. a prisoner of war for 5.5 years. >> elected to the senate six times beginning in 1986. >> this is man that we'll all want to watch, his name is john mcc >> republican nominee against barack obama with a since of history. senator obama has achieved great things for himself and his country. i applaud him for it. a fearless critic even of a president of his own party.

>> cooked up by pple who would rather find scapegoats. >> who fought with believes always in his honor. >> it matters less that you can fight. what you fight for is the rea test. his morning we remembe john mccain. will talk to hillary clinton and his arizona lleague jeff flake and plus presidentrump's nightmare week, michael cohen pleads guil and manafort found guiltys the presiden allies abandoning him. how is all of this impacted president trump's approval ratings. we have a brand new poll taken before and after the cohen/manafort stories broke. joining me is andrea mitchell,h e jackson, susan page, and david brody. welcome to sunday for a special edition of "meet the press."

from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chk todd. good sunday morning, he was a warrior, a politician and a maverick. the news he died late it was not unexpected but less tragic. some deaths leave a greater hole in our national physche. his wife cindy wrote, "my hearm is broken, i lucky to live the adventure of this man for 38 years." he passed away in the place he loved best. he was a prison of war five and a half years in hanoi, a two times presidential candidate and ways his own man, a maverick

as he was so fond off saying himself. his last moment in the senate came in dramatic in the senate. he walked in the floor and voted inhe affordable care act. we'll get to some of the big news in the . we'll begin with two of my colleagues who have covered mccain for decades. tom brokaw and andreami hell. >> you had the last interview conducted with john mccain. let me play it when you asked him are we going to be okay. this is what he said. >> mark twain said history does not repeat itself but it rhymes. i can also say i believe in america and i believe in its people and the folks in arizona, i am not a pessimist about

future. >> tom. >> well, i'm siting here in icag chicago, i am here to look back what happened in the city 50 years ago. was a democratic convention, we lost 15,0 people in vietnam that year. we had b by kennedy assassinated. when i asked h about that, he said it was much worst then. he was always authentic of what he had so say ande could be critical. he got along h agot angry with me -- about what, i was not ear. he came me, two years ago, i was wrong. i don't know anotherolitician who can talk like that.íf his friend included, the democratic leader o s theate and people like warrench mls

who was the producer of reque "saturday night live." e we are missing that and nd of authenticity that he brought to the arena. >> andrthis is what he wrote ine washington post" this weekend. mccain was a romantic about his causes and a cynic about the world. he had the capacity to be both things and t live with the contradiction. he was realistically optimistic i guess. i guess that optimism, that shining city on the hill that, of course, we think of ronald reagan, i think michael bessla says last night if the happy warriorad not been coined to h

describeert humphrey that john mccain will be the happy warrior. warrior and fighter always but always so much optimism and joy and passion. passion becae he believed so much in hise country and people of our country and he believed in a grear vision of america. >> tom, every generation has is handful and it is a small handful of people who don't beco become president but bigger than lihe. how did achieve that status in your mind? >> well, i think you achieve that by sailing against winds that are prevailing. for example, both parties are more idea logs. what is really needed to be done and john mccain would do that.

he was not trapped by his party label. he was very conservative on internationa affairs b willing to take a look at domestic program from a different perspective. we don't have that much anyre politics. youw know i g up at a time where both parties got alongh evengh they had different ideology. now, we have everybody trapped in to this kind of ideologil box. you can't move onto that box. >> i want to rd you john's statement. because it invokes a great story of yours. we met 32 years. we bothhe loved navy but we had oppositebo views war of our youth. we didn't trust each other. we traveled to vietnam and wee

found mmon ground in the most probable place. i stood with john where years of hislife were in pain but always in honor. >> the trip that the fact they would stand there gether. what john kerry did after the war being one of the leading, his first appearae e on "meet ess" as a protesters against the war. they worked together. as john kerry wro in the tribute last night, he was savaged by lesser people but that word could never hurt him because he was stronger the broken places in the words of hemmingway, the great hero that john mccain]ñt

