with 17 coats of lacquer, all of which opens to informal and formal dining areas. [music playing] -this exceptional master suite has a number of features, including a mosaic tile fireplace and entertainment center, a huge walk-in closet, and a stunning master bath which has a steam shower and an italian tub. [music playing] -this outdoor area is really the icing on the cake to what is a spectacular entertainment home. you have a spa, a fantastic infinity pool, a swim-up bar, a fire pit, outdoor dining, and seating for 30 or 40 guests. [music playing -thank you for coming out to tour this extraordinary glass house in the hollywood hills.

-i honestly don't know if i could get any work done in that office with views like that. coming up next, author and new york daily news columnist linda stasi shows us around her home and george from george to the rescue unveils a dream renovation for an upstate new york family. [music playing]

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you've heard it before-- the three biggest rules of real estate are location, location, location. but how do buyers know what to look for? after all, today's fashionable hot spot might have been overlooked yesterday. our friends at coldwell banker are here to offer some tips on things to look out for when searching for the next hot neighborhood. [music playing] -hi. i'm mary kay higgins, associate broker with coldwell banker reliable. prime areas in many cities are already priced out of reach for most home buyers. so professionals, students and artists alike are following the deals to affordable but formerly unnoticed neighborhoods. in the process, these hidden gems are being transformed into the next hot real estate spots. this was the case with many established neighborhoods across the nation, like soho in new york city and venice in la. similarly, miami wynwood neighborhood is quickly turning into a trendy art hub.

today we're in the up and coming neighborhood of bedford-stuyvesant in brooklyn. this neighborhood, which was once under the radar, now boasts trendy restaurants and art galleries nestled between beautiful 19th century homes. but how do you identify one of these next hot neighborhoods? first, take a look at the cultural aspects of a neighborhood. art galleries are having a positive influence on the growth of neighborhoods nationwide. -opening an art gallery in bedford-stuyvesant was a wonderful experience. and i wanted to share my passion and appreciation for art and play a major part in the revitalization of bedford-stuyvesant. [music playing] -also, keep on the lookout for trendy restaurants and cafes. -the neighborhood is flourishing and i'm so happy to be a part of it. you no longer have to go all the way into the city to, you know, get some good food or a great cocktail. now you can do it just a few doors away from your house.

-if business owners are willing to invest in the neighborhood, there might be a reason for it. [music playing] -is there any unique architectural design in the area? here in bedford-stuyvesant, the 19th century brownstones have attracted many buyers to the neighborhood. and speaking of buyers, another sign to look for is how fast things are selling. this was listed and sold in a day. [music playing] -proximity to mass transit and business centers are also factors to consider. [music playing] -and finally, how close is the neighborhood you're considering to other hip, trendy areas. start to explore the neighborhood surrounding the current hot neighborhood, where you will find values 30 to 40% less. and you might become the pioneer of the next great place to live. for more information on finding the next hot neighborhood around the country or in your area, visit coldwellbanker.com.

[music playing] -coming up next, george rescues a family in westchester. [music playing] -coldwell banker real estate. fulfilling dreams for over 108 years.

-you're watching open house. now we're seeing the oceanfront home owned by renowned tv critic, new york daily news columnist, and author linda stasi. with five bedrooms, a state of the art kitchen, and two balconies overlooking the ocean, it's a truly inspiring beach retreat. [music playing] -hi. i'm linda stasi. i'm a columnist with the new york daily news. you might think this is the hamptons, but it's actually atlantic beach, new york, and it's only 23 miles from manhattan.

our one of a kind beach house is right over there dunes so let's take a walk. [music playing] -our house is 7,500 square feet. and this is the house where i wrote my very first article for the new york daily news. there's so much more i want to show you so let's head inside. [music playing] -this is the living room, which is really the big wow factor of the house. it has 15 foot ceilings, 10 foot windows, 150 people fit in here no problem. behind me is an italian marble fireplace. the previous owner actually brought the marble in from italy. but the real star of this room is the view. from this way, we have to dunes and we have our fantastic jetty, which was built in, i think, the 1930s. as a matter of fact, i learned to surf right there when i was a kid, never, ever believing in a million years that i'd actually live in this house. [music playing] -right off the living room is this wonderful deck,

