this sunday, confirmation fallout. brett kavanaugh wins a seat on the court in the closest vote since 1881. >> the ais are 50, nays are 48. >> i stand before you today on the heels of a tremendous victory, for our ation, our people. >> this, after angry testimony. w thisle two week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit. >>ngry debate. >> this is the most unethical sham since i've been in politics. >> anger at the fbi investigation. >> if that's an investigation, a eep investigation. >> angry protesters and a senate

speech that sealed the deal. >> i will vote to confirm judge kavanaugh. >> what effec will this nasty battle have on the court, the senate and the november elections? joining me this morning, republican sator, lamar alexander of tennessee and from laware. the too founder, and actor and tivist, melissa m, whose tweet started it. kasie hunt and the american enterprise stut and nbc news presidential historian, michael beechloss. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, longest running show in television history, this ist "me press" with chuck

todd. >> good sunday morning. in the end a closely divided country elected a closely divided senate which t a closely divided vote that has left the country, you guessed it, closely divided. brett kavanaugh was confirmed b the senate, -48 yesterday after the closest vote since stanley matthews, you remember him, confirmed in 1891. it pitted republicans against democrats, men against women, accused against the accuser and trump loyali against trump detractors. though the fight is over, the i bitterme likely to endure and so are the questions we're left with. will kavanaugh's confirmation create a bggerthan expected blue wave from democrats or republicans generating a republican come bac will the supreme court be permanently maged by the way brett kavanaugh made it across the finish line and his last week and will he find

himself the target of future investigations if de ccrats win batrol of congress. it was for president trump. the supreme court, brett kavanaugh, christine blasey foul,mately confidence in the integrity of our political process. >> on this vote, the ayes are 50, nay are 48. >> the closest supreme court confirmation vote in 137 years ends a bitter fight over kavanaugh's nomination. >> they have ecouraged mob rule. >> that's anig inveion is a bull -- investigation. >> wh don't weocument water and see if he floats. >> he's speaking about left wing conspiracies. >> ultimately it was decided by self proclaiming accecentrists.

>> i will vote to con foirm judge kavanaugh. >> i do not believe it will be >> do you think there is a place for him? >> i'm just a good old west virginians. >> likely to deepen. at a rally in kansas last night, president trump declared >> radical democrats launched a disgraceful campaign too delay demolish and destroy. brett kavanaugh is a man of great character and intellect. he's like a perfect person. for mr. trump,hhe kavana vote has presented an opening to launch a new battle in the culture war weeks before te mis. >> it's a very scary time for young men in america. >> and ridiculed dr. ford. >> how did you get home?

i don't remember. >> are you 100% certain ford named the wrong pers ? >> i'm100%. no doubt. >> we thought it was bad back in 1991. it's even worse today, the political climate and how women are tated. >> e amid the meat too e, you think it's worse now than back then? >> i can only go by what we've seen the past month >> the next will be decided at the ballot box. some democrats are already promising investigations of kavanaugh if they are in control. >> if isn the supreme court and the senate hasn't investigated the house will have a. >> republicannd senate states mr. trump won are running ads to sustain this base energy the kavanaugh might produced. >> >> the liberal smear, they are doing it again, what we hate most about washington. >> meanwhile in the house where many toss-up races are in suburban districts a number of democratic candidates are

talking about g and some making the issue of sexual assault part of their campaigns. >> i lucky i was able to fight my way out of it. but i'm also six feet tall. i was walking with my keys between my >> joining me now is republican senator lamar alexand of tennessee. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to see you. >> let me start by playing something dr. ford said at her testimony about her basic initial fear about coming forward and get you to react to it. >> i was calculating daily the risk benefit for me of coming forward and wondering whether i would just be jumping in front of a train headed to where it was headed anyway. >> thateeling she was essentially now being mowed dowh by a fr train. >> i can't put myself in her shoes. ine can ima anyone who believes they were a victim of sexual assault first has that to live with and second, the

