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prep, went by pj then, he and i lived close to one another, played football together. he was defensive tackle. i was cornerback, wide we car pooled to school alo d with dis every year, the three of us, for two years. i didn't have a car so one of the two of them would drive every day and i'd be in the -- they'd picke up. >> what's your relationship like with him now? >> heives in the area. i see him once in a while. i haven't seen him since this th dg. >>you know leland ingam or leland keyser? >> i know of her. i's possible that i met h high school at some point at some event. i know of her.
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and again, i don't want to rule out havingrossed paths with her in high school. your statements about knowing dr. ford? >> correct. >> senator feinstein. >> judge kavanaugh, it's my understanding that you have denied the allegations by dr. ford, miss ramirez and miss swetnick, is that correct? >> yes. >> all three of these women have asked the fbi to investigate their claims. i ltened carefully to what you said. your concern is evident and clear. if you're very confident ofpoour tion and you appear to be, why aren't you also asking the fb to investigate these claims? >> senator, i'll do whatever the committee wants. i wanted a hearing the day after
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the allegation came up.i nted to be here that day. instead ten days past where all this nonsenses coming out, you know, that i'm in gangs, i'm ono boats in island, i'm in colorado, i'm sighted all over e place. these things are printed and run breathlessly by cable news.i nted a hearing the next day. my family has been destroyed by this, senator. destroyed. >> and i'm -- >> and whatever themi cee decides. i'm all in. >> my question is -- >> immediately. i'm all in immediately. >> and the terrible and hard part of this is when we get an allegation, we're notn a position to prove it or disprove it. therefore, we have t depend on some outside authority for it. and it wld just seem to me then when these allegations came
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forward that you would want the fbi to investigate those claims and clear it up once and for all. >> senator, the committee investigates -- it's not for me to say how to do it, but just so you know, the fbi doesn't reach a conclusion. they would give you a couple 302s that just tell you what we said. so i'm here.i nted to be here -- i wanted to be here the next day. it's an ouage that i was n allowed to come and defend my name and say i didn't do this and give you all this evidence. i'm not even -- i'm notven in d.c. on the weekends in the summer of 1982. h thpened on a weekday? i'm not at blair high school for a summer league game? i'm not at tobin's houseworki wg out? i'm not at a movieith suzanne? i wanted to be here right away. >> well, the difficult thing is
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th these hearings are set by the majority, but i'm talking abt getting the evidence and having the evince looke at. i don'tunderstand, you know, we hear from the witnesses but the ui isn't interviewing them and isn't giving any facts so all we have -- >> you're interviewing me. you're interviewing me. you're doing it, senator. i'm sorry to interrt, but you're doing it. there's no conclusions reached. >> and what you're saying, if i understand it, is that the allegations b dr. ford, miss ramirez and miss swetnick are wrong. >> that is emphatically what'm saying. emphatically.tn
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the sk thing is a joke. that is a farce. >> would you like to say more about it? >> no. >> that's it. thank you, mr. chairma >> miss mitchell. >> d ford has described you as being intoxicated at a part did you consume alcohol during your high school years? >> yes, we drank beer. my friends and i, boys and gis. yes, we drank beer. i liked beer. i still like beer. we drank beer. the drinking age as i noted was 18, so the seniors were legal, senior year iol high sc people were legal to drink. yeah, we drank beer and i said sometimes -- sometimes probably bhad too manyrs and sometimes other people had too many beers. >> what do you -- >> we drank beer. we liked beer. >> what do youonsider to be too many beers? >> i don't know.
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you know, whatever the chart says. blood alcohol chart. >> when you talked tos therniou sdt noxes there were t in high school when people might have had too many beers on toccasion. dot include you? >> sure. have you ever passed out from drinking?se >> p out would be no, but i've gone to sleep. but i've never blacked out. that's the allegation. that's wrong. >> so let's talk abouttime in high school. in high school after drinking, did you ever wake up in a different location than you remembered passing out or going to sleep? >> no. no. >> did you ever wake up with your clothes in a different condition or fewer clothes on than you remembered when you
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went to sleep or passed out? >> no.>> no. id you ever tell -- did anyone eve tell you about something that happened in your presence that you did remember during a time that you had been drinking? >> no. we drank beer and -- you know, so did i think the vastofajority eople our age at the time. but in any event we drank beer and still do. so whateve -- yeah. >> during the time in high school when you would be drinking, did anyone ever tell you about something that you did not remember? >> no. >> dr. ford described a small gathering of people at a suburban maryland home in the summer of 1982. she said that mark judge, p.j.