where today we actually had whales right outside the window. henry winkler used this house as his house in the show royal pains. and he did a lot of dirty deals right here on this deck. [music playing] -if the living room is the wow factor of the house, the kitchen is certainly it's heart. and there's lots i want to show you. we'll start with the informal dining area. the table is actually made of 200-year-old barn board. and then, we have white iranian marble. it's very, very rare. but there's some really cool little thing i want to show you. several years ago, there was a restaurant in the city called the box tree. and it was famous for its beautiful tiles. and when it was being demolished, i walked into the construction site and i said to the guy, what are you doing with the tiles? and he told me that he was going to just throw them away. so i offered to buy them. then we put them all together. the pieces that were missing i repainted. you know, i feel like we saved a little bit of new york and i'm really, really proud of that.

[music playing] -this is the master bedroom. it's the one room we really didn't do much to because, for one thing, it has giant windows right on the ocean. so you go to sleep with the sound of the ocean and you wake up with the sunrise over the ocean. what else would you need to do a room like this? an interesting tidbit about this bedroom is that this wardrobe was originally on the ocean liner the queen elizabeth i. it was salvaged and sold at auction. [music playing] -at the end of the day, we'll come right back to where we started-- the beach. and atlantic beach is just a great place to have fun. [music playing] -up next, george makes a long overdue dream come true for one westchester family. [music playing]

-welcome back. the dicola daughters had a big wish for their mother tracy. after the girls' father passed away, tracy was forced to raise them alone. and the work their father had hoped to do fell by the wayside. well, george and his team recently paid the family a visit and made their long overdue dream for a warm and welcoming family home finally come true.

take a look at this moving transformation. [music playing] -hi. i'm tracy dicola. -hi, i'm natalie dicola. -hi i'm dana dicola. -and this is our lovely house in verplanck, new york. my husband was nicholas william dicola. we called him billy cause that was his nickname. he found this house. he had me-- brought me here. and i took one look at it and i did not want to move here. he sold me so we moved in. and then we started working on it. [music playing] -he got sick march 12, 2001. i'll never forget the day. it was a monday. it was something on his lung. and we were-- we just cried and hugged each other, and then we were on a journey. we were on a journey to try everything to get him well. and he kept a positive attitude and he, um, to the-- to the end we thought, you know, prayed it was going to be ok. [music playing]

-i mean, our house is so small for the three of us. like, we don't really have any place. we don't ever sit down and have, like, a family dinner at a table because we don't have the room or, like, anywhere to do that. -we say little house, a lot of love. and that's what it is. everything is full of love here. [car door slams] [knocking] -hey, how's it going? [gasps] [laughter] -how are you? [laughter] -i'm gonna cry. -my mom's reaction was, like, the most adorable thing i've ever seen. she cried and she jumped and she screamed and she hugged george like 500 times. -now when we're doing the project, i really want it to be a surprise. so we're gonna put you guys close by in peekskill at the inn on the hudson. so they're going to take care of everything. and i'm going to be here banging away and making your house absolutely phenomenal. [music playing] -i got everything you possibly need from 3m-- glasses. we got respirators.

we got ear protection. are you guys ready to start rescuing? -i'm ready. -[cheers] -all right. let's do it. -let's do it. [music playing] -wow guys. taking down these walls really does make a huge difference. it'll be great for the family. -you know, it feels bigger. it's one big room. they can all be together. -i'm really excited. the dicolas are going to love this. this is going to be a dream come true for them. -all right. but, uh, we still got a lot more work left to get done, right? -lot of work. -let's do it. [music playing] -man, it is a busy day here on the rescue. albano delivered all of our thermidor appliances. we've got steve here from all weather homes. fanuka's cabinets are going in. and we're waiting on klaussner to drop off all the furniture. plus, i still gotta finish painting this wall. jeez, there's a lot to do. [music playing]

-it wouldn't be right to have done all this and not have billy be a part of it. i think this is the perfect finishing touch. [music playing] -hi ladies. -hi. -how are you? -hi. -how's everyone? you guys have a nice stay? -yeah. -yeah. -excited to be home. -i bet you're ready to come home, huh? -yes, we're ready to come home. thank you. thank you so much. -well, it has been an amazing experience renovating this place. you guys ready to see the reveal? -yes. -yes. -all right. we're going to go around the house cause i think it's going to make for a better surprise. -ok. -head on up. -holy crap. is this my house? -oh wow. -oh my god. [music playing] -is this really my house?

