this sunday the climate crisis. >> brace yourself for dangerous heat. >> the drought we're in is disastrousht everyone ougo be worried about it. >> rainfall amounts are staggering. >> about erything we own was destroyed. >> water rushing into the street. >> this is the eye wall hitting right nownd the strongest wind. >> and average temperatures in the ue. could increase anywh from 2 to 11 degrees. >> two fast-moving f estorms within miles of each other. >> you can seeow intense the flames are right now. >> the evidence is everywhere. >> that's my place so you can answer yourself. >> the science is settled. >> it wouldn't be better if the administration in washington didn't deny science. >> but the politics is not. >> climate change is al and

it is urgent problem that we need to bear down on. >> it's from outside here and it's very, very cold out and very unseasonal. mr.president, catch this. >> this morning we'll report on the challenge of climate change. the science, the damage to our environment, the cost and the politics. welcom to sunday and this special edition of "meet the press". nbc news, the longest-running show in television history. this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. goo sunday morning and a happy new year's weekend to everyone. we will do something that we don't often get to do. dive in on one it's obviously extraordinarily to do this as the end of this year has provene era of trump, but we're going to take an in-depth look regardless of that at a literally earth-changing subject that

doesn't g t talked abous early on television news, at least, climate change, but just as important as what we are going to do this hour i what we're not going to do. we're not going to debate climate change, the existence of it. andearth is getting hotter human activity is a major cause. period. we're not going to give time to climate climate deniers and t. and the blizzard means that it doesn't unless the h blizzards miami. we do have a panel of experts with us today to help us understa the science and consequences of climate change and, yes, ideas to eak the political paralysis over it. kate marvel is a sci atist columbia university and nasa's goddard institute for spacewr study anes the hot planet column. craig fugate led emergency response for b jebh of governor before that. michelle floornoy served under

president obama where she dealt with the national security threat climate changesh poses a s the co-founder and managing partner of west exec ann thompson is our chief environmental correspondent here at nbcews and congressman carlos cabello represents florida which is particularly threatened by climate chang and coming up i'll talk to michael bloomberg and jerry brown, both of whom have been dealing with climate change. we'll take a look arias that's been ignored for too long. >> the economic impact. >> i don't believe it. >> you don't believe it? >> no. i, i don't believe >> in a news nbc news/wall street journal poll two-thir of americans believe action is needed to address global climate change. 45% say the problem is serious enough for immediate action, a record climate-related disasters from wildfires. >> we lost a lot.

>> to more intense , stor extreme rain events and floods are getting worse. >> i just was in such denial. i didn't put anything up. i didn't grab anything. >> i saw the watermark in th basement and it was up to my nose. the drive down here was almost -- my place is gone. >> glaciers are disappearing and arctic ice melt is producing rising sea levels and re-writing obal weather patterns. all five of the warmest years on record in the arctic have come since 2014 and these rising temperatures have already cost the u.s. economy. >> there's consequences. serious consequences. we're talking about not necessarily weather. you and i have something to eat tonight. we're talking about the survival of the human species over the long term. >> this year a series of climate report incding one by 13

issues issued dire warnings of economic and human catastrophe if there is not immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but the federal response to the climateal parald denial. >> we keep hearing that 2014 has been the warmest year on record. i askt the chair, you know w this? it's a snowball just from outside here so it'svery, very cold out. very unseasonal. mr. president, catch this. >> while the federal government lags behind. cities and states are attempting to lead their own climate efforts. we have solar panels. >> orgetown, texas, mayor dale ross voted for donald trump. last year his city became the first in texas to conve to 100% renewable energy to power its grid. >> what can those knuckleheads in d.c. do to regulate that that increases our c>>t? ow a growing group of