difficultygf com before a public audience, particularly one that large must be terrifying, as she said, i believe that. >> did you believe her? >> i thought she was credible. >> what does that meanto you? >> what that meant was if listening to her was all i had to do, i would have said, she's -- she seems to believe what she believes. that's not all i had to for example, this week, i went down for a weeko read the fbi reports. i read six fbi rerts between 1993 and 2018. 150 peoplenterviewed about judge kavanaugh, in every case the interviewee was asked do you know of any instance ofalcohol abuse, the answer in every case was no. there was no evidence by any of these people of behavior that had anything to do with sexual impropriety, so you have to consider that. and you also have to consider

the fact that the only person who remembers e alleged incident that dr. ford describes is dr. foe . her four said, under penalty of perjury, that itt either didappen or they didn't remember it. so you have to be fair about it, in a very difficult case. you have to consider that as well as her testimony. >> what do you think ended up happening. why do you think she remembered it this way? >> i don't know the answer. >> she said 100% she was 100% it was brett kavanaugh. >> i'm sure every sexual assault case i usually he said she said, except in this case it was he said she said they said. they were the witnesses she said were there all said it either didn't happen or they didn't remember it, one of whom is one of her best friends. >> i want to play for you somethg one of your colleague, senator murkowski ended up voting no. here's what she said about this

situation. >> i believe heod is a g man, it just may be that in my view, he's not the rightan for the court at this time. i also think that we' at a place where we need to be thinki again about the credibility and integrity of our institutions. >> thiss the larger concern a lot of us are wondering about now and she also in her floor speech talked about the issue of public confidence the concern shas justice kavanaugh does not have public confidence. >> it would be hard to have public confidence if through an inquisition like he did, arranged by the democrats. if you go down and read six fbi investigations of him over 25 years, and see not just the bad t ings that were not said ab him but the remarkably good things that were said about him,

you would be very glad he would be on the supreme court and it would be fundamentally unfair to allow people to make accusations against someone and by simply doing that, destroy their reputation and their opportuniti to ser public life. >> i the aftermath of this when judge kavanaugh was defending himself. he himself apparently admits he went over the line in some of the things he said. it was interesting to hear retired justice john paul stevens react to that. i want toh play sound for you and get you to react here he is. >> he has demonstrated a potential bias involving enough potential litigants before the court that he would not be able to perform full responsibilitie'. i think th merit in that criticism. >> it's clear to me judge kavanaugh was concerned enough about this he wrote the op-ed. is that enough? or does he need to do more?

>> i think that's enough. someone said to me, my answer to that is, if you had a group of people deliberately trying to destroy your reputation with accusations you know aren't true theevery rumor about you is most awful kind of accusation, you're not going to sit there calmly andake that. you will defend yourself against people deliberately tryin to damage and destroy you. that's what he did. i think the fact he did that is the reason he'sn the court. i think if he had sat there and taken it the peopleha would been very suspicious. go back to those fbi investigations >> you say has in a box, that if he didn't deny outrageous -- >> all the people interviewed over 25 years said his demeanor was excellent. the americanss bariation said his demeanor is excellent. if he's under assault, he fights back. >> talk to me about thenited states senate. you did something seven years ago, you said, i will resign from my leadership post because

you said, you can't be in leadership and work across the aisle, on one hand obvious and disconcerting,bit when you admitted that reality. the things gotten better in last 10 years or things gotten worse in the united states senate? >> they're worse. look at the senate like a split screen television. on one screen you would have seen kavanaugh trump tweets et cetera. on the other, half democrats, half senators passing landmark opioid legislation that affects millions of people. you would have seen record funding for biomedical research, science, technology, super computing the biggest increase in military in 15 year you'd have seen a bill for flying makingr airplanes sa all in the past three weeks. the senate is doing a pretty good jobts in problem solving capacity. >> but the one place it has a problem is judicial nominations. let me askyou this. democrats, chuck schumer and

kick durbin saidra if dem get control of the senate they would consider restorg the filibuster. you were somebody who didn't want to see it go away in the first place. if it comes back, will you support keeping it for judicial nomis. >> wait a minute. we have never had a requirement -- the practice has always been that judicial nominations were approved by 51 votes. there's never been a suiceme court juwho had to get 60 votes with the exception of abe fortus. even santa clara reince thomas was 52-48. chuck schumer was the onede u george bush insisted george bush nominees get 60 votes. >> obviously, it's one of these sides -- >> there never has been -- >> you want to see it restored, the 60 vote threshold to end debate which would force more consensus nominees. >> no, not for nominations. we never had that. on federal judges in the history of t united states senate, no

