as the wife we crossed tt >> this sunday, supreme battle. brett kavanaugh's nomination in jeopardy over accusation he sexually assaulted girl when he was a teenager. republicans are divided. >> i would think if the incident ocrred as she described it that would be disqualified. 'l don't get rattled by all of this. plow right through it and do our job. >> but president trump is standing by his man. >> he is a fine, fin. per >> and now there's an apparent agreement for kavanaugh's ticuser, chr blasey ford to testify before the senate judiciary committee on thursday. myuests this morning, republican senator david purdue of georgia and democratic senator patty murray of washington state. plus how serious would deputy

attorney general rod rosenstein about secretly recording president trump any trying to remove him from office? and does this give the president more ammunition in his fight with robert mueller? >> there's a lingering stench and we're going to get rid of that, too. >> also my sitdown with secretary of state mike pompeo. >> the north koreans been honest about their nuclear program? >> finally, our brand-new nbc news/wall street journal poll on president trump and the battle for control of congress. joining me fornd insight a analysis are chris matthew, host of "hardball" on msnbc. helene cooper, pentag correspondent for the new york times. >> andeliana johnson, for politico. welcome to sunday. it's "the mt the press". >> from nbc news in washgton chlt t longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. it was in 1991 whenlance

thomas' path to confirmation wa interrup anita hill with sexual harassment in the workplace. helping to usher 1992's year of the woman at the ballot x. as "time" magazine illustrated, the specter of the thomas-hill hearing now hang over supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. nochristine blasey ford accus d him of sexually assaulting her at a party. >> she tentatively agreed that she would testify on thursday. they're still working out the details for what could bee those national stop what you're events and watch. of note, as of last night four people that ford had said were at the party with her including kavanaughave said they have no recollection of being there. the kavanaugh nomination is issue one for conservative and e evangelicals and there is fear that if kavanaughoes down republican candidates could play

a steeper price in november than they'reac alreadyg which brings us to our nbc news/wall street journal po this morning. our poll found among registered voters ty prefer democrats by a whopping 12 points, 52-40 and if you're a close follower of journalnews/wall street poll you'll know that's the significant mtrgin and l month the margin was eight points and by the way, a month beforehat it was six points. as for president trump, his numbers are remarkably steady. 52% of registered voters disapprove of his performance and 44% approve. it's exactly where he was last month, 52-44. as one of our pollsters putit, these numbers are, quote, beyond weak for republicans and americs aretrying to send a signal that they're not satisfied with the w things are going in washington and all of which helps explain how they're watching the kavanaugh story with one eye on his prospects and the other on their

own in november. >> brett kavanaugh, fantastic man. he was born for the u.s. supreme court. he was born for it, and it's going to happen. >> reporter: with judge brett kavanaugh'son confirma hanging in the balance. >> do you have any response to christine rd? >> mr. trump abandoned his uncharacteristic restraint tweeting, i have no doubt that if the attackn dr. ford was as bad as she says, chargers would have been brought by her or her loving parents. republicanusan collins, a crucial swing vote fired back. >> i was appalled by the president's tweet. >> california professor christine blasey ford allthes at kavanaugh sexually assaulte her at a house party in the early 1980s telling "the washington post," he pinned her to a bed, groped her a tried to pull off her clothing.

when she tried to scream he put his hand over her mouth. >> she clearly believes this was an attempted rape and wereit not for the severe intoxication of brett kgh she would have been raped. >> kavanaugh has denied the allegations sayi i have never done anything like what thees accuser dcribes to her or to anyone. >> and senate republicans are pressing forward with the nomination. >> don't get rattled by all of this. we're going to plow right through it and do our job. >> mcconnell does not yet have the votes. >> by the way, there are, like, seven of us that are undecided. it's not just me. privately, many republicans worry the party's push to pu kavanaugh on the court could come at a steep, political ct. the nbc news/wall street journal poll, opposition to kavanaugh is growing among subuan women, women over 50 and independents. e 92 became the year of woman. a wave of democratic women won hilice after anita

