truce. a short-term funding deal to end the government shutdown. in a short while i will sign a bill to openur government for three weeks. >> democrats get what they demanded, talks without a wall. >> have i not been clear on a wall? okay. no, i have been very clear on the wall. >> no one should ever underestimate the speaker as donald trump has learne >> mr. trump hints he may clare a national emergency to get what he wants. >> i will use the powersaf rded to me under the laws and the constitution of the united stateso address this emergency. >> but after 35 days what did present trump gain? plus, our brand-new nbc news

"wall street jouhaal" poll, wt affect did the shutdown have oi present trump's approval ratings, and how do americans feel about where the country is headed right now? my guests this mortgage, kevin mccarthy, akeem jeffries and republican senator marco rubio. also the russia investigation as seven-count indictment of long time trump ally roger stone. details of the most direct connection yetruetween the t campaign and wikileaks. >> i will lead not guilty to these i arges. lieve this is a politically-motivated investigation. >> joining me for insight a analysis are nbc news senior correspondent tom brokaw,ch ya alcindor white house correspondent for the pbs news hour, hugh hewitt, and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. well to su press."s "meet the >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this

is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. president trump n the real leader of the democratic party is right now and he can'tcy say nanelosi didn't warn him. remember this -- >> mr. president, plee don't characterize the strength that i bring to this meeting as the leader of the house democrats. >> that was before she was officially speaker. this week the president learned all about that strength. first, when he backed down on giving the state of the union address thind tuesday, then again on friday, when mr. trump gave speaker pelosiad what she demanded, a reopen government, talks, and no wall. l st for three weeks. that concession by president trump ce hours after robert mueller drew a clear line between the trump campaign and wikileaks when he indicted mr. trump's long time associate roger stone on seven counts. w in short a very bad week for the president. we have a brand-new nbc news "wall street journal" poll mpleted before friday events that indicates despite the drawn

out shutdown the president's base, sthough, hasck with him. mr. trump's approval rating stands at 43% with54% disapproving. it's exactly where it was a month ago before the shutdown. obviously we know that other polls have shown a notablerop in that time. but our poll also found a notable drop in anoer category, the right direction wrong track numbers, they are the worst of mr. trump's aesidency with just barely quarter of the country, 28%, saying that we are headed in the right direction. and that's reflected in this word cloud of how people eel about the state of america right now with words like wrong track, disappointed and disaster dominating the responses. again, all of ts was before friday's stone news and the end of the shutdown that was widely seen now as pointless. so after 35 days of frustration and anger over thatt shutdown, id the president get that he could not have gotten on day one? >> i am very proud to announce today that we ve reached a deal to end the shutdown.

>> psident trump spent 34 days inn cysting theld government wou stay closed until congress approved billions of dollars for a border wall. >> $5 billion for a physicalrr r. >> $5.7 billion. >> he's not negotiating with smself, he hasd $5.7 billion. >> on day 35 with hisumbers sagging in some polls, air traffic control stalling and some congressional republicans in, revolt he backed down, at least for now. >> president trump in retreat. e> unmistakably a surrender. >> the president g in. >> no one should ever underestimate the speaker as donald trump has learned. >> and some conservative allies are calling the president a wi. writing, trump blinks. >> he promised something for 18 months and he lied about it. >> it's clear trump did not come out on top, t i'm not goi spin it for you. >> the president fired back. this was in no way a concession, if no deal is done it's off to the races. that last reference, his threat to declare a national emergency if negotiators don't get a deal

in three weeks. >> obviously we're going to do the emergency because that's what it is. it's a national emergenc >> and on friday mr. p'trums long time confidant roger sto was indicted and arrested. charged with seven counts of lying t congress, witness tampering and obstruction. >> iill plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. >> stone's indicent reveals the most direct link yet between the trump a campaign wikileaks, which distributed democratic e-mails that russian military intelligence stole from the dnc and the clinton campaign. the indictment includes this notable sentence "after wikileaks released stolen dnc e-mails on july 22nd, a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information organizati one,wikileaks, had on the clinton campaign." >> how many people could direct a senior campaign official.

