ping] [footsteps] this sunday, the climate crisis. >> brace yourselves for dangerous heat and the drought we're in is disastrous. everyone ought to be worried about it.mo >> rainfallts are staggering. >> everything we own was destroyed. >> this is the eyewall hitting right now.on the sst winds. >> and will average temperatures in the u.s. could increase anywhere from 2 to 11 >> two fast-moving firestorms within miles of each other. >> can you see how intense the flames are right now. >> garden of edenurned into the gates of hell. >> the evidence is everywhere. >> that's my place, so you can answer yourself. >> the science is settled. >> it's wouldn't it be bet first alert administration in washington didn't deny science. >> but the politics snot.

>> climate change is real. and irgisent problem that weo need t bear down on. >> it's a snowball. and that just from outside here. so it's very, very cold out. very unseasonable. so mr. president, catch this. >> this morning we'll report on the challenge of climate change. thescience, the damage to our environment, the cost, and the politics. welcome to sunday and this special edition of "meet the prs." >> fro nbc news, the longest running show in television history. this is atipecialon of with chuck todd." >> good sunday morning and happy new year weekend to everyone. this morning we're going to do something that we don't often getiv to do -- in on one topic. it's obviously extraordinarily fficult to do this as the end of this year has proven in the era of trump. but we're going to take anth in-dook regardless of that at a literally earth-changing

subject that doesn't get talkeo this thoroughly on television news at least. climate change. but just as important as what we are going to do this hour is what we're not going to do. we're notng to debate climate change. the existence of it. the earth is getting hotter and human activity is a major cause, period. we're not going to give time to climat deniers the science is settled, even if political opinion is not. n and we'r going to confuse weather with climate. e evidence s no m that climate change exists than a blizzard that itdoesn't. unless a blizzard hits miami. we have a panel of experts to help us understand the science and consequences of climate change and yes, ideas to break the political paralysis over it. kate marvel is a scientist at columbia university and nasa's goddard institute forpace studies and she writes the "hot plet" column for "scientific american."cr g fugate led emergency response for republican governor jeb bush of florida before that

michelle flurnoy a serve undersecretary of defense under president obama. she is also tou coer and managing partner of west exec advisers. ann thompson is our chief environmental correspondent here on nz. andco ressman carlos cabello represents the southernmost district of florida. i'll have conversations with former new york city mayor michael bloomberg and we're going to begin with a look at a crisis that's been ignored for too long. >> economic impact could be devastating. >> i d't believe it. you don't believe it? >> no, no, i don't believe it. >> but in a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll two-thirds of americans believe action is needed to address global climate change. 45% say the problem is serious enough for immediate action. a record high. climate-related disasters from wildfires -- >> we lost a lot.

>> toseore int storms, extreme rain events and floods, are already a serious threat. and getting worse. >> it's rising way too fast. >> i just was in such denial on anything else. i didn't grab anything. >> i saw the water mark in my tbasement, it was upo my nose. the drive down here was almost -- it's hard to see my place gone. >> glaciers are disappearing and arctic ice melt is producing rising s levels and rewriting global weather patterns. arall five of thest years on record in the arctic have come since an14. these rising temperatures have already cost the u.s. economy. >> there's consequences. serious we're talking about not necessarily weather. you and i have something to eat tonight. we're talking about the survival of human species over theong term. f climateear a series reports, including one produced

by 13 agencies in mr. trump's government, issued dire warnings of economic and human catastrophe if there is not immediate action to reduce greeouse gasemissions. but the feder response to the climate crisis has been political paralysis. and. deni >> we keep hearing that 2014 has been the warmest year on record. and i ask the chair, you know what this it's a snowball. here.hat just from outside so it's very, very cold out. very unseasonal. mr. president, catch this. >> while the federal government lags behind, cities and states are attempting tohe leaveir own climate efforts. >> we have wind turbines and solar panels. >> georgetown, texas mayor dale ross voted for donald trump. last year his city became the first in texas to convert to 100% renewable energy to power its grid. >> what can t knuckleheads in d.c. do to regulate that that

