presid trump insists no wall, no deal. >> you can't really do the kind of job we have to do unless you. and tt's what we're going too have to have. >> but now he faces a new democr the speaker of the house nancy pelosi, i extend to you this gavel. >> and a new speaker. >> we're not building awa ll. does anybody have any doubt that we're not doing a wall? the preg tough. >> he said he'd keep the govern closed for a very longtime, months or years. >> absolutely i said that. but exit strategy? my guest this is mornin nick mull tevainy, ny hoyer, and

republ senator susan collin us, impeachment politics. >> we're going to go in there and peach the mother. [ beep democrats shofud be cal about impeachment talk butbeill sh able to stop her new activi members? also,der politics. no sooner elizabeth warren announ for presidt -- >> hel seioux city. >> that we started to see commen like this. the debate over different treatm g on the presid campaign trail. joinin me for insight and analys are sakie hunt, david brooks columnist for "the new york t former d congna edwards, and matthecontinetti. welcom "meet the p >> announcer: from nbc n s in washin the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck

todd. good sunday morning. will b first "meet the pr of the new year. govern shutdown is now in s 16th day and, well, second year. tying it for the third longest inhistory and the problems for everyo piling up.te though national parks are open, they are not staff means a lot of places are beginning to look like this. in addition, the federal food stamp program which he services 38 million low income americans facessevere cuts. and so$140 billn in tax refunds, your mone frozen or delayed. democrats th willin to provide funding, the goal seems to be deny president trump a victory and th wall has become a symbol. it's no longer just about keepin illegal immigrants out,i about keeping his base in. senato lindsey graham made th point clear on fox earlier this >> if in now, that's the end of 2019 in terms of him being an effective president. that's probably the end of his

presid >> we have f critical playersom all corners of this presid trump's acting chief of staff cho is negotiating for the wh house moderateder, and a republ senator who is up for reelec 2020 who is caught in the siddle. it'sring contest in which neithe the president nor the demo an incentive to blink each views this shutdo as a political winnerit and nece for them. >> i'm very proud of doing what i'm doing. i don't call it a shutdown. >> with the government shutdown in the third week, presidentgi trump is d in. >> he said he'd keep the govern closed for a very long period of time, monthsr ev years. >> absolutely i said that i don't think it will. but i'prepared. >> president trump said democr don't give him $5.6 b for a border wall, he could use emergency powers to divertfunds. we can call a nat emerge and build it very quickl a o it's another wayf doingit. but if we can do it through a give thatcess, a shot.

>> the president's latest threat comes as he's xed in and grasping are for an off ramp that w alienate media and base ahead. republicans have to st the course. you can't back down. now the president's base is now deeply iested in this shutdo the president has taken a stand and it for the republ to do the same. in dece ject a short term spending bill passed byhe senate after it was panned by immigration hawks. set out a number, $5.6 billion. we're ve firm on a number. >> still, someli repns who face tough re-election fights are pleading with the president to end the shutdown wall or n wall. >> let government open and have a debate. >> the allies of the president ve floated a short term plan w to grantork permits to so-cal dreamers in exchange for thewallunding. >> give president the $5 billion we nee wall/border security as a down payment to securing

the border. the daca population, ab 700,00 give them work permits. >> but it's no the clear the presid willor supp it or what insentive house democrats buied by the new ma jorj would ve to accept that offer. >> is there any situation you o wall funding for this president in ord to open the govern >> a dollar? a dollar. one dollar? a wall is an immorality. w it's n we are as a nation. >> democrats have to worry about their own grassroots. this week freshmanongresswoman talib of michigan revived the debate over impeachment after w these commene caught on tape. >> we're going to go in there and impeach the mother. [ beep >> i don't like that language. i wouldn't use that language. i don't, again, establish any langua standards for my collea i don't think it's anyth worse than e president has -- what the president has said. b

democr supported impeachment so it may not be a question of whethe impeachment proceedings begin but when. >> istand bympeaching the presid the united states. i ran on that. democratic and r negoti supposedly planni meet again today after yesterday's meeting in the words of president trump, didn't make m head way. i sat down with the president's acting chief of staff shortly after those talks on saturday broke up. and i began by asking him, why so little progress is made? >> the first line that the chief negoti said is we're not here to agree to anything which is a stunning way to start a negoti and then -- >> why is that stunning? of the bosses we there and the president nobody was there to make a deal final there question. >> it was clear nobody was there to make a final deal? >> correct. the mandate is find agreement on the underlying terms. >> okay. >> not agree to how much money we're gointo spend but do you

