registered 2,000 people in the last census. it's called new berlin. family is everything and neighbors still help neighbors. this is a great place to raise a family. >> absolutely. we found a beautiful home right next to the lake. >> they had been married 13 years. they were college sweethearts. >> it's not every day you come across someone that has and wants the same exact thing that you do. 10 years down the road five years down the road. >> what was it that you fell for the most about her? >> her personality. it was special. >> eileen sales and her husband and daughters were close friends with the family. eileen and jen met through girl scouts when eileen was a troop leader. >> she was so friendly. and you felt instantly comfortable with her. she was very welcoming. she had that personality. >> to eileen and everyone who knew the couple, jen wasr was

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>> very good at cooking? >> yes uh-huh. >> remi had a plan to run marathons, lots of them. >> 26 marathons, and i was sponsored. >> in one year? 26 marathons? >> yes, ma'am. >> remy wanted to get everyone in shape, including jen and her friend eileen. >> i started working out, and then he mentioned family. >> so running became a family affair. but as remy spent more time training for marathons, jen immersed herself in a competition of her own. she started playing an online game called kingdoms of camelot, where players from all over the world take on medieval roles and team up to wage battles together. >> she would show me pictures of her castle and her kingdom she was building on the phone.

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it had been a long night of waiting, wondering, and now it was morning. jen ramsaran had still not returned from that shopping trip to the mall. the kids were waking and asking. >> dad, where's mom? and i said mom didn't come home last night. i'm kind of worried. i called the police. >> remy made breakfast and told his children ages 13, 8, and 6, not to worry. >> mom will probably be home by the time you guys come home from school. she's probably still out shopping and stuff. >> did you believe that? >> that was my hope. >> but did you believe it? >> i didn't know what to believe. >> he started calling everyone in their circle. had anyone heard from jen? >> at that point, i was on the phone with many of my friends, our mutual friends, and going

out of my mind. >> remy's best friend, jason wicks, had an idea. >> after he had told me jen was missing, i was talking to some of the guys at work. a couple of people asked me if they had tried the find my iphone app. so i called him. remy did you try this? >> after driving the kids to school, remy headed straight to the new berlin police department. while talking with the police chief, remy tried the app. >> lo and behold it connected to her iphone. >> you figured out where her iphone was. >> right there at the police station, with him. and it looked like the phone was moving. and i was freaking out. >> the spot was several miles outside new berlin and they called in detective richard cobb. >> it did show a location of jennifer's phone. >> officers headed there, looked around, and found nothing. frustrated remy decided to go look for himself.

he got out of the car, and opened the find my iphone app. >> i'm hitting the play sound, play found. and there's a high shrieking loud sound. and i walked the bank and i didn't hear anything. and then i crossed the street and i started hearing it. and i looked, and i saw it. i immediately called 911. >> i found my wife's iphone. i'm on boon hill road in south plymouth. i haven't touched it. i can see it from here. can you send someone out here? >> where exactly was it found? >> it was kind of right over in that area. it's a little more weedy now than it was then. but it was amongst some weeds and shorter weeds and some rocks. >> you must have felt like we have a key piece of evidence pretty quickly in this disappearance. >> obviously, it was key evidence. it was the first real physical clue that we had in the investigation. >> there was no sign of jen or

her van. so how did the phone end up here? so far, this was just a missing persons case. it didn't necessarily mean there had been foul play. maybe jen herself ditched the phone. >> it certainly wasn't outside the realm of possibility that maybe she had decided to leave home for a time frame and meet up with somebody else. >> remy says it crossed his mind. maybe jen had simply left him. inside the house, he found something in the trash that seemed odd. >> q-tips, of putting makeup on. jen had cut her hair some additional length and some of her older hair with the new color. >> he told the detective that in recent months jen seemed to be changing. she spent more time chatting online immersed in that fantasy world. and she'd become strangely focused on her looks. >> she started putting on makeup. this is not what my wife normally looks like. >> but it seemed too farfetched. remy thought jen would never abandon her kids. >> she would never do that not

to the kids. no way. >> her best friend, eileen, agreed. to her, a discarded phone was a very bad sign. >> he said i found her phone. and i said, oh my god. i couldn't believe it. my heart sunk. >> and the more detective cobb thought about it the more is seemed like someone other than jen had ditched the cell phone. >> if she wanted to get away from her husband and her family for a day or two, and, you know wanted no ties, she could have ditched the phone anywhere. >> or just turned her phone off. >> absolutely. yeah. >> another day passed. and then another. no jen. then on day five, a major discovery. it happened when jen's father was driving around town, looking for any sign of his daughter. >> 911, what's the address of your emergency? >> sheriff? >> yes. >> i'm tom renz jennifer ramsaran's father. >> yes. >> i found the van. >> it was jen's red van.