realize how bitter it was and w much they had toay in the political price. ns andave these two vete john mccain the p.o.w., gave bill clinton in 1995, the political cover to actually normalize relations with our former enemy. >> tom brokaw, it is at least 70 people thaare nominees for the united states senate this november. there is going to be a lot of oh remembrance ofmccain this week and a lot of people are reading about moments of john mcca a that they just learning about. half of the people will come back to the sate, what lessons do you hope they take away from what they learn about john mccain. >> something greater than a party label or the kind of ideolocal if you will, an ne attachment, th of the country are not just david weom

issues and where we stand. to take a stand against what you know is not the best interest of the country, it happens to be the ideology of whoever that's in the white house wchl. we need more people who'll sail against the wind. i went into hanoi and stood in that park anded into what lake where he landed and shot down terribly injured. i have seen pictures of him being savage to death in way and he went through five and a half years. before all that, he had been a playboy fliy playyer and it changed his life. he came out and wanted to help thentire country and not the entire base, that's a big >> tom brokaw and andrea mitchell. both.you >> mr. obama defeated hillary

clinton andaienator m lost that year. the two shared eight years together in the senate and spent a lot of time togetheroverseas. joining us now on the form is former secretary of state, and 2016 nominee of president, hillary clinton.yo than for joining me, simply, what is his legacy in your mind? >> i was listening to tom and and yardr , i think we can talk about for hours what he meant to the country and what he meant to a lot of us individually. he leaves a legacy of courage. the courage we all came to know use his time as a p.o.w. hitting up everyday and working as hard as he did for the people of arizona and for the

that he cherished was not easy. you are right i did travel with you. he could not h combs own hair because of the war injury he had sustaine n he could lift his arm above the shoulder level. we used to laugh because when we would do tv tether for sometimes "meet the press." oh, we got a clip f later you. don't worry.ll >> h say well, if my hair is sticking up, i have so much wonderful personal memories of him as well as publi ones. >> it was interesting the way he conducted himself in the senate, he almost would go out of his way toind the democrat that you would think is least likely to work with the rendblicans try to forge a bond with them, before you is ted kennedy. it almost became a legendary the

way he would to reach out. >> well, that's because he did believe in the institution and he knows. he knew that the senate could not work if we did not work together. i think it was heartbreaking to him that as he said in thech sp she gave right voted against repealing against the affordable act that we need to cooperate and learn how to trust each other again and do better to serv the peoplewho elected us. he was so typically john in those remarks. he said stop listening to the bombastic loud mouths on tv and on the internet. the ?nhell with them. his nderstood the marrow o bones and what it meant to be an american and how important it was for us to just to agree and differ.

at the end of the day to work together and trust each other and get thingsne, he'll be missed for many, many reasons but i think that example that he sets of working across the isle and working to bring people together here at home andarnd the world is one we should remember. >> let me quo him and say let's have at little strai talk. the timing of his death in the moment that we are in politics, there is a reason washington is taking an extra stomach punch this morning. the vacuum he leaves and the timing, we can't ignore this moment that he's leaving us. >> you are 100% right. he understood that we have been through careless times before at home and abroad. but, our institutions are being severely tested right now. including his beloved senate and

he wasyn every wa he knew how trying to sound the alarm and to get all ofus as american who understand the ideal that we stood for around the globe, if we turn or backs on leadership on behalf of human rights and the kind of future we want to forge for our children and grandchildren, we'll be giving up on what he fought for and what he wasin prison for and what he stood for and in a long line of american patriot. >> secretary clinton, i am going to leave there. i thank you, i assume you and lindsey graham are going to hav sodka shots and toast to the senator. >> well, i don't know, i hope that'll happen. >> i think the irishman in john cain would love you to celebrate that wain secretary n, thank you for sharing your remembrance with

