>> this sunday, supreme battle. brett kavanaugh's nomination in jeopardy over an accusation he sexually assaulted a girl when he was a teenager. republicans are divided. >> i would think if the incident occurred as she described it that would be disqualified. >> don't get rattled by all of this. we'll plow right through it and do our job. >> but president trump is standing by his man. >> he is a nefine, person. >> and now there's an apparent agreement for kavanaugh's cuser, christine blasey ford to testify before the senate judiciary committee onmy thursd. uests this morning, repuican senator david purdue of georgia and democratic senator patty murray of washington state. plus how serious would deputy

attorney general rod rosenstein about secretly recording president trump any trying to remove him from office? and does this give there presidt ammunition in his fight with robert mueller? >> there's a lingering stench and we'rgoing to getrid of that, too. >> also my sitdown with secretary of state mike mpeo. >> the north koreans been honest about their nuclear program? >> finally, our brannew nbc news/wall street journal poll on president trump and the battle for control of congress. joining me insight and analysis are chris matthew, host of "hardball" on msnbc. helene cooper, pen correspondent for the new york times. >> andeliana johnson, for politico. welcome to sunday.ee it's "the the press". >> from nbc news inin waon chlt the longest nninru shogw i "meet thepress "" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. it was in 1991 when clarence

thomas' path to confirmation was interrupted by aita hill with sexual harassment in the workplace. helping to usher in 1992'she ye ofoman at the ballot box. as "time" magazine illustrated, the specter of the thomas-hill hearing now hang over supreme court nominee brettw kavanaugh. ristine blasey accus accused him of sexually assaulting her at a party. >> she tentatively agreed that she would testify on thursday. thhe're still working out details for what could be one of those nation stop what you're events and watch. of note, as ofst l night, four people that ford had said were at the party with her including kavanaugh have said ey have no recollection of being there. the kavanaugh nomination is issue one for consertive and evangelicals and there is fear that if kavanaugh goes down republics candida could play

a steeper price in november than they're already facing whichs brings u to our nbc news/wall street journal poll this morning. our poll found among registered voters they prefer democrats byg a whop2 points, 52-40 and of ou're a close follower the nbc news/wall streetou the significant margin and last month th margin was eight points and by the way, a month before that it was sixs. poi as for president trump, his numbers are remarkably steady. 52% of registered voters disapprove of his performance and 44% approve. it's exactly whe he was last month, 52-44. as one of our pollsters put it, rsthese num are, quote, beyond weak for republicans and americans are trying to sen a signal that they're not satisfied with the way things are going in washington and all of which helps explain how they're watch kg thevanaugh story with one eye on his prospects and the other on their

own in november. >> brettan kavanaugh,stic man. he was born for the u.s. supreme court. he was born for it, and it's going to happen. >> reporter: with judge brett kavanaugh's confirmation hanginn he balance. >> do you have any response to christine ford? >> mr. trump abandoned his te uncharstic restraint tweeting, i have no doubt that if the attack on dr. ford was as bad as she says, chargersould have been brought by her or her loving parents. republican susan collins, a crucial swing vote fired back. >> i was appalled by the president's tweet. >> california professor christine blasey ford alleges that kavanaugh sexually assaulted her at a hous in the early 1980s telling "the washington post," he pinned her to a bed, groped her and tried to pull off her clothing.

when she tried to scream he put his hand over her mouth. >> she clearly believes this was an attempted rape and were it not for the sere intoxication of brett kavanaugh sheould have been raped. >> kavanaugh has deni the allegations saying i have done anything like what the accuser describes to her or to anyone. >> and senate republicans are prsing forward with the nomination. >> don't get rattled by all of this. we're going to plow right through it and do our job. >> mcconnell does not yet have the votes. >> by the way, there are, like, seven of us that are undecided. it's not just me. ivately, many republicans worry theparty's push to put kavanaugh on t court could come at a steep, political cost. in the nbcne/wall street journal poll, opposition to kavanaugh is growing among suburban women, women over 50 and independents. 1992 became the year of the woman. wave of democratic women wonft office anita hill's