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smyth andleland ingam were also present as well as an unknown male and that the people were drinking to varying degrees. were you ever at ang gathe that fits that description? >> no. as i've said in my opening statements -- openingstatement. >> dr. ford described an incident where she was alone in a room with you and mark judge. have you ever been alone in a room with dr. ford and mark judge? >> no. >> dr. forded descrn incident where you were grinding your genals on her. have you ever ground or rubbed your genitals against dr. ford? >> no. >> dr. ford descred an incident where you covered her mouth with your hand. have you ever cover dr. ford's mouth with your hand? >> no. >> dr. ford described ande in where you tried to remove her clothes. have you ever tried toemove her clothes? >> no. >> referring back to the definition of sexual behavior that i have given you,ave you
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er at any time engaged in sexual behavior with dr. ford? >> no. >> have you ever engaged in sexual behavior f with dr.d even if it was consensual? >> no. >> i want to talk about your calendars. youubmitted to the committee copies of the handwritten calendars thatou've talked about for the months of may, june, july and august of 1982. do you have them in front of you? >> i do. >> did you create thesear cale in the sense of all the handwriting that's on them? >> s. >> is it exclusively your handwriting? >> yes. >> whedid youake these entries? >> in .19 >> has anything changed -- been changed for those since 1982? >> no. >> do these calendars represent your plans for each day or do
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dey document, in other words, prospectively, o they document what actually occurred more like a diary? >> they're both forward-looking and baward-looking, as you can tell by looking at them because i crossed out certain doctors' appointments that didn't happen or one night where i wasif supposed to weights, i crossed that out because i obviously didn't make it that night. so you can see things that i didn't do. crossed out in specific peop who i was with, that is like backward-looking. >> you explained that you kept thesealdars because your father started keeping them in 1978, i believe you said. >> mm-hmm. >> that's why you kept them. in other words, you wrote on them. but why did you keep them until this time? >> well, he's kept them too since 1978.
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so he's a good role model. >> miss mitchell, you'll have to stop. >> judge kavanaugh hasor asked f a break so we'll take a 15-minute break. >> a break after a very emotional and lengthy opening statement in the first part of the questioning o judge brett kavanaugh coming out in a statement, frankly emotional from start to finish, angry at times, tearful at many other times, and even under questionin from the republican side still seemed to be trying to find his composure and his footing as he once againco inues to deny all the accusations made by christine blasey ford in the session earlier today. i'm back here with andreall mitcnd savannah guthrie and chuck todd and thmegyn.
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ghts so far? >> i mean where do you even begin? >> look, i have heard from people that are close to the president on the outside who are relieved by thisperformance. they, meaning they're willing to now rally around this person. they're willing now to fight for him. so on one hand i think that aggressive, defiant, this is -- that was effective at rallying certainly that. corn i'm guessing president trump is probably liking this style.th question is what does susan collins and jeff flake think? i keep coming t backthat because ultimately those may be the two opinions that matter the here. >> clarence thomas turned a corner when he came back after anita hill's testimony and s hd th been a high-class lynching, angry, high-tech lynching, angry and furious. that really did turn the corner. the difference is he didn't cry. he was emotional and angry, but he was not as emotionally
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wraught as the subsequen testimony. so it's a roller coaster here and you don't know how that's going to play, and as chuck says play with the women and some the republican men who were really on the fence here. >> the people who i flow on twitter, republican and conservatives who i follow on twitter, are with they feel for him. and how can you not?n i mhe gets up there and gives this incredibly moving, emotional testimonial about what happened to her whenhe was 15. and then he gets up there and you can see the tol h this taken on him. you know, one guy on twitter who i follow, matth, wa he tweeted out one of these -- either she's anzi a liar or he's an amazing liar or she is mistaken. it's likee -- the toll of the behavior of the people who have been attacking him was evident
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in the emotions he showed just there. and he wasn't going afterhe he was going after the democrats. he didn't name cory booker but that's the one who called him evil he didn't name kristen gil br gillibrand but that's whoaid people are going to die if he gets confirmed. he said this confirmation proces has been aational disgrace that has totally destroyed me and my family. >> and that's what it looked, he made a -- this was a political shot. and he went out and he's making a political case to save his nomination. it could work politically as far as getting the 50 votes he needs to get confirmed. it just -- how it plays in the rest of america, how it plays fo weeks later on election day, what does this do. >> how might his rulin be viewed in the future. >> look, we're going