democrats in congress pushed by grassroots progressives who want aggressive climate policies are calling for a green new deal. >> this is going to be the great society, the moon shot, the civil rights movement of our generation. >> while some democrats are mindful of the yellow jacket protests in paris sparked by anr at a fuel tax, a majority of americans believe that failing address climate change will be more economically vestly than new regulations designed to prent global warming and democrats eyeing the white house are highlighting an issue once considered a political liabili. >> climate change is realt and i is an urgent problem that we need to bear down on. >> every democrat running anywhere in america needs to ke it a central message because the american people are with us. >> joining now is the former mayor of new york city, michael bloomberg. he's the u.n. secretary-general's special envoy for climate action and the

co-author of "climate of hope." mayor bloomberg, welcome back.y >> thank you vuch. so let's start with, i just want your take on the yellow vest movement in paris. what went wrong and how france implemented what they did. what lessons are you taking away from what you've seen so far. >> what you hav tre is people that were asked to do something and didn't understand what they were going to get out of you can take jerry brown who stood up for a gasoline tax. me people didn't likeit, but he got it through because people understood there was a problem. they didn't have the infrastructure they needed. they needed to raise thed revene hey went and tookt t and taxed themselves because there was a value to them, and i think the big problem that we have right now is we have climate change problem. the world is getting hotter and there ar bigger storms than ever before and there are droughts where we used to have floods and vice versa.

the water is getting less and we've got to do something about great so we have thi challenge and we have an opportunity. the challenge is what we do about it and the opportunity is the value of what we do and that gets back the same thing you were talking about in paris. >> i want to get you to react to something. we picked a state randomly out of a hat. what do we choose? iowa. this is a case, barbecue fanatics would know who he is. interesting challenge on climate change proposals. >> don't care h good the idea is, i always feel that in the end someone or some organization is going to benefii ncially from it, and the person that is getting it at the end are the people who didn't even cft it, didn't even design it. if you're a truck driver or the eormers and thee out on the road trying to make a living. >> this to me goes back to

yellow vests. when you talk to them, some of the yellow vt protesters are very much environmentalists saying i can't afford this. i don't live ins. pa i don't have the same access to public transportation. how do you solve that? >> we ha to find a way to -- this guy on television he says someone else will make money. we want to make sur that he is one of the beneficiaries. what i've been doing is spending ey own m helping to train him and lots of other people like that and they are the'v on that got to make sure are lined up with the skills to take advantage of the new drugs. people want recognition and respect, and too many people think, is know wha right for you and don't bother me with the detail d just let me it. that is why you had people in paris in yellow jackets. that's why you have people here who voted for donald trump is exactly that. that's what brexit is all about, macron is all about.

>> right. >> people are saying i don't want to be told what to t do. ink you can show somebody what's available and convince them to want it, and that's what nobodiee done with the guy who just saidomebody else is going get rich. he could be one of thear benefis and incidentally if companies don't make money they're not going to create jobs so you want them to be able to make money, but we have to match the skill sets with the need. >> what would be the impact i we rejoin paris today, the paris agreement? >> not a lot because we are half way there towards meeting our goals somebody said oh, you know, this. never going to get it's ridiculous to think that america will meet its goals. we're half way there already and there's seven years left to go. e economics of coal means no one will stop the reduction in the amount of coal. we've done a bunch of things that we promised to do that agreement that trump said we're not going to do.

he walked away so he decided. >> he hasn't fuld wal away. he can't pull out until 2020, but for example, stopped and america owed some money to help pay for thef management these programs. he walked away from it. in the end, he did some of it or the federal governmt did and my foundation paid their 5 million to pay what our obligation is. he didn't walk away. all of the things that were done have done by the private sector individud companies. >> is that the real answer? should we give up government? >> it would be a lot more helpful if we had a climate champion rather than a climate denier in the white house. trump has the right to his opinions, but he doesn't have the right to his own facts and the truth of the matter is this country is in trouble. the ice caps are melting.