us. >> thank you, bye. >> this week sator mccain will be -- over night president bush released this statement, "some lives are so vivid, i i difficult to imagine them ended." what a great way to put it. president obama released a statement saying john mccain and i were members of different generations but we shared for all differents a fidelity to something higher. mccain will be buried at the naval academy at annapolis. let me bring in our panelists. i want you guys to share but i want to share moments of john mccain in 2000s regtting what

he's standing up for theco ederate in south carolina. this is 15 years before the debate gotback. here he is. >>y tught on the wrong side of america history. that my friends is how i feel of the onfederatettle fg. that's the honest answer i never gave to a fair question. susan page. what does that say about him? >> it is a reminder that john mccain is not a perfect person. he made mistakes in his lif but he would come around and admit it and apologize for it.is he did with reporters and there were times where he was fa ly criticized for stories was written and two days later he wld call youack and say i was wrong, you were fair. who does that? >> a somebody who covers the white house, talk about the timing of this and the moment we are in, i can't helpt to look a the reaction and the response of

the death of mccain. lookack to 2008 when the birther movement was beginning against barack obama. senator came out and talking abouant chris-- a movement by the way that donald trump was pushing as part of aoniracy theory years later and he had the war hero comment where he says mccain was not a war hero. the nc came out and condemned donald trump. you look at what's happening the last year as john mccain in arizona, president trump has not mentioned him by name but he has attacked him on his health. and the way it is a contrast to the way you look at how republicans have shifted, i think, over the years when it comes to that relati. >> he's a statement living in a political environment where

state men is a bad word. i alinterviewed him a dozen times. i will never forget the twinkle in his eyes and we all know that look that'sind of like, look, this is the marick in me. i have to tell you, look, on judges and is laum alam and youi th, he was solid on a lot of stuff. if he had not bucked his party so much, he may haveeen the president of the united states >> i rode over here this morning th the driver who droven j mccain. he said oh, i remember him, i ui -- he would sit in the front instead of the backld and he wou call the driver by his name. as i got out of the car, oh,e i is nhat he shared those

stories, wait a minute, what is my driver's name. i didn't even ask. maya angelou once said, people will make you -- even that speech that senator clinton referenced about ignoring all the bombastic loud mouth is about remembering the humanity. a i think part of it saks to that. that ability for us to view one another as people ngo are tr to build al more perfect union. >> you got to something. i sa it in a blunt way earlier. the guy was not a snob. do you know how many political eporters i know and including this one right here who is the first person to acknowledge them to take them seriously as art re and not just to look

for the recognizable tv face. no offense to any of us now on. he was not a snob whether with a driver. that was an incredible aspect of hipl >> i think pwho goes through enormous times as he did as a prisoner of war. also a sense of gratitude for everyday and i think he came out of vietnamta undeing that everyday was a little bit of a gift and something to be used as a higher he talked about it to everybodyo to member congress and members of the press, he thought all of us should ha a higher purpose. >> he thought we all had a stake in keeping the democracy he thy. >> i remember him being happy on that bus, he was the front runner and he had dropped of and it was a time where he had drop off and nobody gave hi

him -- heared his own ñbags. look, i have been a p.o.w. for 14 years and this is >>nothing. e was friendly with reporters. >> he called youhey, you scum bag reporter but he >>laughs. yes. >> i think every reporter was called a h name by but it was a smile. >> he gave bunny ears to reporters live on the air. there is a lot of moments that reporters covere mccain will remember. >> yeah, he did not attack them on twitter. >> i will talk to jeff flake of arizona, both of who who sits on their judicial committee. have mpact does this news on the president's rating. we'll remember john mccain right