think that ports of e to be included? do we think that? yes. then let's put that in the thing we agree on. do we disagree on a wall or really agree that maybe a steel fence qualifies as a fence and not a wall? do we want to build a steel barrie anyway? havinghose conversations. the di a bunch of technical requests that democr were asking for for the first timever inthese negoti so i think this is going to drag on a lot longer. t' think t by intention. >> obviously there is a lot of distru here. part o this seems to be genera by the president himsel he empowered the vice president to potentially cut a deal. the democrats rejected the vicef presid of $2.5 billion. but parentally it's because the presid he never would have agreed to it. so the democrats have this attitu what they tell us ishe that can't trust anybody in the room other than the presid >> no. i thinthat. i'll tell you the pres them when we were in the meeting. look, i sent the vice president down with a piece of paper to

the senate minority leader, chuck schumer. that our proposal. you're now clming or they were claimi yesterday or two days ago they had unnamed sources in the wh saying it s no longer part of the deal. is sil. when the vice president of the united direct instruction of president walks in with a piece paper, that' a deal. they walked away fm it. and no longer on the table becaus it was a deal we were rying to get in place before the shutdown. >> but the president said that is not it's not at all. he sai not on the table anymor that is the deal to try to preven the government from shutti down in the first place. i think it was technically the day after and we had a couple days t because of the holida foras chris we wer trying to do our best to get the government open before it became a i seriousue. >> i want to ask you how your mind changed onhe fence. to go back to an infamous audio record made th rounds. we pla this audio on how you descri the boreder in 2015. take a listen. to just say bui fence have that be the end of an immigration discussion is

absurd and almost childish for someon running for presidento take t simplistic of view. by the way, the bottom line is the fe stop anybody that wants to get across. you go over, under, threw. the ranchers say they don't nees person or just acting as the presid advocate? >> i think there is an economist that -- i don't remember wh gets credit for it, he said whe change what do yodo, sir? we had 60,000 people try to cross border every mon for the last three months. things on the ground are differ and when the circumstances change you change your opinio the fences that we have built on the southern border, the ones that are already there under republ leadership, democt leader san diego, el paso, more t effective in preven criminal immigration. we need more of that. do we need it from coast to coast, 2,000 miles all waitss ac no. the president admitted as such.

of nowhere where w technologl b. but a barrier, call it a wall or fence, the president said he didn't care what y call it, he even to let the democr help him design someth he says as long as it's ef ct he doesn't care what you call it. need something to people from coming into thisun illegally. >> let me ask you this though. measur you keep claiming there is a crisis president sai declar national emergency and build the wall. why hasn't he? >> it's not easy to do. >> you were looking for funds. you were looking to see if you dpi the money. absolutely the president made it clear severa months ago i need you to find every pot ofoney you possib can to help with this crisis and everybody has done that. the office of management and budget which is where i was was intima involved in that. so why shut down the govern if this is what he can do, and it's not the whogovernment. you're sort of punishing one slice of the government for this fight when if you- the

negoti can still go on. if you think can you do it anothe wahe you have o levera why hold 800,000 people's payche if the don't get paid on 1 januth, they won't get any money until january 25th. >> there mayhoe some get paid for the 25th. i'm putting back the old omb hat but if you're right, if we don't have a agreement by midnight on the eighth which isy, tuesda then payroll will not go out as originplanned. >> and we're talking now a month. a month for people without a payche >> congress is not even coming back until tuesday. nancy pelosi is not coming back - >> and i'm going to ask two other members where their sense uofgency is. at the end of the day, why hold this part of the government hostag for a political fight? >> you ask that of both sides. if i was sitting here talking to nancy s pelosi y are you holdin all of these 800,000 worker >> she might then say, doel

