this sunday, historic flooding from hurricane florence. >> i've been here 20 years and this is the worst i have ever seen. >> hundreds without power. so many being rescued. >> i think people thought they could ride it out. they didn't realize how gh the river would come. the worst the yet thecome. plus, manortflips. president trump's one-time campaign chief pleads guilty and agrees to cooperation with robert mueller. >> mr. manafort has accepted responsibility.

>> candidate trump brought m nafort in to rescue his nomination. and praised him for not making a plea deal. >> this whole thing about flipping, they call it. it almost ought to be outlawed. >> what can manafort tellab prosecutort the trump tower meeting? what does he know about trump it's campaign connectio and could trump still pardon him. adam and schiff and allen dershowitz. wall street columnist and the host othe pbs news hour. welcome to sunday, it'sth "meet e press." good sunday morning, weave

two huge stories this morning, the floodingne from hurri florence, what fema calls a mike tyson punch to the carolina coast. and paul manafort's decision to plead guilty and w cooperateh the special counsel. but first, hurricane florence has weakened to a prom depressio -- tropical depression, rain continues to fall, up to 30 tinches in ncarolina, and the threat now is catastrophic flooding which may last more than a week more. $700,000 are without power, and tens of thousands are staying in shelters. d 13,000ense department personnel are supporting fema and 1,200 search and rescue personnel have been deployed. multisections of li-95 wil

closed. and rescues are still under way by air and aboat. an more than 450 residents have been rescued after more than 10 feet of storme. su >> i'm going back for her. i need help with this guy. hey, guys, can i have a littl help? >> it was horrifying, just wondering what's going on and where the water's going to go. >> i have lived here 20 years and it's the worst i have ever seen. >> joining menow is the mayor of new bern, north carolina good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> yesterday you announced on the city website that all water rescues has been completed. how out of the woods is new bern? how concerned are you about return floodin if you will? >> we're very concerned. a lot of the creeks around new bern are increasing by the hour, we have some folks that their inrds are stato get water because of the tremendous amount

of rainfall fromhe other eastern parts of north carolina that is coming in to new bern now by trent river, bryson's n creek,se river. >> what is it that residents need to prepa for? on one hand they think oh, all the ware reter rescues are dones is going to rerecede. are you worried about the water coming back? >> we're worried about the oiees that are to fall because of the saturated ground conditions. we are urging people to stay at home and not travel. we are a curfew in new bern, w0 have roads in but new bern that are still not passable. we have 40,000 homes in new bern that have been damaged. we hav over 0 buildings in newetr than that are damag berne

now we have had to go to the don town area and close it d because of the number of folks that are just wanting to get out and ride around. we'r t tryi get these power lines up. please, don't get in the way of the electrical linemen as they do their job. >> we have an speak to the people in washington, so i'm going to give you an opportunity what, do you need in terms of the federal response in new bern. >> president trump and i spoke yesterday and he immediatelyar de a declaration emergency, and governor cooper has given us those resources to get the recovery processes under way. we have 1,200 residents in

shelters right now. and so this time, again, the major concern is the power line restor restoration, getting the power back to our customers and keeping folks off of the streets so that we can restore the 'rpower. when y riding around, you're keeping somebody from getting their power back on.o please don't that. and anybody that wants to help, a lot of groups are coming in, the firemen's association, and tofferent groups are coming new bern so we're staging that as we speak. we have a big stagea are for 18 wheelers, we're working on a center inew bern, the omega center to drop off need and water and other things. >> sounds like you've got a pretty well coordinated response on the ground there mr. mayor. mr. mayor thank you for talking with us for a few minutes. i know you have to go n your response. joining me now is fema

administrator, brock long, mr. long, welcome back to "meet the press." >> how aredo you g, chuck? >> we know this is a water event, there's a lot of floodins es that you're dealing with. i know you anticipated catastrophic flooding, is i as anticipated? are there areas that are worse than epected? e there areas that are better thane xpected? >> the national hurricane center did a phenomenal job of letting people know ne advance of what was coming. and everything they have predicting, the storm sur , the ocean rising, the coastal flood inundation was rising, you saw the oceanise anywhere from 9 to 11 feet, causing a lot of damage along the coast, and i the back areas of the pamlico

