench. >> oh. >> lighting has arrived with the chandelier. get it installed. >> a lot of times people think color, you have to have reds,

blues and oranges. not the case. by using darks and lights and different shades, you have different color. >> clean dinner wear and buy a new accent dinner plate that changes the look. we have the balance and light and dark. >> and with that, this place is done. let's get olivia and the family. >> come on. >> oh, my god. >> oh, my god! >> oh, my god! >> george to the rescue is sponsored by hilton short hills of northern new jersey where hospitality awaits.

>> this project for olivia and also the family is going to be an amazing thing. she's going to have a gorgeous kitchen with so much space. knowing that i helped out a family from my hometown and i grew up in, it's a joy. there's a passion there and now to see the finish, it's unbelievable. >> olivia does so much for others raising money for cancer, it feels good to do something for her. i'm so excited to give olivia a kitchen that works and she's able to bake and do multiple things at once. she has counter surface. i can't imagine what she will create and all of the people she will touch through her baking. >> reveal time. hey, olivia. hey, guys. >> hi! >> how is everyone doing? >> good. good.

good. >> hi. hi. >> hi. >> hi, molly. you guys ready to check out the new kitchen. >> so ready. glad to be home. >> ready to do baking at home? >> yeah. >> i know you are all going to be happy and everyone who has come through this door who met me and been in the neighborhood, everyone is fans of you guys and so excited to take part of this project. excited to show you what is done. olivia, you want to lead the way? >> sure. >> oh, my god. >> oh, my god. oh, my god! oh, my god! >> oh, my god! >> so nice. >> oh, my god. >> oh, my god!

>> gosh. so beautiful. >> check this out. >> oh, my god. >> are you kidding me with that? >> oh, that's awesome. >> that is great. >> so cool. >> have you ever seen anything like that? >> no. >> i don't want to leave it. if i put a blanket and a pillow, i would sleep there. but i love it. it looks so much more open. and without the wall there, it's -- looks like a whole new space. >> and, of course, we wanted to make sure we had a beautiful kitchen, not just for olivia, it's a family rescue. it's for everything you have been through, chuck, all of you guys. olivia, you brought us here, this is a family rescue. obviously, i wouldn't have done this by myself.

everyone who helped us out with this project is outside. what do you say we go on out and greet them. >> exactly. >> all right! [applause] [cheers and applause] >> awesome! >> i can't thank george enough and the whole team of people, but just the entire staff from beginning to the end in how wonderful everyone was with us and how accommodating everyone has been and treating us like part of the "george to the rescue" family, it's a wonderful experience from beginning to end. >> i know this is the beginning. i'm proud of being part of building this kitchen. thank you olivia and chuck and the entire family. 1, 2, 3!

rescue! whoa! >> all right. this is the place that you do your apprenticeship? >> yeah. >> what are we doing today? >> red velvet cupcakes. >> let's get to work. >> all of the cupcakes i have eaten in my life, i never baked any. how am i doing? don't judge me now. this one died. oh, dear. >> put that one in there. >> oh, dear. oh, dear. goodness. i might have to eat this one. sorry. it's not good for business probably if we eat all of our product, but -- oh, god. so good.

breaking news this morning, government by crisis, we are one step closer to a government shutdown, so how will it end? >> our message to congress is this, do not shut down the government. do not shut down the economy. pass a budget on time, pay our bills on time. >> all republicans are asking tonight is give the nation a year to study a 2500 page bill that even speaker nancy pelosi

had not a clue what was in it. >> this morning, the fight and the politics behind the standoff, an exclusive interview with republican senator cruz of texas. he has elevated the fight to new levels. >> i intend to fight on the obama care until i am no longer able to stand. >> where does his fight go from here? plus, our political roundtable, joining me msnbc's chris matthews, former governor, john huntsman, and democratic strategist, dee dee meyers, is the nuclear disarmament deal now possible? i'm david gregory, for "meet the press," on sunday, september