ti any consequences? s i ask the president in t of the campaign tr to make immigr the issue. voters responded how? by hnding democrats 40 house seats. you look across border states there is one democr seat in arizona. almost the upset of the century in texas. more house members. if you look at it from an electi can't you say voters that live near the border sent messag to the president, no wall. >> you and i both know that there is a lot more involved than one issue when it comes to electi candid still cot the overal environment counts. you could put that on the table but it certainly far from defini the better question is this. is the status quo acceptable? >> daca for the wall? is that de ever back on the table if the supreme court says it can't be done with executive order? is that deal back on the table? >> the president is very stere in larger immigration reform d that publicly and privat

he wants to solve immigration. okay? i think he would tell you it's too hard to do it it's a huge issue. you know it. if it was easy to do, it would have been done re. you talk about complete control of the house and senate. democr had it in 2008 and 60s vo the senate. >> they couldn't find 60 votes. >> that's right. it's h to do.e esident is -- i think the presid position is i'm more intt but if we wait to do that now, this government will be closed for a long time which ion't that wants. lindsey graham had the president caves in that's the end of -- you know, the base will band him and end of his presid why do you think the president can't lead the base to a why is this idea that -- i mean, he implication here is that essent shawn hannity, rush limbau and ann coulter have re sway over the president's base than the president? is that the implication >> i'v seen that. i woul make the argument the presid hasvore sway

sean hannity and ann coulter than vice versa. you know i like lindsey graham. he's a good friend of mine from south carolina he's not as good of a politi as donald trum or else he'd be presid they both ran. the president is interested in resolv >> here's one thing that i didn't hear throughout our entire interview. what is it -- >> because you didn't ask. >> wha the president offering the democ what's off on their side? now i the president wants. i came up in the big eight as they c them, leaders from thehouse, publican, democr was willing to agree and mentio at the rose garden press keconference, to a concrete wall off the table. that -- if that isot eviden of our willingness to solve the problem, okay, because again what is driving this is the president's desire to change the conditions at the anborder. if he has to give up a concre wall and replace it a so that democrats can say, see, he's not building a wall

anymor th should help us move forwar >> you want the headline to be the president no longer wants a wa wants a fence? >> the president is going to >> the president is going to secure the bored we are barrie >> would he be comfortable saying that? >> i think he said it was going to be 30 foot high steel. he tweeted acture of it. we told the democrats this two weeksago. is what we want to ou. dohink this is a wall? actual under the way the law is written right now techni it's not a wall. but if that's not evidence of the president's desire to t to rl of this, i don' resolv this, i don't know what is. mick mull vainy, you haven' given you have your title. let us you do. >> joining me is ersteny hf maryla welcom back to "meet the press, thanks, >> let me start with that last mcmulvaney said the president is taking concrete wl off the table. if that is not evidence is

trying to compromise, he doesn't know what is. do you take that oo ad faith offer? >>it is an offer he made and it will b discussed. but the fact of theis matter you used mick mulvaney's quote, but yo senator joh cornyn who says i don't think we're going to be able to solve border securi with a physical barrier becaus people can come under, around through it. the border wall is probably not a smart investment said lindsey graham mike mccall, the chairman of th homela securmmittee said, you have to understand, too, that a 30 foot concrete way is a v expensive propos and there are a lot of other thingse can do, be doing technology wise to make it a smart border that is more effect an more cost effici this is not a democratic positi this is a prettyn broad posit that this does not make sense. what we ought to do is open up the government first.

and that's what we're going to do. we passed legislation last thursd that would open up the govern i would hopeen thator mcconn would take the respon as the leader of the co-equal branch of govern and send this to the presid that would open up would start serving the america people >> you regret not taking t deal that vice president pence offere $2.35 billion and maybe you co said here's mfoe mone border security? you guys call it border security and all this and you wld have reopen the government? >> we were ready to take the eal that vice president offere and senator mcconnell took that offer. he passed a bill -- >> he didn't pass th one. unr s pass that bill. theyejected the senate bills, the republican bills. and when you say have we ro coave voted for and are prepared to vote for republbills. these e allhe republican bills from the last congress. and as a matter of fact, chuck,