grilling on capitol hill. >> there's still a lot of holes in the testimony. >> now some republicans worry history is repeating itself. >> i think this woman, whoever she is is mixed up. >> on friday, the #whyididn'treport became the number one trending topic twitter and already some republican candidates are stumbling. >> ruth bader ginsburg came out that she was groped by abraha lincoln. >> these are teenager who drunk statement, her own they were drunk and nothing evidently happened in it all even by her own accusation. again, it was supposedly an attempt or somethingthat never went anywhere. >> joining me now is republican senator david purdue of georgia. senator purdue, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> good morning chuck. let me start with a basic question here. what do you hope to learn from thursday's hearing of judge

kavanaugh and dr. ford? first of all, i think senator grassley has done a great job of tryingto accommodate dr. ford in getting this new information before the committee. i hope that we will get to theut and i think that's what the person people deserve and that's what we're trying too this week. i hope that both judge kavanaugh is dr. ford get an open hearing. i fully expect that this week. >> how are you going to decide who is telling the truth if itt really i testimony of dr. ford, the testimony of judge kavanaugh. we don't have anything else to work with here. how will you determine credibility in your mind. other do have information. you have four other people that claim they have no recollection of the event, but what i'vein de situation like this and look att in a holist being manner and look at the pattern over time and the look at the

people giving that information and their own personal credibility and that's whatwi w do hopefully as we get this information before us. >> is there anything dr. ford could sayhat would change your mind about supporting judge kavanaugh? >> look, these are serious allegations. i hope dr. ford can be put in a comfortable situation where she can provide the information. this is a democcy. have a judicial system and we also have innocent until proven guilty and so my view is that we need to oar from parties and make sure that we do it in a timely manner. we've already waited three months to get this information since the information was provided to senator feinste and it's time to get this hearing and bring it before the >> it's interesting you bring up innocent untilpren guilty. this is the standard, this is about a lifetime appointment on the supreme court. this is about meone who has to decide the constitutionality of laws that impact all of americans. do you think the burden of proof

in some ways, should be higher orn lower w you consider the job that judge kavanaugh is interviewing for? >> i think the burden here, chuck, is to find the truth, just like it is in any courtroom in our land and that'swe what e about to do. we've had people -- this man has had six fbi investigations. ethis isn't first time he's been fully vetted. >> not one-on-one specific charge. do you think at this point, would want at least the comfort of the fbi having if it's to this even for a ten-day period at this vepoint? >> theone that. their job is not to determine who is telling the truth, but to make sure the issue is brought before the body looking at it d that's the judiciary committee at this point. this information was made public through senator feinstein. is the fbi ok at it has done it. their role in this case is not to determine who is telling the truth 's to make sure that th senate has the information.

>> you don't think there is an additional investigati to at least establish that the party happened and establish some more facts, have an fbi agent interview, perhaps some of the other people that dr. ford says were at that house party? >> part of what the fbi is supposed to do to make sure that they determine that this is an issue and to make sure that they bring it bfore the committee we've had precedence on this before and in this case they've done their duty and right now thepl only p who will determine who is telling the truth in this issue are the united states senators. >> were you in the private sector before you joined politics and you ran fortune 500 companies. had i have no doubt you faced similar issues p in leadership. how did you t handlese? how did you determine truth? sometimes it is an allegation and a person tt you may think they're telling the truth, but they can no longer manage their -- they can no longer

fulfill their duties in their job because maybe they've lost credibility, fair or not. how would you handle a situation like that and how did you handle it in the private sector? >> i did have situations like this. as f 30 years ago we started having training programs inside our companies to make sure that people's individual rights were protect and the so forth, but when we d situations of allegations like this we primarily made sure that the information, as best we can determine, was presented people making the decision. you look at the credibility of the people giving the informatn and the pattern of behavior and you take a holistic view of this to get to a heart-level, gut-level determination about wh telling the truth and that's what will happen in each one of the senator's cases as they listen to the information this coming week. expect we'll get to decision this week and move on, chuck. >> does public opinion matter to you if more people oppose his nomination or