grilling on capito hill. >> there's still a lot of holes in the testimony. >> now some republicans worry itself.is repeating >> i think this woman, whoever she iss mixed up. >> on ifry, the #whyididn'trepnut became the mber one trending topic on twitter and already some republican candidates are stumbling. >> ruth bader ginsburg came out that she was groped by abraham lincoln. >> these are teenagers who drunk according to her own statement, they were drunk and nothing evidently happened in it all even by her own accusation. again, it was supposedly an attempt or something that never went anywhere. >> joining me now is republican senator david purdue of senator purdue, welcome back to "meet thesi press," . >> good morning, chuck. let me start with a basic question here. wh do youope to learn from hursday's hearing of judge

kavanaugh and dr. ford? >> first of all, i think senator grassley has done a great job of trying to accommodate dr. ford in getting this new information before the committee. i hope that we will get to the truth, and i think that's what the person people deserve and that what we're trying to do this week. i hope that both judge kavanaugh is dr. ford get an open hearing. i fully expect that this week. >> how are you going to decide who is telling the tru if it really is the testimony of dr. ford, the testimony of judge kavanaugh. we don't havanything else to work with here. how will youtermine credibility in your mind. >> you do have other information. you have four other people that claim they have no recollection of t event but what i've done in a situation like this and look at it in a holist being manner and look at the pattern over time and the look gat the

peoping that information and their own personal credibility and that's what we will do hopefully as we get this information before us. is there anything dr. ford could say that would change your mind about supporting judgeug kava >> look, these are serious allegati s. i hope. ford can be put in a comfortable situation where she can provide the information. this is a democracy. we have asy judicialem and we also have innocent until proven guilty and so my view is thatwe need to hear from both parties and make sure that we do it in a time manner. we've already waited three months to get this information since e information was ovided to senator feinstein and it's time to get this hearing and bring it bere the american people. >> it's interesting you bring up innocent until proven ilty. this is the standard, this is about a lifetime appointment on e supreme court. this is about someone who has to decide the constitutionality of laws that impact all of americans. do you think the burden of proof

in some ways, ghould be or lower when you consider the jobhat judgeavanaugh is interviewing for? >> i think the burden here, chuck, is to find the just like it is in any courtroom in our land and that's what we're abouto do. we've had people -- this man has had six f investigations. this isn't the first time he's been fully vetted. >> not one-on-one specific charge. do you think at this point, though, you would want at least the comfort of the fbi havinged lonto this even if it's for a ten-day period at this point? >> they've done that. their job is not toetermine who is telling the truth, but to make sure the issue is brought before the body looking it and that's the judiciary committee at thisoint. this information was made public through senator feinstein. l the way k at it is the fbi has done it. sheir role in this case is not to determine who telling the truth and it's to make sure that

the senate has the information. >> you don't think there is an additional investigation toas a establish that the party happened and establish some more facts, have an f agent interview, perhaps some of the dr. ford saysh were at that house party? >> part of what the f is supposed to do is to make sure that they determine that this is an issue and toake surehat they bring it before the committee we've had precedence on this before a in this case they've done their duty and right now the only people who ll determine who is telling the truth in this issue are the united states senators >> were you in the private sector before you joined politics and you ran fortune 500 companies. and i have no doubt you faced similar issues perhaps inad ship. how did you handle those? how did you determine truth? sometimes it is an allegation and a person that you may think they're telle truth, but they can no longer manage their -- they can no longer

fulfill their duties in their job becauselo maybe they'v credibility, fair or not. how would you handle a situation like that and how did you handle it in the private sector? >> i did have situations like this. as far as 30 years ago we paarted having training programs inside our ces to make sure that people's individual rights were protect and the so forth, but when we had situations ofik allegations this we primarily made sure that the informati, as best we can determine, was presented peopl making the decision. you look at the credibilityivf the peopleg the information and the pattern of behavior and you take a holistic view of thi to get to a heart-level, gut-level determination about who is teing the truth and that's what will happen in each one of the senator's cases as tey listen to the information this coming week. >> i fully expect we'll get to a decision this week and move on, chuck. >> does publicerpinion mat to you if more people oppose his nomination or more people don't

believe him. should that factor into your decion making on this? >> there are two issues there. first of all, i don't put a lot of confidence in these these are the same polls that had me losing by as much as in my race three or four years ago and we won by more than eight pots and had trump losing. so i'm not sure these polls clearly reflect the opinion of the american people. i believe right n the information that the american people are getting is somewhat limited because it's comiro h this central media in washington and not all of this has come out yet. we will get all of the information intehe se this week, hopefully. we'll hear from both sides and we'll take that into consideration and we'll make our adjudication. >> are things being rushed a little bit because of the november election deaine? i ask that because i know you have said we want to move on, with thiand we are in day 75 of the nomination and i want to put up a chart of the current mbers of the supreme court and