it had been abandoned here in this apartment complex eight miles from her home. >> it must have been just an awful, awful discovery for her father. >> i'm sure it was. >> the van was empty. inside, there were spots of blood. are all of your worst fears being realized? >> absolutely, yes. devastated. absolutely devastated. shocked. >> did you start to fear at that point that jennifer is never coming home? >> whatever was going on here was probably not going to be a good outcome. there's two questions, really. where is jennifer and who did something to her? >> and now eileen jen's best friend began thinking back to that game the virtual kingdom that had jen so fascinated. did you think something sinister had happened? >> absolutely. you know the first thing i thought was, these people in the game. coming up -- who had jen been meeting online?

>> we went to the mall. and she wanted to smell his cologne. >> fantasy or reality? jennifer ramsaran had a secret. >> this man knows where she lives.

♪ while remy ramsaran spent much of 2012 running marathons, his wife jen was immersed in a fantasy world of kingdoms of camelot. in the online game jen, the stay at home mom was transformed into a lady among lords. >> she just wanted to be on her game. and i would joke around about, jen, are you -- you know come back to the real world, you know, pull yourself out of that game. >> from her iphone jen chatted with other players from all over the world. it began as a way to pass the time. but became in remy's words, an

obsession. >> it started turning into addiction. and she was on it quite a lot. close to eight hours a day. maybe more. even in the evenings. >> she was definitely sucked into it. >> she was checking out a little bit. >> very much so. >> eileen and her girls spent lots of time at the ramsaran house. she said she saw first hand how her martha stewart-like friend was changing. >> she wasn't cooking, you know. they were ordering out every night. i did the laundry one night because it was so stacked up. i said do you want me to do the laundry? she said sure. >> on a recent shopping trip together eileen says all jen could talk about was her gaming friends. and there was one player in particular a british man named rob, with whom she was clearly smitten. >> she would joke around about things they would talk about, you know because in england, it's different than it is here. so different. and i think she liked that. >> eileen says jen confessed that the online friendship had

turned turned flirtatious. she even knew what kind of cologne this rob from england wore. >> we went to the mall and she wanted to smell his cologne. and we did. we smelled his cologne. >> and it sounded to eileen like jen was ready to take the virtual romance with rob into the real world. >> rob knew where she lived. and he was thinking about relocating coming up here. >> and he's in england? >> yeah. and i said, what if he does come up here? and she kind of giggled. >> no you with now with jen missing, she felt no choice but to tell the police and remy. >> when i told him, he was furious. he said what? and i said this man online knows where she lives. >> did you feel the need to get in touch with this rob immediately? >> we worked to do that almost from the start. we sent messages through the gaming app. this is the chenango county sheriff's office. jennifer has been reported

missing. we warn if you've had any contact with her. >> they wanted to interview this potential suspect, but he was an ocean away. so interpol arranged a meeting between rob and the british police. rob admitted he was married, and used the word "intimate" to describe his relationship with jen. >> jennifer had sent some sort of lingerie and he sent her i believe $150 that she never picked up. >> do you know what that money was for? >> i believe it was to buy herself a gift. it was december 21 close to christmastime. >> though it was clear they talked about meeting in person, robyn rob /* insisted he hadn't been anywhere near new york when she disappeared. and he was worried, concerned she hadn't been online for days. meanwhile, remy was at home fuming wondering if there was more to jen's secret life

online. >> do you believe she was having an affair? >> i can almost guarantee it. i think that's what happened on december 11. she went to meet someone. >> despite the blood found in the van, remy clung to hope she was alive. he asked for help from a missing persons organization. they blanketed the area with flyers. remy says he couldn't take the not knowing anymore. >> you actually enlisted a psychic to help you. >> what harm could it do? >> the psychic believed that jen was still alive, so remy says he wanted to keep the search going. to do that he posted frequent updates on facebook and gave an interview to the local news speaking directly to jen. >> i don't think you ever ever knew how much we care for you and how much you're loved. >> he was alone with three kids and i thought he was grasping at anything that he could get to feel like maybe his wife was out there still.