believe him. don't should that factor into your decision making on this? >> there are two issues there. first of all, i don't put a lot of confence in these polls. these are the same polls that had me losing by as much as 10% in my racear three or four ago and we won by more than soght points and had trump losing. i'm not sure these polls clearly reflect the opinion of the american people. i believe right now the cainformation that the ame people are getting is somewhat limited because it's coming through this central media in washington and not all of this has come out yet. all of the information in the senate this week, hopefully. we'll hear from both sides and we'll take that into considakation and we'll our adjudication. >> are things being rushed a little bit because of the november election deadline? i ask that because i know you have said we want to move on, with this and we are in day75 of the nomination and i want to put up a chart of the curren members of the supreme court and

three ofth went on longer, alit elena kagan. >> if you will cite that is stc, you ought to cite the fact that ginsburg was confirmed in 42nd days got 96 votes. >> that was up on my chashtrt a well and we have three members longer ourt that took and we're not in anus l situation. >> there's no timetable. we are in a situation where similar allegations were made. if we don't have all of the information this week i have total confidence that senator grassley wil take his time and make sure we get all of the information we need. there is no rush t judgment. i think any objective person, chuck, looking at the way senator grassley has handled this, they will walk away thinking that he hasone everything he can to make sure that this information comes before the senate and that this person i treated with all of the respect she is due. >> senator purdue, i will leave

it there for now. senator, republican from georgia, thank you for coming on and saring your views. >> thanks, chuck. >> joining me now with another perspective is patty murray from washington state. senator murray, welcome to e"met press". >> great to be here, chuck. >> i remember covering youran re it was the reason you stated for running was your reaction to le anita hill hearings and i remember a of people didn't give you much of a chance and you've now been aat united senator since 1992. >> correct. >> you said this about the ea republicans 27 later that the judiciary committee is leading us down the exact same place and an even worse one. how do you think worse? >> i think o of the things that i remember from the anita hill hearings was the way she was treated by united statest senator, t she was presumed that she was lying, that it was a fantasy, that she was making it up. that's how the questions came from the united states and she was never given a full

sportunity to be believed from thert. i sense that again, as i hear a number of the comments, the majority leader saying we're going to plow right through it as if it was a pty thing. we have to deal with this hiccup. that kind of conversation is exactly wh leads to many people in this country, women and men saying they don'tet it. particularly now in the me too movement. they have to speaknoutit doesn't have to be a hidden thing in the past and they have to not tell anybody. the message that it's a hiccup or we' going to plow through this is exactly what they don't want to hear today. >> it'seresting that you word it that way because i'm curious of your reaction of this tv ad that's being run by demand justice which is a group on the left that is opposing judge kavanaugh. i want to play for you this ad because it presumes him guilty and i want to play it for you and see what you tnk of this.

take a look. >> when 15-year-old christine tried to scream her attacker covered her moutso no one could hear her. will susan collins listen to her now? p iy it now because what you just described was presuming her not to be telling the truth. this is presuming him to already be guilty. it seems as if we're in a bad situation no matter your point of view. h e's how i see it. for a very long time, in the history of t country when women spoke out about allegations of sexual assault or abuse, they were presumed to be making it up or culturally not talking or told to be qui. so i think it is very important in this time and this day that speakognize when women out that we should presume that they are innocent. look, if someone saysmy car got stolen, you don't presume they're lying. >> right. >> if someone says i was sexually abusedod people

