>> announcer: this sunday -- waiting for >>eller. the washington waiting game goes on. >> we' waiting for the mueller report. >> they're waiting for robert report.'s >> with robert mueller said to be wrapping up, still so many unanswered questions. what did president trump know about the infamous trump tower meeting? was there ordination betw the trump campaign and russia? most of all, why does ite seem esident doesn't want to get to the bottom of what russia did? we'll break it all down with nealkatyal. acting solicitor general. sol wisenberg. democrat jim himes. and arkansas governor asa humpenson. also, that coast guard

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. >> announcer: from nbc news in washington. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd.we >>l look today what to expect when you're expecting -- the mueller report. from t moment he was appointed, washington existed in a political lime . ite house has been working whertime to discredit the investigation whe democrats are dreaming of a watergate-type gotcha moment. this reminded us of the hurricane projection maps. and anything from catastrophic the benign. wedecided to track mueller report projections. many democrats are hoping it's a cap goir 5 whopper. a direct hit on washington, d.c., taking down trump and spawning more storms and tornadoes that impact other trump another is that hurricane

neweler sideswipes and hits favorite avenue damaging on trump's foundation and business empire. and the model thatli repns are hoping for. the dun of a storm. leaving demrats wet and embarrassed. no matter what we know that report will not be turned over this week. when the report is madeai ble in some form to the public, the question is how many of our unanswered questions will filly be answered. >> what do you expect? >> i guess, from what i understand, that will be totally up to the attorney general. r orter: the russia probe led to indipts of 34 individuals and produced six guilty pleas. as the nation waits for robert report, ao deliver his host of xwes remain. including a number own unknowns. among them, question one, what did mr. trump know about the june 2016 trump tower meeting with the russians connected to themlkre?

and when did he know it? >> when did you learn about the don meeting?te >> repor question two, why did paul manafort share polling data with russian con stan teen clim neck. >> here is the campaign champlne meeting with associated with russian intelligence. offering polling data. >> did you know that paul manafort was sharing pollingta rom your campaign with the russian? >> no. i didn't know anything about it. . >> reporter: was president trump compromised by his business rmalingsy russia? his fo lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, facing jail inst juver two months, has been providing information to federal prosecutors about the trump organization. and will testify before three congressional committees this week >> the man doesn't tell the truth. it's sad. that i should take

responsibility foris dirty deeds. >> reporter: question four. who direct michael flynn'sts contwith former russian ambassador sergei kislyak? why did flynn lie about the don ver sagss? what did mr. trump know about them? >> some people say he lied. some people say he didn't lie. i mean, really, it turned maybe he didn't lie. >> reporter: who at the trump campaign directed roger stone to get information about upcoming wickly leaks disclosures in the clinton campaign? and did anyone help wileaks curate the e-mails. >> russia, if you're i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> reporter: and there are more questions. will anyone else be charge sthd will president trump be subpoenaed? why has theresident obfuscated, attacked, and misdirected if he has nothing to

hide? why doesn't the president want to get to the bottom of what russia did? and finally, the biggest question of all, was there quote, collusion, a conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia. t there was with withough collusion. struction.no there was no anything. so that's the nice pa p. there was ne calls. >> reporter: the president's lawyer has been less definitive. >> i never said there was no collusion between the campaign or people in the campaign. >> yes, you have. >> i have not. i said the president of theit states. >> joining me now, neal katyal and sol wiseerg. welcome to both of you. all right. you're my counselors for this. neal, let me start with you. we have a lot of open reads here. what -- what is mueller potentially could still do thnt the presihould be concerned about before submitting this report? >> mueller can do a lot. he's done some things. we know he's indicted 37 people and 199 different countsin

incltrump's inner sirkle. people like michael flynn, paul manafort. his campaignmaager. michael cohen, his personal lawyer. so if this is a witch hunt, mueller's found a koeccoven at . po there are smaller ones, like jerome kor si. and bigg eger fish, as well. and then you have qwhstions abou's the report going to say? >> and i want to get to that. sol, rudy giulia said he hasn't heard from him -- the special counsel's office now, in about a month since they turned in the answers of their question. the lack of communication. should thatr make theident nervous? >> i think it should make him nervous. but in answer to one of your questions to neal, i think that -- it's difficult m for to imagine that let's taketronald p jr. if mueller was going to indict