federal judge has been denied their seat by a 60 vote requirement, they've a been majority votes. i know because mitch mcconnell wanted to do it once and i stopped him by getting enough republicans to d tit. >> what consequence of a p judiciary made of judges confirmed 51-49. >> if you consider the united states of america is a success, that's the right w to do it. ever since we had the united states senate with thomasever son judges have been approved with 51 votes. clarence thomas was 52-48. you could have required 60 votes but no one ever did. >> thank you for coming out and appreciate your views. good toee you. joining me from wilmington, from the other side perspective, good to seeou. thank you. good to see you. >> justice kavanaugh is on the

supreme court. it's an electionhe year, subcommittee process was fleeing. he lied und oth. credible allegations of sexual misconduct. why di a democrats lose of those arguments? >> frankly, i felt like this process was unfair from the very outset. the way wewere prevented from seeing literally millions of pages judge kavanaugh's record from his service in the bush administration to the way he process went forward in t confirmation hearing, to some of how it unfolded last week. i'm focused looking forward how it is we can heal the senate after this bitter and divisive and partisan week or how we work to restore some of thema legi of the supreme court now that we have a seated justice confirmed by justice 50 votes without allegations against him having really been cleared. >> it seems as w if youe almost working as a go between to the undecided mbers,

particularly obviously with jeff flake. were you trying to convince him to vote no? >> look, going into this, i knew jeff is a conservative. he wants a conservative supreme court. i knew that would likely be the outcome. i think there are good reasons to have doubts about now justice kavanaugh's candor to the committee and fitness to serve given his very partisan screen s in the hearing in front of the judiciary committee last friday.ry i wasn'tg to persuade senator flake or others not to vote tir conscienceand not to reflect their states and values in electing a conservative judge, i was trying to help him focus what legitimate questions there we about this particular conservative judge. >> let me get your response to senator collins floor speech in her yes vote. >> i have been alarmed and disturbed, however, ome who have suggested that unless judg'

kavana nomination is ejected, the senate is somehow condoning sexual assault. nothing could be further from the truth. >> do you agree with her or do you think a different message was sent? >> look, i respect senator ollins, she's a great colleague. we see this a little differently. i think the fbi investigation senator flake and worked hard together to make sure happened this past week did n go far enough. in only interviewing, according to press reports, 1 witnesses who came forward, and not interviewing dozens of corroborating witnes who tried to get in touch with the fbi who dr. frd offered to the fbi, i don't think this investigation went far enough and i don't think the members of the committee and senate who had to make a fin decision yesterday, had all the facts in front of them. in that regard i d't think we did enough. chuck, i do think one of the big things that came out of this hearing was that thousands o

survivors of assault who had kept to themselves for years or decades very painful experiences, did comerw d, and there are things we can and should do on a bipartin basis to respect and hear and act on, the oceans of pain that exist in our country from long buried tragic experiences of assault to try and change our culture and try and change our country. >> do you believe that the pt initial presn in a situation like this is to believe the victim at allimes? >> i think it's important that we change our country's culture one where we believe victims of sexual assault who come rward. that wasn't the case for most of my life. most victims of sexual assault didn't come forward because they thought they would beshamed or ridiculed, and ultimately disbelieved. i think one of the biggestie tragof this past week was to watch the president of the united states publicly mocking and ridiculing dr. ford.