>> stone then communicated with wikileaks through an intermediary. five days later -- >> russia, if you're listening. >> -- that same day, july 27th, russian hackers tried for the rst time to hack into servers in clinton's personal campaign office. on october 4th stone told steve bannon then the chief executive of mr. trump's campaign, that wikileaks had aio s security concern, but would release a load every week going forward. three days later, wikilea began selectively releasing clinton campaign chair john podest>>s e-mails. he allegation that two campaign officials instructed m or inquired of me about wikileaks is false. >> and joining me now is the house republican leader, congressman kevin mccarthy of california. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me back. >> all on day one of the shutdown the president had a deal in front of ally a t was essen continuing resolution for three

weeks, no wall. that's the deal he agreed to on day 35. what was accomplished? >> ywell, nob likes to go into a shutdown but the one thing i would see, especially if looking at winners and losers i don't know why someone would celebrate a status quo. i watched the president in e mry one of thetings offer a reasonable solution. i watched then leader pelosi spend a new historical time on the floor of the house, eight hours, talking about we don't have the daca solution involved when we could have. we stillave a problem at th border, we don't have that solved. now we have three more weeks to go. i wat speaker pelosi sit there and would not negotiate with anything. g ie president trump a lot of credit. he put the american people before politics. >> after 35 days. >> no, he did- >> for 35 days, though, what did he get? >> well, i'm n celebrating getting something because what people are celebrating saying speaker pelosi is strong because she got status quo.'s th.h.o. the country wants. the country wants to find common ground. thead president four

different offers, it was speaker losi who said i wouldn't talk about anything. 35 days, 35 days of speaker pelosi not negotiating and the president finally said this is too much. if you say you will do something else i will open it up so the federal workers will be paid and let's see where you will go in three weeks. >> that was her stance, she will negotiate after you open up the >> no, her stance was not one dollar for a wall, we are not going to do anything, that it's immoral and i don't believe that's where her members are as well. chair listen to her own of agriculture said give trump the money. her chairman ofer armedces says walls work. even her number two says walls are not immora she is out o step with her own base. >> in three weeks the president is unlikely -- i mean, do you really believe you are going to get a grand comomise that somehow democrats will trade something temporary for something permanen a permanent structure for temporary relief for some of these folks? elieve that will happen in three weeks? >> well, if democrats have always in the past voted for

some barriernd now they are not going to because it's being offered by president trump, that means we would still have a crisis at our border. if in three weeks they said before if you open it uphen we'll negotiate, they won't, they are the ones causing the problem. th have changed the course of what they voted for in the past. a aker pelosi had voted for wall and barrier. schumer voted for a wall and barrier but now they will not trbecause it's presidentp. >> the infamous gang of eight that you guys never brought to a vote did have exa if ensi in it, i believe it was 350 miles of extra fencing, had $46 billion in border security. what's wrong with gang of eight beinghe beginning ofhe negotiations? >> last year i spent more than a month, every single day in my office with durbin, with stiny, with the chief of staff of the white house and we tried t together on an immigration bill. it was one of the hardest things ever to do, but when i see a crisis on the border, 500,000

people illegally enter our- country when we are the most liberal bringing in a million people every year the waye should do it, i think this is an opportunity to not only solve a border crisis, but we've got kids here dealing with daca, they're bot bigissues, solve them right now. >> look, the only way to make it happen is if a both sid willing to buck their base. >> yeah. >> is the president actually willing t h buck base? he's never given an indication he is. he's threatening a national emergency. >> that is not true. the president is the only one who has been reasonable in these negotiations. chuck, i've been in every single meeting so i watched it.s the president the one who offered -- this president is the one who at the state of union went further on immigration than i have heard from a president clinton or even president obama. so, no, that is. unfa it was only the democrats who would interject when the secretary of homeland tried to talk about the current crisis. they didn't want to hear it. they didn't want to negotiate. they said nothing. sident thatp offered four different plans.