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far more comfortable than she was questioning the accuser. so 'sstrangely, s actually elicited the more interesting y. testim what was your drinking? >> this is a reminder. the senate republicans are more worried about their look than brett kavanaugh's look.in very resting. they made that decision to protect themselves. not the nomination. which tells what you they're most concerned about. election day. this is not how you helhim. this is how you help the republicans. >> he has given some groundn the drinking issue and several times many his opening and questioning saying, i like beer, i drank beer to the point that i slept, not necassarilyd out. asked if he ever had too much,
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how do you describe too much, he said refer to the charts. >> that was incredibly awkward an a ll. that you're dancing around. the deception detection experts will tel you, if you are trying to convince somebodyin by g just enough that you're okay, another witness comes forwart but o much that you're at the place where it is dangerous for you. that's potentily an indicator. >> passing outths i eye of the beholder. you sleep. you fall asleep versus passed out drinking. >> this is a judge. you saw his confirmation hearing being so careful. if you saw the fox news interview, so careful. and the restraints are just off and he is goingto, it is real. he got in there with diann feinstein. no more nice at thises, gee, my friend from this place or that place. he is all in. like he's got nothing to. lo >> in point of fact, he came out
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and said, i would welcome an fbi investigation. he said from the moment that these m allegations,ning the new allegations, i welcomed an fbi allegation. that's the first we've heard at. he is putting it on the committee and the white house for refusing the fbi investigation. because the mantra of the democrats, of dr. ford has bn ing on the fbi. >> evenringing in the police. >> you think about, look, the women watching this at home. i feel like democratic women are not with him. they're not on the fence about judge kanaugh. theepublican women are probably with him but open with to replacing h somebody else if they're convinced, right? when did he tearup he teared up when he was talking about his kids. when he was tking about his parents. about his family, his dad. what does that show you? th guy has a heart. he has a heart. his detractors will say he
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sorry for himself because he got caught and he's been put on the spot. >> if you say dr. ford was a compellingtn s, judge kavanaugh is a compelling witness. if you say we end this day and we're not near end yet. we're at a draw. what happens with the senators who matter in terms of what happens with this vote? >> i don't know. i don't think we do know. this does feel like the, you win losing. each party wins by losing. if quang draws, this could, if kavanaugh withdraws, this could galvanize them enough for trump to get the votes that he needed to win this idprcy. they jam him through, galvanize the left in a way that, as some said. i don't know how much more they can get galvanized but they might. >> hold. on we need t pause as some of
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our local stations go to local programming. for others, we're continuing with the coverage of kavanaugh. news4 at 4:00. >> this is how i met brett kavanaugh. >> my family and my name have been tally and permanently destroyed. >> jt snippets of the dramatic testimony and the strong emotion apitol hill. >> judge kavanaugh defending sxhifl for the first time, christine blasey ford tells her story. >> we pro our viewers, we'll be going back tohe hearing as soon as it resumes in about ten minutes. >> in washington and behind, all eyes are glued to this hearing with the supreme court seat at ake. court is on a brief recess and we'll go back to the testimony when itresumes. >> first, blayne alexander has a look at the fireworks so far. t
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>> thetimony -- >> under oath and reluctant. >> i am terrified. >> chrisne blasey ford emotionally describing an alleged sexual assault during a high school housearty decades ago. identifying her attacker as supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. >> i believed he was going to rape me. i tried to yell for help. when i did, brett put his hand over my mouth and stopped me from yellin it was hard for no breathe. and i thought that brett was accidentally going to kill me. >> she said kavanaugh drunkenly attacked her as a friend watche a moment she says is etched into her memory. >> the juproart laughter between two,nd their having fun at my expense. >> ford is one of thr t women publicly accuse kavanaugh of sexual misconduct. kavanaugh vehemently denying it all. >> i was not at the party
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described b dr. ford. this confirmation process has become a national disgrace. >> and becoming emotional when saying his 10-year-old daughter wants to pray for >>ford. we mean no ill will. >> republicans bringing in an outside prosecutor to question ford, rachel mitchell, who pointed pout ford's account has been refuted by other potential witnesses. >> are you aware that they say they have no memory or knowledgc of a party? >> yes.>> both caught in a political pressure cooker. republicans blasting dem nrats fo exposing the allegations sooner. >> thereere 45 days, this committee could have been investigating this situation. >> democrats applauding ford. >> speaking your truth is nothing short of heroic. >> and slamming the process. >> outside of that hearing room, planes, trains and live streams.