increases our cost? >> now growing group of democrats in congress pushed by grassroots progressive who is want aggressive climate policies are calling for a gen new al. >> this is going to be the great society, the moonshot, the civil rights movement of our generation. >> while some democrats are mindful othe yellow jacket protests in paris, sparked by anger at a fuel tax, a majority of americans believe that failing to address climate change will be more economically costly than new regulations to designed to prevent global warming. d democrats eyeing t white house are highlighting an issue once considered a political liability. >> climate change is real. and it is urgent problem that we need to bear down on. >> every democrat running anywhere in america needs to make it a central message. because the american people are wi us. >> and joining me now is the former mayor of new york city. michael bloomberg. he's the u.n.

secretary-general's special envond for climate action the co-author of "climate of hope." mayor bloomberg, welcome back to cheet the press." >> thank you very >> let's start with i want your take-away on the v yellowt movement in paris. what, what went wrong and how france implemented what they did? what lessons are you taking away from what you've seen so far? >> wha you have there is people who were asked to do somethind and didn'tstand what they were going to get out of it. you can take jerry brown, who stood up for gasoline tax. some people didn't like it. but he got it through. because people understood that there was a problem. they didn't have the infrastructure they needed. they need to raise the revenue. and they went and took that. and taxed themselves. because there was a value to and i think the big problem that we have right now, is we a have climate change problem. the world is getting hotter there are bigger storms than ever before. there are droughtsre we used

to have floods and vice-versa. our water is getting less and we've got to do something about it. and so we havehis gre challenge. and we have an opportunity. the challenge is, what weabo t it. and the opportunity is the value of what we do. and that gets back to the same thing you werealking about in paris. >> i want to get to you react to thing. we picked a state randomly out of the hat to find people on the street to q askstions to you. what did we choose, iowa this is mo caison, some barbeque fanatics will know who he is. an interesting observation about various climate change proposals. >> i don't care how good the idea is i feel that in the end, someone or some organization is going to benefit financially from it. and the person that is getting it, at the end, are the person who didn't craft it didn't even it's yourand you know truck driver. your farmers, people out on the road that are trying to make a

living. >> this to me goes back to yellow vest. it is, when you talk to them, some of these yellow vest protesters are very much environmentalists, they're sitting there going, i can't afford this. w am i -- i don't live in paris, i don't have the same access to public transportation. how do you solve that? o>> we have find ways, and on television, he says somebody else is going to make money. we want to make sures that he one of the beneficiaries. so what i've been doing is spending my own money helping to train him and lots of other people like that, the ones that i've got to make sure wind up with the skills to ke advantage of the new jobs. people want recognition and respect. and too many pele think, know what's right for you. and don't bother me with the details, i'll just let me do it. that is why you had p paris in yellow jackets. that's why you have people here who voted fonald trump. i would argue, is exactly that. that's what brexit is all about.

macron is all b. people are saying i don't want to be told what to do. i thin that you can show somebody, what's available, and convince them to want it. uyd that's what nobody has done with the who just said somebody else is going to get rich. he can be one of the beneficiaries. and incidentally, if companies don't make money, they're not goin to create jobs. you want them to be able to make money but we have to match the skill sets with the needs. >> what would be the impact if we rejoined paris today, the paris agreement? >> not a lot. because we are halfway there, towards meeting our goals already. somebody said, oh, you know, to get this going it's ridiculous to think that america is going to meet its goals. we're hal tayre already and in the seven years left to go. the economics ofoal mean nobody's going to stop the reduction in the amount of coal. have gone and done a whole bunch of things that we had promised to do under that agreement.

that trump said we're not going to do. he walked away. so weid d -- we in the private sector -- >> he hasn't fully walked away, has he? >> he can't pull out until t20, that deal. but for example, he stopped, america owed some money to help pay for the management of these programs. he walked away from it. in the end he did some of it orv the federalnment did some. and i think my foundation paid, gave him $5 million to pay what our obligation his. didn't walk away from it, because he didn't have a lot to do with it. all of th things that have been done or most of them, have been done by the private individuals and companies. >> is that the real answer? should we give up on government? no. government -- it would be a lot more helpful if we had a climate champion rather tha a climate denier in the white house. i've always thought trump has a rit to his opinions but doesn't have a right to his own facts. and the truth of the matter ist this country and this world is in trouble. the ice caps are melting and the storms are gettinggreater.