three of them went on longer, alito, elena kagan. >> if you whal cite statistic, you ought to cite the fact that ginsburg was confirmed 42 days and got 96 votes. >> that was up on my chashtrt a well and we have three members in the court that took longer and we're not an unusual hetuation. >>'s no timetable. we are in a situation where wemilar allegation made. if we don't have all of the information this week i have to l confidenceat senator grassley will take his time and neke sure we get all of the information we . there is no rush to judgment. i think any objective pers, chuck, looking at the way senator grassley has handled this, they will walk away thinking that he has done everything he can t make sure that this information comes before the senate and that this person is treated with all of the respect she is due.

>> senator, purd will leave it there for now. senator, republican from nk georgia, tou for coming on and sharing your views. >> thanks, chuck. >> joining me now with anotr perspective is patty murray from washington state. senator rray, welcome to "meet the press". >> great to be here, chuck. >> i remember covering your race and it wasthe reason you stated for running was your reaction to the anita ll hearings and i remember a lot of people didn't give you much of a chance you've now been a united states senator since 1992. >> correct. >> you said this about the republicans 27 years later that the judiciary committee is leading us down the exacet s place and an even worse one. how do you think worse? things nk one of the that i remember from the anita hill hearings was the way she was treated by united states senator, that she was presumed that she was lying, that it was a fantasy, that she was making it up. esat's how the questions came from the united st senators and she was never given a full

opportunity to be belied from the start. i sense that again, as i hear a number of the comments, the majoriyi leader we're going to plow right through it as if it was a petty thing. we have to deal with this hiccup. that kind of conveation is exactly what leads to many people in this country, women and men saying they don't get it. n particular in the me too movement. they have to speak out and it doesn't have to be a hidden thing in the past and they have to not tell anybody. the message that it's a hiccup or we're going to plow through rhis is exactly what they don't want to h today. >> it's interesting that you word it that way because i'm curious of your reaction of this tv ad that's being run by demand justice which i o a groupthe left that is opposing judge kavanaugh. i want to play for you this ad because it presumes him guilty and i want to play it for you and see what you think of this.a

a look. >> when 15-year-old christine he tried to screaattacker covered her mouth so no one could hear her. will susan collins listen to her now? i play it w becaus what you just described was presuming her not to beelling the truth. this is presuming him to already be guilty. it seems as if we're in a bad situation no matter your point of view. >> here's how i see it. for a very long me, in the history of this country when women spoke out about allegations of sexual assault or abuse, they were presumed to be making it up or culturally not talking or told to be quiet. so i thinkta it is very imp in this time and this day that we recognize when women speak out that we should presume that they are look, if someone says my car got stolen, you don't presume they'r lying. right. >> if someone says i was sexually abused people today

sometimes presume that they're making it up, that they're whatever. t should be a presumption of innocence andn have a fair process to go through to determine the truth. >> do you think a hearing where it's really his wor her word. we're not going to have anything else and there's not going to be an fbi investigation. that's a tough -- same question i asked of senatorure. you're a human being, and how do you determine who is telling the truth and it's going to be your own gut. >> the senate repuicans have now set this up and that is what we're going have. do you believe her or do you believe him? that is exactly why we have be pressing for an fbi investigation that should only take a few day, so there are other facts out there and there are other witnesses. in fact, i havesaid many times that the anita hill hearing was a disaster andhey did have an fbi investigation and theyhaid other witnesses and other ways to judge this. the senate republicansave

predetermined the outcome that this is a he said she says by taking that away. >> this was ieresting, but anita hill wrote the following on wednesday and she hadgg tion for the judiciary committee. she wrote, the public expts tter from the government from the that they still lack protocol for vetting the sexual harassment and the confirmation hearing suggests that the committee hasearned little from the thomas hearing much less the more recent me too movement. it is what she's suggesting. there is no protocol, right, on the judiciary committee. is there a protocol of -- you guys deal with a lot of advice and consent when it comes to nominees. when there is an allegation like this, is there any protocol in the senate like is? >> clear not, and this is what i've been saying since the beginning of this a wowk ago is that the senate congress failed the test in 1991 with anita hill that they can deal with this kind of allegation and

