♪ ♪ this sunday, crisis on the amrder. president trump democrats. >> they don't care about the children. they don't care about the injury. they don't care about the problem. they don't care about anything. >> blames mexico. >> they can stop the i sigration on tt, but they choose not to do it. >> blames the media. >> they are helping these smugglers and theske traff like nobody would believe. >> in the end, the president moves to stop separating children from theits par >> we are signing an executive order. >> but then says fellow republicanshould stop wasting their time on immigration until after the election. so what is the administration's plan c house thildren or to reunite the families?

my guest this rning republican senator james langford of oklahoma and independent senator angus king of maine who caucuses with the democrats. also, refugee crisis. why are so many people from central america coming to the united states? what are theyar fleeing? ri engel of nbc news has a report from his trip to el salvador. >> and political culture wars. white house press secretary sarah sanders is asked to leave a restaurant because she works for president trump. her father, mike huckabee tweets this picture with the caption,n pelosi introduces her campaign committee. is all of this the new normal? joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news capital news correspondentkasie hunt, and erick erick son editor of the resurntent. welcome to sundhe. it's "meet press". >> the longest-running show in

television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. for perhaps the first time in his tesidency donald trump l an issue that was defined by television. not the facts that parents and were separated at the border, that was the administration's policy, what mattered was what happened next. it was the wall to wl parade of desperate parents and the first ladies and the growing number of reps w was the sound of administration officials articulating a policy om separating children from their parents and then denying that their policy was to separate children from their in the end, president trump did agree to do what he insisted anuld not be done. he signed executive order ending the policy. there are reports of tse infighting at the white house over how to reunite families and confusion about where to house tens of thousands of people. to be fair, this crisis,

immigration crisis which more properly should be called a refugee crisis has confounded esidents beforehand, with children at shelters at the border thks much is clea the tru administration has inflamed a humanitarian crisis and it has no idea yet how to repair. >> people walk in, they put a foot in. please, would you like to register? et thecountries they say hell out of here. >> president trump is on defense. after first denying the admistration could even end the administration's policy. >> congress and the courts created this problem and congress can fix it. >> there is only eae body that d this legislation and it's congress. >> you can't have an executive order. trump signed an executive order he now says would end it. families eeping together and this will solve that problem. >> but the reality is more

complicated. in 1997 flores settlement the government cannot detain children with theiparents for 20 days, likely not enough time for adults to get a court hearing and out of 2300 children the government has confirmed were separated from their parents since may 5th, so far the administration says only 522 children have been reunited with theirfamilies. >> what happens to the kids now that they've been separated from their parents? why did you guys sign it yesterday? >> children are scattered across trthe co housed in about 100 shelters in 1es stnd despite repeated requests, the department of health and human services has not allowed cameras inside forcing on government trn rely on govement handout images and in theof mids this crisis the white house declined to hold a briefing to answer questions for the public t r four straiys.

>> in this audio released by a civil rights attorney, a 6-year-old jimena from el salvadoregs to talk to her aunt. jimena is lucky because she was able to memorize her aunt's phone number. she connected with her this week on the phone. [ speaking foreign language ] >> many of those charged with the illegal entry into the united states say they have on been given a flyer on how to locate their child. >> the children don't have the capacity to even maybe tell them their parents' full name. so being able to id tify the parents through the children is something that's impossible. >> despite the bureaucratic confusion anduestions of pure competence, the president has been pretty clear about one thing, the message he wants to send. >> but if we did that everybody come -- if we did that, you would have -- you're right.

the word is overrun. we would have millions andop millions of pouring through our country. >> joining me now is republican senator james langford of oklahoma. he's been taking the lead on finding the short-term congressional fix to the family separation issue. senator langford, welcome back to "meet t press" sir. >> thank you. good to be back with you >> let m start with the basic question. have we misnamed this? is this refugee crisis than an immigration crisis considering this is a specific region of the world where this is emanating from? >> this has been a long-term issue. i'm not sure i'd call it a fugee crisis, abo you it's been destabilizing for a long time. there was $650 million into el salvador, honduras and they'll provide some stabilizing force to be r government and able to provide them a reason to be able to stay.