in south carolina, about a month ago they had three feet ofin do you know three feet how high that is? >> why do you think people want to deny climate change? >> well number one people ordon. - >> do you think that's a phony ,rgument when you say they deny? >> some people do. but we did a lot of polling, i supported c 24gressional candidates, 21 won and we did lots of poing as we were creating ads for them. one of the things we polled was climate change. % said they believed in climate change. if you go to you mentioned iowa. iowa now generate one-third of its entire energy from wind. they in a few years will be 100%. there's a town, georgetown, texas withublican mayor, 100% renewables there are people that are doithings, places doing things and people believe. you look out yournd window you see forest fires and maybe it's going hit your house,e you bec a believer pretty quickly. >> let's talk about how a

presidential campaign and a sort of presidential focus, there's some people who say cli ate change i policy paper you put out. and there's others that say,ev y proposal that you do now in washington has to be through the lens of dealing with climate change. whether you know, whether it' your economic plan. where are you on that? >> i think that any candidate for federal office, better darn well have a plan to deal with the problemhe that trump science advisers say could basically end this world. even his -- >> is that fair -- if you run for president, and if you h pen to doit, that all your policy proposals will be through the lens of, is it -- >> the presidency is not an entry-level job, okay we have some real problems. if you don't come in with some real concrete answers i think the public is tired of listening to the same platitudes that they get. we're in favor of god, mother andpple pie. and trust me, i'll have a plan

when i get there. you have to have a plan. and i can tell you one thing, w don't knother i'm going to run or not. but i will be out there demandinghat anybody who is running has a plan. i want to hear the plan and i want aeople to look it and say whether it's doable. >> what would be the factor if you are going to run and what would be the factor if you didn't? >> meline is theeginning of the year. february, uary, into maybe. there's no rush to do it. everybody wants to know what t you're goi do. and the bottom line is, i'm not sure yet. i care about a bunch of eissues. i cor my kids, i care for this country that's been so good to me. and i want to see how i can help the best. right now my foundation and my r mpany, i give 100% of the company's profits share of them to the foundation we support an awful lot of things that we're dog. that let us -- explain to people how to do things. and give them options. not telling them what to do, but

i think i can make the world a better pla in the privat sector. can i make it a better place in the public sector? i love 12 years in city hall. i think it's fair to say most people liked what wdi in city hall. do i think i could be a good president? yes. i'm not the only one that could be a goo i disagree with our current president on so many things that i don't e knw where to start there. >> i assume a lot of this has to do, are you trying toe out if the democratic party is going to accept you? >> well you certainly would have, would certainly run as a democrat. i'm much closer to their . philosop although i don't agree with any one party on everything. you would have to run as a democrat. you would have to g a democratic nomination. and i think if you go out and you explain to them what you do -- keep in mind, g elected in new york city, an ovocwhelming dtic city and overwhelming minority city. and i got elected three times. so i must know something about this. >> michael bloomberg, always pleasure to talk with you, thank you for coming on and sharing

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start with the scientist. dr. marvel, just i think the -- the question here is how do youyo -- how d explain the urgency to americans, right? that's been ihink the challenge, and i think it came through during the michael bloomberg intervoumptrgxplain thecy of what we're facing. >> oh, my gosh. i wish i knew and had a good answer for this because asha scientists we want to do, what we're always tempted to do is show more data ha more graphs, like there's going to be some magic equation that's going to convince everybody, and there isn't. you know, i don think that a lot of the reluctance to accept climate change, i don't really think that's about the science. i think that's about values. i think that's about the sort of deep story of how people see themselves. so i think it's i reallyortant for scientists to go out in communities and engage withnt what's imporo people in communities. >> it feels overwhelming. >> it does feel. overwhelmi >> the science feels overwhelming, i'll be honest. it just does. is there a way of figuring out