his initial response which was to say that her testimony was credible and compelling was where should have stopped. but to instead turn it into a campaign rally or event where he was mocking her i think really brought this entire conversation down and really was a low in his presidency. >> but you went a little further than others have msaid,y backing now justice kavanaugh said he ought to be treated as he's innocent until proven guilty. you disagreed. you said, the burden is on him to disprove the allegations against him. there are aofot people that hear that going, whoa, wait a minute. >> rig. >> i'm guilty until proven innocent? >> let me speak to that, chuck, if i can. this is a confirmation hearing. no one is entitled to a seat on the supreme court. it's not criminal trial, it's more like a job hearing, moreke job interview. the president has a whole series of credentialed and qualified conservative judges from among whom he could choose to put

someoneof forward to the senat the united states for confirmation. if there are credible allegations against this particular nomine and if this particular nominee, in his confirmation process conducts himself in a way there are real questions about candor, partisanship, fitness, i think it's appropriate for the committee, the senate to say, perhaps a different nominee is the right one. if you're considering someone to be president of a university, ce o sa compaa university and h a sunday show, it would make sense to take steps back to investigate them a see if you can resolve them. that's why i was happy senator flake took a tough step last week and asked for an fbi investigation. >> let me get your comment about earlier th week wh he believed things changed in this whole kavanaugh debate. take a listen. >> i think this process changed

dramatically when m avenatti entered the picture. i think a lot of people, oc including my dtic colleagues felt like then at that point we had gotten into the foothil of preposterous. >> he was referring to lawyer michae avenatti, who is thinking about running for w presiden ended up representing somebody whose allegations have not been seen as credible as the other two allegations. do you agree with his political assessment there, that the avenatti's entrance into thiso sideshow of diluted everything? >> i certainly like senator kennedy's turn of phrase, the foothills of the presterous is going to end up being a memorable phrase. i do think he is correct there was widespread response, certainly on the republican side these were notredible allegations. i tried to focus my questioning of judge kavanaugh on things directly relatedir to his

judicial philosophy, his extreme views on presidential power and liberty and wys i think he will overturn justice kennedy's most recent decisions and focus on fitness and candor. i think what was important about the last two weeks was trying to find a bipartisan focus on facts. the larger estion, how do we move forward? how do we heal the divisioe in nate. >> i take it if you're talking that way, the house democratslk g about reinvestigating kavanaugh if they get control of thehouse, possibly looking at impeachment. what do you think of those pledges coming from some house mocrats? >> i think that's premature. we are franklyust leshan a month away from an election, folks who feel very strongly onr wa the other about the issues in front of us, should get out and vote and participate. there's only ever been one justice that's been impeached. i think talking about it at this point isn't necessarily healing

us and moving us forward. the senate's role in our politics is not to just reflect the country but help heal and lead the country andhat's the course we should be on. >> senator coons,emocrat from delaware, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. when we come back, i there any way to heal these wounds from this conrmation fight and how mi ♪ ignition sequence starts. 10... 9... guidance is internal. 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ♪

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agree on one thing, a broken senate. here are republicans talk about this process. a sad charade. embarrassment to the senate. rrible process, lisa murkowski. almost rock bottom. hit bottom and started to. b process has been bad. failure of this body. a sham process.sc chuck mer, one of the most sordid processes. ere's some unity in the united states senate. >> a unity in that it's all a mess. i've been covering congress 10 year andemtruggling tober a point that feels lower than this one. i think ere are very real questions among the people st committed and senator coons you just talked to i would put in that category and republicans in that category as well. people have real doubts about what the role of the senate is going to be going forward. there's a lot of people you can blame for that. your line of questioning about

judicial nominees is one of them. it started with democrats in harry reid when he took away the filibuster for circuit court judges and got lower when mitch mcconnell did it for the supreme court nominations. i wish i could say it won't get lower. >> if you look back to ruth nsberg received over 90 votes and another unanimous and it's like we moved the bar how we confirm consent. and we have to figure out how we'reoing to redefine it and live within those parameters. lastly, i was fg a sw vote, for somebody to replace anthony kennedy, who would be like anthony kennedy. there is some potential candidates forthat. i don't know that advice and consent would allow you as a t senator to to enforce that kind of thing. it's complicated.