-i didn't expect it to be just so bright and airy. and, uh, just beautiful. it's beautiful. -we're already really close and i think that this space is just going to make us even closer. we're going to spend even more time together. -i can't even think right now. there's a lot going through my mind. all i know is that-- that my house is amazing and i'm so happy. -guys, it's been an amazing experience. i've had so much fun coming in here and transforming the space. and i can tell you that billy is with us the entire way. welcome home. [applause] [cheers] -wow. what a great job they did. well, that's all for now. tell us which home you loved the most on twitter with #openhousetv. and if you missed something on today's show, head to openhousetv.com. you can also join our facebook family and follow us on twitter. tune in next week for more beautiful homes and design tips. thanks for stopping in. i'm sara gore and i'll see you next time. [music playing]

>> this sunday, a "meet the press" summit, race in america. >> protests across the country

following a grand jury decision not to indict police officer darren wilson in america. >> a deep mistrust exists between law enforcement and communities of color. >> are we just as divided under ameri america's first black president. and are leaders not following the president. we are heading to washington, and we are going to make them squeal. >> and what impact will younger and more conservative gop lawmakers have on the countriment. i'm chuck todd and with me to provide analysis are eugene robinson of the washington post, and my colleague andrea mitchell and rich lauer editor of "the national review." with welcome to "meet the press." this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. one huge story has dominated

the this week, a it is the aftermath of that grand jury decision in ferguson, missouri. we learned that darren wilson resigned from the ferguson police force. he submitted a resignation letter that said he wanted to stay on, but the safety of other police officers and the community are of paramount importance to me, and there is a lot of healing that needs to be done. and almost three quarters of the way through president barack obama's historic presidency, there is a lot of healing that needs to be done. we will be joined by governor patrick patrick, deval patrick and a panel to discuss the issue. >> there is not a latino america or black america, there is a

united states of america. >> reporter: the president who cast the vision of hope saw it splinter this week by a splint screen reality. >> we are a nation built on the rule of law, and so we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury's to make. >> on one side the images of tear gas and protests, and on the other, the cautious commander in chief who is running out of time in office. the president e's resonance aft the verdict of the grand jury in the kill iing of mike brown he d this to say -- >> if i had a son, he would have lo

looked like trayvon martin and if u u with were younger i could have been trayvon martin and there are very few african-american men who have not had the experience of being followed while slopping, ahoppi that includes me. >> reporter: six years ago, then candidate obama gave what was a risky speech about his experience as a black man in america, and his hand force ed by the controversy of jeremiah wright. >> i cannot disown him as i can my white grandmother, and a woman who loves more than anything, and a woman who confesses her fear of black men who passes her by on the speech. >> reporter: and after that, controversy after he criticized the police officer who a arre arrested henry gates in harvard. >> the police officer acted stupidly, and there is a long history of african-americans and

latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that is a fact. >> reporter: police union officials in cambridge called for the apology, and the president backed away from the criticism, and defused the controversy with a photo-op a beer summit. and now, some criticized how some viewed his presidency. >> there is a dark veined intolerance. >> colin powell incited the party last year. and hesitant to criticize, the president said that though there is problems, there is enormous progress in race are relations, but some disagree. >> fegson signifies the end of obama, and it is a sad end. >> the household income for african-americans is $35,000 a year, and that is $20,000 less for whites and no bet ter when

the president took office, and white unemployment was 4.8% last month, and black unemployment was 10.9%, and black men are six times more likely as white men to be incarcerated and black men between the 15 and 19 are 21 more times as likely to be ki officer. i'm joined by the outgoing governor of massachusetts deval patrick, and welcome back. >> thank you, chuck, for having me. >> before you made it into e elective politics, you worked in the clinton justice department, and in fact nsh, in the civil rs division, and the grand jury's decision not to indict officer darren wilson, and walk us through the process of what they are investigating and what they would be looking at? >> well, it is a higher bar as we we were talking about off camera that the d.o.j. has to consider, whether there is a consideration of violation of civil or constitutional rights which is different than what a grand jury in a state