they have to be able to deal with this kind of allegation if e going to be putting people on the highest court of the land and herey.e are to how the senate handles this and handle this p reps will be a test of this time, of 2018n the me too movement. can we do better and i fear we are failing that if we don't do it coectly. >> i there is no fbi investigation i want to show you somethldg that s whitehouse said to me and a warning he had for republicans. take a listen. >>sooner or later, mark my word, there will be an investigat it may be in the subsequent congress, but you can't get away with having something like this take place. > and i followed up with him and he said yes, if there is a democratic senate that maybe this needs t be taken u again if this doesn't feel fully investigated and he's on the court, do you support something like that? >> i understand there could be allegations filed in maryland

still on thisif he was on the court. so it's important that we get this right, and i am >> does this affect his current judgeship? >> his current judgeship? >> i don't know. i don't know then'acts and i know the end of this and certainly that is something that is possible, but i don't know alat's whyl w e want this done w right, but here' what do know, if the senate plows through this, if it's a hiccup, if they don't do it right,wi the be a tremendous backlash again. i was in the airport yesterday and aoman came up to me, an older woman and she said i was told 40 ye ago when this happened to me d't say anything by my parents. what a horrible message to ung girls today. what a horrible message to young men today that they can get away wi this. let's get this right. >> would we be in this situation? this sort of point where it feels like we are so divided if the filibuster were still around. >>ertainly, what the

filibuster did with a supreme court nominee forward, that there had to be more of a consensus, that we would have -- >> i would. and it would mean that we would have people on the highest court of this nd that needed to have more -- >> democrats get the majority back and will you advocate for change. >> that's a really good question and one that philosophically i agree with, but i will tell you what, what if we did? what if the democrats put the filibuster back in and turned around and they got the majority and took it away. we have ask that questi and that to me is extremely troubling. >> welcome to theractured democracy. the other washington as you guys heways like to remind us in that way. >> we come back, this week's supreme court testimony, the republicans and what it all could mean for their majorities ♪

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"hardball," on msnbc and author of "bobby kennedy," eliana johnson for politico and jonah >>ldberg, editor at national review. that's right. >> let me begin. there it is. there itgs because we're do it right now, everybody. let me, i think, caitlin flanaganat at thentic and david at the national review set up the conversation pretty well for us. let me read you from the atlantic. the least we can dos put this confirmation on hold and if not true, kavanaugh should be approved without suspicion. my own inclination is no. here's david french. if there isn't any cooperation or external idence outsideof christine ford's three decades-old recollections, that's not enough for derailing the jurist no matter how fiercely they're believed.

what's going to be the standard of believability? where are we? >> i think it's tremendously difficult. you have partisans on left cluding a democratic senator saying we must believe the testimony of the woman and it is anti-woman to challenge the accusations andhe partisans on right throwing out the names of thr potential assailants without much proof, but what i thin the difficult position justice kavanaugh or judge kavanaugh, excuse me, providian, sl is being put in is that in the current climate it is if tremendouslycult for him to defend himself without being acof being anti-woman, and he, i think, does need t be able to offer a defense. >> how are we going to resolve whether who is believed here? >> i'm sure that we are. i do think the preponderance of the evidence that we have which is almost entirelyum ciantial, witness testimony and the like is in

judge kavanaugh's favor. the four peopl alleged to be here all say they not only di not know about the attack, which was understandable because i was done in secret. they don't know about the party. one person who is a friend of ford's doesn't even say she knows kvanaugh. >> she did say she believes ford, but yes, you're right. >>ne thing that's difficult on the right and left to get their heads around is even if what dr. ford is saying is true, at least as far a ss shes it, the long-term precedent that we may beetng, that says you can issue a not under oath allegation witno other corroboration for it and destroy a man's or a candidate, nominee's character and reputation to destroy a nomination, that is a problem for both parties and for this the leftand everyone o is saying that the blocking of the mayor justifies anything that the democrats do.