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today, it ctivated americans wherever they were and whatever they were doing. one person showi the scene in the senate cafeteria as people were watching on levision. another person tried jury rigging a phone in the car to make sure co-listen as he was driving around a countless people in restaurants. eating theirch l and watching the hearing. >> people for and ainst judge kavanaugh made their voices heard. demonstrators on both sides converged on the hill. chris gordon continues our coverageith a look outside the hearing room today. >> reporter: inside the building demonstrators chanting, showing support for survivors. g thisup of holton arms graduates standing with dr. ford whose accusations kavanaugh go back to her student days. >> i'm an alum and we're here today on support our fellow
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alum, dr. christine blasey ford. we want her voice to be heard. we want her to te lned to. >> these current students taking their day off school to see history in the making. >> our school teaches to us advocate for ourselves,su orting dr. ford and using voice.n >> these supporters of judge ting on the monst sidewalk outside the hearing and gathering in the lobby. the participant coming to the capitol from across the country. >> we want fairnesor him. he cannot be the punching bag for every woman that has bn hurt. we must have due pelosi and fairness for everyone. men a women. >> i stand with kavanaugh. i believe him to be confirmed. i believe he'll be a good justice and believe he needs to be on the court. >> these demstrators supporting survivors walking through corridors to the dirksen office building. filling elevators, being turned away saying they are not allowed
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on the oo the group filled stairwells to stand in silent protest. some are saying that this hearing is divisive. but for the most part, the people w spoke with today are showing respect for one evother. those who have opposing points of view. that's the latest live at the u.s. capitol. back to you. >> all right. thank you. here's more evidence of how big of an event this was today. for much of the early partf the proceedings, all the top ten trends on twitter were about this hearing. the trends included kavanaugh, dr. ford, feinstein, rachel mitchell, that's the prosecutor asking the questions. the t trending stories in washington and across the country. >> our coverage of this historic hearing is just getting started. stay with news4.'l wel go back to the hearing when it picks up. >> as for president trump, he has postponed his highly
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anticipated meeting with embattled rod rosenstein until next week the president decided to move that meeting so it wouldn't enter gear the kavanaugh hearing today. he is discussing whether rosenstein secretly tried to invoke the 2thamendment. yesterday the president said he would prefer tonight fire rosenstein. he is overseeing the investigation into russian we are tracking more rain and the threat some of flooding.>> camelia is in the weather center. you'vethssued a w alert? >> yes. most of russ under a flood watch and that will be until tomorrow morning. some pockets of moderate rain on far western maryland and down into northern virginia. the rain will continue not just during the evening hours but overnight. into tomorrow morning as well. and because of that, and how
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saturated the ground is, we're all under a flood watc >> all right.pt >> the resn of testimony.
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you said today that mark dge was a friend of yours from high school. dr. ford said he was in the room when you were attacked and she says you were, too. the fbi has never interviewed him. the chairman refuses to call sm. if she ising mark judge was in the room then, he suld be in the room today. would you want him called as a witness? >> senator, this allegation came into the committee -- >> i'm just asking the question. here asu want him to a witness? >> he has already provided sworn testimony.
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this allegation has been hidden by the committee -- >> it has not been investigated by the fbi. the committee has rused to allow it to be. >> it was sprung -- >> it was not investigated by the fbi and he has not been >> it should have been handled in the due course when it came in. >>ould disagree with that. i've been on the committee 44 years. both republicans and democrats. i've never seen somebody critical not allowed to be here. called to be testified or an fbi back ground. >> he's provided sworn testimony. senator, let me finish. the allegation cam in weeks ago and nothing was done with it by the ranking member. and then i sprung on me. >> i've heard your line and you say it over and over again. and that i have well in mind.