>> the new year didn't bring any new leads. the winter snow was piling up. and underneath it all, another secret. this one so explosive, it could not stay hidden for long. >> some people are going to remember you as being the worst kind of friend to jen. >> you know, you can't take back what you've done. coming up -- the revelation that would put jen's best friend at the very center of this case. >> that's kind of a bombshell. >> it's a big bombshell, yes. >> and hidden in all that snow, the discovery everyone had been dreading. >> it was probably the most difficult thing i've ever had to do. he'll tell us everything he knows very shortly, sir. as you were... where were we?

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playing a game online with people all over the world. had one of them come to upstate new york looking for her? detective cobb was checking out the alibi of the brit jen had been flirting with online the one she wanted to meet in person. >> anybody was a suspect in the beginning of the investigation. rob and anybody else that she may have had contact with. >> the detective asked u.s. immigration to run a check on rob's passport. the agency reported back. rob had not entered the united states in 2012. so rob from the fantasy game was quickly cleared, and no longer a potential suspect. but still remy was convinced she'd met up with someone. >> i told that to the police many times. many times. >> and do you think it was a direct link to these online games? >> absolutely. >> remy made no secret of how hurt and angry he was with jen. but instead of getting sympathy from his best friend jason, he got some words of wisdom. you see, jason knew about a

secret, and it was a big one. >> why are you still mad at the possibility that she was having an affair? remy you've been having an affair yourself. >> that's right. mad as he was about jen's online romance, he'd been cheating on her. and remy's affair had been going on right under jen's nose with the last person on earth she would ever expect. her best friend, eileen. >> in my heart, and in my stomach, i knew it was wrong. >> this is your wife's best friend. >> oh yes. >> the girl scout troop leader. >> oh yes. very bad mistake. >> the affair began nearly a year before jen disappeared. >> she asked if i could kiss ker, and i did. and we both felt extremely guilty. >> did you kiss him back? >> did ii did. and then i left just like that. >> some people would have been -- >> shocked. >> shocked and said what are you doing? jen's my best friend.

why are you doing this? >> right. >> what was your gut telling you? >> my gut was telling me, no, you can't do this. it's wrong. so wrong. >> despite that, they had sex. in jen and remy's house not long after that first kiss. did you feel any guilt at consummating this relationship in the house that you share with your wife? >> i know i should say yes, but i didn't. jen and i had already grown apart. >> did you talk to jen about getting a divorce? >> yes. oh yes. a handful of different times. >> eileen says all of those marathon training sessions together drove them into each others' arms. and for eileen, at least, it was more than just physical. even though she was married herself, she was falling in love with remy. >> we had a lot in common you know like with the running. and the feelings for him took over and just filled my head. >> you seem a little out of remy's league. what was it about him that you

were so attracted to? >> his personality was huge. i mean, always lifted you up. always. made you feel important. >> but eileen was racked with guilt. she was hiding the affair from her best friend and her husband. that's a lot of sneaking around. >> yeah. i couldn't take it. i couldn't -- it was too much. it got to be too much. >> did he say to you, i'm going to divorce jen? >> he said it, yeah. >> did that make you happy? >> no. no, because i knew it would hurt her. >> during the affair eileen and her husband separated. but then in november she broke it off with remy. and moved back home. still, she and remy got together one last time the night before jen went missing. >> we did have sex. that in my -- as far as it goes i did not want to further the

relationship at that point. >> how did he handle that? >> you know he -- he gets upset. you know, he wants what he wants. >> an affair with the best friend? just imagine how bad it would look when police found out. that's why, remy says the morning after he realized jen was gone he and eileen went to the police to let them know about the relationship. >> tell them right off the bat. i don't have anything in my life to feel embarrassed about except that. >> i needed to help jen. i needed them to find her. and i would do anything to help them at that moment. >> that's kind of a bombshell. >> it's a big bombshell, yes. >> a bombshell that the detective had to follow up on. they interviewed a very cooperative remy several times. >> i've only been with two women in the last 18 years. eileen and jen. that's it. >> he never asked for a lawyer and let investigators search their home. he even turned over the clothes