you'll have republicans for a generation saying the destruction of brett kanaugh justifies what they do and everything will get worse. >> chris? >> let's start with the basics. re. ford has the right to petition co. it's in the constitution. you have a right -- she had a ght to bring her complaint and bring her information. number two, didn't she also have ansibility? if she has this recollection and sheold her husband if they were getting married and she went to counseling and that was the earli establishment of her recollection among other people. ifant happened i believe it did happen from her recollection shouldn't she have brought it forward? imagine if she'd had this experience and this themry andny never tolddy about it and this guy became supreme court justice, was that a responsibility respobility i responsibiliblrespon

s citizen. kavanaugh at that party is a total denial and it's a good lawyer position and i've never done anything like that or near that person. these guys rammed me into a room and corrallede was the term, threw me on the bed. when i tried to cry for help, vered my mouth. this does sound like assault. this isn't romancing or a drunken romancing, it's just assault, and ifbr she hadn't ght that to the public, i think that would ha been a failure of her citizenship. >> the very nature of this sort of thing always ends up being ha or she said. that's why it's so hard, but it also is --t also is so incredibly difficult for a to come forward and say that i have been sexually assaulted for the very reasons that we e what dr. ford are go -- is going through right now, that i sort

of do agree with senator murray that you -- youn,we these wo i think, the presumption of innocence or at least to assthe they're telling the truth, they're not making this up which means that it is the senate's obligation to take this seriously and to do a lot betten job t they did with anita hill hearing. i went back and i think a lot of us this past week went back and looked at he anita hill hearing and i was reminded again of why i wasongry which is why i think that -- whentr president p came out and said why didn't they call the police? this to t she repor her loving parents and why didn't they report this. it is so appallg. >> i completely disagree with that, i'm sorry, in terms of the crucial point. >> women who come forward and t ma accusations, they deserve to be heard and takenri

sly and senator murray sayse never doubt anybody when stole says my car was and that was a good line. we give the presumption whenk i say chodd stole my car. you have to prove that and if we're going say that as women as a class will always be believed no matter what, and democrats have to deal with chris el sson we arehrowing out a thousand years of a law that says we are throwing o the accused. >> if mitch mconnell thought the republicans would be holding the senate would he push through kavanaugh and say give me someone more confirmable? >> i agree with you that bothrt s are acting politically. democrats are clearly pushing delay tactics, it's obvious and reblicans want to confirm him before the election. >> they fear novemb. >> absolutely. it's patently obvious and they're using this woman who has

come forward and is going through an excruciating emotional tr pl foritical ends and i agree with jonah, and i do find it somewhat insulting to women that they have to beo presumed telling the truth and acting in good faith that their accusations and they're presumed not to be able to back up their accusations with the evidence. >> they're bacng up an accusation for something that took place 40 years ago. that's impossible and the idea that you're going to go and i can't remember parties they went to 40 years ago. none of us can, but she is so -- because h more sen she's the one who was sexually assaulted. >> there's a big linewh between jonah said is you don't accept this absolu fact, but there's something in the republican conversation last eek that was different than that. there's sort of an i love lucy in thinking of women and the way they're portrayed by it. plow through it, no, it's a

i like the way nikki haley, when d she e called her confu said i don't get confused. i think the fact that women are confused or mistaken is really a problem r the republicans. >> the idea that women can't back up their claims or that their claims can't stand some sun light is insulting. >> and this is why thursday is going to be an impossible moment for this country and our politics. i just fully believe that, unfortunately, left or right. >> when we come back, my sitdown with secrery of state mike pompeo, we discuss north korea, pompeo, we discuss north korea, iran and syria, ♪ the kenya tea development agency is an organization that is owned by tea farmers. thevery week we sell this tea,cy wetset paid in multiple ac

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isa few ally complained about the potential declassification of these fisa documents that have to do potentially with carter page. what more c you say? i assume it's the five eye, s, uk and that group of nations that are trying to keep us from king this stuff public? >> chuck, i can't add much more to that other tha to say this, in my previous role as cia director and now as secretary of state we are committed to making sure that wein classify rmation properly. we try to get information out that shouldn't be classified. it's a historic problem in the united states government and second, we will always make sure that we protect our sources and erthods and information that comes in and parthat share with us and weúunderstand how important that is and president will always team make sure that we do that right. >> has that order been fully rescinde or put on hold? has he pulled back on it officially? i'll leave it to the white

house. that's not my neck of the woods these days, but i want the american people to know that we will always protect information and we'll do evething we can to be as transparent as america demand, as well. if you could give yourself advice when you are head of he intelligence committee. what have you learned both being a cia and here at state that you would tell yourself, boy, now i -- that's something i understand and i could have been a better house intel committee chair on accountability because of x. what advice would you give yourself going back >> one of the things you get to see when you actually run the organition is the enormous depth and breadthcaf the city of american -- whether it's in our intelligence committee and our diplomatic forces. i think you underappreciate that when you're a member of congress. you get to seend glimpses you don't get to see the sum of the greatness. >> do you think if the members saw what you saw they would be