>> danny, i think th days of a swing justice are gone, right? it wil e be whicr party has the senate and presidency will probably put their side on. >> the outset, that's absolutely true. we saw withl john p stevens, ngere's a lot of growth in office a justices. >> i think the federalist society is trying to bring an end to that. >> we've just been talking about the fact chief justice roberts is one people view a lot as a potential swing vote. theseof are people great intelligence, great integrity, great legalthepth. notion they are incapable for political reasons of looking at evidence, looking athe constitution and drawing proper conclusions is wrong. this process, apart from anything else, has demeaned the t, not by putting justice kavanaugh on it but by discussing theourt as if it is a play thing of national politics. >> michael, bring thater

historicalective to that. it's not the first time we had this with these fights with the court. i do think now there is this perception, oh, those robes are red and blue, they're not black anymore. >> it has gotten really ugly. i wa looking back at clarence thomas, 1991, not an exact a parall allegations against him were actually milder than those against now justice kavanaugh. that was a time that there was hugety animo toward clarence thomas and there was a discussion actually at the time, that perhaps the court is ca getting poliand this is -- sometimes history really does rhyme. the thing i really missed yesterday was 1991, the kay that clarence thomas was confirmed, george h.w.bush, preside of the united states said, this has 'men ugly, this is really a time for healing, going to try. clarence thomas came out on the front step of his houai and the same thing. there shouldn't be anger, i thinks there should be an age of healing. >>et me putp something amy

walter wrote, my friend at the cook polital report. this battle isn't unique to the trump era. simply t n latest in aer ending war by both sides to justice their partisan behavior. voters aren't making distinctions on policy or procedure or hypocrisy either, they rally behind their team and rally for war in the future. essentially the body politic left and right has tually embraced the trump style of politics. >> i think that's absolutely true. you saw that when you saw lisa murkowski go to the floor af she voted no and there was nobody hardly in the chamberwa hing her and nobody to applaud her. she was the one who took the stand and said we need to be viewing this dif there aren't many republicans who are doing that anymore. even those giving lip service to civility, ben sasse, jeff flake, first of all, what will they actually do?

will they run against the president? seconds of all, will there be any voteronstituency behind that. i'm not convinced. people have embraced this president from top bottom. i think the deeply personal nature of the opposition to this, i just -- i truly wonder if the republicans party realizes how this is going to play out over the longer term, with the way that women have felt about this. there were peopleke i tto day in and day out who really felt as though this was the highest levels of our institution doing exactly what they have been fighting against, they came forward and told their stories and the institution said to them, you don't matter. >> listen, dysfunction had begun before donald trump got to the white house and the congress. it reached new levels. the appeal to people's lower instincts by bot bases have caused things like violence in the streets, demonstrations on both sides that go beyond the pale. there's a recent that came

out about america from 1830 to 1860, "a field of blood," how that led to a civil war in america. i'm not sure we're not a leadin cold civil war and i'm not too sure during the trump era things won't get worse. we as a nation need to figure this out. >> i'm here to promote his book. a book just showed up yesterd e want to read it. >> i agree. i understand there was a lot of unhappiness about the vote. the notion that one personor one spokesman speaks for all women or i can tell you i was appalleisby because the notion somebody can bring down somebody's career on their word alone is t kind of license in our society i think is hugelydangerous. for mothers who have young son, can look at them going to school and anybodan bring them down. what kind of precedent are we setting? what kind of agency are we denying women? what kind of action are we taking against people who are

survivorl of sexsault and who have been hurt by this because smeone who wasn't really credible stood up and didn't have thero crating evidence from the people she suggested she had it from. >> i think the perception from some of these women that -- chris coons made the point about interview. many women as they grow up they're sent a message, you bet dear i cleaner and better than that guy. if you're the one who screws up you will p the price. there was the sense that judge kavanaugh in his life never had kito face that of consequence. >> i will pause it here and we will get another discussion ont e "me too" movement on the other side of the break. the woman who founded the "me comcast businessbuilt the 's largest gig-speed network. then went beyond. beyond chasing down network problems. to knowing when and where there's an issue. beyond network complexity. to a zero-touch, one-box world. optimizing performance and budget.