he was wearing when jen disappeared. >> he was a suspect at that point. it was as much to rule him out as it was to rule him in at that point. >> and eileen? she was now under investigation too. why was eileen a possible suspect? >> just because of her relationship her involvement, with jennifer and mr. ramsaran. generally, you would think a husband or a male might commit murder. but women can also. >> but until a body was found, investigators had no way of knowing how, when, or even if jen had been murdered. that all changed on february 26 2013, 2 1/2 months after jen went missing. >> the snow started to melt and settle enough that part of her became exposed. >> she had no clothes on? >> right. she was found naked. >> jen's body was found on an embankment on an uninhabited

stretch of road about 20 miles from her home. detectives knocked on the door of their home and gave remy the news. >> my wife. are you sure? that was heart-wrenching. heart-wrenching. i called all three kids into the master bedroom, and i told the kids mommy is in heaven. but she's always going to be with us. that's probably the most difficult thing i've ever had to do. >> it was awful. the grief. and i knew at this point there's no telling her i'm sorry. >> it really frustrates me. jen's body was found just a little over three miles away from where that phone was. >> you feel the police should have looked harder? >> absolutely. even helicopter something. >> and on the day jen's body was found, remy summoned the local media to his house and through tears spoke to the cameras. >> i've got to be strong for the kids, make sure they're okay.

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the search for jen ramsaran had come to a bitter end. there was her husband, remy telling anyone who would listen he wanted payback. >> i've always said in order to get true closure, we've got to find out what happened to jen. and i don't just want justice. i want vengeance. >> detective cobb could see remy was a big talker. >> he's the kind of guy that i think in his life he's been able to talk himself through most every situation. >> yes, he'd come down to the police station to confess his affair. but now the detective felt like remy was trying to control the focus of the investigation. >> he was using social media and news media to kind of get his message out. >> what message was he trying to get out in the media? >> that jennifer changed, that

she wasn't, you know, the mother or wife or housekeeper or cook that she used to be. >> trying to deflect off of himself? is that what you believed? >> absolutely. and put this on jennifer. >> jen's childhood friend teresa 700 miles away noticed the same thing as she read remy's frequent updates on facebook. >> he started saying things about jen like you know well she wasn't really a mother for the past six months. she was -- she had disconnected herself from the family. >> he seems like a total oversharer. >> yes, yes. overshared everything. >> and teresa thought remy was flirting with people who were trying to find his wife. like that psychic he enlisted. they had some weird exchanges on facebook. >> he said something about her putting on a bikini and going outside in the snow. and that that's what she had do. and i just -- i thought that was very strange. >> so the psychic should put on a bikini?

>> yes. >> remy's close friend, jason, started to think it was creepy that remy was obsessed with jen's possible infidelity even exaggerating it as time went on. >> he said he found naked pictures of her she had sent to other people. there were times when he was trying to tell me there was three or four people she was sending these to. >> but investigators found no proof she'd been sexting with strangers, so they were back to picking apart the story remy told them on tape about the day she went missing. >> she kissed him right here, and then she left. >> remy was sure that jen went shopping at 11:00 a.m. but the technicians found that at the time that remy said she was gone the home was still connected to the wi-fi, which to the detectives meant jen was likely still in the house. this is a red flag for you, that her phone is clearly at home when she's not supposed to be. >> right. it's hard for him to explain. >> and looking back it seemed strange that it was remy not

the police that was able to find that phone 20 feet below a bridge. >> i found my wife's iphone. >> what's more when they examined the phone, it was in perfect condition. >> there wasn't any damage. so to us that said that somebody had actually you know come down here and placed the phone. >> so where exactly was remy on december 11? he said that after jen left he went out for a run, and ended up at the ymca. >> either i ran through the rite aid parking lot or in between. >> to the y? >> yeah around the church over there to the y. >> detective cobb pulled surveillance videos from the convenience stores and banks along that route. it turns out remy wasn't on any of them. the only video he appeared on is this one, where he stretches before entering the y. >> so his alibi of running this certain route appears to be false. so we had all of these things that are now taking the focus off this could be anybody and putting it really on mr. ramsaran.