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welcome back, senator mccain's death was a special note ts here at "meet the press." no guests appeared on here more than johnccain. moments filled with grace, dignity and a lot of humor. senator mccain, welcome back to "meet the press kw." i think the job in congress and people l is to object and criticize and speak up where we ink policy is wrong. >> how did five and a half years in a prison cell in vietnam

prepared you for thesi pncy? it helps me define if principl. i think would not be running for president if i did not think there would be significant changes in the republican party. i would leave the task to some one else. >> we'll battle again. i am su they are eagerly waiting for my return and i am sure of mixed emotions. if the guy wins we have to deal th this president. >> when you saw george w. bush take that both o ice yesterday, did for a micro second, you wish you were in there that in. >> everyday. >> thank you for being honest. >> i still believe that we did the right thing by going in there because sudam hassan has

used those weapons. gest may not be the yo candidate in this race but i am prepared and i prepared to lead untry. sarah palin and i disagree on specific issues? yes, because we are both mavericks. let a thousand flowers bloom. achate the press, i hate you especially but the is we need you and we need a free press. we must have a it. it is vital. >> you said he's growing. >> yes. >> there are some that'll say no, the washington establishment sucked him in. >> i hope so. >> you have been on here a few times. when you are having fun. >> senator john mccain, thank you for joining us. >> ♪ my dad and grandfather had a successful bakfoy in pittsburg 70 years. but after the recession, the decision was made to close the doors. ♪

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manafort was found guilty in eight counts of financial issues of his own. joining me nowenator jeff flake of arizona, senator, i want to begin with your thoughts on senator johncc min, you wrote something very lovely in a self-depu self-depu self-depricatiing way. >> talk more. >> well, yeah, that was my titl the other senator from arizona. i enjoyed that andc but it was like having a big itother who nobody wanted to mess i very much enjoyed serving with senate and in the being in the white house hen he was in the senate as well. >> a lot of people including )s&s that void? it is not going to be a void that's#4 filledeqrç right away. how es a void like john mccain

gets filled? i think you tried to step up in different across the isle but not many of your colleagues do that. >> i don't know we'll ever see anybody who is like john mccain. he's one of a kind. we can certainly try to follow his examples and seeing the good in our opponts and recognizing people who may be on the other side of the isle who have different philosophy and they are friends, they are fellow jr(p's, that would go a long waáu if we would follow that example from john. >> i know chuck schumer says he plan to introduce a senate to renaming the senate office's building, somebody that gos bes back to segr.ation in georg i take it that would be a pretty easy vote for a lot of people to castor rename that building of the mccain senate office building. >> it would be, i hope to be the

first sponsor. he had hisofce there the entire time and including right now near my office. i think tt's a fitting tribute. >> let me move toe the events and ask you a question of dealing the prident. you are on the senate judicial committe the president of the united states was accused in helping to commit al fede crime. he's an unindicted coke conspirator. charlie sykes wrote, republicans will need to show they are more than constitutional potted plants. what should the u.s. congress do now to look into this tccusation th sitting president of the united states was apparently in a court of lawmeirected dy committing a federal crime? >> first, we want to make sure the mueller investigation is

allowed to continue and completed. we passed legislation and judicial committee to that effect, i hope it is brought on the floor. some of the investigation obviously is the mueller at investn, the seventh district of new york and that'll continue as well. so i think to make sure tha there is a separation of powers and congress aumes its constitutional role. that's the most important thing we can do at this point. >> do you think that means just protecting mueller or holding some arings? >> now, i think protecting the mueller investigation, we don't want to get involved in terms of over lapping what's going on there. i think bob mueller is moving forward as they should and that needto continue. there is a conñ that the there is a conñ t6ñ ramped >+se about perhaps firing the attorney general. i hope that does not happen. if it does, we'll deal with it

at that time. timent hasrious if s changed in the senate republican conference when it comes to the plte. i want t you lindsey graham from last year and lindsey graham from last week.ef >> if sessions is fired, there will be holy hill to pay. >> the president is titled to an attorney general he has faith in. i think there will be a time sooner rather than later where it will be timeo have a new face and a fresh voice at the department of justice. >> is it fair to say that sessions does not have the same ount of support in the senate republican conference right now that he did last >> i don't know. there maybe a few isolated voices and the president not to fire him now can tell you as a body we are saying please don't. he served in the pleasure of the president esident, we all know that. i think it would be a mistake. >> what kind of mistake and