less con fir >> do i. >> do you think there are members of congress see more of this stuff so they wouldn't be so conspiratorial and maybe calm the public a little bit. >> i've tried to do that in my previous role and this one. i try to be as open sharing information as i possibly can be, proactive in communicatinre so that ts a better understanding. look, sometimes being conspiratorial isro aiate, too. sometimes asking hard questions is their jobir and t oversight role. >> sure. >> i don't begrudge that in any way. >> but the tone could change? >> i thi the tone would be one which is achieving america's foreign policy objectives. >> this of course, allas to do with russia, and i say this and i was preparing for this interview and questions i had about north korea, washere a russia angle. questions i had about iran, r there issian angle. the russians don't seem to be help o helpful on any front here and is that a faires aent? >> it is a fair assessment and

most nfortunate. worked with them closely on counter terrorism issues and there's a handful of other placeshere we have overlapping interests although certainly not values and it's a country very ufferent from in that respect and they have not proven helpful in the ukraine and syria. you've shown it. we, this week, put sanctions on china as a result of the law thatasd. again, trying to push back against russia's activityound the world and they tried to develop a relationship any change that, but we've not been successful t date. >> you're being bad cop. it may be realistic when it comes to russia. is that not wor tng? >> i donnk it's the situation at all and i think that's the question. wrong. >> think we're all trying to be cops that are protecting a, amernd i think we've achieved that, chuck. i do believe arica is fundamentally safer today than it was when president trump took office for a host of reasons.

>> if assad ues chemical weapon, will you hold russia accountable fore this? >> wll go to the source the bad behave wroior? >> who is the source assad or russians? >> we pray that it doesn't, but we'll do our intelligence andre ics and we will do our ard work and hold those responsible for violating the principle that chemical weapons are different tnothers. >> so russia knows it could be held accountable here if they're notareful? >> we sanctioned russia for a chemal, biological weapons use and what they did on skripal. the president is deadly seris to m sure that chemical weapons don't become the norm in the way nationsct around the world. >> are we afraid -- would you rule -- have we ruled out using a military response if there was something like that? >> we're not going to rule out a single thing, chuck. >> let me move to iran here.

you said it isn't about regime change. rouhani wants to meet with president trp next week. it will happen. >> the president's been clear about thapp he is to talk to anyone. if there is constructive dialogue, let's get ister it. >>here one right now with the iranians? >> it doesn't seem l. their behavior would int indicate any change that iran presents to the world. >> how do you make sure that the united states doesn't look like it's taking sides in sunni versus shia here?uy you will get tough on iran this week and the president will chair the meetin and it does look like the united states is on every sunni side of an issue. how do you sort of make sure that the united states isn't sending that message? >> i don't think the members of isis wou share your view. we've been incredibly hard on terror from wherever it comes whether it's the shia, whether it's the sunnis or anyone else

engaged in terror around the world. our objective is to protect american interests and we will protect them no matter who it is eyperpetrated and whether come from a religion, no religion and the should as or the sunnis. >> are the russians helpful on iran? >> they've not been to yodate. >> dthink they can be? >> i always live in hope, chuck. it is my mission, and it is my task to convince the russians, too, that you're fing rockets from yemen into major gulf tates and arming lebanese hezbollah, and all of these activities. these aren't in russia's best interest either ando just come t america and poke us in the eye is not a foreign policy objective. that's being a nuisance and what i hope they do is weat take matters to each of our two peoples. >> you may end up meeting thewi th counterpart and there ian

invite there. gym kong kim jong-un wants to have another summit with president trump. >> we have to make itwork. we have to set up thes logist and set the right conditions where president trump is prepared to meet with chairman kim at the right time and w hope that will happen in the not too distant future. >> are the north koreans being honest about t nuclear program compared to what we know about the nuclear program? have they been honest wit world? >> here's what we know about north korea, we came in and there wathe risk of war and we've taken the threat down by bringing the temperature down bh beginnin set of discussions and they've stopped missile grings and nuclear testings and that's all to thd and we've gotten back the remains of some of the soldthrs. that's t good. we have our eyes wide open and there is a long way to go to get chairman kim to live up to the commitment he made to president trump and the demands of the world and the u.n. security coolcil rions to get him to fully denuclearize and our team is fully gaged and there's lots of work being done

