but there's television. presidump insists no wall, no deal. >> you can't really do the kind of job we have to do unless you. and that's what we're going too have to have. >> but now he faces a new democr thepeaker of the house, nancy pelosi, i extend to you this gavel. >> and a n speaker. >> we're not building a wall. does anybody have any doubt that we're not doing a wall? the pre tough. >> he said he'd keeprn the closed for a very longtime, months or years. >> absolutely i said that. but exit strategy? my guest this is morning, nick mull vainy, steny hoyer,

republ senator susan collin plus, impeachment politics. we're going to go in there andac imh the mother. be[ beep democrats should care about impeachment talk but will she be able to stop her new activi members? also, gender politics. no sooner elizabeth warren announ for president -- >> hel seioux city. >> that we started to see commen like this. the debate over differentn treatm get the presid campaign trail. m joine for insight and analys are sakie hunt, david ooks columnist for "the new york t former congre donna edwards, a matthecontinetti. welcom "meet the p >> announcer: from nbc news in washin the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck

todd. good sunday morning. will b first "meet the pr of the new ear. govern shutdown is now in its 16th day and, well, second year. tying it for the third longest in history and the problems f everyo piling up. litera though national parks are open, they are not staff means a lot of places are beginning to look like this. in addition, the federal food stamp proghem which services 38 million low income americans faces severe cuts. and so$140 billion in tax refunds, your mone frozen or delayed. democrats th willin to provide funding, the goalem to be deny president trump a victory and the wall has become a symbol. it's no longer just about keepin illegal immigrants out, it's about keeping his base in. senato lindsey graham made that point clear on fox earlier this >> if in now, that's the end of 2019 in terms of him being an effective president. that's probably the end of his

presid >> we have critical players from all corners of this drama, presid trump's acting chief of staff cho the wh house ng for majorileader, and a moderate republ senator who is upfor reelec 2020 who is caught in the middle. it's a staring contest in which ithe the president nor the democr an incentive to blink each views this shutdo as a political winner and necessity for them. >> i'm very proud of doing what i'm doing. i don't call it a shutdown. >> with the government shutdown in the third week, president trump is digging in. >> he said he'd keep the govern closed for a very long period of time, months or even years. >> absolutely i said that i don't think it will. but i'prepared. >> president trump said if democr don't give him $5.6 b for a border wall, he could use emergency powers to divertfunds. we can call a nat emerge and build it very i quickl andt's another way of doingit. but if we can do it through a negoti process, wegive that

a shot. >> the president's latest threat comes asd he's bo and grasping are for an off ramp that w alienate media and base ahead. >>licans have to stay the course. you can't back down. now the president's base is now deeply invested in this shutdo the president has taken a stand and it time for the republ toohe same. in december reje a short term spending bill passed by the senate after it was panned by immigration hawks. set out a number, $5.6 billion.i we're veryrm on a number. >> still, some republicans who face tough relection fights e pleading with the president to end the shutdown wall or no wall. >> let government open and have debate. >> the allies of the president plan loated a short ter to grant work permits to so-cal dreamers in exchange for the funding. >> give president the $5 billion we nee wall/border security as a down payment to securing

the border. the daca population, about o700,00 give them permits. >> but it's no the clear the presid will support it or what insentive house democrats buied by the new ma jorj would have to accept that offer. is there any situation you ac wall funding for this president in ord to reopen the govern >> a dollar? a dollar. one dollar? a wall is an immorality. it's not who we are as a nation. >> democrats have to worry about their own grassroots. this week freshman congresswoman talib of michigan revived the fter e over impeachment these comments were caught on tape. >> we're going to go in thered impeach the mother. [ beep >> i don't like that language. i wouldn't use that nguage. stdon't, again, establish any languadards for my collea i don't think it's anyth worse than the president has -- what the president hut said. n