sound. we're seeing damage as predicted, unfortunately. >>ighat is yourst need right now? what is theiggest needs dow there right now? >> right now we're focused on life safety searc and rescue. our urban search an rescue teams, we prepositioned 1,300 peopleom the national guard, to local swift water rescues, they have performed several hundred evacuations and rescues in outlying areas. in light of what we're goeeing, we'rg do have to service deople in outlying areas that are surroby floodwaters and it's always a difficult life sustainment mission. people are in shelters, we need to make sure that we're meeting the demands and taking care of those people in the shelters. but right now, you've got a strong governor in governor

cooper, and we're meeting their demands. it will be ugly, but we'll get through it. recovery is always a very frustrating proposition when they have lost their livelihood, but we're going to be okay. >> obvusly it takes a little bit longer to start recovery efforts when you start with a flooding situation, that was what happened in houston with harvey. how long do youct ex this flooding event to hamper the biggest part of this disaster recovery? >> we have to wait for the hazardous elements of the storm to exit the area before we can send ur peoplein. we never want to put our own people in harm's way. the frustrating thing about flooding in north carolina, you have to wait for the flood to recede in order to go in and start rescue. you know, w have to do things

likeu figre out other logistical routes to get supplies in to impact others ohe coast. now that the threat is diminishing and moving inland. >> a reporter asked a simple question about what lessons were learned from puerto rico. >> sure. >> and the president went off and didn't accept the premise that there were lessons to bene lefrom puerto rico? were there lessons to be learned from puerto rico? >> i think the presint is ing taken out of context there. i have talked to the president every day this week and the department of homeland security. we a the thing about puerto rico, disaster response and recovery is aty whole commu team effort. you have to have anybody from neighbor helping neigor, like the cajun navy all the way up to the fedel government response. and i always say that emergency

management is like ahair with four legs. one leg represents the federal government, the other leg represents state and local government. another leg represent the private infrastructure. and the fourth leg is you the tizen. so any time there is one leg missin missing-- >> which leg was missing in puerto rico? >> let's face it, i'll be honest, fema was the only responder for many weeks going into puerto rico. here's what we're doing to change. th we're working with the governor and he like me just came into his job and gets hit with one of the most complex disasters. i work with the govern every day to say how do we build a stronger emergency management capability in the commonwealth and the local and state level. i have got the best of what puerto co's got to offer, i've

got teachers, doctors, engineers, helping toe prov a ore viable economic future going forward. >> the president has sent multiple tweets. the white house put out a five page backgrounder citing other death toll numbers other than the o that puerto rico has accepted. 2,970 people died from the impact of hurricane florence, according to to the puerto ricat govern does fema accept that number? >> the numbers are all over the ple. fema doesn't count this, and if youake what's going on with florence, the deaths that are verified by the local county corners, are the ones that we take. what we do our are funeral f benefi those who are eligible. those are some of the numbers you can put forward that can be

cross referenced with any other numbers that are out there. these guys work aroun the clock, one death is a death too many. >> why does it matter? why is the white house so concerned about 3,000eaths and another report that might have had it at 1,800 deaths. you havet said it doesmatter, but the white house believes it matt matters. why? >> the onet thing ab president trump is the one president who has had more happort fort goes on back here. he knows how hard these guys behindkde w in and day out in a very complex situation. the harvard study was done fferently than the george washington study or this study and that stthy. an numbers are all over the place. >> he s make him look bad. to do you believe any of these studies were done to make the president look bad? >> i don't think the stt ies -- i doy the studies were

done. i think what we're trying to do. in my opinion we have got to figure out why people died from direct deaths, which is the, wie water, the waves and buildings collapsing. and then there's indirect deaths. so the george washington study looks at what happened six months after the fact. htat happens, even in this event, you m see more deaths indirectly occur as time goes on because ople have heart attacks due to stress, they fall off their house trying to fix their roof. they die in car crashes because they went through an intersection because the stoplight are out. spousal abuse increases after a disaster. the president has been incredibly supportive of me and the staff. i think he's the only president who's held two cabinet level meetings to provide suppor they come through this agency