as you know we're going to make every effort to open up govern next week. we're feing to two bills to open up the financial servic which will ma sure that taxpayers get refunds. we're going to open up ag to makeopure that p get food stamps we're going to open up hud in order to make sure that housing so people interior can use their parks. when is e? i want to play a clip a from guy named steny hoyer to you from 2011. take a listen. >> okay. >> there does come a time when the amerecan public e us to be able to act. gridlo is not what they voted for. the priorities that we have agreed to in this resolution are not my priorities. bute have reached agreement. >> basically you have said you suppor things. you have had to vote things you didn't support before. it ill happenain. >> chuck, let me reiterate what we voted fo last thursday were

republ bills. all bills. no democtic bill. and we took them as they were passed to the senate. we're going to do the same thing this week. the difference is we'll do it bill by bill so we can help taxpay and people who need food assistance and people who need housing eovouchers,le who need flood insurance. we'll do it one by one. i would hope that mitch mcconn the leader of t united senate would repres the congress of the unitedstates, t co-equal branch that says we believe we ought to open up g mitch mcconnell believes we >> you need a presidentia signat at the end of the day. you ne presidentia signat for the government. you may not like any of the ways that president has concted himsel how he's conducted these negotiations can yo claim they'veot been in good faith. what is it though -- >> that's pretty close to thear fair enough. when is it your responsibility to say these federal workers have t paid and i may have

to eat this? >> we don't think the swalwal i good technology to do this.re thon i read the republican views that say the wall is not th technology we ought to pursue is because this is a differ substanht. we o to have that argument on the substance. and not be held hostage, 8,000 federa employees, millions of people who need food stamps. >> i in rs tha that. >> he is being held hostage. >> don't these people neet to paid? >> we're for strengthening border security. as a mfact, of the positi things that happened in was senator durbin brought up the fact that there was insuff dollars in the homela security bill to have the technology tohe have electr ability to see what is in all these trucks that como our border every day. we're prepared to negotiate on that. >> are you willing did give them

fence?on a >> chuck -- >> a steel fence? he doesn't call it a wall. can you aept that? >>chuck, let me say, we've done fencin in the past. so you'll future >> we've done fencing in the st . howeve what is happening today and hopefully the administration will co, thedministration has not come up with any specif plan as to how tiny're to spend this money. now, remember, i understand itl was th congress. the president said to mitch mcconnell, i'lln sis bill. mitch signed a bill. he sent it to the house. we wer prepared to vote for thatthill but republicans wanted shut down the govern we need to open g upernment and then negotiate. not the other way around. we're preparedo negotiate. we're prepared to have the homela surity bill approved for short term so that we have to negotiate. >> is an impeachment process inevit >> i don't tnk so and that's not what we're focuse on. we're focused on bills. we hav to focus on getting the

governopen. that's our primary first respon >> are impeachment talks a distra >> i think they're a distra we'll have to see what the muelle report says. nancy and ioth said that. we voted that way on the floor of the house of representatives. what we want to do is concen on our substantive agenda we want to make re that we get reform done and redistrictin and campaign finance reform, on voting rights. we want to make sure we get ethica reforms. we want to make sure we focus on wages and health care. all of those issues that we campai on. >> steny leyer, i have te it there. the house majority leader, new house majority leader -- new again, congratulations. >> i'm hopeful, as i said, that mitconnell as we pass these bills will send them to the presid and we will continue to negotiate on making sure our boreders ar secure. >> we'll find out this week, i hope. when we come back with the shutdo impacting more people every day, will one side give in and say enoughad al or are we really in for a

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goldmasachs. no, listening to the conver the thing that strike is we're theountry that won world war ii. we defeated the japanese and fascis and launched this compli thing and now we ent becauseur gover we can't decide if it's a concre wall or a steel fence or a row of ferns. it's like a sign of government dysfun seems to me the answer is just sittin front of everyone daca is the wall for the deal and the reason that has not gotten done is because both sides have loaded up a bunch of stuff on that simple deal and made it impossible for the other side to accept. so some bsic competence in negoti would just get us out of this. it seems to me cap would compromise if the not in >> it' how many times doe have t a bipartisan thing under deadline? it simply doesn't wor that way. and in this case, the political incent are just all screwed up. mean, in previous shutdowns usuall somebody has been trying

to for shutdown because they want toi . that is not the case here. of congress doesn't want a shutdo simply not clear how they get anywhe without somebody simply caving in. the president has essentially backed himself into a corner. this is -- i covered now more shutdowns than ray care t think about. and i do not see a way out of this one. wherea the others, you cosed how the political pressure was going to build on one side. i was inevitable they would eventu cave n that doesn't seem to be the case here. as i middle that's not the case here. fact, democr have public opinion behind them. public wants the government open and they don't like the idea of a wall. >> but the president has his republ party a his suppor strongly behind him. the real question is when does the pain threshold become too muoo? >>uch for either side.