how to prioritize? >> i mean, that's the thing. it is overwhelming, because we are talking aboutomething that affects the planet that we live on. we'realking about global warming, but we're also talking l out changes to rainf patterns, changes to extreme events like heat waves and floods and droughts and hurricanes, so it should feel seoverwhelming bec it is overwhelming i think. >> and you've traveled the globe for u to try to show us what's happening, not just say what's happening, show us, and we're doing our best to show picturs, and tha a challenge. >> and that's a important because i always liken climate change to cancer. such huge issues and hard to get your head wrapped around it. take a look at glacier national park in, 1850 when we started burning coal and sending greenhouse gases in the air, there were 150 glaciers in that national park. today, there are 26, a i they ar danger of losing those

26. they are really threatened. if you look at things that we justhow are happening around us, growing zones are moving north. fish are migrating north to gol tor waters. we're seeing changes here. vinces people that it's happening, and i think the reason why we're seeing more people believe in it today is because we're now starting to live climate change in realtime fn the united states. >> well, speakinghat realtime, i think it's the financial impact that maybe will start sparkg things had. the national climate assessment said the following w.continued growth in emissions at historic rates, annl losses in some economic sectors are projected to reach hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the centuries, more than the current gross domestic product of many states and this year alone disaster -- the cost of three di sters, hue care michael, $25 billion, insurance claims for the california fire up to $9 bill beyond and 50 billion for hurrica frence.

craig fugate, can you convince people with dollars and knts? >> i donw if you're going to convince them with dollars and cents but you can with the sheer frequency of events that e occurring. every time they say this is a record-setting event, almost all of our practicesf how we prepare for disasters is looking at the past to prepare for the future. it's not work, and look at all the money we're spending. the thing i lik remind people. when fema is spending money, that's for uninsured losses. we've seen one of th lgest transfers from private insurance to federal programs like fema, hud, theationallood insurance program. why organizations like the pew charitable trust is looking at the policy of why are we growing disaster risk in the face of climate change with policies that -- we're still providing flood insurance for people who build in a flood zone. >> we shouldn't be doing that. >> we just reauthorize it had. flood insuranc one simple answer, why don't we stopwr

ing insurance for people. >> if dollars and cts won't do it, what about national security, michelle >> it's interesting, because there's a very strong consensus in the national security community that climate change is real. this is sort of a pragmatic clear-eyed view, and for themi tary they see this as leading to a change in their mission, more humanitarian issistance,ter relief missions abroad and at home. they see the melting of thce cap in the arctic. that's going to open an area of strategic competition with both and china. >> this -- just -- i don't want to gloss over that, so here we areried about what the melting ice caps are going to do to our life. meanwhile, it's going to become a military fight. >> absolutely. therehaill be noels of commerce and china and russia have already staked claims and made it verylear they intend to contest space, but it's also an infrastructure problem f the military. more than half of the u.s.

military bases and bases overseas are estimated to be severely impacted by climate change, either severeth w and/or flooding. that's our ability to project wer overseas. that's our ability to operate our u.s. military. 50% othe facilities are going to be affected. >> and we would have to think about the costfefense as it is today. >> look at the air force base that got hit by, you know, nichael. f-22s hangars that were destrod, and think how few of those we have. >> as you can see here, trying t? mick a point here. can the economy do can national security do it? maybe the state of florida can do it, the most important state in presidential politics, carlos carbello. if floridians change their mind on that, want to put in a few stats from the national climate assessment. there's a 1 in 20 chance that nearly half had a billion of prerty value in the state of florida will be under sea level before the end of this centuries, and then ie got to play for you this, our hometown, not just your hometown, mine,

too, miami, what a university of miami geologist had to say about this. take a listen. >> i think somewhere later in the centuries, miami, as we know it, is going to be unlivable, so in reality in south florida, we're just going to be leaving. we don't have the problem. you up in orlando, you better set aside your groundwater resources, and you p bettern for us. you really better plan, because we are coming. >> does florida change the country's mindset on this? >> it can, because it's where the effects of climate change are most evident, so we get tidal flooding in south florida in the florida keys. >> explain what >>at is. ing tide comes, meaning lunar cycle, the t strongest and our roads literally flood. >> just once a month. >> that's right. >> no rain, no anything. >> i just want to remind people what this is. >> big threato our drinking supply, the everglades houses you will at water for south florida. as the salt water comes in it