donald trump ifjr., it'scult for me to imagine that he would ait until after a report was filed to do that. so -- i think -- once that rert is filed, you know -- there won't be any more indictments from mueller's shot. as opposed to southern district of new york. >>that's a different story? >> that's a different story. a lot of people have be indicted and pled guilty. but given mueller's original charge, the is no american citizen living here, nobody associated with the tr campaign, that's been indicted for criminally conspiring with the russian with respect to the campaign. >> i want to reinforce. if mueller is goingo have more indictments, they'll come before this report? lying to congress, that would come before the report? >> they would be returned. o whethe not they'll be revealed, i don't know. >> gotcha. neal, the eiglection

conspiracy. to be charged. if he was gng char a giant election conspiracy, would we have seen it alreador will it be the grand finale? >> it could be coming. muler might do the setup piece for it. but look. that eady have some of information. mueller has indicted roger stone for conspiring with kswikil he indicted papadopoulos for lying about meetingus withan agents before the e-mail scwndal became kn april 2016. we're seeing the outlines of a eller report that lookke he's alleging some sort of conspiracy. i edisag with my friend, sol, here, when he says, oh, there's nothing in tse indictments about a russian collusion, russian conspiracy. there is. >> there are things in the dictment. but, nobody has been indicted for actually conspirg with the russians to violate the criminal law in connection with the investigation. they've been indicted for

obstruction of justice. witness tampering. a lot of it relates to questio about the russians. that's something everybody should be concerned about wonder about. but, in terms of his origin until chargoriginal charge. i'm not saying it won't happen. >>stdoes ction prove the collusion? >> it sure comes close. it's a thin read to s you've been indicted about obstruction of jus relating to the russian collusion and not the collusion itself. anyone in law enforcement knows these are really crucial crimes because it obscures the search for thetruth. look at manafort and how much he's been lying and delaying. >> how much should we interpret obstruction as that might be evidence of collusio >> i don't denigrate it at all. i think it's serious. ihink you should wonder why people lie. it's an interestin feature this administration that a lot

of people connected with it lie when there's though apparent reason to lie. lookt michael flynn. he had already told people in the -- administration, he was going to talk to the russians in the transition peod. >> and he apparently told andy mccabe he knew they were li ening. >> he reads a story in "the washington post" saying he's under ination for the logan act and tells something allegedly untrue to vi president pence and lies to the government about it. why? it's a big mystery why some of the people did but yes, we should absolutely be concerned. >> i want to talk about the yoreport. neal wrote the regulations about these reports. muler's report to barr. here's what i says in the regulation. at the conclusion of 2 special counsel's work, he or she shad general he attorney with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or deck lynn nation decisions by the special counsel. what was your intent? >> was that it would be law

enforcement sensitive material in there. you wanted the report to be confidential. however, when you're with potential wrong doing by the president of the united states, if muellerinds formation out that says this, absolutely the attorney general, here barr, has the discretion te turneport over the congress. public confidence in the administration of justice. and any sorlt of suppressed reportf presidential wrong doing will flunk that test. >> let meread part two. it's barr to congress. it says this, the attorney general will notify the chairman and ranking minority member of the diciary committees of each house of congress with an explanation upon colon collusion of the specialcounsel's investigation. that could be anything. how do you thi bill barr will interpret that? >> it's an interesting conflict potentially between the plain language of theti regus and

the intent of the framer here. who sees a little mre in i than the plain language. i think barr has great discretion. he's already said. i'm going to reveal as much a's can. one of the interesting questio , how will mueller present his report to barr.mu ler, in my opinion, will do a very thorough report. he can do it in way if he wants to that makes it easy e for barr to release it to the public. >> will we see bob barr testite front of congress? >> i think so. there are protections like grand ry materials an sources and the like. we're in a different world than when the regulations where written because the republicans ve pierced all that stuff. there will be a lot more

pressure on mueller to give all ofhinformation to congress. >> and sol, what does bill barr do when the president says he wants to read the report? >> i think it's perfectly fine for the president to read e report. >> before congress or anybody else sees it? >> i don't see a probl with that. the problem is if the president orders bar do or not to do something about the report. i don't think barr willtand for that. >> sol, neal, thank you so much. it, is possib course, that the mueller investigation could lead to impeachment proceedings. 20 years prago, afteident bill clinton was impeechd, arkansas republican asa hutchinson was a houseman aernlg ca united states senate. >> it's simply any corrupt act or attempt to impede the proper functions of our system of e. just it's a criminal offense. a felony.