yeah, that moved further than i think this party has even looked. fromwant to play something you. >> please. >> in november of 2016. >> ive always hen i get -- >> i know you do. i think it's going to beg the question of wt the heck took you guys so long. take a listen. and i put together the team actually with the speaker and others our staff, working on legislation now so when we're sworn in u not waitiil when the president is sworn in, but at the very first week of january how we are able to move the legislation needed to start building the wall. >> at the enday of the why should democrats bail out your party that had two years figure out a way forward here? you said you were going to have legislation ready to go in 2017. what happened? >> we did. oo you at the appropriations, we are building the wall right now. it.rtion of we have to go further. >> then why did he shut down the government? >> he did not shut down the government. hot's be very clear, we were in the e, in the majority, we

moved a bill to the senate. you know as well as everybody else in america it takes 60 votes. schumer i the one who said no. so you put it on -- >> it is daca for the wall is what the president backed away from. >> no, we passed this at the end of the last year. money for the wall, more money because we're already building it. we put another $5 billion in there, the senate had a different version and schumer said no so it got shut down. then what happened? the president stayed in washington, the speaker then went to hawaii, the president stayed there to negotiate. we brought meetings down, this ouhe said theyn't talk about anything. we got into a shutdown that lasted longer than ever before. the president made four differ reasonable. t were >> not until after he shut down the government. >> he didn't shut it down. >> he's the one that said he would be proud to own it. who else did it? he rejected the senate bill to keep the government open. >> no, the house had a bill, the is that hit a bill. like every other piece of legiation it takes60 votes in the senate. republicans don't have 60 in the senate. i thinkt would only b fair,

chuck, to understand if it takes 60 votes in the senate the 's probably blame on both sides. >> let's talk about this, in three weeks. >> yes. >> when i thinkou guys pass something that keeps the government open, i'm guessing you guys don't have -- you don't want to go through another do government sh. a bunch of senators want to basically make it impossible to shut down the government, create -- senator warner has a bill but all o them are basically never to cancel a paycheck again for a nonpolitical appointee. will you support something like that? >> yeah, but i will go further. do you want to know how you will never had a shutdown again, let's not pay the members of senate and congress. >> that's thene mark w bill. and all political staff. >> that's the amendment i would offer. because this only harms others. but think about this,he esident offered four different reasonable texts, thepeaker pelosi, then leader has a record for the longest speech on the floor, more thanight hours. one year ago next month about daca. he took two issueshaare a problem and he wanted to solve

it. today you're trying to celebrate and say speaker pelosi is se type of winner in this. no, that means status quo. that goes agaest everything know and want for america. we want to find common grounds. and soluti >> very quickly, you have not appointed all members of the house intelligence committee on theepublican side. >> i will next week. >> some people think you're trying -- it's helping to delay the transcripts that could get sent to mueller. no, nothing of the sort. the reason why committees weren't already imported, the democrats were notze orga they waited until after the speaker race, which republicans would never do, to give us the ratios. i have just now met -- >> intel is always the same ratio, in fairness. >> no, we had negotiations with the speaker tanging. i j met with every single individual that i'm going to appoint on friday, so it will come out next week. >> all right. kevin mcaccarthy, republi from california, good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. democrats have generally been careful not to taunt apresident trump too mucer the shutdown ended but they are

making sure the public knows that they got what they wanted. >> we asked the president t open up government so we would have time to have a debate on the best way to protect our border. democrats are committed to border security and we think we have some better ideas about how to do so that protect our border, honor our values and are cost effective. joining meow is congressman akeem jeffries of new york. "meetssman, welcome t the press." >> good morning. good to be here. >> okay. government is open, president trump caved, democrats won this fight, you heard kevin mccaryy don't know what you won, you won status quo. in three weeks how are we not in same spot? >> it's important to understand that the legislative stewards of managing public money, we can manage that money efciently or waste taxpayer dollars. we concluded spending billions on a medieval border wall that uld be ineffective would be a waste of taxpayer dollars,