threatens the drinking water. ocean acidification and as we get higher carbon dioxide in our ocean it kills ouref which are essential to ocean eco-systems it. the point anne made iso important. we need to start covering the debate and start covering the story so tha people see that this is real and so that politicians take a more pragmatic approach and find solutions that are actlly achieveable. >> and if you think those high tides bother you once a month, wait until they happen every day, and that's what the reports say. if we don't do something about cutting our greenhouse gas emissions and that's going t happen, hand not just in miami. it will happenvi iinia and newport news and where the naval bases are, and they are already dealing with that high tide flooding, and it's going to affect places like new york and boston and cape cod, and we'r- new orleans, we're going to have big problems. >> i don't know what to say. iive in new york, and the subway is projected to flood eery five years by middle

of the century, and every year by the end of the century. i don't know t subway to flood >> you think it's miserable now, right? >> this goes back to 2012. super storm sandy makes landfall. we're flying up to go see governor christie and president obama turns to me and said craig, the debate about chamt change is over. we have to start talking about adaptati and this is what's really hard. we've built so many infrastructure with life spans in financial over the span. we always thought this was something that's 50 years's awa. now, and we haven't built for and the change for the build in it while we're still denying, it we're losing. >> what's the -- i mean, the displacement of americans, how many millions of americans right now live basically in an-year that could be unlivable in 50 years? we're talking years, right, dr. marvel? >> many.us it's not florida. that's not just coastal communities. warm air holds more water vapor so that means even if you live in the midwest you're seal increased downpours.

rain is real going to dump on you. >> and for agriculture the consequences are significant. >> and if you look globally, we're a pretty strong economy. we're a very powerful nation. think of all the countries that is are going to experien massive population movements and have no wherewithal to deal with that pressure and the inability and conflict. >> do you see how overwhelming this feels. i guess, dr. mmarvel, let ask, what's the one thing that we can do right now? i think -- give me one thing. >> so the thing that i actually find kind ofel perve comforting is the fact that we know exactly what's causing this. can you imagine if tt were a natural psychthal we didn't have any control over, but we know sing this.at's c it's us. it's greenhouse gas emissions that we are putting in the, atmosphend as a scientist i can tell you let's not do the that anymore. >> it's really just about those guys. >> those guys. >> it's aboutfe no e. >> yeah, and i'm not a scientist, that's the phrase that's been used in past by

politicians but i do know this. there's two halves togahis. mion we means we reduce amend i'd emissions and adaptation where i think we're starting to make some progrins he congress, investments in coastal infrastructure that will protectilroperties and protect people from these effects. >> all right. well, we've done a lot on the science and a lot on the impact. later i want to get into sort of some practical idea including the carbon tax. is that the right way to go, but let me pause here. when we comew back, states have been hit harder by climate change than our biggest state, california. governor jerry brown joins us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ what if we could turn trash into money? plastic bank is doing just that, by exchanging plastic for digital credits redeemable for everything from food to education...

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we'll continue t see large fires. >> this year california endured its most destructive and todeadliest wildfires in h. that's saying something. multiple fires burned at once including wha became knowns camp fire which killed 86 people and destroyed close to 14,000 homes. th who has led the state of california for a combined 16 years as governor is outgoing governor jerry brown. he's been a champion of environmental causes and has been outspoken o this issue since his first term in the 1970s and this morning governor browst sat the e's office of emergency services outside of sacramento where the state's emergency managementersonnel oversees personal disaster preparedness and w recoverych means it's 24-hour operation