and ithas historically been an impeachable offense. the obstruction of justice is of great consequence and significance to the integrity of our nation when b committed anyone. but particularly by the chiefex utive of our land, the president of the united states. >> well, joining meow is asa hutchinson. who is now the governor of arkansas. and a former member of congress. and fr stamford, connecticut, jim himes,tsho on the house intelligence committee. welcome to both of >>u. ood morning. >> governor, let me start with you. obstruction of tstice, is t is among the chief charges against president trump, that was something that -- you brought --o the united states senate against then-president bill clinton. w serious isan obstruction of justice charge against the president of the united states? >> it's very serious. that's one of the reasons we pursued it back in president

clinton's impeachment trial. it's a vhigh bar. as that was presented, there was nosufficient vote the senate to convict on that. and the american public looks at any charge against president of the united states with great scrutiny, as they should. so it's a veryigh bar. in this instance, i think that is probably one of the most teresting aspects of the anticipated mueller report as to what formet would in. you have to remember thatters first of al kenneth starr in his independent counsel review, four-year investigation. that was pree seed by robert fisk. this was two years. willhere be specific i'mization of crimes? that was the outline with kenneth starr. i don't an miss pate that happening. that will guide and direct congress. >> congressm maman himes, what

you looking for from this report? and is it -- is it an automatic that we'll see at least an inquiry into impeachment? >> i'm lookthg for a report gets to the truth and gets out there. important. very you said in the preface of your show, democrats are hoping for s this, republire looking for that. it's a political world. i think people have their hes. re than anything else, you know, the question of the russian interference and the possibility of collusion by the president and his people has twisted our litics into something unrecognizable for the last two years.be includingvior on the part of the president attacking the fbi, attacking bob mueller. everything about this has become political. way to end that ishe for truth to be out there. if that truth indicates that president ump commit nod ime, impeachable or otherwise, so be it.

if it indicates he did,t's a much more complicated world. first and foremost, given that wea we've been on the edge of our seats, everyone in the country needs to know what happened. and then we decide where to take it from there. >> governor, you said something interesting. you said youamented the fact that there was -- you couldn't figure out a way to make the impeachment proceingsn the late 1990s more bipartisan. on the onehand, you think, of course you couldn't. you couldn't get bipartisan cooperation for the mechanics of it. all right, how do you convince your fellow republicans today that that was a mistake that democrats made with you. on't make the same mistake if democrats go down this road? >> first of all, you have to try. and that's a big part of it. you have to have conversations as to howhould this be approached in a bipartisan way? how to deal with the mueller report? in terms of what should be disclose snd the timing?

as well as what's the next steps? it odepends what is there. and again, this could be a simply at. rep that does not outline in offenses against the president of the united states. then you're going to wind up having investigations by different committees. it will wind up partisan. which is a disappointment. but i think you first have to try to say, let's communicate. what isig the thing to do here? what can be done in a bipartisan way? >> congressmanus himes. the intelligence committee to me has proven difficult to find bipartisan cooperation. is there anythin's th changed in the intel committee since the chairmanships d?chan >> one obvious answer to that question is that the chairman is no long eer devin nunes. very on, he sort of turned over

hisiv aies to being the defense of the president. and devin is part of that group. it's not a huge group. but part of the group in the congress that is fully dedicated, facts be daed, at protecting the president. we need to try to make this bi rtisan in how we approach whatever comes out. it's more important today than r because, of course, today, facts are disputed. i remember the clintontuation in the '90s. there wasn't a lot of disput about the facts. now, each and every fact is disputed. we're going to git a feel for p thrtisan warping of our system this week because there will be a resolution in front of the house saying that the president's emergency declaration, sth decision to spend money contrary to theill of the congress is not constitutional. and it's goingo be quite a spectacle. a lot of the republicans in the owe wh administration who