democr supportedimpeachment so it may not be a question of whethe impeachment proceedings begin but when. >> i by impeaching the presid the united states. i ran on that. democratic and r negoti supposedly planni meet again today after yestery's meeting inhe words of president trump, didn't make m head way. i sat dow with the president's acting chief of staff shortly after those talks on saturday broke up. and i began by askinghim, why so little progress is made? >> the first line that the chief negoti said is we're not here to agree to anything which is atuing way to start a negoti and then -- >> why is that stunning? of the bosses wer there and the president nobody was there to make a deal final there question. >> it was clear nobody was there to make a final deal? >> correct. the mandate is find agreement on the underlying terms. >> okay. nd not agree to how much money we're going to s but do you

think that ports of ent need to be included? do we think that? yes. then let's put that in the thing agree on. do we disagree on a wall or really agree that maybe a steel fence quifies as a fence and not a wall? do we want to build a steel barrie anyway? having those nversations. the di a bunch of technical requests that democr were asking for for the firer time e in these negoti so i think this is going to drag on a lot longer. i think that's by intention. >> obviously there is a lot of distru here.hi part of seems to be genera by the president himsel he empowered the vice president to potentially cut a deal. the democrats rejected the vice presid offer of but parentally it's because the presid he never would have agreed to it. so the democrats have this ti what they tell us is that they can't trust anybody in the room other than the presid >> no. i thinthat. i'll tell you the presid them when we were in the meeting. look, i sent the vice president down with a piece of paper to

the senate minority leader, chuck schumer. that our proposal. you're now claiming or they were claimi yesterday or two dao hey had unnamed sources in the wh saying it was no longer part of the deal. issill. when the vice president of the united direct instruction ith aesident walks in piece paper, that' a deal. they walked away from it. and no longer on the tcale it was a deal we were trying to get in place before the shutdown. >> but the president said that is not it's not at all. he sai not on the table anymor that is the deal to try to ov preven thenment from shutti down in the first place. i think it was technically the day after ande had a couple days t because of the holida for christmas. we wer trying to do our best to get the government open before s became arious issue. >> i want to ask you how your mind changed onhe fence. to go back to an infamous audio made the rounds. youla this audio on how descri the boreder in 2015. take a listen. to just say bui fence have that the end of an immigration discussion is

absurd and almost chiish for meon running for president to take t simplistic of view. by the way, the bottom line is the fe stop anybody that wants to get acros you go over, under, threw. the ranchers say they don't nees person or just acting as the presid advocate? >> i think there is an economist that -- i don't remember who gets credit for it, he sd when change what do you do, sir? we had 60,000 people try to cross border every month for the last three months. things on the ground are differ and when the circumstances change you change your opinion. the fences that we have built on the southern border, the ones that are already there under republ leadership, democrat leader san diego, el paso, more t effective in prevenriminal mmigration. we need more of that. do we need it from coast to coast, 2,000 miles all wait across no. the president admitted as such.

of nowhere where technology wil. but a barrier, call it a wall or fence, the presiden said he didn't care what you call it, he even to let the democr help him design someth he says as long as it's effect he doesn't care what you call hi. need som to preven people from coming into this countr illegally. >> let me askhi you though. kno measur you keep claiming there is a crisis president sai declar national emergency and build the wall. why hasn't he? >> it's not easy to >> you were looking for funds. you were looking to see if you dpi the money. >> absolutely. the president made it clear vera months ago i need you to find every pot of money you possib can to help with this crisis and everybody has done the. ffice of management and budget which is where i was was intima involved in that. so why shut down the govern if this is what he can do, and it's not the whole government. you're sort of punishing one slice of the government for this

fight when if you -- the negoti can still go on. if you think can you do it anothe way, you have other levera why hold 800,000 people's payche if the don't g paid on januar 11th, they won't get any money until january 25th.e >> there may some who get paid for the 25th. i'm putting back the old omb hat on. but if you're right, if we don't have a agreement by midnight on the eightwhich istuesday, then payroll will not go out as originplanned. t>> and we'relking now a month. a month for people without a payche >> coness is not even coming back until tuesday. nancy pelosi is not coming back - >> and i'mg go to ask two other members where their sense of urgency is. at the end of the day, why hold this part of t government hostag for a political fight? >> you ask that of both if i was sitting here talking to nancy pelosi yshgs a are you holdin all of 800,000 worker >> she might then say,