>> were they talking as though remy was a suspect? >> yeah. and i just said, no, you know, i'm not believing that. >> remy could be controlling. >> yeah. >> but just in your eyes not control enough to where he would take his own wife's life? >> no. i -- that never even crossed my mind. >> as for eileen the detective was able to verify her alibi. she'd withinbeen working that morning, and she did meet remy at the y that afternoon. >> we still have the question though that eileen picked mr. ramsaran up from the ymca shortly after 1:00 that afternoon. >> eileen drove remy home though both she and remy told the detective that she did not go inside the house. did you still think that maybe she was covering for remy and that she knew all along what had happened? >> that was still a possibility, that she had some kind of guilty knowledge. >> they thought i wasn't giving them everything which i was. you know if i had more, i would have given it. i would have given anything to help. >> but one by one, the folks

around town began to turn against remy and eileen. were you wearing a scarlet letter? >> absolutely. i felt awful. it pushed me towards him. >> did you start to talk about being together permanently? >> uh-huh and leaving. just getting out of here. >> it was now may of 2013 three months after jen's body was found along that embankment at the side of the road. the autopsy report was back. jen's body had been outside too long to determine a cause of death. but the medical examiner declared it a homicide. >> i get a phone call. can you come on down? we have those medical results. we finally get to talk and tell you exactly what happened. >> well we wanted more shot at interviewing mr. ramsaran. >> what's the truth? what do you have in there? i have the truth. >> did you kill jen? [ bleep ]

>> i never -- >> you did. your alibi is [ bleep ]. and clearly, i don't know why you think you're on camera running past these places. you're not. i don't know why you cannot get that in your head, remy. that the camera doesn't lie. the person does. and you're the one lying about it. >> i'd like to leave. >> no, you're not leaving. i've already told you that. you're not leaving. you're under arrest. >> remy ramsaran was charged with second degree murder but it was a circumstantial case. the prosecution would now have to sell to a jury. coming up -- >> he dumped the body. then he bumped the phone. and then he dumped the van. >> the showdown. prosecutors against remy. >> i had the perfect life. i had a wife. i had a girlfriend. the kids. the worst thing that could ever happen to me was jen go missing. >> who would the jury believe?

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remy ramsaran was charged with his wife's murder. but after looking at all the evidence investigators completely cleared his mistress eileen. >> i would never hurt her. >> there's no evidence that she had any involvement in jennifer's homicide. >> remy had been in jail for more than a year when we spoke to him just before his trial. he was focused on what the prosecution didn't have. no murder weapon no

eyewitnesses, no evidence of violence in his marriage. is there no doubt in your mind that you will walk out of here a free man? >> i'm scared of my death that they are going to send me to jail or prison. but here's the thing. i have truth on my side. i did nothing wrong. i did nothing. i would never harm my wife. >> the district attorney jessup mcbride told the jury a different story. >> when december 11 rolled around it was time for him to get rid of his wife. >> the prosecutor painted a picture of a man so infatuated with his mistress that he chose murder over divorce. he played jailhouse phone calls between remy and eileen. >> you know i look at my ring finger every [ bleep ] day, and i just imagine your name right on there. you're a gift from god. you were meant for me. and i know i was meant for you, right? >> yeah. >> remy's best friend and confidant was called by the prosecution to testify about conversations they had had about divorce. >> i mentioned that jen would end up getting the kids and he

was very confident that he would be the one that had the kids. and i kept telling him, i don't think that's exactly how it's going to play out. >> jennifer was going to get custody. and why is that important? that gives him another reason another motive, to kill his wife. >> the prosecution presented all of the little bits and pieces from the investigation. jen's iphone that was found by the defendant himself. the alibi that could not be verified by video. and the timeline that didn't exactly hold up. >> in our theory of the case he actually killed his wife at home cleaned up for a few hours, and then he dumped the body. then he dumped the phone, and he dumped the van. and then he continued on that straight line to the ymca. >> the prosecutor brought the one-time potential suspect, rob from england, into the case. via skype, he told the jury he became alarmed that morning when like a ghost jen disappeared in the middle of a kingdoms of camelot game. >> why is that important? because she never, ever left the game before. she never, ever left without an explanation.