every day, he's very supportive. which isxactly what fema needs, there's too much blame going around and we need to be focused, chuck, on what is puerto rico going to look like tomorrow. >> final question, "wall street journal" headline, a bit disconcerning for you, saying that the white house considered replacing you as before hurricane florence hit having to do with your use of travel bacca home to nortlina. were you aware of this investigation? are you correspenoperating? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. let me go ahead and clear all off of the. secretary neilson has never asked me to resign, we have a very functional relationship, we talk every day, we are both focused on florence. so let's put some context on this, the fema position is incredibly complex, you do not want to change jobs with me. these vehicles were prepared to

reflect -- i have an important role to make sure that this government works on se natio worst day. s are designed to p s ar provide security communications. the program was designedn back 2008. and it's my understanding that maybe some policies were not surrounded by these vehicles that question will get up and pushed forward. >> you have no plans to resign? >> mno, here to serve my country every day, that's all i do. when it's over, i'm ready to go back home and love my family. >> i know you have to get back to work, director long, thanks for coming on and answering my questions. if youwa to help the people who were hit by hurricane florence, here are four organizations we are endorsing,

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improving efficiency is what we do best. energy lives here. will b >> welcome back. paul manafort has countless connections that mueller can probe. for inst ace he can asout the infamous trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer who said shet had dir on hillary clinton, why? because manafort was in the room when it happened. and th there's derapaska. there's constantine klimnik agent.a long time russia

and then there's the mysterious gutting of a anplatform. of course there's manafort's first partner in politics,oger stones, who appears to have talked to wikileaks about leaked mai emails. congressman schiff, welcome pck to "meet tss." manafort is cooperating, if you have a chance to ask him questions, what are the first series of questions you want to assume and what mr. mller wants. >> you've got your esident's son trying to get dirtn i donald trump tower. you've got manafort trying to get money from this russian oligarch, trying to get made whole. you have the russians who want to have a relationship with the trump campaign, they want to

help trump get elected. all those interests converge with paul manafort. so basically we want to know what can manafort tell whether any of that was consummated. he's trying to get money, they're tryi to get dir the russians are trying to help donald trump, was there a meeting of the minds? so that goes to the heart of the collusion or conspiracy issue. >> is it possible thatlith this circumstantial evidence, it really is just a bunch of coincidences, that paul manafort, in a desperate move, nald trump was afraid of the ted cruz at the convention, stealing the nomination, he's told to hire the manafort guy and doesn't do aackground check. what's the likelihood of that based och d on your investigati? >> manafort ishe one to help us whether this is the most unprobable string of coincidences or whether this was

an active conspiracy. what does manafort know, whill e tell mueller anything that he doesn't already know? anything about mknow the deal that manafort cut? >> this sends a message to anybody that's -- the longer you wait to come clean, the deal, you ore going to face. this obviated the need for a g trial, whies mueller more time to focus on other things. it gives a key corroborating witness who has already seen

what happens when you mess with bober mue he tried to tamper with witnesses, he got caught, he went to jail, he better come clean. >> he's been convicted in one court oflaw, he has witness tampered as you just brought up. why should mller believe paul manafort. paul manafort seems like he will say anything he can to get out of jam. how do we know that manafort is not somebody who will tell whoever is listening at that moment to get him out of a jam? >> manafort is corrupt. manafort is basically the swamp. but also flynn and also gates, and all of these peopl and cohen, if cohen cooperates, all of these folks have pled guilty to lying and fraud,ll they're tainted witnesses, and so as a prosecutor, you only rely on them to the extent you can corroborate them. but often you can, if paul

manafort says i spoke to donald trump about the donald trump tower mee i did it at this particular time in this particular phone call and you go to the phone records and you fi r those phoneords that corroborates those statements, so you're not going to relyth o word alone, but you're going to rely on it when you cane corrobor it. >> rudy giuliani, the present's lawyer has said th manafort is not disqualified pardon. rudy giuliani also confirmed that manafort's legal team and the president's legal team had a sharing agreement of sorts. what do you make of the pardon of rudy giuliani still dangling the idea of a pardon out there? >> clearly the trump team is terrified about what manafort has to say. >> so you think is is fear o manafort? >> absolutely. they have to know that he may not have told them the full

truth. and so they're terrified of what he has to say. i thought held would ut for a pardon, but i think two things, one of the brilliant parts of the mueller team is, is getting all these people to admit to state and federal crimes. even if you get pardone by nald trump. he gets prosecuted by numerous states, he goes away for a long time anyway. but paul manafortad to see watching the whole cohen saga, that loyalty to trump runs in only one direction. you're loyal to him, he's not loyal to you. >> one thing mueller has done is surfaced a lot of, i think, dirty and weird stuff that happens on k-street with the