that's a fifthio century sol to a 21st century problem. what we want to support over the next few weeks is 21st century border security. so we're willing to invest in additional infrastructure, particularly as it elates to our legal ports of entry which as you know, chuck, is the place where the majority of drugs come in. we're willing to invest in personnel, a in additiona technology. >> do you think a fence is medieval? >> well, i think from the standpoint of building a m ncrete bare remember f sea -- >> he took that off the table. is that progress? >> that's progress and hopefully will stick to that position that he has taken. in the past we have supported, as you know, enhanced fencing and i think that's something that's reasonable that should be on the table, but i don't want to get out ahead of the process because there's a process that has been put in place, we've appointed distinguished members of the appropriations committee and there's three typ of members of congress, democrats, republicans and appropriators. i think the appropriators can get this done. >> it's harning back to where

we thought a bill would become a law. let me ask you this, i that compromise is something that doesn't have a majority of good chunkut has a of them in the house, it can get through the senateha ands what happens, can you imagine democrats in the house allowing a bill on the floor that aty majof democrats didn't support, but could get some -- but cou t getough the senate and to the president's signature. >> well, the only thing i can imagine is making sure there is a bill that comes to the floor that's evidence-based terms of securing our borders. i think that has been our yperspective from the v beginning, along with the principle that shutdowns are not legitimate negotiating tactics when there is a public policy disagreement between two branches of government. >> you just heard kevin mccaruty come and essentially endorse a bill that would eliminate the ability to do shutdown, he basically said you want to do it make sure the legislative branch doesn't get paid, i think that's the mark westerner bill.

is that bipartisan compromise? is this something we could see happen at least the never have a shutdown act? >> kevin mccarty is a good man but that seems to me to be a gimmick. we never hold hostage hard working -- >> do you wantla to leg that, to make it so it can't be done am i more. >> i think we should take a long look to make sur we don't pursue shutdowns to extract leverage, whether that's ar democraticepublican president. >> let me go back on what i was trying to get at. the republicans infamously had something called thete h rule that referred to the former speaker of the house that if a majorityf the majority party didn't support a bill they would never put it on the floor. do thedemocrats,he new democratic majority, have that same -- is there going to be version of an unofficial rule like that. >> we hav't taken that position. we do want to work in a bipartisan waynd want to do it on behalf of our for the people agenda. we've said we are going to fight hard for lower healthcare cost,

increaseday for eve day americans, strengthen the affordable care act, protect people with preexisting , conditionact a real infrastructure plan. we want to do that in a bipartisan way, trillasn dollar inucture plan, we think it will create 16 million good paying jobs, republicans, democrats, even t president has supported the notion that we've got to fix our broken fr tructure. >> you didn't quite answer the question. you haven't decided whether that will be a rule or not? >> we have not had that discussion in caucus but we have niscussed proceeding in a strongly bipartiay on issues of importance to the american people. >> i want to see iyou will respond to something speaker pelosi said in response to the roger stone indictment. let me put it up on screen. she said in the face of 37 indictments the preddent continctions to undermine the special counsel investigation, raise the questions what does putin have on the president politically, personally or financially. she asked that question somewhat rhetorically. there'sraome dem that are anxious to begin an impeachment inquiry today. at what point do you think it's appropriate? it's not appropriate right now. we do have a constitutional

responsibility to skve as a chnd balance on an out of control executive branch. r, take that responsibility seriously, howee are not going to overinvestigate, we're not going to overpoliticize, we're not going to overreach as it relates to that sledge constitutional responsibility. what we are going to do is make sure we focus onshe iss of importance to the american people. that's why ejah cummings is having a hearing this week on how we canow the prescription costs. that's where ritchie niels is a havi hearing on protesting people with preexisting conditions. >> cgressman cummings is also astarting oversight investigation on security clearances that seem to have at leas some connection to th mueller probe. >> we are going to take that responsibility seriously. i think the american p to see checks and balances. we are a separate and co-equal branch of government. we don't work for donald trump, with he work the american people. >> let me ask you this, i'm going to put up a tweet of yours, you've before referring to the president not as the president in your tweets, you one. to him as individua let me put up one here, for instance, from last week.