prosecution has to consider. and it is going to be a tough case to prove, and i say that without -- or that is to bring, and i say that without knowing all of the puts and takes of the case and what the the facts are, and it is very difficult. it is very important that doj is investigating it, and i know that attorney general holder is urging that investigation, and he will drive it through to conclusion. >> did you want to see the indictment? >> look, without knowing all of the facts, of course, i wanted to see the indictment, mostly, because the trial and the transparency of the trial would be good for the community, and look, because so many of us have the supposition that police officers are not going to be held accountable, and not going to have to answer for the shooting of unarmed young black teenagers, but the facts and the process as the the president sa does have to be respected which is separate and apart of the anxieties that young blacks have

with encounters of law enforcement, and the anxieties that young law enforcement have about the anxieties of encounters with young black people, and the the stark contrast of the two. >> and you were asked how you would have handled the situation if you were in president obama's shoes, and you simply said, i am glad that don't have to. >> yes. >> and what would you want president obama to do? anything more on ferguson? do you think that he should go? >> i think that he wants to go, by the way, and i think that it is not that because i know that, but i sense that knowing the man, because i think that he would like to be there to comfort the family of michael brown who are having to relive this tragedy all over again, and to e re -- reassure the community at large. >> and why isn't he going? >> well, my sense is, and you asked me what i would do, and the reason it is a quandary is because the federal government

is investigating right now sh, you don't want to appear to influence the investigation. >> well, eric holder went? >> well, you don't want to appear to influence the investigation, and also, i think that the president is in a really, really the tough place, trying to be and having been elected to serve as president of the whole country, and being, and having higher expectations on issues related to the race. i have experienced that at home. >> i was going to say, how did you deal with issues like that the and did you feel that you were worried about looking like you were playing favorites? >> yes, i did. i remember a relatively early experience and it all feels early almost eight years in, when we had a terrible loss of a teenaged boy, a black boy in the roxbury neighborhood of boston. it was, it appeared to have been a gang-related killing of a marvelous kid from a marvelous family, and the mother in her

anguish called out, called me out in the media and said, where is the governor? and now, the the governors are not normally expected to come to the street crime scene cans. she had not called out the mayor, and we had run a very grass roots campaign and we had engaged a lot of people, and the expectations of me by virtue of being a black official were different, and i had to learn, that and ultimately i did go out. >> i want to shift gears to the future of the democratic party, and i want to play for you a bite from senator chuck schumer who indicts the president's first year in office by saying that health care is a mistake. >> the democrats blew the opportunity a that the american people gave them. and we we took their mandate and put all of the focus on the wrong problem, health care reform. but it wasn't the change that we with were with hired to make. americans with were crying out

for the end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs, and not changes in health care. >> you agree with him? >> well, i are respect senator schumer, but, no, i don't agree with that. americans understand the interconnectedness with the whole host that the government should help solve, and americans should help themselves, but if you ask someone who is trying to be insured while sick and if they are buried in debt while sick, they will tell you that it does make a difference. >> and is this soul searching time for the party? >> well, it ought to be, because election day was a great day for the republicans and citizens united and a bad day for the democrats who don't stand for anything. and when the democrats do stand for something or as i have said in the past, grow a backbone and stand up for what we believe, we

win. because what we believe is what the american people are wanting. >> and you think that the democrats ran away from running a w away are from the president obama? >> yes, a huge mistake. this is the president who has are presided over explosive stock market growth, and coming back strong over the worst economic economy collapse in a generation or two, and the universal health care, and bin laden's removal, and the ended of two wars and on and on and on and one problem that the president has is that he does not tell that story very well or very regularly, and the the importance of the repetition is something that i had to lerp, and -- had to learn, and not that we have reached the promised land, but it is certainly that we are better off. >> and hillary clinton, and you have praised her and admired her from afar, but you are concerned about the air of inevitability,