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welcomek. it was the tweet heard around the world. ie year ago the "new york times" ran front page story about movie producer harvey weinstein's sexual assaults. one of theeople reading about it washe actor alyssa milano. if you've been sexually

assaulted, write back me too to th sweet. e had kick started the quote #"me too" movement. and started by the actrss. milano easily seen on tv sitting behind kavanaugh. joining me now from southern california is alyssa milano and from new york, tarana burke. welcome to both of you. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having us. >> rana, let me start with you and play t quote from ford where she talked about coming out andsimply stepping in front of a train already headed to its destination. at are the repercussions of that? >> i mean, the repercussions are -- will remain to be seenk i ter stepping out was something that we needed to have happenn this movement. it's been largely focused on hollywd on individual bad

actors. hethink her coming forward really set stage for survivors to have a different role in this'v movement than w seen over the last year. >> alyssa milano, the journalist, sally quinn, wrote in her memoir last year about ap atd rape by now deceased senator, john tower, when she was a college student in the '60s. when he was nominated to be the defenssecretary in 1989, she was asked about it and she declined to talk about it with the fbi. a reporter at ne new yorker asked her aboutt. let me play and let me show you wrote.san i called sally quinn, ne night before christine blasey ford's testimony to ask her what sheou thought her own experience all niece later. she said, i could have been anita hill she pointed out but i didn't want to. i didn't want to ruin my life. nothing has changed since anita hi not a damn thing. is she right. i think a lot has changed and a lot hasn't changed.

yesterday, we may h ave lo political battle but i do think we are winning the cultural. batt often, i don't fight for the win, i'm fighting so that generations don't have to deal with the abuses of power we've had to deal with. in a respect, i think she is right, but i do think there is a lot going on. i think this cultural shift that collective g, this pain that we're feeling from is ivors coming forward going to be able to be translated into a collective power. to say that we're not going to be silence any longer. >> tarana burke, susan collins said she was really angry at the leaker about this story, it forced dr. ford into the public squa m andbe she wasn't ready or maybe it wasn't handle right. do you think the united states senate, in particular, senator feinstein, didn't handle this correctly fromhe outset and made dr. ford more vulneneble thanssary?

>> i wouldn't say she didn't handle it right. she followed the leadership of the survivor. people shouldn't have to be forced out of -- to tell their story. if she asked for ivy, i understand why senator feinstein decided to respect that privacy. think this is really indicative how we don't understand in this country thele life c of a survivor, and what it takes to actually mount up the courage to come forward, particularly in a situation like this. think it w handle fine. i wish that after it was revealed and after it was leaked it was handle better. >> alyssa milano, i want to get you to respond to what emily wrote in "the atlantic this week. the problem with #believesurvivors. even as we must treatccusers th seriousness and dignity we must hear out the accused fairly and respectfully and recognize the potential lifetime consequences.

and if the end is the search for truth, it is justice for religion. >> that's not what it means. >> what does that mean? >> i'm sorry. when we say believe survivors, t's not believe them without investigation, believe them without interrogation, we have set a precedent in thi country of not believing -- thinking women in particular are lying wh they come forward with these allegation, when people come forward with these the mantra about believe survivors, can we start with the premise people dot often lie about the pain and trauma of the pain of sexual violtce. if we st with that premise and believe it's true, then you can haveve an iigation and interrogation of the facts and that kind of thing. this is not toe sayeve people blanket and don't investigate and don't do anything else besides believe them. >> i als think -- i also think that right now, we are dining what due process looks like in this type of ituation because we've never really defined it before because women haven't come forward.

we do need to have due process, what does it mean to have fr investigation in these processes so we can move forward, so we can change the cultural and societal systemic institutionization of sexual abuse and assault. >> alyssa let me get you to react to something brett stephens wrote. i would rather be accud of murder than sexual assault. one can think of excuses for killing a man, none for assaulting a woman. ut if that's true, false accusing a person of sexual assault is nearly as despicable as sexual assault itself because it inflicts harms that can last a lifetime. >> these numbers are so low, as faa ase accusations and women coming forward, they're from 2-8%. that's not taking into account 70-80% ofis sexual assaul actually not reported at all.

so what we're looking at is very very small numbers. also, there's no gray area with murder, like, you don't like maybe -- you know, commit murder or maybe not. there is very distinct lines drawn. we'r itrying to dos define what those lines are so we can move forward in a way that is not hurtful and not more support of people that abuse their power than those that are being abused. >> all right. i will leave it tre for now. tarana burke and alys milano, thank you both for coming on. allasa o, i know you had to get up extraarly on the west coast, so thank you. >> you're worth wh. >> you're worth wh. >> ron! soh really? going on at schwab. thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms...again. and online equity trades are only $4.95...