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he referenced kavanaugh borrowing someone's car and passing out. is that youhat he's talking about? >> senator, markudge was -- >> to your knowledge, is that you that he's talking about? >> i'll explain if you'll let me. >> proceed, please. >> mark judge was a friend of ours in high school who a develope very serious drinking problem, an addtion problem that lasted decades and was very difficult for him to escape from. and he nearly died. and then he had leukemia as well on, top of it. asart ofis therapy, or part of his coming to grips with ie so, he wrote a book that is a fictionalized book and an account. i think he picked out names of friends of ours to throw them in
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as kind of close to, forar ters in the book. so we can sit here -- >> we don know whether that's you or not. >> we can make fun of some guy whoas an addiction but i don't think that's really good. >> i'm trying togh get a str answer from you under oath. are you the kavanaugh that he's referring to? >> you would have to ask him. >> i agr with you there. that's why i wish that the chaian had him here under oath. now, you talked aut your year book. you talked about drinking and sexual exploits. >> let me take a step back and h school. i was number one in the class.
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no,no, no. i'll going to talk about my high school -- no,. >> let him answer. >> i'm going to talk about my high school record if you're going to sit here and mock i. hink we were all very fair to dr. ford. shouldn't we be just as fair to justice kavanaugh? >> i busted my butt in em acs. i tried to do the best i could. as i recall i finished number one in the class. freshman and junior year, right at the top with steve clark. we were in the mix. i played sports. i was captain of the vsity basketball team. i was wide receiver and defensive back on e football team. i ran track in the spring of '82 to try to get faster. i did my service projects with the school which involved going to soup kitchen downtown. let me finish. and going to tutor intellectually disabled kids at the rockville library. with the church and yes, we got together with
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our friends. >> does this year book reflect your focus on academics and your respect for women? that's easy. you don't have to filibuster your answer. >> i already said -- >> wait a minute. he's asked the question.im i'll give youanswer it. >> the year book a i said in my opening statement was something where the students and editors made a decision to treat some of it as farce and some of it as exaggeration, some of it not reflecting the things were the center part of our school yes, of course we went to parties and the yea book page describes that and makes fun of it knand, you , if we want to sit here and talk about whether a supreme court nominldion she based on a high school year boo page.
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i think that's taking us to a new level of absurdity. >> we've got a filibuster but not a single answer. miss mitchell. >> why, do you still he your calendar? >> i do. k at would like to you l the july 1st entry. >> yes. >> the entrysays, and i quote, go to timmy's for skis with jutoe, pj, bere and squee. >> that's a nickname. >> to what does this refer and to whom? >> so, first, tobis houseworkout. that's one of the football workouts that we would have that would be run for guysn e football team during the summer. so it would be there.
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usually six to eight or so, until dark. then it looks like we went to timmy's. do you want last names too? >> if you could just identify,a is judge judge? >> it is. >> and is pj, pj smyth? >>is it >> it's tim gaudette pj smyth, chris garrett. >> chris garrett is ue >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely documen social gatherings, like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar >> yes. it certainly appears that way. that's what i was doing ithe summer of 1982. you can see that reflected on several of the entries. >> if a gathering like dr. ford has described occurred, would you have documented that?
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>> yes. because i documented everything, those kindsf events, even small get-togethers, august 7, a good example where i documented a small get-together that summer. so yes. >> august 7th. >> go to becky's. matt. denise, laurie, jenny. >> have you reviewed this for may, june, july and august of 1982?. >> i ha >> is there anything that could even remotely fit what we're talking about in terms of dr. ford's allegatns? >> no.