sadly all the time. governor bro, welcome back to "meet the press." >> great to be hehere. >>irst time i was here -- i was going to said first time i was on the show i think was 1975. so we've got a long history. >> were doave a long history. the word wildfire is not in print anymore without the word california in frontt of it feels like these days. you've seep your share of s wildfisons and seen your share of natural disasters. context what ou're experiencing this year and why it's bigger than just a wildfire issue this time. >> well, it's bigger because the fire season instead of being a few months around the summer and little bit in the fall is year long, and we saw that with the fire both in the north and the southern part of the state at the same time. that hasn't happened before. usually one would burn and then it would stop and then the southern part of the state would burn withanhe ana winds,

so it -- it's new, and it leads not just to fires. it leads to mud slides and then, of course, you're going to see with the heavy storm and rains as the snows melt faster or the rains don't com, at a we're going to find a lot of inundation of a good par of the state, so we see it. we see it in the fear in people's eyes as they anfled, elderly who died. this is real.ng it's ous, and -- and we've got to wake up the country, wake up the world, and we've got to start with the man in the w wte house whts to get off the business and requires rake leaves ithe bottom of the forest there. really a crazy idea. >> he came out- he came out and -- and toured, frankly it was after that weird comment that he made boutraking, and you seemed to -- did you feel like you made any proess in convincing him this is -- this is not something that's

distinctive or unique to now, that this is a larger issue with the climate? >> no, i don't think i did. i do appreciate that he came, that the president has made funding available under the emergency acts of congress, so that's all good, but i would say he is veryis convinced of position, and his position is that there's nothing abnormal about the fires in california or the rising sea level or all the other incidents of climate change. >> you both have been a mayor and a governor. you've had to see people become temporary refugees from their home. at what point do you feel as if politicians in positions like nothe govhip of california are going to have to start proposing restrictions on where people liv and basically saying, you know what, we just can't build here because w can't afford to basicly maintain people living this

close to the water or living this close toir wil damage or living this close to a place that's susceptible to mud slides? >> well, look, now, we've got to the keep -- we he to make those proposals now, but we already have restrictions. people want to go build housing in flood plains. california prents that, but the zone of danger fromfl fire d d is far bigger, much bigger, so the politics of that will unfold slowly, but there factsn the ground and the politicians, however painful it would be politically, will follow, of course now, to restrict building in areas that are just too dangerous. >> i've got to the ask you. i'm curious about theellow thinkovement and what you why that has been such a struggle for mark ron there a what lessons we should take away here. joanna hier, a uc dav

post-graduate students writes this. everyone in the state, talking about california, had equal accesso public transportation, the gas tax would be a fair incentive to motivate people to ditch cars but it punishes people for not having transit options to meet their nooets needs. the yellow very much options in france, that's the disconnec there. you won your gas tax fight but rural californians didn't like t. no, they don't. >> they don't like a lot of things. they vote against the republican bonds and vote for the republican cox who didn't even make 40%. the red is different than the nd blue,t's associated definitely with rural area, but nculd i say in terms of what happened in f i believe the president cut back on taxes f the very wealthy at the same time he imposed what il essent a sales tax on

working and poor people, so that was verre dif than our own gas tax. when we tax the wealthy, very substantially and then we went to the state and said stick andf rm this gas tax and they did by 13 points. it'sleincred so people are ready to build if they beli te th money will be spent right and they understand it's being -- it's helping their community, so, yes, we need more rapid transit. we need trains and we need more efficient cars. we need all of that, andhas why this climate change is not just adapting, it's inventing new technonsgy. it's --ad of complaining about the chinese putting all their money into batteriesnd artificial intelligence and new kinds of cars, we have to put more money i america, so instead of worrying about tariffs, i would like to see thr ident and the congress invest tens of billions in renewable energy, in more efficient batteries to get us

off fossil fuel as quickly as we can. i would point to the fact that it took rooseve many many years to get america to willing to go into world war ihe and fight nazis. well, we have an enemy, though different, but perhaps very much devastating in ay, similar and we've got to fight climate change and the president has got to lead on that. >> ietant to to you respond to something that was written in the "l.a. times"eringier this month by jacques leslie, and it goes this way yn. recers the state has suffered an array of environmental woes, t varying degrees climateled. the catastrophic fis,drought, heat waves to name just a f. jerrybrown's climate efforts have been profoundly important. it's a measure of reeth of the crisis but they haven't been nearly enough. it's very complimentary but not nearly enough. is that how you feel as you leave the governorship, you've done c everything you but it