i've been in the region multiple times, to be able toer e how that money is being spent, but this is a long-term issue. you go back to 2013 there weree famioming as a family unit and now we're up to 89,000 families a year that are coming at the united states as a family unit. >> let's goo some specifics here because we haven't gotten a ot of answers from the trump administration, maybe you have gotten some of these answers. maybe they're fulfilling their duty to at least let you kwhw 's going on in congress. do you know how many of these kids that have been separated -- how many of them are in shelters? how many of them are at detention facilities and how many of them are in foster care. t you know how many are a good idea with categories. >> we know where every single child is. this is an issue that's gone out there in some of the other medis and not been responsible with this with the assumption that the administration's lost track of that. so let me clarify a couple of

things. these are caer professionals that work with hhs and that work with dhs and customs and border patrol and i.c.e. these are not political appointees and they are career folks and they know where every child is connect them with their relative. tryinge to be a make sure we're connect the dots on this. of the 12,000 children 1000 of those are unaccompanied minors. >> right. >> that came with no parent at all andhen you've got another 2,000 that are out there that came with a family member of some type. they're all in hhs custody and they're trying to be able to reconnect em now, bu hhs often puts them in foster care across severalca states e they can't handle the load on the southern border. >> to be clear, while you said we know where every child is that the governmt kno where every child is. the government of the 2300 that were separated from their parents, that thsagovernment has the number might be higher, we don't know, but of the 2300 they've confirmed do we know where those parents are?

that's an unknown, we don't know where the parents are. >> well, it's a known of the adult they csome withhe child and adult they came with, we don't know if that is the parent. oftentimes the parent that is somewhere in the country oftentimes legally, as well. they came with another relative and sone to be able to c the dots to see if we connect them with their parent that's here in the country and connect them going through procedures and whatever that may be and yes, we are able to connect them as well. >> the chi, youdentify the parent and the child, then what happens? is the parent brought to where the child is? are they sent to a separate facility? what can yt tell us about t situation? >> it's a mixture. we are trying to work through the process to connect throu the adult and some of the adults are given an ankle monisyring em and an ankle bracelet and they get a notice to appear

hearing and as you put in yr lead-in which was very well done. the flores settlement from 1997 ys that you can only hold that job for 20 days and it takes about 35 days to get a hearing. what the court set up in 1997 was this conundrum. you have to either r as they come as a family when they come into the country and hope they show bup. very clear, only 2% of the family units that come to the united states illegally actually go through and actually had the notice to appear,finished up with the notice of removal and actually leave the country. so the family units that are coming here. ry% of them end up somewhere in the cou most of them illegally because they never actually leave a er they're given the responsibility for an order of removal. >> your congressional fix here and let's get to the 20-day conundrum. the trump administration's asking for relief from the courts. they're probably not going to get it because the obama admini very same relief.the

they didn't get it either. you want to defund it. how is that going to make the matt easiero deal with? if you don't fund the flores settlement essentially, not allow any money to go to it, how is that going to help the situation? i'm a b confused. >> so let me give you three different options. one is to sa we don't fund it, push it back to the court and say we don't give theec ive branch the ability to be able to operate this, and we want to go to the crt and be able to resolve it. the next is to change the dates on it.no to say it' 20 days or maybe 60 days to gis enough time to get through a hearing and so we keep families together the entire time to be able to do th. we've got add additional judges which we've asked for 225 additional judges across the country to be added for am gracian and ultimately we've got to deal withflores as a whole. the lowest level i'm trying to find the lowest common denominator so we can make sure we funk together.

e best thing to do is to reform it so that we actually keep families together and keep them there long enough tat we can get through a proper hearing. >> are you in favor of using military baseso house these families? it appears dhs has made a request to the defense department. is that y is that something you think is a good idea. >> presidentbama used basis for the minors and some were in my home state in oklama which by the way, members of congress from my state tried to visit those facilities that are in my state where prident obama was holding the unaccompanied minors and they were turned away at the door and told they were not allowed in. this is something new e trump administration is doing blocking people out. no, it's the exac same policy hhs had before. we made an appointm mt and after e an appointment we were able to go through the process. >> should that be the process or should there be more transparency? do you think the white house has been fully transparent with the american public 'rout what

th trying to do here? >> i don't, actually. this has been one of the great frustrations. the white house has not been clear on how bad the flores settlement is.th tried to say it, say it and say it. you shouldn't allow just ayone to view a spot with children. this has been policy, if you're coming to the location wheres therildren, we need to know who you are and we have to know backgroundnd we can't trust that you have an ct di.d. if you do that you can get in as a member of congress just liket presidbama had the children at a military base as well. >> my final question is whether the president is creating more problems or making it harder to solve by the rhetoric he's using. this is how he's described people coming across the border st this week, senator. take a listen. >> they could be murderers and thieves. >> they endanger all of our children. upmillions of people flowing and just overtaking the country. >> they're human traffickers,