repercussion if he does this? >> the concern obviously is that would be the first domino to fall then what happens with rob rosenstein and firing jeffse ions would concern us all and that's the first domino. i frankly think that tpr ident will hold off. he has made these kinds ofe noises befand he pulled back. >> before i let you go, there is a primary i arizona, three republicans repling you in the united states senate, you ka ir care to share with us who you plan to support? >> i wish them we>>. o you think your endorsement helps or hurts people in the primy right no >> nobody would be asking for a republican primary, i can tell you that. this is very much, you know, i am not happy about it but this

is the president's party rht now. we'll be sorry for that in the future but that's the case right now. jeff flake, i know you have a heavy heart this morning, i know it is not easy to come on here wh you lost such a close friend and mentor, thank you for coming on and sharing your thghts today. >> thank you. joining me now is the ranking democrat on the house judicial committee, congressman jerry nadler ofew york. welcome back to "meet the press." >> before i get started, you have been in washington for 26 years. i know you are in theou and the nate asenate. your thoughts in john mccain this mning. >> well, he was a true american hero from his contagious service d vietnam when he refused his ability to go home and two more years of torture inhanoi.

he was a true american hero and it will be alo time to fill his ace. >> let me go to michael coh cohen -- shou that trigger the start of an investigation in the judicial committee that could end up going to impeachment or not but the way our systemwo s, is this the proper way it should begin? >> well, i think the muellerio investighas to continue first and for most and the committee has to defend the mueller investigation against the president and the republicans in congress attempts to sabotage it and discredit it and the fbi and the department of justice. congress is supposed to be checks and balances. has r the republicans, it been the exact opposite,

chairman nunes, saying he views his role is to protect the the f congress is not to leesident. protect the president, we ought to be holdingga invesons. >> what would that look like today? let's say you have a functional relationship of the other side. >> i hope we would confer with mueller to see what we should not that would get in the way of his investigation. we don't want to get interfered with them by accident. we uld be investigating all of these things. the possible interference of the investigation and what we can do to make sure that can't happen again. niwho in thed states aided and abetted that and if other crimes, other improper acts i

terms of the campaign, we should be investigating all of those things and bringing them to life for the american people. possibly seeing if there is any legislation we shoulddo to prevent their reoccurrence in the future. again, we should talkto the mueller people first and make sure we don't step on their >>investigation. et me ask you this, you were one of bill clinton's defenders. if you were charged with running somethingso o form of impeachment investigation, if you are the chairman ofhe committee, what would happen in democrats took over w ngress. uld you make sure you handle it differently than your colleagues 20 years ago? >> i would taktuthe same attitude. impeachment is a constitutional to protect the constitution against the president who would aggregate po and disrupt our

checks and balances and pose a ty e threat to american lib or constitute in the rule law. i would also say at the time that you should not do an impeachment on a partisan bases that in order to do an impeachment properly, you to think that the evidence of threatening impeachable offenses, threatening to liberty was so overwhelming that by the end o the ss, the overwhelming majority of the american people including a lot of the seople whoported the other side would agree you would have to deal with. we didnot have thatthen. >> obviously watergate did have that. let me ask you this final question here, back in 1999, during the debate of whether or not bill clinton obstructed ai justice, you at the time you were not convinced that a president could obstruct justice, do you feel that way that it is not one of - the

quote "may not be impeachable." >> i don't remember saying that. i don't agree with that today. obstruct a president, anybodybs canuct justice. obstruction of justice under certain circumstances may be impeachable offense. remember there is a big dierence between a crime which may or may not be impeachable. impeachable offense does not have to be a crime. >> there is some crimes that the president commits that you don't think it is impeachable? >> the affairs? >> that might because it implicating the process of the electis. >> you are a skeptical kind. >> perjury with regards toe a sexual affair -- perjury regarding an attempt of the president togggate power probably would be an impeachable