that's why it is interesting that you see some publicans in e house, some republicans two or three in the senate voice,it mayb is time to reopen part of the government until we nego. democr are the party and party employees. if this thin stretches on for months then maybe their own ase starts saying, you know what? it's j$5 billion. we need to be paid. what is i repres the district right here, plenty of government er wo what do you think the pain thresh is going to be for member of congress that used to? i think the pain threshold is going to hit this week. this is t week where paychecks should be going out. tos the week where you beg see more than just trash piling up at the national parks.ea where y are in pain. ded keep in mind that of those 800,00 fl workers and the additi contractors, probably

80% of themacive some other than the washington member country in distri and senators in their states going to begin to hiar from the subcontractors and federa employeess really is causin them pain. they'r not able to make the mos,ga payme daycare paymen all of those things in additi to the things that mr. hoyer mentioned. and so i think this is the week, to me, this is the crucial week when those stories start to comd out an is not sustainable, partic with some of the ar senato who going to be up -n 2020 and are vulnerable. >> what are yourf you were there now, would you want the leader to be willing to be a little more agreeable on thi or not? >> here's what the across the street offered. for t first time ever tha imagi passed a republican bill. they didn't have to d that. they did it to say here we're going open. i think this week a strategy of beginn to pass these

indivi bills that havehe passed senate and open up parts of the government that provid servi is one direct then it leaves open the opport to justegotiate around the department of homela security. >> this is all about senrete bl >> i think it is all about senate republicans. and mitch mcconne a is in very strang spot. you heard him say repeatedly this week i'm not putting someth on t floor the presid won't sign. that is interpreted as mitch mcconn along with this presid on the border wall. i read something different into it which is to say that he was assure by a third party, mike pence at lunch one day, presid was going to sign the thing he was going to put on the floor. and then all of a suddentu that ed out not to be true. mitch mcconnell said you don't kick of the mule. he said i'm confident we won't have a shutdown. here we are. he was embarrassed. so there is really no -- tre is n advantage for him in doing that again. on the other hand, mitch mcconn shutdowns are badpolitics. he said iton a milnd one

times. he knows it's bad for the vulner republicans in 2020. that ijununderlying thing f thi ves, it's probably there. >> i think there might be pressu senate republ but president trump is still fixate that base. he to have the shutdown contin to such a point that can turn to his base and say i gave it my all. we're not there yet. and he needs that base because the base is the difference betwee a 42% approval rating and a 35% approval rating. ntim. he needs those people in case there is an impeachment. >> the president -- who is more fixate onmp chment the new house democrats o the president of the united states? take a listen to him on friday on this topic. >> we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment? and nancy said,e're not lookin impeach you. i said that's good, nancy. that's good. you no he what? you don't impeach people when

they'r doing a good job. >> david, he brings it up as much as some of the new member of congress do. >> i love him for a g who is sort of not totally honest, he is totally unhidden. he reveals everything.s hean transp mueller investigation is someth he tweets about all the time. are a bunch of invest what he's going to do and why it's going to getly so is i assume something i happen there are a bunch of invest thome sort of indict not to defend himself the weyrich a% weyrich a% weyri richar nixon defend himself. donald is going to try to hims instit donna, is impeachment hearin inevitable? >> i d it's inevit democr are prepared to go where the evidence takes them and the question is nancy pelosi holdin that at bay so that the eviden is there. inl ne we're quite there we're

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stuck in the middle these days. she hascompany. she's one of six republican senators in 2020 who are from states that hil wry clinton or from states that could reasonably be called tossup or ring collins has called for an end to the shutdown, wall or no wall. they are pressur from publicans and democrats. susan collins joins me now. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> you heard people in the room. did you hear any pe? >> i'm always hopeful. i have never thought that shutdowns are an appropriate means of trying to achieve any kind of solution. this isn't a mattere of one s or the other caving in. it's a matter of getting to a compromise.