sometimes presume that they're making it up, that they're whatever. it suld be a presumption of innocence and then have a fair process to go through to determine the truth. >> do you think a hearing where it's really his word, her word. we're not going to have anything else and there's not going an fbi investigation. that's a tough -i same question ked of senator purdue. you're a human being, and how do you determine who i telling the truth and it's going to be your own gue >> the sen republicans have now set this up and that is what we're going have. do you believe her or do you elieve him? that isctly why we have been pressing for an fbi investigation that should only take a few day, so there are other facts out there and there are other witsses. fact, i have said many times that the anita hill hearing was a disaster they did have an fbiat investn and they did have other witnesses and other ways to judge this. the senate republicans have

predeterminedhe outcome that this is a he said she says by away.g that >> this was interesting, but anita hill wrote the following on wednesdaynd she had a suggestion for the judiciary committee. shepu wrote, thic expects better from the government from 1991 that th still lack the protocol for vetting the sexual harassment and the confirmation hearing suggests that t committee has learned little from the thomas hearing much less the more recent me too movement. it is what she's suggesting. there is no protocol, the judiciary committee. is there a protocol of --ou guys deal with a lot of advice and consent when it comes to when there is an allegation like protocol inre any the senate like this? >> clearly not, and this is what i've been saying since the beginning of this a week ago now is that the senate congress faed the test in 1991 with anita hill that they can deal with khisnd of allegation and

they have to be able to deal with this kd of allegation if we're going to be putting people on the highest court of the land andere we are today. how the senate handles this and th senate repps handle this will be a test of this time, of 2018 in the me too movement. d can better and i fear we are failing tt if we don't do it correctly. >> if there is no fbi investigation i want to showu something that sheldon whitehouse said to me and a republicans.d for take a listen. >> sooner or later, mark my word, there will ben investigation into this. it may be in the subsequent congress, but you cat get away with having something like this take place. >> and i followed up with him and he said yes, if there is a democratic senate that maybe this needs to be taken up again if this doesn't feel fully investigated and he's on the court, do you support something like that? >> i understand there could be allegations filed in maryland still on this if he was on the

court. so it's important that we get this right, and i am -- >> does this affect his current judgeship? >> his current judgeship? >> ii on't know. n't know the facts and i don't know the end of this and certainly that is something that is possible, but i don't know the facts yet and we all like it. that's why we all want an fbi investigation. that's why we wanthis do right, but here's what i do know, if the senate plows through this, if it's a hiccup, if they don't do it right, the will be a tremendous backlash again. i was in the airport yesterday and a woman came to me, an older woman and she said i was told 40 yearso when this happened to me don't say anything by myat parents. horrible message to young girls today. what a horrible message to youno mey that they can get away with this. let's get this right. >> would we be in this situation? this sort of point where it feels like we are so divided if the filibuster were still around. >> certainly, at the

filibuster did with a supreme court nominee forward, that ere had to be more of a consensus, that we would have -- >> it would. and it would mean that we would have people on the highest court of this land that neededto have more -- >> democrats get the majority back and will you advocate for change. >> that's a really good question and one that philosophically i agree with, but i will tell you what, whatf we did? what if the democrats put the filibuster back in and turned around and they got thed majory ok it away. we have to ask that question and that to me is extremely troubling. >> welcome to theed fract democracy. the other washington as you guys always like remind us in that way. >> when we come back, this tiek's supreme court tesny, the republicans and what it all could mean for their ♪

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welcome back. panel time. chris matthew, host of "hardball," on msnbc and author of "bobby kennedy," eliana johnson for politico and jona goldberg, editor at national review. >> that's right. >> let me begin. there it is. there it is because we're doing it right now, everybody. let me, i think, caitlin flanagan at the atlantic and david at the national review set up t conversation pretty well for us. let me read you from the atlantic. the least we can do is put this confirottion on hold and if true, kavanaugh should be approved without suspicion. my own inclination is no. here's david french. if there isn't any coeration or external evidence outside of christine ford's three decades-old recollections, that's not enough for derailing