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end game brought to you by boeing, continuing our mission to connect, protect anore and inspire. back now with "end game," instead of trying to sum up the week, maybe we'll use these three times magazine covers to start this conversation. this is the "time" for the last 14 months, they have done a series of three of them now. they have the word stormy and wind and now he's suddenly is had the oval office under water. halie jackson, i think this is a good of a wa to describe perhaps how the president is feeling now. >> when you talk to folks in the

white house, there is an insistent that this had nothing to do with us or our picy and what we try to do. the president is doi this thing. we are not creating this crisis strategy and we feel that don't have to now. the poll that you just talked about validate thatrg in l part when it comes to what's happening inside the white house. you f talked tolks at the west wing structure there, people he spea with. he's unhappy with this and he's frustrnd upset but not with paul manafort. that's an interesting piece to watch. made itear publicly as well. >> all the news this week had nothing to do withrussia. that's the bottom line. you got to deliver the goods on russia, we'll see what happens. look at this point if there is no russia, there is no goods on russia, base does not care. why? because a lot of people - >> you think the base cares about russia? re depending on what comes out of it. everybody gets on their moral

high horse and says oh, trump has been dealing with this for 30 kwleyears and he's been doin this f years. they don't care and they realized what they're voting for and signing up for. how do i say this? the republicans and democrats, reth parties are to blame and donald trump is and he's a boy in a china shop. >> can i say one thingthough? the argument that would be effective with his bases, this is a president who repeatedly promise to higher tre the best and bring the boaest folks in. that may be some sort of, you say me democrats on that. >> if you loo at the numbers in what'll, i find interesting not the approval number because we should accept the fact that donald trump base1 is going to st with him.

56% of democrats say this congressional election is more important than usual and 38% of republicansay that. who's going to bother t go to vote in the midterm elections, is people that think this election really matters to me t ant's an important number. >> though there is some in trump orbit thinks the threat of impeachment will motivate his >> we heard from nancyelosi speaking about impeachment should be a bipartisan thing. i am not sure what else democrats have that's going to motivate them show up at the polls. i understand why republicans are motivated to keep that agenda in place. what else is there to get democrats out? >> i think democraticle ership, and the disconnect, you know republicans, the republican base, david, wanted an aggressive party the go after

obama and clinton. the leadership were like we are always trying to hold back those that did in theparty. and they paid a trump and i am thinking all of these responsibl democratic leader that are impeachment caution, are these people andth base may say give me michael avenatti, i don't want your atsponsible guys. >> that's manager the democrats have to deal with. oen the republic on the republican side, they got what they wanted. a guy is g to shape it up. i hate to sayit and i know we are sitting on "meet the press" roundtab roundtable, 62% thinks it is biassed. and a as been a tact tool of the roger ailes created chamber. let's not pretend it is not anything than that. >> yes and no. the independence are part of donald trump's base.

i think that's very important. a lot of time we say republicans are donald trump's base. not really. >> it is a separate trump. it is a different version of the republican party. >> those independence also distrust the media. it is not just republicans. it is many americans. >> no, i take your point. >> it is a campaign tactic. >> it is wal-maorth to say to g away from politics. they're right, the founders did not impeachment to be a tool for what they referred to it is designed for treasonnd and high crime misdemeanor, i feel that there are a lot of people saying rather we mobilize him for 2020 rather than throwing him out now. >> all right, guys, that's all we have today. thank you for watching. all of youwe are keeping john mccain and his entire family in

our t we'll be back next week because if it is sunday, it is "meet the hress. i will leave you morning not with my words but with senator mccain's words. >>he world a fine place and worth fighting for and i hate very mucho leave it. i do too, i hate to leave nt, not have a claytompl one. i made a small place for myself in the story of america and the history of my times.