for decades individual one made a living stiffing his workers and contractors and now he's doing it to 800,000 federal employees and contractors. we must end rkless trump shutdown and continue our fight for the people. you refer to him as individual one. you called him the grand wizard. it seems you are a mber of leadership, what's that line in your mind, whyhould the president negotiate with you if you're going to name call him? i know he name calls, why should he negotiate with you? re it's colorful language and i think that thedent is going to have to own his pattern of behavior that has taken place not year after year, bute dec after decade. i do believe that we do need to find a way together to move forward, democrats and republicans, and, in fact, wchuck, as you k i was able to work with the administration on criminal justice reform, democrats,republicans, progressives, conservatives, the left and the right. if we can do it on criminal m i think we can find a way to move forward. >> do you regretour language? >> i don't regret the use of the

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tom brokaw. >> i didn't want to be the kind of special -- isn't that special? i am -- >> i prefer -- >> i'm unqualified in terms of being senior. >> ir preferd puba as the official title for you. anyway, let me put up headlines some conservative news organizations, trump lost the shutdown, trump caves,. trump blin in usa today, this is the weakest moment of president trump's tenure in office. nan nancy pelosi looks like the commander in chief of donald trump. hugh, you have been the base, i'm sure. how bad is this for the president? >> not that bad. this is very premature. tom and i will remember that joe frazier won his first fight with ali and lost the next two. we wi rememberhat they went

41 out of the scheduled 42 rounds. this is the first rnd of a 42-round fight. i point out that the president's approvalno rating ishier than ronald reagan's was at this time in the presidency. i looked at your word cloud. it says, sad, no compromise. guests isrd from your there the potential to go big and solve not just daca but er hing. >> kristen, you are at the white house. is he -- >> he got so defensive saturday morng. no, no, , no, it's not a cave. >> right. theite house is defiant, this was not a cave. the reality is,no he his base is not going to be happy unless he gets funding for the . wa if you talk to allies they say, we don't see how this ends in any otheray other than a national emergency, because he can't shut down the governmenta here is the lesson i think for president trump. he went into this fight without

any strategy, without anyplan. every day the president, the white house, they were looking for an off ram instead of trying to execute something they planned out very carefully. i think they are right mnow trying to figure out how to do it better. >> you will recall, everybody that knew trump for ame long said he actually enjoys not having a plan. he goes intot b and plan b is damned. tom, a month ago we were asking the question, who is the leader of the democratic party. i want p put some quotes from people that weren't always so supportive of nancy pelosi becoming speaker again. aoc, speaker pelosi doesn't mess around. tim ryan, who challenged she's definitely up to the task. and grateful for our champion in washington, speaker pelosi. i think democrats have aleader. >> the fact is that going into this last election -- ihe have knowa long time. she's a very smart woman. i wondered whether she was the

best image for the democratic party. a lot of people said, she knows how to run things on the hill. she donstrated that this past week. donald trump treated federal employees like poker chips. this time, his father wasn't around to bail him out. t i thinkt hurt him more, by the way, than people realize. that w a whole crowd of people out there who were probably voted for him, suddenly, what they do is get their job jerked oufrom under them. a spoke to a senator who said it creeped into agriculture, because this time of the year the farmers are dealgog with rnment agencies to plan for next year's crop. there was no o home t do that. the damage was really moresy emic than people realize. >> the one piece of agreement i'me gtting from everybody this morning is, i think they're going to eliminate the shutdown. the legislative -- >> the go >>ge this is the l shutdown in history, 35 days.

people were i thk at a fever pitch. airports were starting to show signof stressas the beginning of what we would have seen. i was talking to a federal worker thiswh weekend said, monday, people might not have showed up to work. thousands more people would have been, i cannot d this ymore. think about the fact we talk about the president not having a whan. let's think abou he did for 35 days. he had a prime time special. he went down to ore r. he then was possibly dieminating misleading information about the fact that there were drugs pouring in our country was being invaded. after all of that, the president -- the polls show the president was the one being blamed. he was on video because of chuck schumer saing, i will own the shutdown. >> is that the lesson for the esident? bully pulpit is starting to no longer be useful? >> i think that's the question. right? part of the strategy -- you heard lead mccarthy speak to this. they will try to pick off democrats.