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>> as a lawyer and a judge,u,re e talked about the fbi. are you aware that this type of fect would actually be investigated by local police? >> yes. i mentioned the montgomerol countye earlier. yes. >> are you aware in maryland, there is no statute of limitations that would prohibit you being charged even if this happened in 1982? >> that's my understanding. >> have you a any time been contacted by any members of local police agencies regarding this matter? >> no, ma'am. >> you tabout the female clerks you've had and the women you worked with. m not just talking about them. i'm talking about globally, b he you evn accused, either formally or informally of
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unwanted sexual behavior? >> no. when i say informally, i mean a female complaint. it doesn't have to be to anybody else but you. >> no. >> since dr. ford's allegation was me public, how many times have you been interviewedy the committee? >> it's been three or four. i'm trying to remembe now. it has been several times. each of these new things, absurd as they are, we would getn e phone and kind of go through them. >> so have you submitted to interviews specifically about dr. ford's allegations? >> yes. >> what about deborah ramirez' allegation that you waived your penis in front of her? >> yes. >> what about julie swetnick's allegation that y repeatedly engaged in drugging and gang
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raping or allowing women to be gang raped? >>yes. yes, i've been interviewed about it. >> were your answers to my questions consistent with the answers that you gave to the committee in these various rv inws? >> yes, ma'am. >> thank you. judg kavanaugh, earlier today dr. christine fatd sat in same chair and under oath she saidlearly and unequivocall that she was the victim of sexual assault at your hands. she answeredur questions directly and she didn't flinch at the prospect of submitting herself to an fbi investigation ofch these ges. we know and i'm sure she's been advised by her attorney that's a person lying to the fbi can face criminal prosecution. you have clearly and unequivocally denied that you assaulted dr. ford. hath statement, you must believe that there is no credible evidence or any w credibness that could prove otherwise.
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you started off with an impassioned statement at the beginning and i can tryimn ine what you've been through and your family has been through and i'm sure i wouldn't get close to it. >> no, you wouldn't. >> no. it's an impassioned atent. and in the course of it, you said i welcome any kind of investigatio i quote you. i welcome any kind of investigation. got a suggestion for you. right now. turn to your left ithe front row. to don mcgahn, counsel to donald trump. ask him to suspend this hearing and nomination process until the fbi completes the investigation of the charges made by dr. ford and others and go to bring the witnesses forward and provide thma infon to this hearing. i am sure that the chairman at at point will understand that that is a reasonableequest to finally put to rest these charges if they are false or to prove them if they are not.
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you spent two years in the white house office that approved nominees. you turned to the fbi over and over and over again for their work. let's bring them in here? now. rn to don mcgahn and say it is time to get this done. the fbi investigation is the only way to answer these questions. stop the clock. >> this committee is running this hearing. not the white house. not don mcgahn. not even you as a nominee. we are here today because dr. ford asked for an opportunity to be heard. i know youid too. maybe even before she did. we're her p becauseple wanted to be heard from charges that they all thoht were unfair or activities, like sexual assault, was unfair. so i want to assure senator es
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durbin, regar of what you say to senator don mcgahn, we're not susnding this hearing. proceed to answer the question. >> i'll just say this. if you, judge kavanaugh,d tur to don mcgahn and this committee and say for the sake of my putation, my family name and to get to the bottom of the truth of this, i am not going to be an obstacle to an fbi investigation. i would hope all the members of the committee will say we'll ide by your wishes and we will have that investigation. >> i almost whatever the committee wants to do. i'm telling the truth. >> i'm telling the true. >> i want to know what you think. >> i'm innocent. they don't reach conclusions. you reach the conclusions. >> they could investigate questions. you can't have it both ways, judge. you can't say at the beginning -- >> look -- i welcome an
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investigation. this thing was sprung at the last minute after being held by staff, you know. and i called forri a h immediately. >> if there is no truth to her arges, the fbi investigation will show that. are you afraidhat they might not? ho the fbi does not -- you know that's a question. the fbi doesn't reach conclusions. they just freeway 302s. so i can explain to people who don't blank that is. they just go and do what you're uedoing. askions and type up a report. they don't reach the bottom line.ed >> i a but this incident where she ran into mark judge at safeway. and she said sure, i remember. six or eight weeks after the occurrence. some at the "waweington post" and looked at mr. judge's to, and they've been able what he wrote about his addiction and alcoholism. and they have narrowed it down to a period of time. six or eight weeks after the
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event. and he would have been working at the safeway at that pontt. the p'm getting to, we can at least connect some dots here. why would you resist that investigation? why would you resist the investigation? >> sir, i welcome, i wanted the hearing last week. >> i'm asking about the fbi investigation. >> the committee figures out how to ask the questions. i'll talk on -- >> will you a support fbi investigation right now? >> i will do whatever the committee wants. >> personally. do you think that's the best thing for us to do? you won't answer. >> look,senator, i've said i wanted a hearing. i saidme would wel anything. i'm innocent. this thing was held, held when it could have been presented in the ordinary way. it could have been held and
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handled confidentially at first which is what dr. ford's wishes were, as i understand this, and it wouldn't have desoyed my family like this effort has. tnk an fbi investigation will help all of us on both sides of the issue. >> senator graham asked f the floor. before he does, it seems to me that if you want to know something, you have the witness right hereo askhim. and secondly, if you want an fbi report, you can for it yourself. i've asked for fbi reports in the past. in the 38 years i've been in the se senator graham. >> are you aware tha a 9:23, on the night of july 9th day you were nominated to the supreme court by president trump, senator schumer said, 2 minutes after the nomination.