electi any consequences? s i ask the president in t of the camign tr to make migr the issue. voters responded how? by handing democrats 40 house seats. you look across border states here is onew democr seat in arizona. almost the upset of the century in texas. more house mbers. if you look at it from an electi can't you say voters that livnear the border sent a messag to the president, no wall. >> you and i both know that there islo a more involved than one issue when it comes to electi candid still count the overal environment counts. you could put that on the table but it certainlyfar from defini the better question is this. is the status quo acceptable? >> daca for the wall? is that deal ever back on the table if the supre c court says 't be done with executive order? is that deal back on the table? >> the presidt is very intere in larger immigration reform he said that publicly and

privat he wants to solve immigration. okay? i think he would tell you it's too hard to do it quickly. it's a huge issue. you know it. if it was easy to do,ha it woul been done before. you talk about complete control of the house and se iate. democr h in 2008 and 60 votes in the senate. >> they ouldn't find votes. >> that's right. it's h to do. the president is -- i think ther id position is i'm more interest that. but if we wait to do that now, this government will be closed for a long timeon which i think he wants. lindsey graham if the president caves in that's the end of -- you know, the base will band him andis end of presid why do you think the president can't lead the base to a comp why is this idea that -- i mean, the implication here is that essent shawn hannity, rush limbau and ann coulter have more sway over the president's basehan the president is that the implication >> i'v seen that. i woul make the argument the presid hase m sway over

sean hannity and ann coulter than vice versa. you know i like lindsey graham. he's a good friend of mine from south carolina. he's not as good of a politi as donald trum or else he'd be presid they both ran. the president is interested in resolv issue. >> here's one thing that i dn't hear throughout our entire interview. what is it -- >> because you didn't ask. >> wha the president offering the demn what's offereir side? now it's the president wants. i came up meetin the big eight as they c them, leaders from thehouse, republican, democr was willing to agree and mentio at the rose garden press conference, to take a concrete wall off the table. that -- if that is not eviden ofur willingness to solve the problem, okay, because again wh is driving this is the president's desire to change the conditions at therd . and if he has to give up a concre wall and replace it a so that democrats can say, see, he's not building a wall

thatd help us move anymor forwar >> you want the headline to be the president no lonr wants a wall, he wants a fence? >> the president is going to >> the president is going to secure the bored we are barrie >> would he be comfortable ying that? >> i think he said it was going to be 30 foot high steel. tweeted a picture of it. we told the democrats this two weeksago. is what we wantd. to u do you think this is a wall? actual under the way the law is writtenight now, techni it's not a wall. but if that's not evidence of the president's desire to try to resol of this, i don atsolv this, i don't know is. mick mull vainy, you haven' given you have your title. let us you do. >> joining me steny hoyer of maryla welcom back to "meet the press, chanks,k. >> let me start with that last mcmulvaney said the president is taking concrete wall off the table.

if that is not evidence is trying to compromise, he doesn't know what is. do you tak that as a good faith offe >> it is an offer he made and it will b discussed. but the fact of the matter is you used mick mulvaney's quote, but yo senator joh cornyn who says i don't think we're tgoing to be able solve border securi with a physical barrier becaus people can come under, aroundhrough it. the border wall is probably not a smart investment said lindsey graham mike mccall, the chairman of the homela security committee said, you have to understand, too, that a 30 foot concrete a wall i very expensive propos and there are a lot of other things w can do, be doing technology wise to make it a smart border that is more effect an more cost effici so this is not a democratic positi this is a pretty broad position that this does not make seese. whatught to do is open up the government firstha

and that's we're going to do. we passed legislation last thursd thawould open up the govern i would hope that senator mcconn would take the respon as the leader of the co-equal branch of vern and send this to the presid that would open up would star serving the america people >> you regret not taking the deal that vice president pence offere $2.35 billion and maybe you co said here's more money for border securi? you guys call it border security and all this and you would have reopen the government? ta>> we were ready to the deal that vice president offere and senator mcconnellook that offer. he passed a bill -- >> he didn't pass that one.rs s pass that bil they rejected the senate bills, the republican bills. and when you say have we compro have voted for and are prepared to vote for republbills. these are all the republican bills from t last congress.