the jurist no matter how fiercely they'reat believed. going to be the standard of berievability? are we? >> i think it's tremendously difficult. you have partisans on left including a democratic senat saying we must believe the testimony of the woman and it is anti-woman to challenge the accusations and partisans on the right thring out the names of their potential assailants without much proof, but what i think the difficult position justice kavanaugh or judge kavanaugh, excuse me, providian slip, is being put in is that in the current climate it is tremendously difficult for him to defend himself without being accused of being anti-woman, and he, i think, does need to be able to offe a defense. >> how are we going to resolve whether who is believed here? >> i'm not sure that we are. i do think the preponderance of the evidence that we have which is almost entirely

circumstantial, witness stimony and the like is in judge kavanaugh's favor. the four people alleged to be there all say they not only did not know about t attack, which was understandable because it was done in secret.w they don't k about the party. one person who is a friend of ford's doesn't even say she knows kavanaugh. >> she did say she believes ford, but yes, you're right. >> one thing that's difficult on the right and left to get their heads around is even if what dr. ford is saying is atrue,least as far as she sees it, the long-term precedent that be setting, that says you can issue a not uder oath allegation with no other corroboration for it and destroy a man's or a candidate, a mi e's character and reputation to destroy a nomination, that is a problem this th parties and for country and everyone on the left is saying that o the blocki

the mayor justifies anything that the democrats do. you'll have apublicans f generation saying the destruction of brett kavanaugh justifies what ty do and everything will get worse. >> chris? >> let's start with the basics. dr. ford has the right to petition congress. it's in the constitution. you have a right -- she had right to bring her complaint and bring her information. number two, didn'the also ha a responsibility? if she has this recollectn and she told her husband if they were getting married and she went to counseling and that was the earlier establishnt of her recollection among other people. if it happened and i bedieve it happen from her recollection shouldn't she have brought it forward? imagine if she'd had this experience and this themry and never told anybody about it and this guy became supreme court stice, was that a responsibility responsibility

responsibiliresponsible s kavanaugh at that party is a total denial and it's a good lawyer position and i've neveri done any like that or near that person. these guys rammed me a into room and corralled me was the term, bed. me on th when i tried to cry for help, covered my mouth. this does sound like assault. this isn't romancing or ake dr romancing, it's just assault, and if she hadn't brought that to the public, i think that would have been i failure of her citizenship. >> the very nature of this sort of thing always ends up being he said or she saidth 's why it's so hard, but it also is -- it also is so incredibly difficult for a woman to come forward and say that i have been sexually assaulted for the very reasons that we see what dr. ford are go -- is going

through right now, that i sorto of agree with senator murray that you -- you owe these women, i think, the presumption of tnocence or at lea assume that they're telling the truth, they're not making this up whici means this the senate's obligation to take this seriously and to do a lot better job than they did with anita hill hearing. i went back an i think a lot of us this past week went b k and looked at the anita hill hearing and i was reminded aghyn of i was so angry which is why i think that -- when president trump came out and said why police?they call the why didn't she report this to her loving parents and why didn't they report this. it is so appalling. >> i completely disagree with terms of torry, in crucial point. >> women who come forward and make the accusations, they

deserve to be heard and taken seriously and senato murray says we never doubt anybody when anyone says my car was stolen and that was a good line. we give the presumptionwhen i say chuck todd stole my car. you have to prove that and if we're going say that as women as a class will always be believed no matter what, and democrats have to deal with chris el sson we are throwing out a thousand years of a law that says we are throwing out the accused. >> if mitch mcconnell thought the republicans would be holding the senate would he push through kavanaugh and say give me someone more confirmable? >> i agree with you that both parties are acting politically. democrats are clearly puing delay tactics, it's obvious and republicans want to confirm him bere the election. >> they fear november.