and it is hard for the party. >> well, secretary clinton has been an extraordinary public servant, and would be a terrific candidate for president, but i think that the narrative that it is inevitable is off-putting to regular voters. >> and you mean, as far as challengers in the democratic p party? >> well, not a critic of hers, but they read it as entitlement, a and the american people want, and they ought to want the candidates to sweat for the job, and make a case por wfor why the the right person for the right ti time. >> and you ended up winning the democratic party and you might be a 1% or 2% person if you made a run, and would you think about running it? >> i have thought about it, but i can't be ready for 2016. this is the running for governor, two-term running for nationally education, and health care, and veteran efficiency and

i did not run for this job to get another job but to do this job. >> why didn't another democrat replace or just a republican, and did you feel that it was a rejection of your two years? >> i was not on the ballot, and i ran against the governor elect four years ago and we had a different outcome, and we had a good candidate who got better as she came closer to election day. and of course, she was outspent 9 or 10 to 1. >> and you don't feel responsibility for that? >> looshgsk, i'm sorry, but the outcome of the elections depend on the candidate and not the folks on the sideline. >> thank you, out-going governor of massachusetts deval patrick. i want to go back to ferguson and the handling of it by president obama, and governor

patrick said that he felt the pressure put on president obama and the white house feels it. >> i feel that as you said in the set h-up piece, he is handling this differently than the trayvon martin case. and he is identifying with the michael brown family, but because it is a case involving law enforcement, the white house is a little bit more restrained in their ability to step ointo the the middle of this, even though there is a lot of outreach, and valerie jarrett reach i reaching out to talk to people in the community, the presence of the president of the united states in a situation that volatile involving the law enforcement community are where facts are, as they say disputed, would be potentially a very, very difficult plolitically. >> and eugene, too red saz reso?

>> well, he is the most difficult situation, and he is the most difficult black man in america, because if he loses, he will lose part of the white constituency, so he is damned if he goes, and damned if he stays and damned if he says anything substantive and damned if he is pontificates. >> and you have been critical of the whole michael brown story this in general, and i'm curious what you think of the president's public statements, and what you think of them? >> well, i would have tweaked some things that he said last week, and basically, he was right on and i felt that the sincere of the random and the pointless destruction in ferguson, and i appreciated it, and he made a good point that

poor communities need policing because the drug dealing, and the gangs, and the other people can buy their way out, and poor people can't, and they need the police to help them to be protected. >> and hl lean, watching what the doj does, is that going to be opening up more wounds or raising too much expectations in the african-american community, and what is going to be the end result of the justice department, particularly, if they decide that there is not enough? i mean, you heard governor patrick say it is a high bar. >> i think that the doj investigation has the potential to make it worse. it would be nice to move on are from this, but the fundamental issue is still there, and what, at the same time that you see -- >> what is at issue, and you say fundamental issue, and what is it? >> it ist not michael brown, but it is that it is keep happening to black men, and the whole issue of the driving while

black, and my friend gary fields wrote a fantastic article of what is it like to be 250 black guy under suspicion for walking down the street for absolutely nothing, and as long as black people continue the feel that you cannot walk down the street without coming under suspicion, this anger is going to be continuing. >> and it is a story we have heard for one thing, and poor commu communities want policing and they need the policing, and you will find the most law oriented people that you will find in low income communities with a crime problem, because they want the policing done with the community, and to the community, and that is one of the issues. >> and they want the policing not with the majority white police force on the majority black community, rich. >> and rich, what is interesting when you look at the whites, whites that live in the urban communities are much more believe that we have a still race problem in the country, and

the whites living in the rural or the whiter communities they don't see the race issue, do you believe that is part of the divide that maybe rural whites don't see this issue the way that folks that live in urban america? >> perhaps. but you look at ferg sop specifically, and this is an area where the governmental structures have not caught up to the demographic change in the last decade, and that is what you do to take care of by organize ing organizing in the voting, and what i object to is that you can discuss all of the problems, but don't pretend that this particular incident was something that it wasn't. if you look at the most credible evidence, the lessons are are basic, don't rob a convenient store and don't try to take a policeman's gun and when he yells at you stop, just stop, an none of this would have happened. >> well, well, well -- >> no, no, no. >> and in is a relitigation -- no, no, conflicting testimony. >> and michael brown is not trayvon martin.