and as a matter of fact, chuck, as you know, we're going to make every effort to open up govern next week.in we're to offer two bills to open up the financial servic whi will ma sure that taxpayers get refunds. we're going to open up ag toe make shat people get food stamps we're going to open up hudak in order to sure that housing vouche and interior so people can use their parks. wn is eno? i want to play a clip from a guy named steny hoyerou to from 2011. take a listen. >> okay. >> there does come a time when the american public expect us to beble to act. gridlo is not what they voted for. the priorities that we have agreed to in this resolution are not my priorities but we have reached agreement. >> basically you haveaid you suppor things. you have had to vote things you didn't support blore. it w happen again. >> chuck, let me reiterate what we voted for last thursday were

republ bills. all bills. no democratic bill. and we took them as they were passed to the senate. we're going to do the same thing th d week. thference is we'll do it bill by bill so we can help taxpay and people who need food assistance and people who need hsing vouchers, people who need flood insurance. we'll do it one by one. i would hope that mitch mcconn the leader of the united senate would repres the congress of the unitedstates, the co-equal branch that says believe we ought to open up g mitch mcconnell believes oe shoun government. >> you need a presidentia signat at the end of the day. u ne presidentia signat for the government. you may not like any of the ways that president hased condu himsel how he's conducted these negotiations can yo claim they've n been in good faith. what is it though -- >> that's pretty close tohe charac fair enough. when is it your responsibility to say these federal workers have t paid and i may have

to eat this? >> we don't think the swalwal i good technology to do this. the reason i read the republican views that say the wall is not the technology we ought to pursue is because this is a differ substance we ought to have that argument on the substance. and not be held hostage, 800,000 federa employees, millions of people who need food stamps. >> i in rs tha that. >> he is being held hostage. >> don't theseeople need t get paid? >> we're for strengthening border security. as a mfact, of the positi things that happened in was senator durbin brought up the fact that there was insuff dollars in the homela security bill to have the technology to have the electr ability to see what is in all these trucks that come across our border every day. we're prepared to negotiate on that. >> y are willing did give them

anythi on a fence? >> chuck -- >> steelfence? he doesn't call it a wall. can you accept that? >>chuck, let me say, we've done fencin in the past. so you'll future >> we've done fencing in the past. howeve what is happening tday and hopefully the administration will come, the administration has notup come with any specif plan as to how they're going to spend this ney. now, remember, i understand it was the last congress. the president said mitch mcconnell, i'll sign this bill. bill. signed he sent it to the house. we wer prepared to vote for that bill but the republicans wanted shut down the govern we need to open up government and then neotiate. not other way around. we're prepared to negotiate. we're prheared to have homela security bill approved o for short term that we have to negotiate. >> is an impeachment processin it >> i don't think so. and that's not what we'ren. focuse we're focused on bills. we hav to focus on getting the

governopen. that's our primary first respon >> are impeachment talks a distra >> i think they're a distra we'll have to see what the r muelort says. nancy and i both said that. we voted that way on the floor of the house of representatives. what we want to do isur concen on substantive agenda we want to make sure that we get reformone and redistrictin and campaign finance reform, on voting rights. we want to make sure we get ethica reforms. we want to make sure we focus on wages and health care. alof those issues that we campai on. >> steny hoyer, i have to leave it there. the hous mority leader, new house majority leader -- new again, congratulations. >> i'mop ul, as i said, that mitch mcconnell as we pass these bills will send them to the presid and we will continue to negotiate on making sure that our boreders ar secure. >> we'll find out this week, i hope. when we come back with the shutdo impacting more people every day, will one side give in and say enoughalready? or are we really in for a