in south carolina a month ago they had three feet of rain. that's a lot. >> what do you think -- why do you thinkeople want to deny climate change? >> number one, people don't. >> do you think that's a phony argument when they say they deny it? >> no. some people do, but weid a lot of polling. i support 24 congressional candidates and we did lots of polling as we creat ads for them and 75% said they believe in climate change. you mentioned iowa. iowa now generates one-thirditf entire energy from wind. they in a few years will be 100%. there is a town -- georgetown, texas, withli a repn mor, 100% renewable. there are people doing things and people believe that you look at forest fires and you become a believer pretty quickly. et's talk about how presidential campaign and a sort

of a presidential focus. there are some people that say climate change iica p that you put out and there are others that say, every proposalu that o now in washington has to be through the lens o dealing with climate change. whether it's your econoc an. where are you on that? >> i think that any candidate for federal office thatt darn well have a plan to deal with the problem that trump science advisers say could basically end this world. >> is fair that, you know, if you run for president and if you happen to do ithat all of your policy proposals will be through the lens of -- >> look, chuck, the presidency is not an entry-level job. we have real problems an don't come in with real concrete answers, i think the public is tired of listening of the same platitude, we're in favor of gor other motnd apple pie and trust me we'll get there.

no. you have to have a plan. i will be out there demanding that everyboni who is r has a plan and i don't want to hear the plan and i want everybody to look at it and say it's doable. > what's your time line on deciding whether you win or not and what would be the factor if you didn't? >>he time line i beginning of the year, end of january, intof uary, maybe. there's no rush to do it. everybody wants to know what u're going to do and the bottom line is i'm not sure yet. i care about bunch of issues. i care for my kids and i care for this country that's been so good to me, and i want to see how i can help the best. right now my foundation and my company which i give0% of the company's profits or my share to the foundation, we support an awful lot of thi s that we're doing that let us explain to people how to do things and give them options and not telling them what to do, but i think i ca make the world a better

place in the private sector. i can make it a better place in the public sector. i think it' fair to say most people like what they did in city hall. do i think i could be a goo president? yes. i'm not the only one that could he a good president. i disagree w our current president on so many things that i don't even know where to start there. >> i assume -- are you trying tt figuref the democratic party will accept you? >> i would certainly run as a democrat. i'm much closer to their philosophy althoh i don't agree with any one party on everything. you would have to run as a democrat. you would have to get a democratic nomination and i g think if y out and explain to them what you do. keep in imind, got elected in new york city an overwhelming democraticity and an overwhelming minority city, and i got elected three times. so i must know something about >> michael bloomberg, always great to talk wityou. thanks f coming on and sharing

your views. >> thanks. >> when we come back it's our panel of experts and they join us on economic risk and consequences of climate change. ♪ ignition sequence starts. 10... 9... guidance is internal. 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ♪

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dr. marvel, just -- i think the quesere is how do you -- how do you explain t urgency to americans, right? that has been, i think, the chlenge and i thi it came through during the michael bloomberg interview. explain the urgency upon what we're fing. >> oh, my gosh, i wish i knew. iish i had a good answer for this. what we're more tempted to do is show mor data or more graphs like there will be a magic equation that will convince everybody. i don't think that a lot of the reductance to accept climate change. i don't think that's about the science. i think that's about values. i think that' about the sort of deep story of how people see themselves.nk so i t it's really important for scientists to go out in communities and engage with what's important to people in communities. >> it feels overwhelming. >> the science feels overwhelming. it just does.

is there a way to prioritize? >> that's t thing. it is overwhelming because we're talking about something that fects the planet that we live on. we're talking about global warming, but we're als talking about changes to rainfall patterns and changes to extreme anents like heat waves and floods and drought hurricanes. so it should feel overwhelming cause it is overwhelming, i think. >> you traveled the globe for us. to try to show us what's happening and not just say what's happening and show us and we te doing our best show pictures. >> andhat's important because i liken climate change to cancer. they're both such large issues it's hard to wrap your head around it, if you will. takerip to glacier national park in montana. in 1850 when the industrial revolution started and we started burning coal and sending greenhouse gasses in the air there were 150 glaciers in that national par today, there are 26 and they'ren in danger of lthose 26.