white house candidate name any. he named a few. there's a lot of skepticism about that strategy actually working. look, he didn't deliver that prime time address until halfway into thesh down. a lot of his allies say, if he had started off in the weeks before really selling this, trying to make his case, that would have helped. the question is going to be abou semantics with this potential compromise they are looking for. can they find a p word orase that allows him to declare victory on the wall and democrats as well >> this isn't a one story town. in the middle of this three weeks, roger stone happens friday. let me put up -- the people in and around the trump campaign that hav pleaded guilty or been indicted, it's a who is who people around this president. manafort, gates, stocohen, flynn, papadopoulos. that doesn't help your bully lpit abilities either. >> no. especially given list image whenever he goes on television. he has been dealin in the kind

of fringe of the republican party and making himself out more than he is. i watched him the other day. i thought the perfect person to play him is marty short in so o ki a stage play. >> they have steve martin to do it on snl last night. ofs partner in crime there. roger stone is on these people that y are -- sometime u.s. think, dsometimes you think, did he insert himself? he knows stuff about trump nobody else does. t the supreme co takes judicial notice of what's happening.ai the trump ca was taking judicial notice of what stone was saying. that indictment does not support but does not preclude collusi. >> the campaign official -- rick gates smells like one of them. he may be cooperating. >> lutely. it chips away at the white house and president's argument this

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president trump is staking his reputation with his base on immigration. he is hinting he could declare a national emergency if there's no deal for wall funding in three weeks. if thisek taught us anything, it's that the art of the deal presidentay need to adjust his

expectations. the last time ngress was close an immigration deal was 2013. the gang of eight tried and failed to get it done. two republicans who were in that gang still remain in the senate. lindsey graham, who said it would be the end of the trump presidency if he doesn't a get wall built, and my next guest senator marco rubio of florida. welcome ck to "meet the press press." we went through 35 days. the president signed a deal that was the same deal available to him on day one, other than t end date of february 8 to february 15 what did this shutdown accomplish? >> well,opefully it teaches everyone that shutdowns are not good leverage in any negotiation. i think it's important to separate tactics from the policy aims. there's missed opportunities ins we could have had an extension of tps, a huge issue for people here florida, the haitian community. we could have had a three-week extension for -- three-year

extension. daca, three years of it's better than right now, they are waiting for a court ruling and what the administration is going to do. hopefully, over the next three weeks, some of the elements can become part of what w do. most important of all, i truly believe that if the president n get strong border security that satisfies his -- what he want, it unlocks the opportunity to do other things on immigration that w need, like figure out something reasonable with the people that not crimi criminals. we have to unlock that. it begins with border security. that's one reason why it's soan impothat we figure out a way to get something done that he is satisfied with so we can move on t the other issues that he has personally expressed a willingness to be involved in. >> the gang of eight said you ne lead with border security. i want to put up here, the 2013 bill had this. it doubled the number of patrol agents, 350 miles of new

fencing, universal e-verify ystem, new tracking system and the deal was, the border security mesh wouasures would g immediately, the adjustment to immigration status for varis groups would be phased in. didn't you guys hathe model? is this deal worth taking off the shelf and making some minor adjustments? >> i think there's elements of it that we can --the problem was, it was done in one big utece of legislation. the more stuff youn a bill, the more reasons someone can find to be against it. >> some argue the oer way, senator. make the bill bigger and, yes, okay, there will be things you don't like, but that's the only waet some thing u.s you like. >> that's the theory pitched to me as to why we need one comprehensive plan. it didn't work. r e of the arguments was border security will neppen but the legalization will. there's no doubt it's a tough issue. people looked at it in 2013 and