>> no, he is not trayvon martin and neither is darren wilson george zimmerman and so there are clear differences, and you know, we are not in the relitigation business so we won't go into the whole thing, but will is conflicting evidence and witnesses who were not believed who said otherwise and those who were believed who said that is what happened. >> and the evidence backed up officer wilson's version, and that is why the grand jury dismissed it. >> and cities in baltimore are doing things like diversity of police forces which has nothing to do with the elected -- and white officials can diversify the police forces. >> we will pause for a moment, and the summit of race relations in america will go more in depth a after this break. . "meet the press "sigh [ male announcer ] we know they're out there. you can't always see them.

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unrest. in ferguson, the cleanup effort is in progress after a number of businesses were wrecked and looted. protests were on the weekend and a boycott. black friday in campaign to response to the decision, malls in st. louis were forced to close their doors. protesters in seattle chained doors of a shopping center and successfully closed that. in oakland, a rail station was temporarily closed after activists chained themselves to trains. i'm joined by the president of the naacp legal defense and education fund, david brook, ben carson from johns hopkins and from boston, charles ogletree. welcome to all of you. thank you for doing this. professor, i want to get your reaction to this. last poll that studied this, the situation of black people is better now than it was five years ago, it's a double digit

drop from 2009 and the euphoria of the election of the first black president. are we no better off today? is the african-american public right about this, we're no better off today in race relations than we were six years ago? >> i think we're right, chuck. i hate to say this, but i think about what my father and grandfather told me about race relations way back when i was a young kid, how they were devtated with the idea of separation based on race. it is worse now. we think of people who don't have jobs who can't go to school, people who can't get healthcare. we are in a situation right now that will create fergusons over and over and over again. it's not just ferguson, missouri. it's around country. we see this racial divide despite the fact that it's a black president, who i love dearly, there's a racial divide in america that's not going to went trayvon martin being

killed, with michael brown being killed, with the 12-year-old being killed by police. it's not going to end at all. >> ben, do you agree? >> i agree that things have definitely deteriorated. we look at a situation like ferguson and people say, that's causing more racial division. the fact of the matter is, ferguson is a manifestation of the racial division as we see it right now. obviously, there are a lot of people around this nation who feel things are unfair for them, who feel disinfranchised. it makes them ripe for a tinder box situation like this. >> it seems to be almost universal agreement on this. >> i have to disagree on this. we are looking at mike brown. but the issue of law enforcement and the killing of unarmed african-americans and the assault of unarmed african-americans has been going on for decades and has nothing to do with obama. my first exposure was when i was

10-year-old. this is in the early 1970s. the difference now is that we have these photos, we have these cell phone pictures. this is something, an issue that civil rights organizations have been working on forever and we haven't been listened to. people haven't believed us. >> do you think social media, if we had it 30 years ago, would have expedited this conversation, expedited this uncomfortable moment that we're having? >> it is an uncomfortable conversation. one of the reasons we don't make progress is it's so uncomfortable. every time we bring up the issue, we start talking about violence in the black community or what some people call black on black crime, which is an important conversation to have and we should have a show about it, but it doesn't have to do with the power of the state of law enforcement to follow you, to shoot you in public housing in a stairway, to kill a 12-year-old boy, to kill a man in walmart for carrying a toy gun, to kill people unarmed, to tase someone in front of their

children. we're talking about the way law enforcement engaging the african-american community. >> a charactlet's play a clip. >> what about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? >> those people go to jail. i protest it. they go to jail. talk about the way in which white policemen undercut the ability of americans to live. >> why don't you cut it down so so many white police officers don't have to be in black areas? >> that was speaking of tion to witness, that was an uncomfortable conversation. in many ways it exposed the p z prism that white america and black american see this. >> whites have to acknowledge racist and see how differently we see this. whites can't say, does this look right, but does this look trustworthy to people in the

african-american people? we have to understand that we're no longer in the civil rights era. this is not a question of good versus evil, right versus wrong. racial inequality has become entangled in disappearing jobs, family structure. this is mostly a question of good intentioned people trying to do the best they can with very naughty social problems which overlap with social problems. >> pharrell williams said something interesting. he said -- he was talking about michael brown. he said this -- are we focusing on the wrong part of this conversation? we're talking about law enforcement and the relationship between the black community and the law enforcement community when we obviously had a