29th. >> from nbc news in washington, this world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >> and good morning, the fast-moving developments, last night the house of representatives voted to delay president obama's health care law as part of an emergency spending, the president promises to veto, the vote brings the country a step closer to a government shutdown, kelly o'donnell has more. >> reporter: well, good morning, david you might expect there was action since the government was threatening to shut down tomorrow. but that is not happening, congress is on pause, after working until the wee hours they paid their message clear, but the senate tells me they are rejecting that flatly. that comes tomorrow. so today, when the country is

waiting for an answer, congress is on hold. here is where we stand, this is what the house has done, they are passing funding to keep the government open and operating but with conditions to delay the president's health care law by a year, and to repeal a medical device tax paid by manufacturers for things like pacemakers or defibrillators, or delay that. also, they do want military paychecks to keep coming. but again, that is the house version where they stand. the senate says no way, the only thing they would consider is simply keeping the government open, nothing that would affect the health care law. >> so the contest begins, canke o'donnell, i know you will be watching, thank you, joining me this morning, ted cruz, the man in the middle of the fight. so here are the stakes,

de-funding, say you and other republicans, the president says no way. the law is moving forward. are you in control? >> at the end of the day every senator has to decide how he or she is going to vote. every representative has decided how they are going to vote. the house last night voted to keep the government open, to fully fund the government, but at the same time the house responded to the millions of americans who are hurting under obama care, and i think the senate needs to do the same thing. >> i looked at polling that shows the law is unpopular, 56% want to uphold this law, so when you say listen to the american people, they're not necessarily with you. >> well, look at the phrase "uphold the law," when you do the polling, the answer is always yes. >> just polling methods -- >> i promise you any senator or

representative that goes home to their home state and you hold a town hall and just ask people who are you facing? i mean, i have spent hundreds of hours chris-crossing the state of texas, and people all over the country are being forced out of jobs, losing their premiums and health insurance. >> we'll get into particulars of obama care, because obviously there is more to that story that advocates will argue with. so let's stick to that story. how does this end? because as i understand it, you would only support de-funding obama care, a delay is not enough. >> well, the next step, let's talk about that, the senate needs to act, in my view harry reid should call the senate back in today. we have a bill in front of us, there is a government shutdown in 48 hours. listen, i would love to be in houston with my two little girls playing with them this afternoon, but as you know i'm here in washington, d.c., as you

know the senate should not be on vacation -- >> you know, the senate has acted, the majority leader would say, passed a bill to keep the government open. and then we've gone back to delaying or de-funding obama care. should they take a part of it? would you filibuster this bill? >> let's be clear what the senate has done so far. so far, majority leader harry reid has essentially told the house of representatives and the american people go jump in the lake, he said i am not willing to compromise or talk. his position is obama care must be funded 100% in all instances or he will shut the government down. i hope he doesn't do that, david, i hope he backs away from the ledge he is pushing us towards. but that is his position. >> but senator, even republicans that i have spoken to, your colleagues say senator cruz can't blame harry reid for shutting down the government. senator reid acted. he passed a bill to keep the

government open. >> but let's be clear, the house has twice now voted to keep the government open. and if we have a shutdown, it will only be because when the senate comes back harry reid says i refuse to talk. also, let's be clear, president obama has granted a delay for big corporations, every big corporation has gotten a delay. if harry reid shuts the government down he will be saying if american families don't get a delay like the corporations, hard working american families, he is going to insist they suffer. >> it is interesting, democrats say you know the promise with senator cruz' position is it is a purist position. there are problems with obama care. we have had some polls saying there is great dissatisfaction at the town halls, but you haven't debated on how to change the law, what you have gone out

and said let's kill the law, let's de-fund it. >> actually, with respect , david, i think it is wrong, i voted to repeal the law, but that was not my position in this fight. my position is de-fund it, which is different than repeal. and even now what the house of representatives has done is a step removed from de-funding. it is delaying it. now that is the essence of a compromise, delaying, simply on the same terms that has been done for the big corporations, that is a compromise. and at the same time, david, on the other side, what have the democrats compromised on? zero, their position is absolutely no, no matter what. >> you make this argument as if there is no broader context here. obama care has been -- has been adjudicated and it has been tested to the political system. and so let's go through that. we had an election where i heard

the standard bearer for the republican party, mitt romney, saying that obama care should be repealed. all the republicans already voted against this thing when it was ultimately passed, the supreme court upheld it. and then your colleagues said let's have a strategy de-funding obama care and the letter, and they joined you in that fight. well, here now you don't even have the same number of folks who signed the letter who voted for this effort. there are not protests in the streets arguing to do away with the law the way that you would like. again, 51% of the poll this week, let's uphold the law. so i'm focusing on results. your goal and results. where have you moved anything? >> okay look, the facts are becoming more and more clear that obama care is not working. every day that is more clear, there is a reason the unions are jumping ship. one union after another is saying let me out.