still wasn't number or was there something else you could have done? >> not enough and not even close and we're doing more tn anybodyse, and not close in america or the rest world. look, we'veot to get those zero emission cars on the road. we have to figure out new ways of making cement. we've got to klein our ships which are creating more pollution thanalifornia and texas put together. the technology, the investment, the lifestyle changes, the land use changes. this is a revolutionary threat, and got to get off this idea. it's the economy, no, it's the environment. it's the ecology that we have to get on the sidendof, we only do that with wisdom, with investment and widespread collaboratngn and wor together. so that's a good criticism. some of his ideas i thought were not as important as the ones we're trying to push. w >> but i k it would bring out that final answer, and i think ummary as good of a what needs to be done as anybody could have put together.

governor jerry brown, as pointed out, been coming on "meet the press" since 1975. i hope this isot your last appearance sir. i look forward to it again. >> okay. i hope not either. >> all right. to up next, when it comes climate change, everyone agrees it's happening. well, almost everyone. that's next. 25% of your mouth. sterine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™

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our nbc/"wall street journalie poll who b climate change is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, that's oi15-pnt increase since 1999. down to just 30% who say we nees morerch or we shouldn't be concerned, a 13-point glop that same time period. now, look, this is significant, because those feelings about climate change are remkably uniform, no matter your skin tone or where you live. over 60% of whites, african-americans and hispanics all believe think we need to do something about clite change d 50% of those who live in cities, suburbs and rural america ree, but if the public has reached a consensus, why hasn'twe washington? , we see the biggest disagreement on climate change when we look through the prism of political parties. 71% of democrats say climate change is a serious problem and that we need to take immediate action. a 42-point increase since 1997. 47% ofen indnts also agree, a 22-point jump, but republicann opinion, sta on the issue. only 15% believe climate change

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it is absolutely i werative th get our act together on this issue. we're fighting f the future of the planet. >> this idea that science is just absolutely settled and if you don't believe it's settled then you're somehow another neandertl, that is so

inappropriate. >> back now with end game and trying to break the political paralysis. carlos curbelo, you were the -- you wanted to introduce a carboo tax. were at least trying to start the debate about a carbon tax, but as we're watching what's unfolding in france and the protests and the pushback there, is a carbon tax doable? is this the way to do it? is a vice tax the most way to go? >> the mos efficient and logical and most politically viable solution. mayor bloombergno and gov brown tried to make this point the key is that the people who are being taxed, in this case it would b all the american people, trust that the revenues are going to be put to good and that's why in the bill i filed we put almost all of of it to infrastructure because we know that's popular in this country and that most americans believe that we have to invest in our infrastructure. we also set aside some fds to mitigate higher utility rates r lower income americans. that is the key, and we know

this is true because in miami reasons entally they just passed a $200 million bon referendum, a property tax increase to fund coastal infrastructure because the citizens understood that the fundsould be put to good use, in other words to protect them. >> it doess seem if the regressive nature perhaps, anne, d how do you -- again, the person that doesn't live near an easy-to-access public transportation pstnt and the f fossil fuels. >> right, but i think if you can make them see -- the question is can you make people see the value i that ta that it's actually -- a tax is the quickest way to changeav br, and if it will help people, if it will ensure that you have eaner air, that you have less extreme weather events, that y have access to cleaner water, if people see a value, in hey might buy into it. >> our most trusted institutions are the military thedays, and it does seem as if since in the military there's been more w

experienh seeing it in realtime. >> well,he military tends to be very clear-eyed and pragmatic about effects and they are a planning culture and like to look way off into the future. what's interesting w the trump administration has been trying to take reference to the word climate changef oute national security central artery. out of defense strategy and out of dod reports a to cut funding where it can, meanwhile the congress in the last two national defense authorization acts have played -- has played a really, really important rule, sort of putting in reportingir reents. every service has to identity ten most vulnerable basis andmi gation efforts. you have to come up with an arctic strategy for when the ice melts. you have to as a combatant commander factor climate change into your operationalg. plann this gives the department top cover. i actually think the's a role for the military as that respected institution toort of be truth speakers on this and to say that this is real.