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>> game," brought to you by boeing, continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. >> back now with "end game," the real obsession in washington, what kindf effect does kavanaugh have and where we might see it. four races to show you examples before kavanaugh and after. first, missouri, before the kavanaugh allegations and hearings, the race was tied. after, the race is tied. let's look at montana. before, tester with about a two point lead there. most recent poll since, tester with a fouroint lead. no real change there. let me go to darker red states. tennessee, fillha bredesen a lead before the hearings and now marsha blacurn, republican th five, a big swing there. north dakota, before kavanaugh

hearings began, after, now double digits, 12 point race. is this how your party sees it, whatever you think of it, this has fired up the base? >> here's how we see it. we see it as having secure dissent of majority in november 2018 for all the reasons you have stated. pretty much done, democrats won't win the senate? >> they will win a couple seats an five o more competitive seats, i don't see it happening. in the house, 23 seatsbl reans hold hillary clinton won, i think that will help demoy ats. i'd toss-up, i think the majority is likely tobe democrat now, leaning democrat, n spite of t things you stated regardingpennsylvania, which is very fascinating. kasie, is that the view on the hill, basically this is helping republicans in the senate and only making it's ra easier for dem in the house? >> that's the emerging

conventional wisdom in a place like tennessee, i've spoken to both senators from tenssee out this briefly, there's a sense it helped marsha blackburn there. one thing for democrats to take away from this asell, mitch mcconnell called the protesters a mob and he said the mob was t ab do what i couldn't do by myself, which is get republicans energized and invested w wh a clear win for democrats on enthusiasm is now definitely something of a ss p. in the house, you could be looking at instead of 23, 24, 25 seat majority for democrats, you could be looking at much higher numbers that could have pretty significant implications. >> danny, we were talking about sonthing else earlier the break, i want to bring in here, how the president has transformed not just his party but this entire town. everybody now conducts politics in his image, fight fight fight, deny deny deny, take it to your opponent, whatever it takes.

>> yeah. i don't think this is a word but the vulgarization of something that was pretty vulgar to start with in american politics. it's really unbelievable. eedonald trump has not isolated by his style or his manner or his antipathy towards so much of the political landscape, rather, he has just -- he's taken them along with him. to the irony,ust to come back to the mid-terms for a second, the ironys i think people even almost two years into donald trump's presidency, don't understand what helps donald trump. this kavanaugh stuff, the reaction to it -- >> helps him. >> -- helpsm. >> he was the big winner here. michael, itrant tosition to your book. you said, how do we transition to youridook. the prt has to do two things, appoint supreme court justices and go to war. page story as a front you get a scoop in the "new york

times," that's pretty darn good, sounds like you did interesting historical digging. is is about a nuclear response, general westmoreland, as if to add to his legacy, apparent wanted to bring nukes to the vietnam war. >> andl who obviously made so many terrible mistak in vietnam, he tellses moreland, i don'tant nuclear weapons in south vietnam, this could be the ends of thewar, get them out of here and the documents came out the last couple of years. >> if the president brought you in to brief him on his book andt said i w you to read it and what could he learn from it, what do you hope he could learn from it? >> number heone, saga of what it's like to be a war president, the marriages ofhese presidents, emotional breakdowns, where they live.

more im irtant, what would like to say to him, remember, know president should start a war for political reasons. in president trump'scase, he would send out tweets in 2011, warning americans, watch out, president obama is going to start a warin to the next election. not a great idea for a president to conne those two things. >> "presidents of war," michael, congrats. before we go, i want to remind everyone today we're kicking off the second annual "meet the press" film fest. tickets are sold out in washgton but you can see most films online. or you can check out n news on demand if you cut the cord here, it's on your cable x if you haven't cut the cord, apple tv, fire tv or roku. today.it for today.it for see you next week

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