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>> they make it seem so good. i woul love to shut down ldmasachs. no, listening to the conver the thing that strike is we're t country that won world war ii. we defeated thee japannd fascis and launched this compli thing and now we shut down ourse government bec we can't decide if it's a concre wall or a steel fence or a row of rns. it's like a sign of government dysfun seems to me the answer is justr sittin of everyone which is the wall for the daca not and the reason that has gotten done is because both sides have loaded up a bunch of stuff on tlet sieal and made it impossible for the other side to accept. so someet basic coce in negoti would just get us out of this. it seems to me cap would compromise if the not in >> it' how many times doe a big what would have t a bipartisan thing under deadline? w simply doesn that way. and in this case, the political incent are just all screwed up. mean, in previous shutdos,

usuall somebody has been trying to for shutdown because they want tpoint. that is not the case here. of congress doesn't want a shutdo simply not clear how tetey anywhe without somebody simply caving in. the president has essentially backedimself into a corner. this is -- i covered nowthore shutdown ray care t think about. and i do not see a way out of this one. wherea the hers, you could see how the political pressure was going to build on one side. i was inevitae they would eventu cave n that doesn't seem to be the case here. as i middle that's not the case here. tfact democr have public opinion behind them. public wants the government open and they don't like the idea of a wall. >> but the president has hispu party and his suppor strongly behind him. the realn quests when does

the pain threshold become too much? >> too much ford either that's why it is interesting that you see some republicans in the house, som republicans two or three in the senate voice, maybe it is time to reopen part the government until we negoti. democr are the party and party ployees. this thing stretches on for months then maybe their own base starts saying, you know what? 's j$5 billion. we need to be paid. what is it repres the district right ere, plenty of governme worker what do you think the pain thresh is going to be for member of congress that used toh >> i think the pain threshold is going to hit this week. this is the week where paychecks should be going out. it's the week where you begin to see more than just trash piling up at the national parks. where really are in pain. antkeep in mind t of those

800,00 federal workers and the additi contractors, probably 80% ofhem live some place other than the washington trop member country in distri and senators inheir states are going to begin to hear from the subcontractors and federa employees this really is causin them n.pa they'r not able to make the mortga payments, daycare paymen all of those things in additi to the things that mr. hoyer mentioned. and so i think this is the to me, this is the crucial week when those stories start to come t and is not sustainable, partic with some of these to who are going to be up in 2020 and are vhanerable. >>are your -- if you were there now, would you want the leader to be willing to be a little more agreeable on this or not? >> here's what the aetross the stffered. for the first time ever tha ima passed a republican bill. they didn't have to do that. they did it to say here we're

going open. ihink this week a strategy of beginn to pass these indivi bills that have passed the senate and open up parts of the government that provid services is one lrect then itves open the opport to just negotiate around the department of homela security. >> this is all about senate republ >> i think it is allbout sena republicans. and mitch mcconnell is in a very strang spot. you heard m say repeatedly this week i'm not putting someth on the floor the presid won't sign. tch is interpreted as mcconn along with this presid on the border wall. i read something different into it which is to say that he was assure by a third party, mike pence at lunch one daat the presid was going to sign the thing he was going to put on the floor. and then all of a sudden that turned out not to be true. mitch mcconnell said you don't kick of the mule. he said i'm confident we won't have a shutdown. here we ar w embarrassed. so there is really no -- there is no advantage for him in doing that again. on the other hand, mitch

mcconn shutdowns are badpolitics. he said it a million and one times. he knows it's bad for the vulner republicans in 2020. that ijunderlying thing f thert gives, it's prebably t >> i think there might be pressu senate republ but presidentrump is still fixate that base. he to have the shutdown cont to such a point that he can turn to his base and say i gave it my all. we're not there yet.t and he needs tase because the base is the difference betwee a 42% approval rating and a 35% approval rating. impe. he needs those people in case there is an impeachment. >> the president -- who is more fixate o impeachment the new house democrats o the president of the united states? take a listen to him on friday on this topic. >> we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment? and nancy otsaid, we're lookin impeach you.

i said that's good, nancy. that's good. you no het? w you don't impeach people when they'r doing a good job. >> david, herings it up almost as much as some of the new member of congress do. >> i love him for w a guy is sort of not totally honest, he is tolly unhidden. he reveals everything. he is tran transp mueller investigation is someth he tweets about all the time. are a bunch of what he's going to do and why i's going to get so ugly is assume something i happen there are a bunch of invest there some sort of indict not to defend himself the weyrich a% weyrich a% weyri richar nin defended himself. donald is going to try to hiel instit donna, is impeachment hearin inevitable? >> i d it's inevit akmocr are prepared to go where the evidence them and the question is nancy pelosi holdin thaat bay so that the eviden is there.