they're coyotes. we're getting some real beauties. >> we wante in our country based on merit. not based on a draw where other countries put their absolute worse in a bin and they start drawing people. >> do you believe that rhetoric demonizesgrants and makes your job harder? >> it does, actually, but the challenge of it there is a percentage where the president is absolutely correct on that. >> what's the percentage? the percentage is pretty small. >> it is. small.retty >> to do two for two -- go ahead, sorry. >> i would prefer the president would say the folks are coming for check reasons they wantle t be into an area where they have greater economic opportunities. every family wants to be able to see that for their family, but there are also some individuals that are there. on average, every day dhs stops or interdicts ten peopleon that arhe terror watch list trying to come into the country. so i have a real concern that we're demonizing law enforcement

folks that really are trying t be able to do their job because there are very real threats, but the vast majority of individualses are coming for economic reasons and they're coming from central america and they're not fleeg to costa rica, belize or ecuador who have eatsylum laws. they're coming to the united states because they want the economic opportunities and not just asylum and they're trying mito come for eco gains and i don't blame them for that, but to telyou the truth, 1.1 million people a year become citizens legally and th can be done legally, but the challenge is for those individualsa that' much smaller number that are doing it illegally, how do you process thato >> se langford, i'm going to leave it there. thank you for coming on and sharing your views. much appreciate it. >> thank you. joining me from brunswick, maine, is independent. i want a perspectihe from the side of the aisle. >> good to be withou, chuck.

>> are we misnamed this? is this a refugee crisis more than it is a migrant or immigration crisis? >> think it is. i think that's exactly it's more of an asylum and refugee. it's important to make distinctions. these are almost entirely people coming from central america and not mexico, particularly honduras, el salvador and guatemala, and they're fleeing violence andt t one of the reasons that this deterrent may looking downyou're the barrel of a gun in your home community, whatever your chances are to get to a free country, you're going to ta it in order to save your family's life. so if that really is what're talking about here and this is different from, very different from the waves of illegal immigrants coming across the border 15, 2 yearsago, mostly from mexico, simply looking for jobs. mexican migration has diminished enormously. >> if it is -- if you believe it

should be treated more as a refugee crisis. for instance, how we handled the cubans in the'50s and the '60s andth vietnamese i '70s. how has the approximately see changed -- does theve ment intervention, should it be different if it's a refugee? cris well, yeah, because if you're crossing the border illegally with no claim of alum or refugee status, then that's a crime and we have a processor leportation. pe have -- people coming to claim asylum are not illegalim grants and under the law they have a right to establish their claim of asylumhat are in legitimate fear for their life and they're fleeing persecution in their country and that applies to people from other parts of the world, but you have that right and the problem is james langford mentioned this. we don'tve enough judges and

theria there's a bureaucratic backlog to t adjudicated. what do you do with the people in the interim and the administration made a terrible choice of separating children from their parents and now they're saying well, we'll keep them together and we'll keep them together in detention. i don't think that a necessar choice either. there's a lot of data that there are alternatives to detention that can still ensure that people show up for their court hearing which by the way are a lot cheaper for th taxpayers. >> very quickly on this senator langford, he's leaving to fix the flores amendment and you heard a lot of ways to do that, defule it coly and make it something and the administration can't do it d extend it to 60 days rather than 20 days. what do you favor and i know a bill with natorfieinstein, but there's no republican support, and i assume it's a partisan deal. are there things that you can support?