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i will oppose judges kavanaug nomination with everything i ha. i have a bipartisan ma, i hope a eipartisan majority will do the same. takes are simply too high to do anything less. if you weren't aware of it, you are now. did you meet with senator diannj feinstein oy 20th. did you know her staff had already recommended a dr. ford?o >> i did not know that. herid you know that her and staff have the allegations for over 20 days? >> i d not know that at the time. >> if you wanted an fbi investigation, you could have come to us. what you want to do is destroy igthis guy'sof. hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. you've sd that. not me. gize e got nothing to apo for. when you see societhem, i voted.
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i would never do what you are doing to this guy. this is most unethical sham since i've been in politics. if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you have doneo is guy. are you a gang rape snift. >> no. >> you and your family are going through. you want power. i hope you never get it. i hope the american people can see through this sham. that you know about it and you held it. you had no intention of protecting dr. ford. she is as much of a vicm as you are. god, i hate to say it. these have been myfriends. let me tiell you,om when it to this. you're looking for a fair process, you came to the wrong town at the wrong do you consider this a job interview? >> the advice and consent
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role -- >> do you consider you've beenu th a job interview? >> i've been through a process. >> would you say you've been hell?gh >> i've been through hell and then some. >> this is not aob interview. this is hell. this is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward because of this crap. your high school year book. you have interacted with professional women all your life. not one accusation. you're supposed to be bill cosby when you're a junior and senior in high school. and all of a sudden you got over it. it's been my understanding that if you drug women and rape them for two years in high school, you probably don't stop. here's my understanding. if you lived a good life, people would recognize it.
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like the american bar association has the gold standas. integrity is absolutely unquestioned. he is the very circumspect in his personal conduct, harbors no bias or prejudice, he is entirely ethical, a really decent person,wa he is , friendly, unassuming, he is the nicest person. the aba. one thing i can tell you you should be proud of. actually, you should be proud of this. at you raised a daughter who had the good t character pray for dr. ford. to my republican colleagues, if you vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing i have seen in my time in potics. u want this seat? i hope you never get it. i hop you're on the supreme court. that's exactly where you suld be. and i hope that the american
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people will see through this charade. and i wish you well. and i intend to vote for you and iope everybody who is fair-minded will. >> senator? >> sll we let things settle a little after that? >> we'll take a60-second break. >> i'm good. i'm good. >> one of the reasons, mr. kavanaugh, that we are looking at the year book is that it is relatively consistent in time with the events at issue here. and because ito appears your words. is it in fact your words on your year book page? >> we submitted things to theit s and i believe they took them. i don't know if they changed things or not. >> you're not aware of any
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anges. >> i'm not aware one way or the other. i won'tan sit her contest that. have at it if you want to go through myear book. >> i'm actually interested. lawyers should working off of common terms and understand the words that we're using. i think that's a pretty basic prinwyple among s. wouldn't you agree? >> if you're worried about my year book, he atit, senator. >> let's look at beach week ralph club biggest contributor. what does the word ralph mean? >> that probably means to throwing up. i'm known for having a weak stomach. you asked me about having ketchup on spaghetti. >> you didn't. someone did. and this is well known. anyone who has known me, where
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it is with beerr spicy food. >> so the vomiting younc refe in the ralph club reference related to the consumption o alcohol. >> i was the top of my class academical. i busty butt in school. captain of the varsity basketball team. i got into yale college. i got into yale law i worked my tail off. >> i already answered the question. >> did it relate to alcohol? >> i like beer. do you likebeer, senator, or not? what do you like the drink? at do you like? >> the next one is, i don't know isif i buffed? how do you pronounce that in. >> that refers to flatulence.