and that's a sign of strength. and it's important that we esmember that real l are being affected here. the0,000 federal employees, dedicated public servants who won't get a paycheck next friday if this isn't resolved very soon. >> is steel for con reasonable compromise offer from the white house? i>> well, have always thought that the debate over what the physical barrier should be constructed of was rather bizarre. we do need to strength our bordersecurity. we know that 90% of the heroin is coming across the southern border along with human traffickers and a lot of unaccompanied children. that's not good either. but we needoo to at more than just the physical barrier. we need to look at moreorr patrol agents, technology and other means as well. >> let me ask you .th

the senate ed adjourned 11:00 a on friday. you are not alone. you don't nvree until tuesday. where is the urgency? >> well,chuck, just as i can talk to you from maine, i also have been talking to my colleagues. i had -- i don't mean about you. i'm talking about in general. where is the urgency in reshington, in co? it seems sort of blase. well, i certainly feel a sense of urgency to get people back to work and government reopened. i think many of my colleagues do. i think that we need to makur this first priority. >> do you think mitch mcconnellu has done ? he has made the decision, he has said, this is between the democrats and the president. he has said he is not going to bring uplsny b he doesn't think the president will sign. does he feel burned by the white

house? do you think he shoul be more aggressive here and put some of the bills back on t floor? >> well, i can't speak for senator mcconll. but would like to see him bring the house passed bil to the senate floor. we could open much of government where there's no dispute over issues involving certain departments le ag, transportation, housing, interior. t's get those reopened while the negotiations continue. but to be fair to senator mcconnell, the fact is that unle chuck schumer and speaker pelosi agree and the president agrees to sign a bill, we c pass bills but they won't become law. that's why i understand the point that senator mcconnell is making about these important negotiations that are, infact, ongoing. >> there are yourself, senator

gardner, senator tillis have goken out. let's reopen ternment and continue the debate. you are the only three tha have gone public on the republican side of the aisle. privately, how anxious are s ye r colleagues? >> well, there have been others. lamar alexander didxcnlent column in which he outlined three possible compromises t get government open. one you talked about and we advanced last year when there which wasfer shutdown that we would have border security funded at $2.5 billion and we would give a path to citizenship for thosedreamers, those very young adults who are brought to this country through no decision ofir own by their parents. that's a possible compromise on th issue. i would note tt 46 out of the 49 democrats in the senate voted for that compromise just last march.

>> let me ask you this.e we now in our third shutdown since president trump took office. it seems like there's chaos whei decisions get made. think syria as the most recen example. when is enough enough for you? you have expressed displeasure the past. is it accumulating for you to the point where you are running out of patience? >> governmenthuowns are never good policy. and we have had them in the obam administration. we have had them in president trump's administration. we should always get the appropriations bills signed intf lawe the start of the fiscal year so that neither side can use the threat of a shutdown or the reality of a shutdown as a political weapon. >> okay. i guess -- what is your level of satisfaction with how the president is conducting himself in office?'m that's where getting. are you losing patience with his

nduct? >> well, i'm frustrated in this tuation that we have gotten to this point where both sides appear to be intransigent it's not a sign of weakness to try to figure out a middle ground. i think that both sides need to indicate a willingness to listen and to compromise. >> you have said you intend seek re-election in 2020. that is not a firm announcement. what is going into your decisi? is it mor professional and political or is it more personal? >> well, it's a combination of f ctors. i'm very proude service that i've given to the people of maine, and i'm getting ready to run. frankly, i just think it's too early to make that kind of decision. but i am getting prepared, and i'll make a final decision

towards the end of this year. youknow, it used to be that we used the off year to actually legislate and left the politics to the election year. that's what i would prefer to do. >> senator collins, that's the last i century. ar you. i miss the odd years on policy and even on >> exactly. >> happen y new year. >> thank you, chuc c when we back, republicans lost the house. those who areeft may be more pro trump than ever. that's next. re pro trump than e. (burke) parking splat. and we covered it. talk to farmers.