>> well, there are a number of proposals kicking around and i was in a meeting in susan collins' office and it was very interesting sitting next to dianne feinstein and ted cruz. ted cruz and dianne both have a bill. the opportunity to vote for a feinstein/cruz bill. they're talking about not separating and talking about somes alternatid this is where the discussion is, does it have to be detenkeon? i don't he defunding idea and that's essentially saying, you know, the courts, we're going to listen to you. i don't think that makes sense, but i thinitsome anal time may be true, but i want to talk about how do we deal th these people? the other thing, chuck, we've got to talk about is what'sn going on these countries and why is this surge coming toward us. >> right. >> in fact, before the prisram orning james and i were talking about going to central america. he been there a couple of times. >> right. >> and trying to figure out whae

ca do to stabilize those regimes so people don't feel they have to r for their lives to america. 2> i'm curious, considering what happened in 4 when the obama administration was tackling essentially the same surge of lks coming from central america. the obama administration didn't exactly welcome those folks wien rms either. the goal was, while they didn't separate, the goal was to get th back to the home country as quickly as possible. was that a miiake insight? >> i think they were overwhelmed. if you go back an read about that period, and i went with a couple of other senators to mcallen, texas, during that period to see how these kids were being treated. the difference betweenhen and now, three years ago they were unaccompanied kids. what's happened this time is kids are coming with their families, with their parents and they're being separated and that's what i think caused this firestorm, but there clearly has to be a better way to deal with this, and i thinke are alternatives to detention, more

judges and more timely processing of these things because we're a nation of immigrants, number one, except for the african-americans who were brought here, against their will and the native american, but all the rest of us are immigrants and also asylum seekers. the pilgrims were escaping religious persecution. >> right. >> andre sullivan argues this week, just give trump his wall.s he more colorful language than that and go get something for it if you're th democrats. give him his wall because maybe there will be more heart in the rest of these policies and the rest of this migrant crisis. t are yore yet? give the president has wall and figure this out? >> ironically, chuck, we did that. mike grounds and i had an amendment and it was the one that got t most votes on the floor of the senate. we got 54 votes. it was in a sense daca for the wall, andhe wall was fully funded. the democratic caucus ted, i

think, 46 out of 48 member, and 49 members for i that was a hard sell, but the white house itself toedoed the bill. they threatened to veto and they sent out a scurrilous press release from dhs and we had the votes. we had probably 65, 67 votes. they killed it. they had the wall in their hand and tht let go because they wanted more and the question is they keep sortsi of r the ante and saying you have to limit legalti immig. you've got to change this. you've got to change that and at's one of the problems is we never know what the goal line is. >> want to show you a movement growing on the democratic sideh ofisle and a hash tag, abolish i.c.e. referring to the enent agency when it comes to immigration. listen to kamala harris said about the idea of abolishing i.c.e. i think there's no question that we have to critically

re-examine i.c.e. and its role and the way it is being adminiered and weprobably need to think about starting from scratch. >> what do you make of that? is i.c.e. the bigge problem here? >> i don't -- i don't know how you abolish an agency without abolishing the function and i think the function is necessary. as far as what sheid about examining what they're doing, that's absolutely what we should do and it's our responsibility to provide oversight and ultimately there would have to be an agency. before i.c.e. there was ins and there was a way to enforce the immigration laws in the country, but takg a look at how they're doing it and how they're approaching it. the question w had -- we had a border patrol stop up here in maine a couple of weeks ago. is that constitutional? do we stop american citizens in the middlef a highway and ask for their papers? there are a lot of be answered.o

i don't know if i say abolish. i don't think that makes a lot of sense, but i do thinkt lookig atakes a hell of a lot of sense. >> ssnator an king, independent senator from maine, thanks for coming on and sharing yourvis, sir. >> thanks, chuck. when we come back, more on what's behind the border crisis. you heard both senators refer to the issue in central america nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is back from el salvador, one of back from el salvador, one of thent ces where life is so peri their exce is coveted. back from el salvador, one of thent ces where life is so their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of. researchers of technologies that one day you will. some call them the best of the best. some call them veterans. we call them our team.

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in honduras and el salvador that accordg to the united nations, those two countries have the highest homicide rates in the world. highest homicide ratese world and you wonder why people are fleeing. richard engel returned last night from a trip to elalvador where he reported why people are willing to risk this dangerous journey and mily separation come to the united states and richard joins me now from seaside, california, where we made him s gp here to on our show. richard, thanks very much. let me start with this. normally i'm talking to you and you're in a w zone somewhere, maybe you're in syria, maybe you're in north africa or maybe somewhere in asia, but here you are in central america. does it feel like the war zcoes yor when you cover the war? >> reporter: it felt ry much like a war zone, a l-grade war zone and there were

salvador where you can't go, and where the police and government don't feel safe towe go. e talking about a population of 100,000 active gang members and when you have thatitany people guns and when you have a government that doesn't feel in control of the capital i , then you're having a war zone dynamic. people we talked to said they're afraid to go out in the countryside. when they do they see gang members carrying their weapon openly. there are gang checkpoints stopping you, asking you where you're from and what affiliation you have and if they don't like your answers they will ll you and drop you in the street. we went to a prison and met very hard-core gang members and one of them bragged to us that he'd killed 35 people just himself and when youha that number of dangerous people who feel that boldened it is not surprising that people want to leave the country and seek differentpo unities and don't want their children to get sucked into the gang life and have them become the next generation of killers or victims.