>> the prosecution believed remy caught jen playing the game in bed, and snapped. they found a spot of blood on the mattress and on the sweatshirt remy was wearing the day jen went missing, a stain that turned out to be blood. >> and the dna on that blood spot was also partially remy's and it was partially jennifer's. and that was powerful. >> actually, not powerful at all. countered the defense attorney gilberto garcia. >> the problem is that the evidence does not demonstrate that mr. ramsaran killed his wife. >> remy's attorney argued that all the prosecution had were theories, no real proof that remy murdered jen. he said even those surveillance tapes were worthless. one video was missing a date and time stamp. another had a partially obstructed view. >> i argued to the jury, you can't see this person walking because there's still another 75 feet further that the camera doesn't see.

>> the defense's entire case was just one witness, remy himself. >> everyone needs to know the truth. >> do you have a strategy? >> what strategy? tell the truth. there is no strategy. >> remy testified for two full days. >> it is a circumstantial case. >> totally circumstantial. >> do you worry about motive and how the jury will feel about motive the affair? >> people have affairs all the time and they don't wind up killing their wives. but it's very weak if that's what they're going to claim. >> remy pointed out that he was always cooperative with the police. >> here's the thing. if i had done anything to my wife would i have gone out and tried to find her phone? would i try and help and answer every question to the police? i should have lawyered up right off the bat. you have to remember my life was absolutely fantastic. absolutely fantastic. >> you were living, though, with a secret. >> okay. >> that isn't always fantastic. >> it might be a secret.

but in regards to jen and i splitting apart, and whatever happened it was always there. i mean it's not like a bad thing. >> you had a plan. >> absolutely. >> did you have a plan to kill your wife? >> of course not. >> is this all about remy remy wanted to have the life he wanted? >> whoa. that's where you're absolutely wrong. i had the perfect life. i had a wife. i had a girlfriend. i had kids. i have everything anyone would want. the worst thing to ever happen to me is jen go missing. absolutely the worst thing. >> eileen who had supported remy through the entire investigation, was now living in rewind. her doubt began while remy was in jail. >> just little things were starting to play in my head and it scared me. >> eileen began thinking back to december 11 the day jen disappeared, the day she gave remy a ride home from the y. she says it was out of character for remy to miss a chance to get

her into bed. >> looking back why didn't he invite me in? no one was home. jen was shopping. the kids were at school. >> so she wondered had he been cleaning up a murder scene? eileen went to court the day remy took the stand. and listened. >> i knew he was lying. you know i could tell some of the things he was saying. i needed to hear it. i needed to hear how he was talking, how it was sounding coming out of his mouth. >> what do you think happened that day? when you run it through your mind? >> he knew i was gone. he knew i was back home. and he was angry. and i think jen had decided that i'm moving on too. and i think he just couldn't handle it. i just think he just snapped. >> eileen started to worry what would happen if remy was acquitted. he was sending her messages on facebook from court.

>> he was on his lawyer's laptop messaging me, telling me how much he loved me and how could i give up on him. >> after three weeks of trial, the jurors got the case. they filed back into court just three hours later. >> with respect to count one of the indictment charging the crime of murder in the second degree how do you find the defendant? guilty or not guilty? >> we find the defendant guilty. >> he took her away from everyone. he took her away. she was just the nicest caring person i think, that i ever met. she was just -- she was nice to everyone. >> remy was sentenced to 25 years to life. and from behind bars he is facing another charge bribery, accused of offering a corrections officer $100,000 to help him escape. he has pleaded not guilty. and eileen a devoted mom, is

again separated from her husband. she's decided to face her regret her mistakes, her deep sorrow, head on. do you wish you had never met him? >> yeah. i do. i feel like honestly things would be okay if i hadn't walked into their life. >> you did something that was wrong andin pretty much everyone's book. does it make you a bad person? >> it was wrong, absolutely. i'm not a bad person. and i am never forgive myself. i'm so very sorry. so very sorry. >> that's all for now. i'm lester holt. thanks for joining us. this sunday our brand new

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