they're really threatened. if you look at things that we just know are happening around us. growing zones are moving north and fish are migrating north to get to colder waters. we're seeing changes here. that's what convinces people th it's happening, and the reason why we're seeing more people believe in it today is because we're starting to live climate change in real time in the united states. >> saking of real time. i think it's the financial impact that will start spiking things. with continued growth and emissions in historic rate, annual loss in some economic sectors are projected to reach hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century more than the gross domestic product. this year alone, disaster -- the cost of three disasters, hurricane michael, 25 billion and wildfires were up to 9 billion, 50 billion for hurricane florence. crai fugate, can you convince

people with dollars and cents? >> i don't know if you'll convince them with dollars and cent, but i think you can convince them with the sheer yfrequency. evime they say this is a record-setting event, almost all of our practices of how we prepare for disasters is looking at the past tohe prepare for future and it's not working and look at all of the money we're spending. when fema is spendingat money for uninsured losses, we're seeing federal programs like nationa fema, flood organization, and it's looking at the policyf why are we growing disaster risk in the face of climate change with policies that incentivize growth. we are still providing flood insurance for people whe build in a flood zone. >> we shouldn't be doing that. >> and we treauthorized again. there are a lot of things that we need to do with flood insurance. why don't we stop writing flood insurance and lettehe pri sector insurance and if they

don't, why is the public insuring it. >> dollars and cents won't do it. what about national security? >> it's interesting because i think there is a very strg consensus in the u.s. military and in the national security communitynd the climate change is real. this is a sort of pragmatic, clear-eyed view, a for the military they see this as leadingo a chang in their mission, mor humanitarian assistances and more missions abroad and at s home. th the melling of ice caps in the arctic and that will open up an areaegf str competition in both russia and china. >> just p'tse -- i dant to gloss over that. here we are worried about what it will do to our life and meanwhile, it will become a military fight. l >> there we new channels of commercea and russia a china have made it clear.

the bases overseas are estimated to be severely impacted by climate change, either severe weather and/or flooding and that's ouro ability project power overseas. that's our ability to operate our u.s. military. 50% of the facilities will be redirected. >> think about the cost of t defense that today. >> look at air force base that got hit by. micha you have f-22s and hangars that were destroyed and think how few of thosee have. >> as you can see here, i was trying to make a can the economy do it? can national security do it. the most important state and if floridians change their mindset on this it may change the country. i want to put out a few stats of the climate, assessment. there is a one in 20 chance that half of the property value will be under water. this is yourhometown, not just your mihometown, , too, what

the university of miami had to say about this. take a listen. >> i think somewhere later in the century, miami as we know it will be unlivable. so the reality in south florida, we're just going to be leaving. we don't have a problem. you up in orlando, you better set asset your groundwater resources and you better plan for us. you really better plan because we are coming. >> does florida change the cotry's mindset on this? >> it can because it's where the effects of climate change most evident. so we get tidal flooding in the florida keys. >> explain what that is. >> so king tide comes meaning lunas cycd the tide is the strongest and our roads literally flood. >> just once a month. no rain, no anything. >> i just want to remindwh peop it is. >> a big threat to our drinking water supply, the e houses all of the water for south florida and the saltwater comes in and threatens that drinking water supply as we get

higher carbon dioxide content on than and that kills our reefs, of course, reefs a essential to ocean ecosystem. so i think the point ann made is so important. we need to start covering the erbate and start cg the story so that people see that this is real and so that politicians take a more pragmatic approach and find solutions that are achievable. >> if you think those high tides bother you once a month wait until they happen every day and that's what thets rep say. if we don't do something about cutting our greenhouse gas emissions that will happen and it will not just happen in miami and it will happen in virginia and newport news and they're dealing with that high tide flooding and it's going to affect places like new york and boston and cape cod and new oileans. we're have big problems. >> i just have to say i live in new york and the subway is projected to flood every five years by the middle of the century and every year by the