>> in some ways you've spent wa ch time in syria for us at nbc. compar thestory in el salvador. how much of that country are they actually governingan how much of it are the gangs in charge of this.ke is it syria where you had parts of the country governed by certain entities? >> reporter: well, not just the or so who are active gang members, there are some estimates that you have to five or that number by ten to get the real number of people who are actually affilied with gangs, supported with gangs, make their lively hood with gangs and this is a small country, el salvador. we're only talking 6.5 million people. that is roughly one in ten people there is either a gang member or makes t leirelihood from a gang member. we're talking about 10% of the population, just of the population living outside the law, and this is a population armed.

so they are able to control and erert their will over a lot more of thentage than that. so there are large parts of the country that are not fully under the government's control. >> i'm curious, you spent a lot of times on the front lines covering the migra crisis into southern europe. give me some similarities, differences between what you witnessed with this migrant crisis coming uprom central america. al >> so you wereng to a lot of your guests earlier. is this a refugee cril s from centerica or a migrant crisis? usually they're always mixed together. you have people fleeing from war zones and people actively afraid for their lives a want more economic opportunities. but what i haven't seen before is this family separation. as i was there in central america, watching the people try to leavewatching them be deported back home i remembered covering this msive migration crisis that was in europe a few years ago, and we saw lots and

lots of refugees and lots and lots of migrants, but we didn't see authorities deliberately separating people from families. they didn't see it as necessary and productive. i was in hun garry and hungary has most aggressive, hardline, anti-immigration crisis and people are coming into hungary, and i remember one image seared in my brain, ehey were on bus and people on the bus started becoming hysterical. they werehouting and under guard and very agitated. what happened is one of the family members on the bus had gotten separated from their child so everybody on the bus started to scream. the bus stopped. they opened the windows and people on the ground lowered- raised the child, raised the babe o baby on to the bus so the family could stay together and the family drove off, the bus drove off. one of hungary that has

the most anti-immigration policy in the world right now, they we stopping the busses and making sure the people could be reunited with their families because they didn't want to inflict any more trauma on to the people, so they could control theation and not cause unnecessary agitation and stress. >>rd engel, you've seen quite a bit of this in your travels around the world, richard. thanks for yourrerting. much appreciated. before we go to break, aam quick prong note. c jacob soboroff, tonight he'll be reporting on the crisis on dateline sunday called "the dividing line" it airs at 7:00, dividing line" it airs at 7:00, 6:00 centr

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back now with the panel. steve hayes, president trump had his first retreat, and you would argue that it was the first guardrail, that got him to reverse himself. what does that mean? >> it was the public pressure. the president didn't do this easily and this is an ad hoc president leaving his staff and congssional republicans to scramble in his wakery to make things right. if you think about the white house line on this, the line that the president's supporters took. they went from separating families was the right thing to do, to the separating families were terrible, but dem made us do it, it's awful and only congress can fix it to the president's executive order has solved the problem and obviously the's inconsistency there. you're seeing the president scramble and he doesn't know

what he thinks and this is a president who has a htory of a variety of positions on this broad immigration issue. remember he in 2012 criticized mitt romney for his self-deportation plan as maniacal, crazy and mean spirited and he's pushing a plan that i think we'd all agree is more aggressive than mitt romney's. >> heather? >> i think this is what the president of the united states' thinks is hiss political ace in the hole. my people love the family separation thing. you would think the president saying my people would mean all of us, but no. he's talking about a friend who's been weaned on these negative imag as immigrants and gang members and he doubled down by saying holding that press confereine by s that we have an epidemic of people being killed byundocumented