called him a king and a dictator and the pen in the phone wud such a tartling damage thing to our constitution i suspect are going to vote n to hold president trump for going around the cnstitution on his issue of the wall. >> i have two final questions. michael cohen will testify in front of your committee this ek what are you looking for from him? >> well, you know, michael cohen is going to jail for lying to my committee. step one is to re-ask him the questions that he felt hd nee to lie to us about when he testified i the las congress. so we're going to want to get to the truth. allow him to correct therecord. and then the question is, now that we know the truth, what are the followups? it will be an interesting week. he'll appear in my committee after he appears publicly in the oversight committee. we'll have an opportunity to ask followup questions. there's always a question about whether he feed retribution for his testimony.

i don't think he'll say a lot that is classayied. he have some things that he doesn't feel comfortable ying publicly that he then wants to say either to ther senate the house intelligence committees in closed session. >> governor, i want to ask you a question. governor larry hogan has lamented tha the rnc seems to be rigging the rules to even prevent a challenge opinion a republican primary challenge th sitting president. do you think the rnc should let the chips fall where they may? >> well, this is presint trump's rnc in the sense that hi appoints the chairman. so obviously, there is something that is pro the white house and the administration. but, obviouy, in ou system of democracy and in our party. anybody's free to ma the challenge. sometimes it's a more difficult environment than others. in this case, with president trump's record with what he's

accomplished, it would be very difficult for someone to mount a successful challenge at this point. >> there's a debate in your party. >> you're always going to have a debate. like i said, there's pele who criticize president trump because we don't like his style. you don't win campaign on style. i mean, you might mswin. but in tf challenging incumbent, it's about policy and what you've accomplished. what he's done in terms of rd increased security and the court. deregulate more authority to the governors in terms of de-emphasizing north korea is a problem. he's had tremendous success. and so, that's the record he would present. it would b difficult to challenge that. by.thank you both for coming >> thank you. >> and sharing your views. congressman jim himes, we'll watch you this week for the cohen hearings.

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lonhee chen. heather mcgee. a senior fellow at demos. nbc news chi foreign affairs correspondent an degree ka mi hell. and al cardenas in his last sunday of bachelor hood.ye i said that ou loaud. >> quon grach lacongratulations. i gotta read the government threw the book at manafort. his desite, a fundamental mponent of crimes of conviction and relevant conduct extended to tax prepayers, book coopers. banks, the tpaasury ment. the department of justice, national security igdw the fbi, the special counsel's office, the grand jy. his own legal counsel. he presents a grave risk of cidivism. i would say the government is pretty much do with paul

manafort. mueller's report, or whater rsion the pick cease lrks be an important document. whenever it emerges. it needn't change anything about the basic story. you don't need a weatherman to know which wayhe wind blows. you don't need a special counsel'owreport to kn what kind of president trump is. >> people in this environment have made up their minds. peop will argue ithe way we think they will. republicans will argue it their way. democrats will argue it their way. the 202 kantcandidates will loot it their way. at the end of the day, it's a political document han anything else. >> it's also a historical document, what am i going to tell my children about this time?d of if we just think about what the talking heads and politicians are t ing to say rinow, i think we're doing a disservice to the long course of history of this country.

thiss an amazing amount of abuse ofwe por. lies from left and right. of the admthistration. an campaign. we have to have a long view of the reckoning wekeave to t after the mueller report, after this administration is over. >> i think the following. a lot of -- a lot of important people c ountry's tweets posted heretofore will not bode well. i think the mueller investigationas done not a lot of good to the country. opened up other resources. dealing with that. a lot of people who are bad peopleou suing the president of the united states have been indicted or convicted. i will say this. i don't think the president will ct in. i have made up my mind on that when they agreed to answer in writing. o a lo important questions. that the mueller investigation