>> absolutely. it's patently obvious and they're using ts woma who has come forward and is going through anexcruciating emotional trial for political ends and i agree with jonah, and i do s find ewhat insulting to women that they have to be presumed to be telling the truth andg in good faith and that their accusations and they're presumed not to be able to back up their accusations with the evidence. >> the backing up an accusation for something that took place 40 years ago that's impossible and the idea that you're going to go and ire can'mber parties they went to 40 years ago. none of us can, but se is so -- makes much more sense because she's the one who was sexually assaulted. >> there's a big line between what jonah said is you don't accept this absolute fact, but there's something in the republican conversation wast week thadifferent than that. there's sort of an i lovelu in thinking of women and the way they're portrayed by it.

plow through it, no, it's a person. i like the way nikme haley, when e called her confused she said i don't get confused. i think the fact that women are confused or mistaken is really a problem for the republicans. >> the idea that women can't back up their claims or that their claims can't stand some sun light is insulting. >> and this is why thursday is going to bean impossible moment for this country and our politics. i just full believe that, unfortunately, left or right. >> when we come back, my sitdown with secretary of state mike pompeo, we discuss noanh korea, pompeo, we discuss noanh korea, ir and syria, ♪ south l.a. is very medically underserved. when the old hospital closed people in the community lived with untreated health problems for years.

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every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. welcome back. president trump travels to new york today to host world leaders at the united nations general assembly. i sat down at the state departmentith mark pompeo for his first appearance on "meet the press" sin becoming secretary of state. mr. secretary, welcome back to "meet the press". >> great to be here. grot host you here. >> very nice to be here. let me start with the fisa warrant and what the president was asking to get declassified. you seemed to i say an interview on thursday night that a few ally his complained about the potential declassification of these fisa documents that have to do potentially with carter page. what more can you say? i assume it's the five eyes, is

it the uk and that groutiof s that are trying to keep us from making this stuff public? >> chuck, in't add much more to that other than to say this, in myro previous as cia director and now as secretary of state we are committed to making sure that we classify information properly. we try to get o informati that shouldn't be classified. it's a historic problem in the unit states government and second, we will always make sure that we prote ourources and methods and information that comes in and partners that share nderstand howe important that is and president trump and our team will always make sure that we do that hrig. that order been fully rescinded or put on hold? has he pulled back on it officially? i'll lve it to the white house. that's not my neck of the woods these days, but i want the american people to know that will always protect information and we'll do everything we can to be as transparent a america demand, as well. >> if you could give yourself

advice when you are head of the intelligence committee. what have youlened both being a cia and here at state that you would tell yourself, boy, now i -- that's something i didn't understand and i could have been a better house intel committee chair on accountability because of x. what advice would you give yourself going backwards? >> one of the things you get to see when you actually run the organization is thenormous depth and breadth of the capacity of american -- whether it's inur intelligence committee and our diplomatic forces. i think y underappreciate that when you're a member of congress. you get mp see gs and you don't get to see the sum of the greatness. >> do you think if the members saw what youaw theyould be less con fir torial? >> do i. >> dyou think there are members of congress see more of this stuff so they wldn't be so conspiratorial and maybe calm the public down a little bit. >> i'veried to do that in my previous role and this one.

i try to be as open sharing information as i possibly can be, proactive in communicating so that there is a better un look, sometimes being conspiratorial is appropriate, too. sometimes king hard questio is their job and their oversight . >> sure. >> i don't begrudge that in any way. >> but the tone could change? >> i think the tone would be one which is achieving america's foreign policy objectives. >> this of course, all has to do with russia, and t i says and i was preparing for this interview and questions i had about north korea, was there a russia aqule. tions i had about iran, there is a russian angle. the russians don't seem to be help o helpful on any front here and is that a fair assessment? >> it is a fair assessment and most unfortunate. i worked with them closely on counter terrori issues and there's a handful of other places where we have overlapping interests although certainly not values and it's a country very different from ours in that