immigrants when we know that migrants, whether they're undocumented or not, commit crimes at lower rates than nativeorn americans. this is a political strategy to divide americans to makeres feel like t a sense of panic and fear and actually think any time we use the word crisis to talk about border crossings that are at a 40-year low, we're actually feefrng into that. kly, there are things he's doing to the economy, threats to health care, tax handout to the very wealthy that are things that he wants to distract from and that's what's happenin right now. >> eric, had the case, it's good for me, and good for the party. and i thought i understand why he thinks it good for him. it's been good for his political career. what do you make of his claim that it's good for the party for the midterms? >> this is the first time that i can remember some of h evangelical leaders speaking up and criticizing him which is if siant when you've had evangelicals who stood up with him through everything and criticizing him and having to lk back and having the president who is the best negotiator, supposedly, walking

this back himself, i don't think that's goofor the party. he thinks there ar2 billion news cycles between now and november. this isn't going to anchor the party and the tariffs and what's going to happen to the economy. >> kasie, this is the first time that i thought a subhat i think about this sunday is now the same subject, that i'm questioning this sunday. that is a rare occasion and i think it tells you the potency the issue. >> i'm with you, chuck and i remember thinking the same thing last sunday as we were heading into the news we you wonder is this the story that will be different and will carry through? you're absolutely riat this one did, and i also think li's the first time and erick mentioned the evanl leaders and it's the first time congressional republicans looked at something the president did and said no way. how many times have we asked ourselves, charlottesville, the muslim ban, when will republican leaders stand up to the president? and the answer was when we saw these awful images of children

being separated and there was t a person that i could find saying this is what we should be doing. no, yes, we have problems at the border and there were asagreements among republicans about thou to handlum claims and should we build the wall, but to a person, nobody wanted to defend this.th >> what'bigger threat? how he's handling the issue of immigration or how he handles the cleanup of this.o i wanting up people who said this is his, quote, katrina. i want to put up a quote and ge ge. bush wrote about katrina. because i thought it could app here. he said, just as katrina was more than a hurricane, this is what president bush wrote, it's impa was more than physical construction and it cast a cloud over my second term. i thought that was an interestingbservation of how it is possible,th h and steve that how they reunite or don't reunify, becomes a competency issue and not a partisan issue.

>> i would say maria has been president trump's katrina and i think issue where there's just this callousness and particularly to the latino community in this country and in this part of the world, that shs that they really don't care and when a government doesn't care, you begin to erode the tru, and i think part of what's happened here is that we nohave even with the executive order. we now have in every single state hundreds of thousands of people pledging to go to the border, to go to their state capitals on june 30th to rally. this has become a cultural flash point. for people who wantheir country to stand for something better. >> i would just add to that, the ma difference what you sai about president trump is that president trump wants to exacerbate these decisions. president bush lamented those -- reetted what he did. president trump wants to do this, but look, so do the democrats. it was a thoughtful, substantive conversation. >> by the way, they are in the 40-yard line of american politics. >> and the politics here, i think, one of the reasons you don't have solutions to the broader immigration problem is

because it works politarally for bothes and extremes of both parties. kamala harris talking about abolishing i.c.e., that's the soluon where we'll abolish t bureaucracy at's been responsible for enforcing these things? >> this is an agency, not the point. >> the point is, she's offering an extreme solution that doesn't actually solve any problem because somebody- >> to build on heather's point here and i want toet kasie i here, is this in the way that il conservatives say abolish the irs which is sort ofdi a lous proposition and is going to become that abolish the irs>> chant? think it's becoming a litmus test for this issue in potentially a 2020 primary situation and if you think about kamala harris in particular, she has been frankly, if you're an activist on immigration, she is one of your people. she took a vote in the senate and one of only three democrats

that bucked her own party on compromise. she is to the -- i don't quite want to describe it asarther to the left. she is setting the bar for where that is. s >> of the mainstream presidential on this issue. she is setting the bar for where that is and people, frankly, are responding and tto event we went over and she went to visit a detention center where mothers were separated and they didn't organize a rally, but there were hundreds of people that showed up on the street and some with organizations and the aclu and others and they came to see hea >> it will bscinating debate if that percolates. you have angus king there and you will have the debate about i.c.e. in these primaries and let me take a quick break. when we come back, we'll change gears a bit and president trump said it's easy to win a ade war and there are losers in the united states and guess who most of them voted for? before we go to break, a word about someone we lost this week and charles krauthammer began a career a a ychiatrist, and became a political renowned and

a diving accident at the age of 22 left him a quadriplegic. krauthammer waiva neoconserv in his tv appearances, he was tough and rigorous and never disagreeable. he appeared on "meet the press" six times and most recently he was on fox news the morning of election day with quitthe far-sighted prediction of what a trump presidency might mean. >> the first thing he will do is he will irreversibly re-shape the party. this was the party of reagan, th anbush years were sort of an echo of the reagan years. defined the contours of the party. trump will do that and it will changed, particularly t most obvious issues are going to be immigration and trade. this will be a -- it will be a this will be a -- it will be a populist party.