said, this is easy, we're goingi to do this way are figuring out how difficult this is. we have to deal with it. i believe that as you said, what the president wants is but a fraction of what that bill in 2013 did on border security. if we can get somethingthdone satisfies it, i am confident the president is prepared to move forward on ah bu other parts of immigration reform that people didn't normally associate with him or h white house. we have to do that part first. >> you have said you are opposed the national emergency option. in three weeks, i know you have noei appetite oner side of the aisle for another shutdown. if that's the only way to keep the government funded, he goes national emergency, how defiant are you on this option? will youidight the prt on this or not? >> i don't think it's a good idea. i thek it will a terrible idea. i hope he doesn't do it. >> would you fight him on it? >> sure. use i think it's important -- i don't think we will have to fight. i'm no surehey will do that. it's an option they looked at. you are at the mercy of a

district court and ultimately an appellate court. it may not withstand if you look at some of the other rulis venltrulings. it's not a good precedent to set. it doesn't mean i don't want border security. i do. i think that's the wrong way to achieve it. it doesn't provide certainty. you could wind up in a theatric victory at the front and not get it done. the best way to do it is to have a law that funds border security so we know it's going to happen. >> i want to turn to venezuela. you ou -- first of all, have been -- it's interesting. "the new york times" calls you e ouste in chief today. let me read you one part of this respondyou to the administration has given no indication of a clear plan to protect the united statess embassy and personnel against possible retaliation. while mr. rubio insists there are unspecified contingency options he will not reveal, administratione

is not prepared with a plan b in case mr. maduro fights. do you want this administration to use military power if necessary to back up mr. guaido? >> number one, i'm not the ouster in chief or anything like it. the credit belongs to the venezuelan people. this is their movement. this is about them. they are courageous and facing imprisonme imprisonment. the decider here is the president, who has never needed convincing on venezuela. i offer ideas? sure. he has a team around him. he has never ndedconvincing. he has raised it with me, the issue of n venezuela, more t raised it with him. he cares about this. as far as the analysts saying p there's n b, how would they know? we wouldn't -- the government -- trump administration is not going to publi, a pl here is what we're going to do to keep our pho saffolks safe.

i have been in touch with the people in ch,ge of th they have a plan. they have sevensl con ten again -- con continue again says. no harm should come to thedi omats. if it does, there will be consequences. as far as the military option, i don' cknow who isling for that. i can tell you this, this applies to venezuela, anywhere in the world, the united states has always had the rht to defend its national security and the use interests wit of force if necessary. i'm not saying that's what's going to happen here. i'm notspecifying -- that's not my decision to make. i'm telling you, the preferred outcome he is that maduro leaves and in 30 or 45 days they call an election and they elect someone democratically and venezuela returns to constitutional order. that's what i want. i want to ask you one kwesquic on on wikileaks. you stood alone among your party in 2016. let me play a f clipr you from ctober of 2016 where you pledged never to use anything that came from wikileaks. take a listen.

>> personally will not be talking about any revelatns that come about as a result of wikileaks. our intelligence officials who are not partisan people have told us this is the work of a foreign intellince agency. hat i would say to my republican congresses, today it's them, today it could be us. >> if you work with wikileaks, are you working against okerica? >> i don't know if everybody had the same idea i did or had accein to the same rmation i did when i said that. it should be clear by now that wikileaks andthers like that could have been tools of foreign intelligence used to divide america. i believe anyone cooperating with them is doing the work of a foreign intelligence agency to harm us. i know what you are getting at with roger stone and all hat. i c tell you -- frankly, i mean this in truth, not in a spirit stiness, the media was unwitting in this, too. the media reported eathlessly

on a lot of the revelations leaked that we know were t product of the work of russian intelligence. all of u.s need tore wi-- when we see this from a third party source that we don't know who it is, we have to be careful we are not doing the work of the russians or some other intelligence agency that is trying to underminue us. >> should it be a crime working with wiki taks? t's a good question. if you are witnessi iparticipat work of a foreign intelligence agency. one of the keys they do is they are -- it's not t likeey have a sign at the front door that says, we're -- we are an instrument of russ intelligence or being used by russian intel gligence for this. that's why i supported the special prosecutor. we will have all the facts and we can render judgment. 's a big mistake, trust me, to jump to any conclusions until mr. mueller's work is done. >> senato marco rubio,