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i think we have that response t that "politico" tweet up there. when did e. warren become pin point it to moments she showed ambitions to be potos a far as women come, people still find women with ambg.ion vex there is something i don't like.

donna edwards,you've been on a ballot >> i feel it. having been anunlikeable aggreswoman. that's how i was described. i really feel that. i do think that if additional women get into t fieldhat that changes that conversatio a little bit. but elizabeth warren p herself out there and those are the kind of arrows she is getting. it fa? no. i don't thinit's fair the aall. we have to change that conver women want that conversao tore changed. >> is it going to be more women get in this race? becaus on one hand, e,ka we someti organize presidentia fields by ideollaicals, geogra lanes. if it's an identity politics lane, thenthis becomes what? >> people are already splitting it up that way. i go back to this. the article, humor column said quite on point, i thought in sayingwell, you know, i never really didn't like hillary clinto i way for a woman presid just not her. elizab warren,e i would

ready fwfo4=u her, but there i someth about her i don't like.know, there is something about camilla harris i'm not a liki i couldn't tell you why. i think gets at the root of this. is it possible for a woman candid to ever get beyond that? and there is also a "new ryrk times" s actually that walks throug this idea that there are some democrats who are even worrie about nominating a woman to run against presidentrump which up a whole other set of barriers within the so very, very real. you know, jennifer palmieri didn't always think the way did until she went to work for hillar looked around and wched how she was covere and said okay this is real. >> you know, david, it's intere the initial hi on elizabeth warren politically, if you were going ask the question, can dr massachusetts libe and win the presidency, they tried twice in the last -- for over a generation and lost. but that isn't the comparison. there is a point here, isn't there? >> there is a point. i think as more women get in, if we get five or six women in the race, as the race gets started,

it will look isdifferent. s probably not going to be a politics primary the range of opinions about americ capitalism has widened on the democratic party and the republ party. radica different views of the role o th that's what elizabeth warren is runnin on. there pretty big issues the table. once the campaign gets going, we'll be done with the preseason chatte >> as she is launching, matthew, "the new york time comes out with a pretty rough look back a. t up thisheadline, "new york times" sexism claims from bernie sander run. was asked about thi. let me play for you his response to it. >> i certainly alogized to any woman that felt she was not treate appropriately. and, of course if, do next time. >> and just be clear, you seem to indicate that you did not know at the time about the allega

is that correct? >> yes. i was little bit busy running around the country trying to makee. the c >> boy, that didn't seem like a good answer did it? >> he took some heat for that. and, of course, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren will will likely be comatting over t same set of voters on the progre side of the democr party. i look at warren,, she's attractin high level campai she certainly has the most policy chops and demind message defined message of the candid but she has this burden of having high name id and low personal favorabil onna, she's weeken she was asked about the infamous dna te. very interesting the way she respon a voter. a voter asked this, not a report take a listen. >> yeah, well, you know, i' glad you asked that question. i genuinely am glad to have a chance to talk about it. i am not a person ofcolor.

i am not a citizen of a tribe. tribal citizenship is very differ from ancestry >> how did she hand this will? >> mean, i think she is -- she unders that she's going to ask. she understands she has to refram it a little bit differ and i actually think that that right there was the closehat she has come to acknowledging that she misstepped in the and i think this is going to be, you know, a story that is not going tbe there the long term. she does have those policy chops that people are looking for. but also, i don't thk the era of identity politics is over becaus a lot of women,leor pef color who are the base of thera democc party, our identi is our politics. >> think that is absolutely right. hat comment remind me, it's hard to catch lightning a bottle twice. her moment i think was four years ago. momentum t of shechl was the new face. bernie sanders was the new face. now there are a lot of faces. is a moment where you feel generationa turns,ou

el demographic turns, you feel a lot of people looking to the future i think it will be hard for warren and sanders tcome back >> that's the problem, she's no. >> yeah. outf 12 options in a rt pollit was someone new. and despite all these choices they have, so who that person is, we have yet to see. i do th argume for a woman candidate as well. if you look at the house and that excitement we saw this no question about that. the question is, w two both be women? ngthat will be an interes develo that's all we have for today. thank watching. weke glad to be bn 2019. we'll be back here next week as well because if it's sunday, it's " it's time for our lowest prices of the season on

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