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we were 16. >> so when your friend mark judge put the same thing in his year book page back to you, it was the same thing. flat'tence. >> i dnow what he did. that's my recollection. when we talked aleut flae on a year book page, i'm game. you mentioned the renata? >> it is spelled with an everybody at the end. >> and then is the word alumnius. what does that mean? >> i explained that in my opening statement. she was a good friend of ours. she hung out with us as a group. the media circus that has beete gene by this thought in reported that it refers to sex. it did not. as she herself said on the record, there was no sexual intection with r.
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sd i'm sorry, how that has been misinterpreted ary about that, as i explained in my opening statement. she's a good person. and to have her name dragged through this hearing is a joke. >> devil's triangle? >> drinking game. >> how is it played? >>hree glasses in a triangle. >>and? >> did you ever play quarters? >> no. >> okay. >> it's a quarters game. >> asteou can , ann had a party on the fourth of july on the beach in dela>>re. nd there are like, one, two, three, four, seven fs in front of the fourth of jul what does that signify? >> one of our friends when he said the f word had a wind up to
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it.f kind a fff. out.the word would come when we were 15 we thought that was funny. it became an inside joke. you respond, who won anyway o who won that game anyway. should we draw anyn conclus that a loss of recollection associated with alcohol was involved and you not knowing who won the games. . >> that's not inconsistent with drinking and remembering. >> i'm aware. and the point of both was we in he is wrens having a party and didn't payttention to the ga
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game. >> i can't think of a more embarrassing scandal for the united statesenate since the mccarthy hearings. >>o sense of decency. i'm afraid we've lost that, at least for the time being. you understand, you've been accused of multiple crimes? >> i'm painfully aware from my family andme, to read about this. >> of course the sexual assault that dr. ford claims, that you've nied. then the claims of miss ramirez,
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that not even "the new york times" would report because they couldn't corroborate it. and then stormy daniels' lawyer released a bombshell. fccusing you of gang rape. all those are crimes. are they not? >> they are. >> and i'm never goinget to my reputation back. my life is totally and permanently altered. >> judge, don't give . >> i'm not giving up. nd the american people are listening to this they will playing their decision and i think you'll come out on the rightside. >> i will always be a good person and try to be a goo judge. whatever happens. >> this is not a job interview. you've been accused of ae. cr if you have lied to the committee and the investigators, that is a crime in and of itself, correct? >> that's correct. >> so in order to vote against your nomination, we would have toe concl that you are a
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serial liar. d you have exposed yourself to legal jeopardy in the way, in your interwax this committee is e investigators. isn't that correct? >> that's my >> you talked in your interview the other night about a fair process. some ofuey colle say, well, the burden is not on the accuser because this is a job interview. the burden is on you. but youaid you weren't there and it didn't happen. it is impossible for to you aprove negative. so i would suggest you've been accused of a crime andhat a fair process under the unitid states cotion, our notion of fair play means the people who make anccation against you means you have to come forward with some evidence. isn't that part of a fair process? >> yes, senator. here d part of that means
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needs to be corroboration. you're not guilty because somebody makes an accusation against you in this country. we're not a police state. we d give the government that kind of power. we insist. i know we're not in a i'urt. told my colleagues, if we were in court, half would be in contempt of court.t ou have been accused of a crime. and i believe fundamental notions of fair play require that if someone will make accusation against you, they need toome forward with some corroboration. not just allegations. and you're right to be angry about the delays in your ability to come here and protect your good name. in the interim, it keeps getting worse. it is not dr. ford. this story tha e notn "the
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new york times" would report, the accusations of ms. ramirez and then stormy daniels comes up with this most sordid conduct. it is outrageous and you're right to be angry. this is your time to tell your story and i home you have a chance t tell us everything you want to tell us. the burden is not on you to disprove the allegations made. e burden under our system, when you accuse somebody of criminal nduct, is on the person making the accusation. now, i understand this isn't a trial. but i just want to make suree understood. it is hard to reconstruct what happened 36 yea ago and i appreciate what you said about dr. ford. that perhaps she has had an incident at some point in her

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