loying community. what is congress actually going to do to try to actually clean up the swamp? because they haven't done anything. you guys have threatened this for decades. >> i think this is going to be a core part of the democratic agenda if we'reble to take over the house, which seems increasingly likely. >> you didn't get anything last time. what did we get? >> if we don't, won't stay in the majority, and we need to stay in the majority. >> because you failed the lame >> we need to do the oversight, we need to do the oversight that this congress has completely abdictated responsibili, we took the opportunity for to clean up, to crack youp. it's not john accomplish unacco. donald trump said he was going to drain the swamp and the only

person who's draining t is mueller. and we have to make sure there's noof obstructiojustice. >> money and alligators always find a way in a swamp. >> downing me now is professor emeritus, he's author of a new book, "the case against impeaching trump." diu think that the deal that paul manafort got is a good thing. >> i think both mana fort and president trump acted too late, manafort, if he was going to make a deal, should have made it before he was convicted, he would have gotten a better deal. dod president trump, if he was going to p he should have pardoned before manafort agreed

to cooperate so there's not going to be any pardon now, manafort has a de his sentence will reflect how much cooperation he gives. theris always the risk, you know, a man like manafort has to walk a tight rope if he's caught lying, the deal is offer. on the other hand he knows he gets a bettereal if he can help support the narrative of the prosecutor. so we may see, andthere's always the risk of that, and in the lis said that first manafort case, some people like this they not only sing, they compose, that is they elaborate a little bit, they remember things a littleheetter than occurred. and that's the risk to justice that could occurre >> rudy giuliani seems to think a couple things, number one, he says let me play a bite for you from him on friday night, because he seems to tink that this deal isn't as bad for them as others believe. here it eais. >> ithe reality is, there was a quote put out by a source close to manafort that the plea

agreement has and the cooperation threement has g to do with the trump campaign, quote, there is no of collusion. now i know that, because i have been privyf to a lot o facts i can't repeat. but the reality is, no evidence of collusion. >> even yesterday, rudy giuliani continued to say, according to sources close to manafort's defense, that this cooperation agreement does not involve the trump mpaign. first of all, what is rudy giuliani referring o? is this something he may have learned during the joint -- because they have a joint defensemegreement of sort? >> the joint defense agreement has to be over this point if he's cooperating. andgr csman schiff correctly pointed out, you can't control what you ave. manafort is on one side, he says one thing,on thether side he says something else. i didn't know how you can say the deal is limited.

the deal as inderstand it is that manafort will cooperate with anything that the special counsel asks about. there are no limits. this wasn't a deal th we're only going to talk about so-and-so, but we're not goung to talk trump or the trump tower meeting, obviously one of the first questions they're going to a him, is did donald trump's son know about the subject of the meeting before ii occurrorder to put pressure on donald trump jr. in order to put pressure on president trump. so, look, i understand why rudy giuliani, who's aer good la wants to put this in the most positive light. buythis was a verbad day for the trump administration. it's bad because he doesn't kno what manafort is saying and he can't count on manafort saying only things that the special coun counsel already knows, and when you don't know what a corroborating witness will say it's a bad day for you because you're vulnerable and exposed. >> so you wouldn't put any

credence in the deal thatrudy giuliani manafort's defense team, you wouldn't put any stock into any of th assurances they might have felt from the manafort team hfore he cut deal? >> well, i would use that informion, if he ever testified to cross-examinatite y testified in cross-examination. he would have told the trump team to under cut his credibility, he says something different, if he's lying now, was he lying then, that kind of argument. >> are you concerned now that paul manafort could say that promised pardon was hinted at. or the pardon was dangled during the joint defense agreement? >> i doubt that. i thinkhe president was pretty care in what he said and how he said and ws said in public.