we're planning for it, and we're going to have to spend money for to be able to protect the country so, you know,et's get er it and get on with it. >> this is an interesting dymic in the congress a the president has acted irresponsibly on climate and made some, you know, reckless comments. more manned more republicans in the house have embraced in issue and accepted the science. when i got to congress there were even two or three republicans willing to utter the word climate change. today there's over 40 on the record that acknowledges this is a real issue and went on the record byoining the bipartisan climate solutions cause. >> craig fugate, you were talking aboutou were equating it to the tobacco issues, and i'm wondering what you see about the lawsuits, crab fiermen, lawsuits against oil companies, the crab fishermen versus 30 fossil fuel companies and the state of new yk versus exxon

and the state of rhode island versus chevron and the city of baltore versus bp, the idea of holding them accountable. is that a smart >> well, we saw what happened to tobacco. nce individual suits didn't make any diffe but when all the got s attorneys gener together they settled. investors want to protect their investments and seat exposures getting worset'nd t the other part of the carbon tax. we have to price risk what it costs. think about f.over $100 billion last year was put into disasers that could have been saved if we had been doing stuff ahead of s o prio so i riskme we're not building it the same way we've always done and investors will probably drive this faster than government regulations because they are seeing thesishort theness of investments that have multi-decades to pay back that are going to be disrupted in years. >> yeah, you're already seeing that in thenergy sector. i mean, we had 20 coal plants that had been retired this year. coal is a i lowest point

since 1979 when jimmy cter put solar panels on the white house the first time, and when you look at what are doing, dte in michigan, southeastern michigan, this year broke ground on a new natural gas plant, a billion dollar they are retiring coal plants and investing inenewables. economically coal doesn't make sense anymore. natural gas renewables do. >> dr. marvel, i'm curious, the impact of the trump administration has rolled back few of the actions that the obama administration put in that was targeted at some climate issues. they did a freeze on the gas mileage standard that sort of reversed obama regulations. the epa rolledack some methane rules and trump's epa also rolled back other rules having to do with coal. has that -- how much has that set usback? is it a decade back? how much time does it take to sort o get this -- just get back on the path that we were three years hoag? >> i mean, it's not a good idea, buei think have seen a lot

of action in the private sector and at the state level and more importantly at the local level, i think, you know, that's not a yes-or-no question or a black or white question. you know, we have -- president trump has signaled h inteno withdraw from the paris agreement, but we've seen it movement called we are still in. to theare still adhering paris goals, so i think -- i'm not going to say it's good news because it'sknots, but i think that's not necessarily as tastrophic as it might otherwise be. >> what -- what -- i guess -- are there -- is there any individual actions anymore,ore this just so large that -- i mean, is this one of these -- i remember going back to jimmy cart thor, hey, it was a collective action, if everyone part. their little it feels like with climate change it doesn't. it feels like it's all stuck. >> we really do need national policy tt will become international policy. that's why in a lot of carbon pricing -- >>hen we make changes as a country we galvanize.

is there a way to galvanize, craig fugate? >> the disasters are starting this process. this is something no longer in the knew. one of the regulations they rolled back was the federal flood plain, quick building one foot, let build two feet above flood level. we missed all the building to build a future risk. >> what would you do if you could dow this? would you shake us by the lapels? >> i get frustrated because i hear this administration say two fings. firstall, when they talk about pulling out of paris, they talk about -- they y, look, we've reduced greenhouse gas emissions. wee reduced greenhouse gas emissions because people have turned away from coal and yet that's exactly what this administration is promoting so it just makes no sense. >> all right. what a tremendous hour. thank you guysou for time and thoughts on this. much appreciated. that's all we have f today thank you for watching this sunday morning. on behalf of a of us on "meet the press," we want to wish you and y happy and healthy

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