nt them. you don't normally do that if you feel like you're in serious threat of an nvestigation. lastly, i think the mueller report will end with unfinished business. campaign violations, position research that stone and others got. there will be a lot to look into. i couldn't agree more with heather. this will be a bar set where people will compare conduct int future with what happened. >> i think the real question is, how serious is obstruction of justice to members of congress? that's what i think we're going to find out. >> and perjury. these are t process infractions. this goes to the heart of the criminal justice system. i agree with heather. we have let people normalize criminal behaviornd bad behavior and abnormal behavior through tweets, through branding. these are experts on branding. as neal katyal said,th if is

a witch hunt, they've found a coven so far. this cannot be let to stand. i woulz caution that going forward in 2020, we don't know what impuls now in social media are being programmed from moscow.a and we seen the forensics of what happened in 2016. and i see a lot of things goingi l. i'm no so us suspicious ibout anythi reading. >> why aren't the americans mor suspicious? he never says, i'm looking forward to the special counsel's report. >> i think it comesback to the politics. given the president has a 90%al appr rating with republican voters, i think mostan republ feel like questioning the president puts them at odds with their base. and it puts them at odds to someone with a powerful

microphone. is there something more sinister here? does it come back the putin? >> the president not saying directly, i look forward to the report. these are things that raise additional suspicion. >> i think richard nixon publicly claimed he wanted to reports to be published. >> i thing it's a fairlyimple political calculus. >> it will not make go away the ions about putin, the president, and hi family, no whaat matter what the report says. >> and why people lie s much? what are they lying about? >> can democratst -- me ask you this. i've thought about this. will democrats regret if they don't open an impeachment investigation? >> if we can have bill clinton impeacr obstruction of justice about a sexual affair, these are t thingsat could amount to treason against the

united states. conspiracy. it's just, and democrats are often looking at the polls. whether or not it's going to be a winning case in the senate. something any republicans will get on. i thinkde n to watch mitt romney in utah. utah is a place where donald trump is not very popular. whether or not it succeeds, these are people that took an oa to the constitution. >> what is the unintended consequence if ty don't do that? >> aren't they afraid looking back at newt gingrich and what happened, that's the political argument. and that may be trumping everything else. >> and republicans will not fare well by whitewashing this investigation. or taking on mueller. hi reputation is impeccable. if he becomes a target, that will inure to our detriment.

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trump had tweeted about everything from so-called fake news to the wall to the actor ssie smollett, that the president finally commented on this case. and then, only when asked. >> i think it's a shame. yeah. i think itry a v sad thing. a thing like that happens. i've expresedha but i'm actually getting a very complete briefing in about two hours. >> on do you thin you bear any responsibility for moderating your language when it comes to that? >> no, i don't i think my language is very nice. >> joining know now is t former homeland security secretary jeh johnson. welcome back t "meet the press." >> thank you for having me, chuck. >> the most unusual aspect is that iteemed to take 72 hours before the public knew. maybe you can explain. given gnat it was a coast guard lieutenant, why did it ke so long to go public? and why did the government look like it was underhiaying >> first, chuck, i think it's

important to note that thear cot in general is an outstanding military service. i think i know something about the coast guard. i washeir civilian oversight. >> it's part of homeland security. not the pentagon. >> there's no deep, dark, violent extremist gro residing in the coast guard. this person was an exception. there are various reasons why an arrein arrest, a cr investigation may not come to light right away. i don't have a good explanation why it took 72 hour. i'm glad investigators uncoverered this indivs writings on his government commuter. and the fact that he's been arrested. so that's the good news story here. hat's off to investigators for uncovering this before anything bad could happen. >> the question i have is how did somebodyh w this ideology get into the coast guard?

number one. stay in the coast guard? number two. and apparently, if he was doing this stuff at his work computer, how did nobody notice? >> first, rightly so, when you enlist in the military. you go to a military academy. you go to basic training. weson't ask what your political leaning? we don't probe political thoughts. the u.s. military. our service should be apolitical. and for the most part they are. they're itapal. remarkable professionals. to go down the road of probing peop people's views on things is a dangerous road. we nee do a better job of rooting out people who rbor extremist views hat could turn the violence. the good news story is, w d, in fact, uncover this individual's plans and hatred before he was able to act on it. >> there's been controversy in the past, thathomeland security administration that you ran an the one previouso you wanted to identify a rise in hat they