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twelcome back "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> youpl heard p in the room. did you hear any hope? >> i'm always hopeful. i have neverhought that shutdowns are an appropriate means of trying to achieve any kind of solution. this isn't a matter of one side or the o caving in. it's a matter of getting to a compromise. and that's a sign of strength. and it's important that we remember that real lives are being affected here. the 800,000 federal employees,d dedica public servants who won't get a paycheck next friday if this isn't resolved very soon. >> is steel for concrete a reasonable compromise offer from th white house? >> well, i have always thought that the debate over what the

physical barrier should be nstructed of was rather bizarre. we do need to strength o border security. we know that 90% of the heroin is coming across the southern border along with human traffickers and a lot of unaccompanied children. that's not good either. bu we need to look at more than just the physical barrier. we need to look at more border patrol agents, technology and othemeans as well. >> let me ask you this. the senate ed adjourned 11:00 a on friday. yoare not alone. whu don't reconvene until tuesday. e is the urgency? >> well, chuck, just as i can talko you from maine, i also have been talking to my i had -- s. >> i don't mean about you. i'm talking about in general. where is the urgency in washington, in congress? it seems sort of blase.

>> well, i certainly feel a sense of urgency to g people back to work and government reopened. i think many of my colleagues do. i think that we need to make this our first priority. >> do you think mitch mcconnell has done enough? he has made the decision, he has said, this is bween t democrats and the president. he has said he is not going to bring up any bills he doesn't think the president will hgn. do feel burned by the white house? do you think he should be more aggressive here and put some of the bills back on the floor? >> well, i can't speak for senator mcconnell. but i would like to see himou bring the passed bills to the senate floor. we could reopen much of government where there's no o disputer issues involving certain departments like ag, transportation, housing,

interior. let's get those reopened while the negotiations tcontinue. o be fair to senator mcconnell, the factt is t unless chuck schumer and speaker pelosi aee and the president agrees to sign a bill, we can pass bills but they won't become law. that's why i understand the point that senator mcconnell is making about these important negotiations that are, in fact, ongoing. >> there are yourself, senat gardner, senator tillis hav spoken out. let's reopen the government and continue the debate.u e the only three that have gone public on the republican side of the aisle.ow privately, anxious are some of your colleagues? >> well, there have bee others. lamar alexander did an excellent column in which he oueined thossible compromises to get government open. one youald about and we advanced last year when there

was a s brieftdown which was that we would have borderd security fun at $2.5 billion and we would give a path to citizenship for those dreamers, thoseery youngdults who are brought to this country through no decision of their own by their parents. that's a possimpromise on this issue. i wou note that 46 out of the 49 democrats in the senate voted for that compromise just last march. >> let me ask this. we're now in our third shutdown since president trump took office. it seems like there's chaos when policy decions get made. think syria as the most recent example. when is enough enough for you? you haveed expredispleasure in the past. is it accumulating for you to theoint where you a running out of patience? >> government shutdowns are never good policy. and we have had them inhe

obama administration. we have had them in preaddent trump'nistration. we should always get the appropriations billsigned into law before the start of the fiscal year so that neither side can use the threat of a shutdown or the reality of a shutdown as a political weapon. >> okay. owguess -- what is your level of satisfaction withhe president is conducting himself in office? that's where i'm getting. are you losing patience with his conduct? >> well, i'mte frust in this situation that we have gotten to this point where both sides appear to be intransigent. it's not a sign of weakness to try to figure out a middle ound. i think that bothides need to indicate a willingness to listen and to compromise. >> you have said you intend to

seek re-election in 2020. that is not a firm announcement. what is going into your decision? is it more professional and olitical or is it more personal? >> well, it's a combination of factors. i'm very proud of the service that i've given to the people of maine, and i'm getting ready to run. frankly, i just think it's too early to make that kind of decision. but i am getting prepared, and i'll make a final decision towards the end o this year you know, it used to be that we used the off year to actually legislate and left the politics to the election year. that's what i would prefer to do. >> senator collins, that's the last century. i hear you. i miss the odd years on policy and even on politics. >> exactly. >> happen y new year. >> tnk you, chuck.