end of the century. i don't want the subway to flood. >> you think it'sno miserable right? >> this goes back 2012, super storm sandy makes landfall. we're flying up to go see governor christiend president obama turns to me and says craig, the debate about climate change isver. we have to start talking about adaptation. this is what's really ltrd. we b infrastructure over the span. we always thought this was something 50 years away. it's now, and we haven't built for this and the change and the build for it while we're still denying it, we're >> what's the -- i mean, the displacement of americans. m hoy millions of americans live basically in an area that could be unlivable, we're talking millions, right? >> many, many. more air holds more water vapor. even if y i livethe midwest you will see increased downpours. >> for agriculture, the

consequences are significant. >> if you look globally, we are a pretty strong economy and a opowerful nation and thithe countries that will experience massive populationen mov and have no wherewithal whatsoever to deal with that kind of pressure a the instability and conflicts. >> do you see h overwhelming this feels? dr. marvin, what's the one thing we can do right now? give me one thingo >> this thing that i actually find kind of perversely hamforting is the fact bee know exactly what's causing this. can you imagine i this were a natural cycle that we didn't have any control over? we know exactly what's causing this. it's us. greenhouse gas emissions that we're putting in the atmosphere and asti a sci i can tell you let's not do that anymore. >> it's about those guys. noffense. i'm not a scientist and that's the phrase that's been used in

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and destroyed more than ,000 homes. the man that has led the state of california is outgoing governor jerry brown and has been the champion ofen ronmental causes and has been outspoke own this issue since his first term in the70 and the state's office of emergency services outside of sacramento where the state's emergency managementersonnel oversee disaster preparedness for response relief and recovery which means there is an operation. governor brown, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> great. good to be here. t the firste i was here -- i was going to say the first time i was on the show is 1975. >> here we are. we do have a long history. the world wifirldfire is not in flint without california. you have seen your share of natural disasters. try to put into contextu' what experienced this year and why it's bigger than just a

wildfire issue this time. >> well, it's bigger because the adfire season ins of being a few months around the summer and a little bit in the fall is year long and we saw tret with the both in the north and the southern part of the state at the same time. that hasn't happened before. usually one would burn and then it would stop and then the southern part of the state would burn with the santa ana winds. sot's new, and it leads not just to fires. leads to mud slides and then, of course, you see with the heavy storms and rain as the snows melt faster or they don't come at all, we will find a lot of inundation of a o good part the state. so we see it. we see it in the fear in people's eyes as they fled. the elderlyho died. this is real, it's dangerous and

weave g we've got to wake up the country and the world and we havehe white house that requires raking leaves in the bottom of the forest there. >> i was just going to say and he came out and toured, frankly, it wasfter that weird comment he made about raking, and yo seem -- did you feel like you made any progress in convincing him this is not something that's distinctive oro unique now. this is a larger issue with the climate? >> no, i don't think i did. i do appreciate that he came, that the president has made funding available under the emergency acts of congress soll that'sgood, but i would say he is very convinced of his position and his position is that there's nothing abnormalt abe fires in california or the rising sea level or aller o the o incidents of climate change.

>> you've both bn a mayor and a governor. you've had to seee peo become temporary refugees from their home. at what point do you feel that politicians in positions like the governorship of california are going to have to sta proposing restrictions on where people live and basically saying, y know what? we just can't build here because we can't afford to basically maintain people living this close to the water or living this close to wildfire damage or living this close to p ace that's susceptible to mud slides? >> now we've got to -- we have to make thoseno proposals but we already have restrictions. people want to build housing in flood plains. california prevents that, but the zone of dange f frome and flood is far bigger, much bigger. so the politics of that will unfold slowly, but the facts are

on the ground and the politicians, however painful will follow, of course, now to restrict building in areas that are justoo dangerous. >> i'mut curious ahe yellow vest movement and why you think that has been such a struggle for macronhere and what lessons we should take away here. joanna heier which is in the city la she is a uc davis post-graduate student writes this, if everyone in the state, talking about california, if everyone in the statead equal access to quality public transportation the gas tax would be a fair incentive to motivate people to ditch their cars. as it is it punishes people to no have a chance to transit options to meet their needs. it seems to me the yellow vest in france is a disconnect there. you won the gas tax fight, but rural californians didn't like it. >> no, they don't. they don't like a lot of things.