so i don't think that's a real concern. i think the concern is putting together information that theor prosec knows about but can't connect. we have to remember again, that coll is not a crime, conspiracy is a crime, but conspiracy requires knowledge. and it's also possible that manafort was always acting on his own, to make more money. he was t using theump campaign, saying i'll make introductions, i'll help you, but that the .rump campaign didn't really know about th that's a likely explanation, beyond the series of coincidences. eg do you think the president has the team me needs to take on mueller it seems like mueller has yet to lose. >> muell has a tremendous advantage, as adam schiff alluded to that a special counsel will come after you

prosecutors have concerned about flipped witnesses for many, many years, prosecutors have too much power to flip witnesses and use their testimony. prosecutors have all that much power, all defense attorneys realize at. >> but do you believe the president has the best defense team he needs right now? >> you know, never want to comment on other people's defense teams, everybody would do it differently, rudy giuliani, i have known him for 30 years, i've been against him, i've been on the same side. he's an exthe recoraordinarilyad guy, jay sekulow is a brilliant lawyer. there are several on the team, i will not be among them, but there will be other lawyers and teams tend to grow and shrink when you have aas complicated like this. but they're up against a very difficult oblem, when you have a prosecutor who can give deals, make deals, it's very difficult.

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the pbs news hour, "wall street journal" political analyst. and author of a brand-new book, "leadership in turbulent times" and editor of national review. all right, we're going to focus on manafort and that development. rudy giuliani put out a stat.ent from the preside he actually put out two statements. here's the first one i want to show. once again an investigation has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with president trump or the trump cahepaign, reason the president did nothing wrong and paulil manafort tell the truth. and the paul manafort will tell the truth was not included. you don't think that was an accident? >> i ds 't think ts an accident. remember, rudy giuliani is someone who was hired really to work with the press and be this personho's is spokesperson for the legal team. so you have the idea they're very worried abo what paul

manafort might say, and paul mafort has thiseal that he will talk about anything that the government said, so if he tells the truth, that cannot just go to obstruction of justice or the russia llusion, but goes to the financials. the fact that the president and paul manafort had some sort of financial dealings that get in trouble is almost a bigger story sometimes than the russian collusion. becae i get sense in talking to rudy giuliani they're a lot worried about. how about you? >> i think it's makes sense on both sides, obviously pauls manafort not going to improve his situation any in a second and mueller is not going to gain anything by making it bounce while manafort is in prison. the question is what does ma manafort know?e what can certainly help mueller with is how these very

nef farrov nefarious russian operates operation. manafort was replaced long before the election took place. he was with the campaign for a very short period of time. literally, f, like, what a couple of months? a little period of time. manafort has nothing to with our campaign. >> but a month ago, this is what he was saying about manafort. >> i think the whole manafort thing is very, very sad, he'sry ood person. i have immense respect for him for what 's gone through. >> you would have expected the worst. >> yeah, i suppose there is a greater fear now of what paul manafo manafort, whwas there, who was present at the creation of the trump phenomenon, you know, he a the campaign, he was

significant player for a while. what he knowsps is per not fully known by the white house. the president would be nervous, i have wondered as i think we have all, suggest if collusion is not the most interesting hquestion e, if maybe thek nexxus of street lobbying, law firms, pr strategy rms, what they will do with the money of foreign na fonals andeign governments, manafort has talked about that since he helped invent that rule. he was present at the creation ere. that cou of not only be interesting but be maybe a public service and maybe give something of a platform on which ngress can finally move, as he mentioned. >> what do you see init? the president seems to be --

they seem to be nervous enough about man afort that they don't want to throw hime under bus. >> loyalty is a one-way street for him. none of the people who are in trouble now can depend on him. and when you think about what matters when you're a leader of a team. you have to create a team that's loyal to the job and not to themselves. and when teddy roosevelt came in, he sa you can't keep those people are, they won't be loyal to you, lehe said they don't ha to be lal tome, they need to be loyal to the job. the greatest leaders build a team. it seems that this team, everybody's out for themselves. s and nobody's out for the countrnt >> the presis starting to think about his own survival.it eems like that's always how he's thinking. >> it's hard to know because you look at those statements and i think essentially for a lot of

people that trump is actin out of cognizant of guilty. he's going to say things about the guy who's being nailed to the wal in this investigation whether lthe's gas sin or not. >> trump has aor hi of being -- >> he has a sense of being isolat and feeling very wronged about this. he feels like his credibility has -- the you think about the people that have there's pan manafort, there's rick gaetzted gates flynn. >> those are also peop that he