and it isn't all visibl public and we are fully engaged in the process and we understand the objective and economic sanctions will remain in place until we get there. >> it sounds like you're saying that y es, he hasn't been fully honest yet. >> you suldn't take anything away from when i've said and we have the patience and derminationf the president's mission statement to us at the statement to make that happen. >> sectary, i'll leave i there. >> thank you, chuck. >> appreciate it. >> you bet. when we come back, a primary reason the democrats are feelsog confident about november and, yes, i just, like alex trebek it's no longer enough to be fast. so it's no surprise that the company who built the nation's largest gig-speed network, is already moving-beyond. beyond wifi that just connects. to wifi that thinks about what your customers want. beyond the reliability you expect. to knowing that if the power goes out, business goes on. ♪ ♪ beyond chasing down network problems.

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back now with "endgame," and joining us with the panel is marvin kalk, and a former moderator of the program and author of a new book "enemy of the people," trump's war on the and the new mccarthyism and american democracy. always an honor. >> pleasure. good to be here. >> let me read a quick excerpt from the book because you basically connect the trump and mccarthyier as. how stunningly, and they turn a blind eye and deaf ear to donald trump's unsubstantiated acquisitions and the parallels are powerful and disturbing and we saw the fight of the justice department versus the president rile u again this week. >> yes, and i think at the heart of it w the role of the press and the role centrally ofa e r. murrow at cbs because murrow was theer le of the pack.

he was the best, most well-known journalist of his time and what ccarthy was doing was undermining the democracy and he decided he would take on his man and he was frund in the way he did it because there was a lot of pressure on him, corporat pressure and different kinds of pressure and they decidedse on his experience in germany in the '30s that a democracy can be undone, the democracy is a fragile thing. it's based on ideas. it's based on people and if people lose faith in the ideas, the democratic structure itself can be undercut, and murrow wa concerned that mccarthy was doing just that, and my gut feeling at this time is that president trump is essentially doing the >> jonah, fair argument? >> yeah. i'm not going to get into an argument about edward r. murrow, i have different opinions about that, bu made this to the extent that he plays this

populist red shirt stuff where n henuates things he can't back up where he plays passionately t his base and facts.ethered to i think many times the press helps donald trump -- helps mccarthy. that's right. the press often makes it easier for donald trump to make thear ments stick and in terms of irresponsibly engaging and i don't think you can exonerate trump. >> it's only upto a certain point where the press helpedrt mc and is now helping trump. there is a point at which the heart andf soule press in a free society comes into play and i think there are many illustrations right now of the prs taking a role and fighting back. for 60 years as a reporter i was quite happy cover theews and go home and not intrudeio m opinto it at all, but i've changed my mind now, and i think that because trump is

essentially taking steps that undermine my democracy. in my view, when he demeans the press d cuts into the press and humiliates the press he is doing that to the essence of our democracy and it has to be changed. >> eliana, this is a case of if you are standing up for the democracy, is that bias? >> i think i have a bit more ith in sort of the durability of american democracy and the constitutional system, and i think we're seng that in the midterms where the objective facts of the economy, job growth, wage growth are being overshadowed by the president and 's not benefiting his party which is slated to lose a tremendous number of seats. single ems to be the issue in the midterms and it's not good and if you look at what really the issues are from -- from paul manafort and michael cohen to omarosa and the issues book, those are the issues th are going to the polls and ready to pull the lever on and it'sg

go hurt the republican party. >> running low on time. >> helene? >> i rember when i first got a job -- i'm not going to say how long ago with "the wall street journal," and i was told -- we we t told at the timet as a reporter when you're presenting your stories you should have a point of view. you should not have bias, but your stories should actually say something. you've reported it out and now it's your turn to -- to speak t the reader and lay out the facts the way you choose, an i think that that is probably the best way to define what we should be doing right now. i think you can go too far on on the other his, hand that, but i think today, journalists should still have a point of view. >> i have to land this plane. >> marvin, you t knowis better than most that i'm running out of time. the book "enemy of the" peop literally getting flasardscards. i'm in trouble. have a great week. remember if it's sunday it's

an trump: you can dything... grab em by the p*á*y vo: an admitted sexual abuser sits in thwhwhite house o supported an accused child predator for the senate. trump: ...so get out and buser sivote for roy moore.se vo: then, he nominated this man to the u.s. supreme court. woma ...accusing kavanaugh ...when she tried to scream, she said he put his hand over her mouth. vo: we can't let brett kavanaugh decide on our rights for a generation. enough is enough.