they voted against housing bonds and they voted for the republican tax for 40% and there was a divide in california as in, ith red is different from the blue and it's associated definitely with rur areas, but i would say in terms of what believe in france, i the president cut back on taxes for the very wealt and at the same time he imposed what isnt eslly sales tax and working on poor people and that is very different than our own gas tax and when we tax the wealthy and very substantially and then we went to thetate and said stick and reaffirm this gas tax and ty did by over 13 points. it's incredible and people are ready to build and the money will bepent rightnd they understand it's helping their community. soyes, we need more rapid transit. we need trains and we need more

efficient cars and all of and that's why this climate change is not just adapting. it's inventing new technology. it's instead of complaining about the chinese putting all their money into batteries and artifilial intnce and new kind of cars. we have to put more money in america. so instead of worrying about tariffs, i like to see the president and the congress invest tens of billions in renewable energy and more efficient uatteries to get off fossil fuel as quickly as we can and we pacnt to the that it took roosevelt many, many yearscao get ame willing to go into world war ii and fight the nazis. we have an enemy and perhaps very much devastating in a similar way and we have to fight climate change. >> i want to get you to respond to something that was in "the

l.a. times." in recent years the state has suffered a array of environmental woes to varying degree, climate relaerd, brown's climate efforts has been profoundly important and it's a mish of the breadth of the environmental crisis that v hast bey enough. it was complimentary.nd not enou is th is that how you leave the governorship? that there was more that could ve been done. >> not even close. we're doing more than anybody else and not close in america th theest of the world. look, we've got to get those zero emission cars on the road. we have to figure out new ways of making cement. we have to clean up ourwh ships h are creating more pollution than california and texas pute together. technology, the investment, the lifestyle change e the land use changes and this is a revovetionary threat and w

got to get off this idea it's the economy, stupid. no, it's the environment and the ecology that we have to get on the side of and we only do that with sdom, with investment and widespread collaboration and working together. so that's a good criticism. some of his ideas, i were not as important as the ones we're trying to push. >> but i knew it would bringth t final answer and it was about as good of a summary hat needs to be done as anybody put together. >> governor jerry brown, you've been coming on "meet thes" pr since 1975. i hope this is not your last appearance. hope not either. >> all right. >> when it comes to climate change, everyone agrees it's happening. well, almost everyone.

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that we get our act together on this issueegarding the future of the planet. >> this idea that science is just absolutely settled and if you don't believe it's settled then you're somehow anothern neanderthal. that is so inappropriate. >> trying to break the political paralysis. carlos, you wanted to introduce

a carbon tax and you were trying to start the debate about a carbon tax, but as we're watching what's unfoldceg in frnd the protests and the pushback there, is a carn tax doable? is this the way to do it? is a vice tax the way to go? >> it's the most efficient and the most logical and probably theostolitically viable solution? i think mayor bloomberg and governor broed to make the point that the key is that the people being taxed ithis case, it would be the american people trust that the revenues are going to be put to good use and that's why in the bill i filed we put all of it to infra structure and that most americans believe that we have to invest in our infrlstructure. we set aside some funds to mitigate higher utility rates for lower income americans. that is the key, and we know this is true because in miami recently they just passed a $200 million bondeferendum and property tax inccoase to fund tal infrastructure because

the citizens understood that the funds would be put to good use. >> it does seem like the regressive nature perhaps and how do you, again, the pson that doesn't live near an easy to access pubatc transpon point and the cost of fossil fuels. >> right. but, i think -- the question is can you makeple see the value in that tax that is actually -- a tax is the quickest way to change behavior and if it wl help people and if it will ensure that you have cleaner air and that you have less extreme weather events and that you have access toer cle water. if people see a value in it they might buy into it. >> our most trusted institutions are the military these days and it does seem since in the military there's been more experience in seeingt in real time. >> the military tends to be pragmati and it's a planning culture. they like to look way off into