thought had his back. there's reporting that david pecker had his secrets in a safe -- at "the national the president has to be thinking that if all of these people are talkg and paul manafort is just another name on the long list of people, what a story they can tell. >> the naturer of litics today, we're constantly talking about people fpping and going jail, we should be talking about the >> i think perhaps with the president and all of these people who have been indicted or have come under questioning. is that he may not have any deep insight into their nature because he didn't really know so he almost can't judge where they're going next, the people ound trump duringe campaign were an island of brokenys they were individual operatives, their driven by thnar own drama. trump couldn't get

anybody else, he couldn't get the grown ups to join and he g what he got. >> for what it's worth, trump's always built his worlds that way, it's not just in politics, he sort of ends up with everybody with their own agendas and he ends up clashing. and he ends up clashing. >> we're going to pause here at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. & so this won't happen.

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back now with "end game." all rit, we have doris kearns goodwin, we ha a new book by ing and we have a si president. and want to relive puerto rico, and this seemed as good way to kick off this conversation. two things i want pull out and see if you'll apply them to today. one is stories versus facts. you write lyndon johnson and abraham lincoln and franklinkn roosevelt ow that people were more easily influenced by stories than in other way. >> i think what happened here in the whole hurricane situation, is that what you wantas a president is to gain control of

the narrative. and by losing histemper, because he got angry at new signs of maria that were on the television again, and the criticisms of how well he did, he lashes out at the figures of how many people have died, so that becomes the story instead of florence, in preparing for florence. suppose he had gone onthe air and said i made mistakes during maria. like when president kennedy acknowledged the bay of pigs and said we made a mistake. and as a result he los the mo important thing for a leader in a time of crisis is to ehibit empathy toward the people who are being hurt and to talk to those people athis timeho are still being hurt in puerto rico about how many people died versus how many plost people, their families, they have lost their wherewithal.

it doesn't make any sense, that ambition was to relitigate the story, he thinks if you tweet about it many times, it will become true. >> you quotelincoln in the book. and i know people are saying, doris quotesol li you quote lincoln and he says with public sentiment nothing ca fail, without it nothing can succeed. >> that's what we have to think about today to bt. hon when we just argue about president trump and what's going on, we have to look at ourselve and say what was our voting system like. we as citizens have responsibility for what happens trp. if we can change public sentiment, we can change anything we want. >> there's a problem president trump created for republicans running in the state offl rida, rick scott said i disagree with

e tus and with the way haid thousands of lives were lost, this is the political problem he's now eated. >> a rick scott has been to puerto rico multiple timings he's outperforming what democrats are done in flida. the president would benefit from the insight that not everything isbout him. a category 4 storm devastate an island, it wiped out the grids, it wiped out the roads, it wiped out any telecommunications, and i think the fema response has been massive and enduring and ongoing, it's just hard to have everything snap back immediatel in fact it's impossible to do that. >> it i think both of you have said something, it's the word empathy. it's this idea that the president is expected to feel bafor people and expected to exhibit that and expected to be

this consoler in chief. and it's something that p has not been able to carry forward. he's saying dead people aren't dead and hs trafficking in this conspiracy theory that he's done throughout his le and it's starting to spread throughout the governmen because you have brock long saying the numbers are all over the place, the numbers aren't all over the place, more than 3,0 people died. and it's hard to say that people who died in katrina in the superdome after katrin that they didn't die during the hurricane if they were waiting for medical help. if you died because you didn't have power and your grandmother didn't have power to breathe, she died because of the hurricane. it's heart breaking when you hear the personal stories that you' heard from katrina and maria. >> unseemly,oñ when we are debating body counts.

don't be politicizinnumber who died. don't be doing that, don't be arguing and twitting about it. unseemly for a president. just go try to help puerto rico little bit more, just go try to help north carolina a little bit more. i have rarely seen the president try to be above it. >> but how could a person who's prt not have that as a natural reaction, if you were either born with empathy, or you develop it through experience and you learn about other you care ives and about him. >> he has many reactions that are not the normal presidential reaction. >> i think will be the tifinal word and a riddle we have yet to solve. tickets are now available for our second annual "meet the press" film festival. it takes place on october 8 right here in washington. tickets available right now, nbc news.com/mtpfilm. we'll be back nexte eek beca if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."