respect d they haveot proven helpful in the ukraine and syria. you've shown it. we, this week, put sanctions on china as a result of the law that passed. again, trying to push back against russia's activity around the world and they tried to develop a relationship any change that, but we've not been successful to date. >> you're being bad cop. it may be realistic when it t come russia. is that not working? >> i don't think it's the situation at all and i think that's the question. >> just wrong. >> think we're all trying to be that are protecting america, and i think we've achiev that, chuck. i do believe america is fundamentally safn today t it was when president trump took office for a host of reasons. >> if assad uses chemical ap , will you hold russia accountable for this? >> we will go to the surce of the bad behave wroior? >> who is the source assad or

russians? >> we pray that it doesn't, but we'll do our intelligence and forensics and we will do our hard work and hold those responsible for violating the principle that chemical weapons are different than others. >> so russia kno it could be held accountable here if they're not careful? >> we sanctionedussia for a chemical, biological weapons use and what theyid on skripal. the president is deadly serious to make sure that chemicaldo weapont become the norm in the way nations act around the world. are we afraid -- would you rule -- have we ruled out using a military response if there was something like that? >> we're not going to rule out a single thing, chuck. >> let me move to iran here. ou said it isn't about regime change rouhani wants to meet with president trump next week. it will happen. >> the president's been clear about that, he is happy to to anyone.

if there is constructive dialogue, let's get after it. >> is there one right now with the? irania >> it doesn't seem likely. their behaviorld wnt indicate any change that iran presents to the world. >> how do you make sure that the united states doesn't look like it's taking sides in sunni versus shia here? you guys will get tough on iran this week and the president will chair the meeting and it does look likete the ustates is on every sunni side of an issue. how do you sort of make sure that the united states isn't sending that i message? on't think the members of isis would share your view. we've been incredibly hard on terror from wherever it comes whether it's the shia, whether it's the sunnisr anyone else engaged in terror around the world. our objective is toroct american interests and we will protect them no matter who it i perpetrated ether they come from a religion, no religion and the should i as or the asunnis. the russians helpful on

iran? >> they've not been to date. >> do you think they can be? >> i always live i pe, chuck. it is my mission, and it is my task to convince theans, too, that you're firing rockets om yemen into major gulf states and arming lebanese hezbollah, and all of these activities. these aren't in russia's bestst inte either and just come to america and poke us in the eye is not a foreign policy objective. that's being aan nu and what i hope they do is we take what matters to each of our twole pe >> you may end up meeting the with counterpart and there is an invite there. gym kong ts kim jong-un wo have another summit with president trump. >> we have to make it work. we have to set up the logistics and set the right conditions where president trump is

prepared to meet with chairman kim at the right time and we hope that will happenotn the too distant future. >> are the north koreans being host about the nuclear program compared to what we know about the nuclear program? have they been honest with the world? >> here's what we know aout north korea, we came in and there was the risk of war and we've taken there down by bringing the temperature down by beginning the set of discussions and they'vstopped missil firings and nuclear testings and that's all to the good and we've gotten back theemns of some of the soldiers. that's to the good. we have our eyes widepen and there is a long way to go to get chairman kim to live up to the commitment he made to president trsp and the dema of the world and the u.n. security council resolutions to get him to fully declearize and our team is fully engaged and there's lots of work being done and it isn't all visible to the public and we are fully enceged in the p and we understand the objective and economic sanctions will remain in place until we get there. >> it sounds like you're saying that y es, he hasn't been fully

honest yet. >> you shouldn't take anything away from when i'veaid and we have the patience and determination of the president's mission statement tos at the statement to make that happen. >> secretary, i'll leave it there. >> tha you, chuck. >> appreciate it. >> you bet. when we come back, a primary reason the democrats are feeling so confident about novemberand, yes, i just, like it's no longer enough to be fast. so it's no surprise that the company who built the nation's largest gig-speed network, is already moving-beyond. beyond wifi that just connects. to wifi that thinks about what your customers want. beyond the reliability you expect. to knowing that if the power goes out, business goes on. ♪ ♪ beyond chasing down network problems. to a network that shows you when and where there's an issue. comcast business. beyond fast.