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♪ back now with "endgame." all right, we had a couple of interesting former republicans, i guess, calling for democrats to take control of house. rst you had michael bloom berke, he's going to support flipping the house. es says republicans in con have had almost two years to prove they can govern responsibly and they failed and it's critical we elect people who lead in ways this congress don't. you can argue if he was a real republican before he switched to democrat, i'll take your point. uyt how about george will, the congressional republican caucuses must be substantially reduced, that they'll be stripped of the article 1 powers that they've been too

invertebrate to use to wield against article 2 powers. they worked so e leisure time hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have beenop aed because of them. >> i believe that congress has had their muscles atrophy. congress is a class of pundits as opposed to a class of emgislators and it's a pro on both sides of the aisle where both sides want the issue to campaign on. i do think there is a danger for democrats though, in that typically in the midterms you depend on an incumbent party e at doesn't turn out and the progressive cultr, the immigration issues and what not aren't firing up the republican base. >> kasie? >> you know, one risk here that i do think when i read george will's column about diminishing these marities, for some republicans they don't realize if they get really close, but they don't actually win the

-- if't democrats d actually win the house, you're going to be left with thearrowest of republican majorities and that will hand all of theower to the far right of the conference. so if republicanp if never trpublicans want democrats to win the house they better get their act together and work as hard as they can because otherwise the consequences will be worse >> you know, listen, i have been asking for republicans to put country over party since trump walked down those stairs. so i absolutely believe that this is the beginning of the change and rebirth of the republican party which is going to be necessary.o it is tor into the fringe and we have the fringe in the white house and this country n wi be able to be a bipartisan country if the republicans continue to be this identity. >> steve, i would say you're in the middle of this fight inside the conservative movement, i won't call it your party, but

the conservntive move right, basically one wing versus this trump wing? >> yes. it's not my party. there's no question that what you're seeing is an ideological scramble and what george will is doing is making a long-term argument and most members of in congress are lin the short term and they're living between here and then, and that's the big challenge. >> very diplomatic, by the way. the culture wars reared their ugly head th weekend and we've had sarah sanders get kicked out of a restaurant by the owner because she worked for president trump.u d mike huckabee use a pretty disgusting sort of tweet, picture here to describe nancy pelosi and her campaign committee using gang members on that. criticaliksson you wer of all of it and you were almost apologetic and you said your younger self might have so participated i of this. is this a new normal and will this get even uglier? >> i think it is going to get uglier. ntthink he is less than anomaly

and an inflexion p we're heading towards an argument if both sides don't turn out. it's not enough to say well, you started it. no, you started it, this happen or this happened. it is, we have -- i had trump supporters show up on my front porch to threaten my family. you have the secretary of homeland security as progressive s show up in your house to protest. you have people thrown out of restaurants and if we can't agree and disagree and let be, and beneath ever si-- and neith side wants to do that, as religion in the country fades and society becomes morend more secular people are finding their salvation and morals in politics and thas a bad thing. >> sarah huckabee sanders, using her official government platform to claim victim stats , and what shing is trying to distract from the way that that administration's policies are actually victimizing some of the least powerf people on the anet. you know, refugee children. there is a difference between being discriminated against for who you are and being judged for what you do and that's what we saw. >> chuck, i think one thing,

o, here is people, the tenor of the debate on whether or not e there are people across other side of the aisle who you might be able to work with has completely fallen apar i feel like even -- >> even in the senate every day. there were these great lions and friendships and ted kennedy, and john warner, people worked together and quite frankly, you saw that reflected in voters, as well.s >> voto were willing to consider voting for someone else. the tribalism of this, i just fail to see if you think that just because you're a o member the other party that there's no circumstance under which you can work with that person? that's scary. >> all i know is whatever happened to the golden rule is everyone just did golden rn e we might betiny bit better place. that's all for today. thank for watching and we will continue this conversation, and week w we'll be back ne because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪ here.

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