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find women withexmbition g. there is something i don't like. donna edwards, you've been on a ballot >> feel it. having been an unlikeable aggreswoman. at's how i was described. i really feel that. i do think that if additional women get intoldhe f that that changes that conversatio a little bit. but elizabeth warren put herself out there and those are the kind of arrows she isg. gett it fair? no. i don't think it's fair the aall. we have to chan that conver women want that conversao tore changed. better whenng to be more women get in this race? becaus on one hand, kae, we someti organize presidentia fields by iologicallanes, geogra lanes. if it's an identity politics lane, then this becomes what? >> people are already splitting it up that way. i go back to this. the article, humor column said quite on point, iin thought sayingwell, you know, i never waally didn't like hillary

clinto ready for a woman presid just not her. elizab warren, i woulde ready fwfo4=u her, but there i someth about her i don't like.know, there is something about camilla harris i'm not liking and i couldn't tell you why. i think gets at t root of this. is it possible for a woman candid to ever get batyond and there is also a "new york times" story actually that walks throug this idea tha there are some democrats who are even worrie about nominating a woman to run against president trump which up a whole other set party.iers within the so very, very real. you know, jennifer palmieri didn't always think the did until she went to work for hillar looked around and watched how she was covere and said okay this is real >> you know,david, it's intere the initial hit on elizabeth warren politically, if you were going ask the question, can d massachusetts libe and win the y,presidehey tried twice in the last -- for over a generation and lost. but that isn't the comparison. there is a point here, isn't there? >> there is a point.

i think as more women get in, if we get five or six women in the race, as the race gets started, it will look different. this is probably not ging to be a politics primary campaign. the range of opinions about americ capitalism has widened on the democratic party and the republ party. radica differevis of the role o th that's whatelizabeth warren is runnin on. blere pretty big issues the once the campaign gets going, >>'ll be done with the preseason chatte s she is launching, matthew, "the new york time comes out with a pretty rough a look back. put up this headline, "new york times" sexism caims from bernie sander run. was asked about thi. let me play for you his response to it. >> i certainly apologized to any woman that felt she was not treate appropriately. and, of course if, do next time. >> and just be clear, you seem

icate that you did not know at the time about the allega is tt correct? >> yes. i was little b busy running around the country trying to make the case. >> boy, that didn't seem like a gower did it? >> he took some heat for that. and, of course, bernie s and elizabeth warren will will likely be competing over that same set of voters on the progre side of the democr party. i look at warren,, she's attraing high level campai she certainly has the most dlicy chops and demind message fined message of the candid but she has this burden of having high name idnd low personal favorabil donna, she's weeken she was asked about the nfous dna test. very interesting the way she terespon a v a voter asked this, not a report take a listen. >> yeah, well, you know, i'm glad you asked that question. i genuinely am glad to have ata

chance t about it. i am not a person of color. i am not a citizen of a tribe. tribal citizenship is very differ from ancestry. >> how did she hand this will? >> mean, i think she is -- she unders that she's going to ask. she understan she has to refram it a little bit differ and i actually think that that right there was the closest that she has come to acknowledging that she misstepped in the past. and i think this is going to be, yoknow, a story that is not going to be there for the long term. she does have those policy chops that people are loofor. but also, i don't think the era of identity politicsov is becaus a lot of women, for people of color who are the base of the docratic party, our identi is our politics. >> think that is absolutely right. >> that comment remind me, it's hard to catch lightning a bottle twice. hink was four years ago. there a lot of momentum shechl was the new face. bernie sanders was the new face.

now there arew lot of faces. is a moment where you feel generationa turns, feel demographic turns, you feel a lot of people looking to the future think it will b hard for warren and sanderck to come >> that's the problem, she's no. >> yeah. out of 1 options in a t pollit was someone new. and despite all these choices they have, so who that person is, we have yet to see. i do th argume for ae oman candid as well. if you look at the house and that excitement we esw this no on about that. the question is, w two both be women? that will be an intng develo that's all we have for today. thank watching. bwe're glad to k in 2019. we'll be back here next week as well because if it's sunday, it's "

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