breakdown somewhere in michael brown's life. >> we have to talk on both of them. talk about michael brown and the police. there's no question about that. i think that hearing this, i like the song "happy." it's on my phone at home. you want to listen to it. it makes a lot of difference. the reality is that michael brown did not have a gun. he put his hands up. michael brown was trying to avoid confrontation. i think that we need to understand why we have these data -- it's clear that black boys are being killed by white police officers around the country from north to south, from east to west. it doesn't end. i think we have to make sure that we're responding to that, making the people like michael brown understand it and deal with it. but make sure we don't have these things happen again. >> we heard dwb, that black men experiee this, driving while black. yes, i drive in a white neighborhood and if i'm not doing the speed limit, i'm going to get pulled over like that.

>> that does happen. >> ever happen to you? >> yes. the attorney general of missouri last year had a report that came out that said in the ferguson area blacks were serve season times more likely to be stop and twice as more likely to be arrested. >> whose fault is that? >> well, the real question is, what do we do about this kind of situation? you know, everybody is going to be off in their corner. people are a product of their life experiences. can we actually solve this problem? there are a lot of things that we can probably talk about. for instance, police being equipped with cameras. as you probably know, in situations -- >> there's a movement of having cameras. >> 85% of these things would be stopped. >> what do you think? >> california equipped their officers with camera, the crime rate and abuse dropped. real training of police officers. if you look at some of the encounters we see, look at the

12-year-old boy who was killed, it's within seconds. you are watching these encounters in which the police arrive on the scene and they are unable to deescalate, to assess the situation, to see when we are dealing with a child. police officers need real training. they need training in implicit bias. it's well intentioned people, but there are biases in this country. we do have images in our head that are racial. if you heard darren wilson's testimony when he talked about mike brown, almost as an animal he was bulking up. we have these images in our head. the only way we can deal with those images is to slow things down, is to give police officers the training that they need to be able to manage their own biases so they can properly assess the situation. >> how does this continue next week? we say we will have this hard conversation and guess what, next week we won't. >> i really don't believe in a conversation about race. if we're going to be friends, we don't sit around saying we're such great friends. we don't need a conversation. we need a project.

it's outward looking. the project is about early childhood education, all things that failed michael brown. if we have a common project about schools, then we will have something to do together and that will unite us. >> sounds like broken windows. thank you for this conversation. are you running for president? >> i should quickly tell you, maybe. >> fair enough. we will be watching that. by the way, to end this discussion on a more optimistic note, let's look at this very powerful image in a rally in oregon. it's 12-year-old devonte heart and a police sergeant hugging it out. he attended the rally eager to convey a message of peace. he held up a sign offering free hugs. the officer was more than happy hugs. the officer was more than happy to oblige.

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time for our "meet the press" nerd screen. since we made a graphic, nerd screen is official. president obama's executive action on immigration set off a fight. we know where in the country that fight might get settled, with real implications for 2016. first let's look at the numbers from our latest nbc news wall street journal poll taken before

the president's announcement. overall, 38% approved of the idea of him taking executive action, 48% disapproved. our friends took a closer look at the numbers to see how different communities responded to the same question. first a quick reminder, this is how they see the country. this map breaks the u.s. down into 15 different types of counties. all of which have their own unique view of american politics. people in the big cities, the pink parts, are supportive of the president's move. 48% approved of the action before he took it, 31% disapproved. people who live between suburban and rural america, the yellow part of the map, they are strongly opposed. 56% disapproved, 36% approved. the president is not likely to win these folks over. that brings us to the suburbs, dark orange on our map. that's where attitudes are split down the middle. 41% approved of the idea of the

president doing unilateral moves on immigration, 44% disapproved. why is this divide important? because it's here in the urban suburbs, where democrats have the most to lose if people turn against the president. the democrats need these places to win national elections. 67 million people live in these areas. president obama won them by a whopping 16 points in 2012. if these communities turn against the executive action that the president took, it's possible democratic presidential conditions will be faced with a hard choice, support the president and risk turning off the potential swing runners or run against the executive action and possibly turn off hispanic voters. that's an important part of the democratic base vote. that decision point isn't two years away. it may be a few months away. the sub rushz already a swing vote that has to be acknowledged. these are the