there is a reason why the president of the team, james hoffa, used millions, saying obama care was destroying their health care. destroying is his word. now, why is it that harry reid and the senate democrats are not willing to listen to the millions of men and women -- >> but you're a terrific lawyer, you're making an argument, i asked you a specific argument based on the facts on the ground. you made these arguments for 21 hours, my goodness, you haven't moved anyone. >> look, the american people rejected obama care, they understand it is not working. the only people making the argument are the career politicians in washington, harry reid who wants to use brute force, the great thing about the constitution, the checks and balances, the ability to check one another, president obama has over and over again disregarded the law. when he granted an exemption for

giant corporations, that was contrary to law. right now we have a system where the rich and powerful, those with connections to the obama administration, they get spared some of the burdens of obama care. but those who were struggling, single moms and young people and people who are just trying to make it. >> you're a proponent of the law, millions are getting access to health care they couldn't otherwise afford. parents with children, others with conditions getting in the way of insurance. i spoke to a hospital administrator this week in illinois saying utilization is down, you can't know what the effect of five years from now is on this law. and nor can proponents of the law. but here is one argument, you've made yours, and the president, when he spoke this week, referred to your words. i want to play a portion,

suggesting what you really don't want is the law to go forward because people may start to like it, is what he said. >> he said it is going to prove almost impossible to undo obama care, ñrright? so in other words, we've got to shut this thing down before people find out that they like it. >> you don't think americans will like it? you don't think that 25% of the state of texas that is uninsured will actually like the expanded access to get health insurance? >> i don't, and here is why, because it is not working. what happens, if you want people to get health insurance, the best way to get health insurance is to get a job, and obama care is the biggest job killer in the country. if you look at the mandate, half of the business managers are reducing or hiring part-time workers. another 24% said they were not growing to keep their size under

50 workers. if you're a young person out of school unable to find a job, a big part of the reason you can't find a job is because small businesses are not growing because of obama care. and there is nothing that can give you better health insurance than having a vibrant economy where you can get a job. let's take the thousands of workers at ups who just received notice from their employers that spousal insurance was being dropped. let's look at the workers of sea world who were told we're reducing your hours because of obama care, people are hurting. >> there are also researchers on my side who say there is no reason health insurers would stop giving insurance to their employees, it is a major tool to get employees. and health care, perhaps these problems that you're identifying

could be solved short of complete de-funding. i want to start for just a moment to get you clear. a government shutdown, that is an acceptable outcome to you? >> look, i don't want a government shutdown. i don't think that harry reid should shut down the government. the house of representatives did something significant, which is they passed a bill to make clear that regardless of what happens the men and women of our military -- they should be paid. that passed unanimously in the house. and listen, right now, harry reid and president obama had been essentially holding the military hostage, threatening their paychecks over this potential shutdown. they might force. i think regardless of what happened we should pass the bill. we should not have a shutdown, which means harry reid has to move off his absolutist position. you have been multiple compromises from the republicans, and can you tell me what the democrats have done to

compromise -- >> but what has he done -- as i outlined before, you have lost ground from even the summer on the position of getting people to vote with you. you lost ground from that position and you haven't persuaded one democrat. you have got to be democrats if you're going to overturn this thing. >> well, actually, joe manchin came out saying he supported the delay in the original mandate. listen, last time this was in the senate, there was division among the republicans. i had hoped the republicans would be united. that didn't happen, i'll tell you this, this next time around, this is an opportunity -- >> you have raised money on this, taken to the floor for 21 hours, you haven't moved anything legislatively, do you concede that point? >> david, i don't, and the establishment has been exempted from some of the harms. members of congress, how can you