the futurs and wha interesting is while the trump administration's been trying to take reference to theord climate change out of theon nati security strategy, out of the defense strategy and out of dod reports and to cut funding where it can,il mean the congress in the last two nationalefense authorization acts has played a really, really important role, sort p ofting reporting requirements. every service has to identify the tenle most vulner bases and mitigation efforts and you ve to come up with antarctic strategy for when the ice melts and you have to factor climate change into your operational planning and this gives the department top cover. i actually think there is a role for the military as that respected institutiono sort of being truth speakers on this and to say this is real. we're planning for it it and we're spending money on it to ntinue to protect the country, so you know, let's get over it and get on with >> this is an interesting

dynamic in the congress as the president has acted irresponsibly on climate and made some reckless comments. more and more republicans in the house have movedo embracehis issue, to accept the science. when i got to congress in 2015, there were two or three republicans even willing to utter the words climatehae. today we have 40 on the record, acknowledging that this is a real issue thateqres government act and they went on the record by joining the bipartisan cost. >> we were talking during the break about you thought you were equating it to the tobacco company and i'm curious what you make of the lawsuit strategy that we're seeing now. four lawsuits we're outlining here and lawsuits against oil companies and therab fishermen, and the state of new york versus exxon and e state rhode island versus chevron and this idea of holding them accountable, is that a smart strategy? e saw what happened to

tobacco. the individual suits didn't make a difference and when the state attorneys general sued big tobacco they settled. investors will want to protect their investments and theyth se e exposures getting worse and this is the part of the caon tax and we have to price risk what it costs. think about it. over $100 billion was put into disasters that could have been saved if we had been doing stuff ahead of time and part of this is how do we price our risk so we're not building it the same way we've always done and investorsve will d this even faster and government regulations because we're sing the sho sightedness of investments that have multidecades to pay back that will b disrupted in years. >> yet, you're already seeing that in the energy sector. we've had 20 coal plants that have been retired thi year and coal is at its lowest point since 1979 when jimmy carter put solar panels on the white house the first time and when you look at utility companies are doing dte in michigan and southeastern

mich this year broke ground on a new natural gas plant and a billion dollar investment that are investing in renewable economically, coal doesn't make sense anymore. natural gas and renewables do. >> dr. marvel, ius cur about the impact and the trump administration has rolled back a few bads that the administration put in and they put a freeze on the gas mileage dards that sort of reversed obama regulations and methane rules and trump also rolled back and other rules having to do co with . how much has that set us back? is that a decade back? how much time does it take to rt of get this -- just get back on the path that weke w three weeks ago. it's not a good idea, but we have seen a lot of aeion at state level and more important at the local level. so i think that's not a yes or

no question. that's not a black or white question. we have -- president trump has signalled his intent to withdras from the p agreement, but we've seen this agreement called we are still in. peoplere still adhering to the paris goals so i'm not going to say it's good news because it's not, but i think it's not necessarily as catastrophic as itht m otherwise be. >> what -- i guess is there any individual action anyr is this so large -- >> i remember going back to jimmy carter, hey, it was this collective action and ifer ody can do their little part, it feels like with climate change it doesn't. it fee like it's all stock. we do need national policy that will beme international policy and when we make changes as a country we galvanize? is there a way toni gal? >> the disasters, i think, are starting this process and this is no longer something that's in the future and one of the regulations that roll back is

the standard says at quit building one foot, let's build two feet above flood levels and they rolled it back, which in the last two years we missed that rebuilding to build with future risk. >> what would y do if you could do this? how would you shake us by the lapel? >> i get frustrated because i hear this administration say two things. first of all, when they talk about pulling out of paris, they talk about we reduced greenhouse gas emissions. we reduced greenhouse gas emissions because people turned away fro coalnd yet that's exactly what this administration is promoting. makes no sense. >> what a tremendous hour. thank you guys for your time and thoughts on this. much appreciated. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching sunday morning. on behalf of all of us at "meet ae press" we want to wish you happy, and healthy new year and we'll see you next year because if it's sunday it's "meet the press."