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seats. so for the record, we're skipping the 2002 primary season and that was in the wake of 9/11. it didn't follow any standard patterns for midterm elections d what do all of these numbers say for 2018? the raw primary vote shows there is bigger than what they've had before as democr have cast 20.6 million votes while the republicans have ca 16.3 million giving the democrats a 4 million plus vote advantage and it's that number that means that's in line with numbers from '06 and that's the last time the democrats flipped the house and flipped the senate. when we come back, endgame and the president versus the press. coming up, "endgame" brought to you by boeing, continuing our to you by boeing, continuing our mission to connect, protect, who would have thought, who would have guessed? an energy company helping cars emit less.

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boeing. rontinuing our mission to connect,ct, explore and inspire. >> back now with "endgame," and joining us with the panel is marvin kalk, and a formerth moderator o program and author of a new book "enemy of the people," trump's war on the press and the new mccarthyism and american democracy. >> always an honor. >> pleasure. good to be here. >> let me read a quick excerk from the bcause you asically connect the trump and mccarthyier as. how stunningly, and they turn blind eye and deaf ear to donald trump's unsubstanated acquisitions and the parallels are powerful and disturbing and fight of the justice department versus the president rile up again this week. >> yes, and i think at the heart of it was the role of the press and the rolely centr of edward murrow w at cbs because

was the leader of the pack. he was the best, most well-known journalist of his time and what mccarthy was doing was undeining the democracy and he decided he would take on his man and he was unafraid in the way he did it because there was a lot of pressure onhim, corporate pressure and different kinds of pressure and th decided based on his experience in germany in the '30s that a democracy can be undone, the democracy is a fragile thing. it's based on ideas. it's based on people and if people lose faith in the ideas, the democratic structure itself can de ut, and murrow was concerned that mccarthy was doing just that, and gut feeling at this time is that esident trump is essentially doing the same thing. >> jonah, fair argument? >> yeah. i'm not going to get into an argument about edward r. murrow, i have different opinions about

that, but i've made this tntthe exhat he plays this populist red shirt stuff where he insinuates things he can't back up where h plays passionately to his base and being tethered to facts. i think many times the press help donald trump -- helps mccarthy. that's right.pr ths often makes it easier for donald trump to make the arguments stick td inms of irresponsibly engaging and don't think you can exonerate trump. >> it's only up to a certain pointhere the press helped mccarthy and is now helping trump. there is a pointt which the heart and soul of the press in a free society comes into play and think there are many illustrations right now of the press taking a role and fighting back. for 60 years asas a reporter i quite happy to cover the news and go home and not intrude my opinion into it at all, but i've changed my mind now, and i think

that because trump is essentially takingte that undermine my democracy. in my view, when he demeans the press and cuts into the press and humiliates the press he is dointhat to the essence of our democracy and it has to be changed. >> elian this is a case of if you are standing up for the democracy, is that bias? >> i think i have a bit more faith in sort of the durability of american democracy and the consti,tional systand i think we're seeing that in the midterms where the objectivefa s of the economy, job growth, wage growth are being overshadowed by the president and it's not benefiting his party which is slated to lose a tremendous number of seats. trump seems to be the single issue in the midterms and it's not good and if you look at what really the issues are from -- from paul manafort and michael cohen to omarosa and the issues bookthose are the issues that

are going to the polls and ready to pull the lever on and it going to hurt the republican party. >> running low on >> helene? >> i remember when i first got a job -- i'm not goingo say how long ago with "the wall street journal," and i was told -- we were told at the time that as a reporter when you're presenting your stories you should have a point ofho view. youd not have bias, but your stories should actually say something. you've reported it out and now it's your turn to -- to speak to the reader and lay out the facts the way you choose, and i think that that is probably the best way to define what we should be doing rightth now. k you can go too far on the one hand this, on the other ha that, but i think today, journalists should still have a point of view. >> i have to ld this plane. >> marvin, you know this better than most that i'm running out of ti. the book "enemy of the people" literally getting flash wardcar. i'm in trouble.

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