possibly justify to the american people that members of congress are exempted from the law? are not put on the exchanges like millions of americans. >> well, they're part of the exchanges, they don't get a portion by the employers -- >> but anyone on the exchange doesn't. >> but hundreds of thousands with their employers do -- >> but people with the exchange don't, you want people frustrated with washington? the simplest reason is you have politicians in both parties who are not listening to the people. they get a different set of rules. harry reid said to president obama, we don't want the obama care. i had an exchange with dick durbin, who argued we should stick the american people in coach. i think his own analogy shows what is wrong with this system, at a minimum, members of

congress shouldn't be treated better than the american people, and should he be willing to compromise he would agree what the house has done to delay all of this saying it is not ready for prime time. it is not working, and we'll treat the american people at least as well as the others. >> you are talking about democrats, it is hard for them to get a word in edge wise, because there are members of your party who are so critical of what you have done and how you have done it. you have colleagues who accused you of putting on a show. congressman peter king said you're a fraud, lying to the base. george will, who has been a conservative columnist for "the washington post," who has been great, supportive of you in the past. but he wrote this past week, and i want you to respond. those people who deceive others first deceive themselves, allowing their wishes to be fodders of their thoughts by

beginning to wish everything has changed. they should remember everett dirksen of illinois, the leader of senate republicans during passage of the 1964 civil rights act recalled, 40 preachers caught me one afternoon there in the lobby "i'm not a moralist." are you more legislative than others? >> i'm just trying to fight for 26 million texans, and for the american people. and i'm pretty sure what he argued is we should be delaying obama care, which is exactly what the house of representatives just voted to do. and one important thing to remember, you and all the voices of washington keep saying we need compromise. twice now, the republicans have compromised. and a twice, harry reid says we won't even have a compromise, i want to fund it all.

we want to stick it on the american people and won't budge, that is not a reason, if we have a shutdown, the american people will be held hostage. >> who did you most admire? >> i most admired phil graham, there are voice whose say this is not possible. and if you remember back in 1993 when hillary care was being debated. and there were a lot of people that came forward that said we'll partially fund hillary light. phil graham said, i know you will remember this, he said this will pass over my cold, dead political body. and a whole lot of republicans who were scared, they looked over, he was not killed. they ran behind him and they said yeah, yeah, what he said.

look, the power of leadership can change debates. we saw that just a month ago with syria. when president obama said he was going to launch attacks on syria, you had leaders of both house support him. and then the american people spoke up in overwhelming numbers saying we don't want to get involved in a sectarian war in syria, where there is no clear reason for the united states to do so and what happened, the federal government turned. we didn't get involved. we didn't launch the attacks, and just weeks earlier conventional wisdom in washington said it is impossible. >> do you regret comparing the future of obama care to the rise of hitler in nazi germany? >> well, the premise of your question is not true. what i said is there are many voices in washington who said "we can't do this, we can't do this." and i went through the centuries over and over again when americans were faced with big challenges, on big occasions,

whether it was the civil war, going to the moon or winning the cold war, at every stage there were voices of conventional wisdom who say this can't be done, and at every stage, the american people rose to the occasion. and what i said is we should do the same here. we should look to, if we empower the american people to get washington to listen to the people, that is how we get this changed. >> do you ride this to the presidential nomination? >> it is easy for washington to focus onpolitics. i understand, that is the business of this town. what i am trying to do every day is focus on making a difference in the lives of the american people. every survey that is done in this country, the top priority of the american people is jobs and the economy. under harry reid's senate, we don't even talk about jobs and the economy. obama care is the biggest job killer in this country. and millions of americans are hurting. you know, i would like to see a democrat respond to james

hoffa's letter who said this is right now destroying the health care of millions of americans. that is not me, that is a democrat union leader who has supported president obama and harry reid, we need to listen to people. >> thank you, senator. >> thank you, david. coming up, we're going to switch gears, one of the biggest threats is iran's nuclear program. joining me, msnbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, as well as one of president obama's former advisers on arms control. we'll be right back here in just a moment. "meet the press" is brought to you by the boeing company. we know why we're here. to chart a greener path in the air and in our factories. ♪ to find cleaner, more efficient ways to power flight.