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boeing, continuing to connect, protect, explore and inspire. >> back now with "end game." i think america feels like all lost here. look at this word cloud. the state of america today, wrong track the biggest word. i joked o fday that if we have brokenl michae bennett, the mild mannered democratic senator from colorado, then everybody in the united states senate needs eyto ask how re conducting themselves. michael bennett basically hadhi samuel l. jackson snakes on a plane moment on the floor of the u.s. senate. take a listen. >> it hadil $46on in border security in it. 46! not $5 billion for his rinky dink wall he i talking about building. >> i think that's an incredible

isment. it alsn example of how people were feeling i think all over the country. there were so many stories of families really trying to cobble together their last yopenny. had this increasing feeling that the people that were part of the administration, including billionaire cabinet members, they didn't understand what were going on. wilbur ross' statements that he didn't understand why federal workers would go to food pantries i think really took the air out of a lot of people's lungs. there's been a growing gap between e rich a the poor in this country for a long time. it was really on display in that moment. i think him losing it onthe senate floor was really a lot of americans saying, we can't take this anymore. >> i think it speaks to the fact that no one wins in a government shutdown. yes, everyone is sayhe analysis is that the president caved and pelosi showw strong she was. that's the politics. the american people don't feel that way they are scratching their heads. they are wondering what all of this pain was f and frankly how it can be prevented. that's why i think it's

significant that leader mccarthy and congressman jeffries indicated willingness to support legislation to prevent this happening again. >> i didn't think you could widen the gap more until this happened. now it is completely gone. i told you earlier that talked to the westerners who began by saying, like trump, like his policy. then they said, wish he would stop tweeting all o ime. last time i talked to them, he is a clown, i can't stand him. but it's still the polelies that we bieve in. anywhere i go, republican, democrat, independent, why can't they find common ground? every community in america finds a way build a school or to do n.mething about downt here we can't do it because we breathe the same air toxic s toxic and how seriously people take their positions o

something. >> sad no compromise, the word cloud. go b andolve this. jared kushner is leading it. it'srt more imt to shut down the maduro government than our government. donald trump is winning becauseo of blton and pompeo arein winn that's going to happen. that's going to bring us together. >> that is going to bng us together? getting involved in a latin american politics? >> absolutely. russia i against that. >> i understand. >> that will help. that will help. >> i think becse there'sgoing to be this committee of bipartisan leaders, there are what you are -- you will see peop trying to talk about facts and maybe try to get on the same page. part of what that speech was about was this rinky dink wall is what he called it. i interviewed the mayor of mccallentexas. he said we don't need a wall. a wall is not going to solve ous is there's an issue here with people not understanding that facts aren't bedng ag upon.

>> the problem is in wyoming and south dakota, they think they need a wall. in texas and arizona, they don't. >> i know. >> right? >> a lot of this we don't want to talk about. the fact is the republican side, a lot of people see the rise of an extraordinary important new constituency, hispanics, what will come here and be democrats. i hear when i push people harder, i don't know whether want brown grand babies. that's what's going on. i happen to believe that the hispanics should work harder at assimilation. i've been saying for a long time that they out not to be codified in their community but make sure that all of their kids are learning to speak english and they feel comfortable in the communities. that's going to take outreach on both sides. >> congressman i peter king a conversation that i had with him spoke to sort of this remarkable moment in which w find ourselves. he says what has to happen, both sides need to ignore the fringes.

you have the far right andfa th left screaming, yelling the loudest. to some extent, preventing compromise. >> there will be no compromise unless there's is a double layer fence 700 miles long. that's the minimum necessary. in exchange for that, regularization for 10 million people, not just daca, there's a big deal to be had. the extremists should be condemned. the fringe should be ignored. g the base c together. >> i would say we need to adjust what we think of as america. i grew up in miami where people speak spanish but the kids speak english. we think america can only speak english as if spanish wasn't part of america is troubling. >> we will leave it there. all spanish and all english.at all we have for today. thank you for watching. we will be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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