thought was dostic threats. white nationalism. in 2016, dh had 41 employees and a $21 million budget to counter violent extremism. in 2018, it's eight employees and the budget is less than $8 million. >> that's going in the krowron >> they're saying, hey, you're trying to police speech. this is not confronting rad dal islamic situations. >> the mission is not about policing orr curbing discouraging free speech. but building brijs to communities from which terrorist organizations or ha groups might seek to recruit. that was something i spen a lot of time on when i was secretary. it became the center piece of my counterterrorism mission. ias gladhat the congress in 2016 actually funded homeland

security's efforts to support local organizations in this. for example, a group based in chicago, called life after hate. which works with individuals who have left white supremacist groups. i think that is something we need to rededicate ourselves and focus on more now. there was a troubling "new york times" magazine story about this issue of white nationalism. in 2017, there were 65 incidents. roughly 60% were driven by racist, anti-muslim, mianti- anti-semitic thoughts. there seems to be a threat of white nationalism and law enforcement doesn't know how to is that because of the politics? >> i hope not. ve definitely, there is a rise in the levels oftr eist

violent behavior directed not just at people based on i think what is new is directed at people perceived t occupy a political ideology list.th lieutenant's personal belongings included the list.ik much the pipe bomber that was arrested. and thats new. and -- so -- without policing speech, withoutic pg thought in a free and open democratic iosociety, tradl law enforcement and in efforts of building bridges in communities needs to this is truly a difficult nut to crack. and the levels of hatred and violence we see are going up. the adl points out anti-semitism is going up now. it has to start at the top. leaders lead. and people really do lien to their leads. and the level of dialogue is deviating downward. the civility of our dialogue is

deviating downward such that people like this coastrd g lieutenant feel emboldened. >> because the president doesn't condemn this, because the president doesn't want to take the lead on this, there is not much government cando until he does? >> i think it's incumbent oner leip across the spectrum to lower the levels of our -- oi to the levels of our civil discourse, discourage violence. call it out wherever it might exist on the popetical rum. >> i have to ask you quickly. we'll have a vote on whether this is an ergency at the border. some democrats have talked about removing fenning at the border. is it a national and would you be in favor of seeing less fencing than is there w? i am not in favor of seeing less fencing than there is now.t i thint we need to continue our efforts at border security. mart bordersecurity. smart investments in the use of

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and you say has to be my way or the highway. i don't respond to that. >> yeah. right? kind of awkward, well -- not comfortable. but -- here's some portions of what you did not see. >> okay. i'll tell you what. we have our own green new deal piece of legislation. i will give you a copy of what we do support. and you can take a look at it and if you have a problem with it, you can let me know. but, i think it has a much better chanceof passing. than what this is. >> i think a lot of people look at that and think, boy,ul she have been more -- less toneeaf on how to talk to the kids. and who are the adults using kids to prtice politics? the whole thing was uncomfortable? i think first of all, she is a leader on the subject. so, why didn't they go after someone whoai is at climate

change? she has legislation? she's saying i don't want to signn to the new green deal because it's aspirational. i'mg work something real. who are the adults who bring their d kids wh't understand this. i understand the passion of this. to ambush a senator this way. and again, her political skills were lacking in the way social media relaid this. go after the critics. she's been stalwart on guns, on climate change, on all the other issues. it shows you the perils of social media. i don'terstand this activism. >> this is a great topic to talk about. the children and the sunrise , movemetarted by young people are sleeping outside of mitch mcconnell's office. it's often why are we attacking democrats is wha people say. but they're also -- >> the 80/20.

80% and 20% against. >> they don't post vids though. they haven't posted videos outside mcconnece's of >> they have. they haven't gone viral. one of the things that is sort impot is a difference of urgency. for someone who is 7 years old. we just talked about the clinton impeachment like it was yesterday. 20 years from now, all coral reefs will be gone. i'm sorrytt'm g emotional. dianne feinsteinas been great. and she's been in office and not had the urgency that is reired. this is an emergency in the country. it's an emergency on this planet. there is no higher responsibility of anyone with an kind of political power right now is to op a global catastrophe that is happening now. >> i agree. but heaer, she's got legislation she's working on. >> it's not going to solve the .

prob >> is the new green deal going to solve the problem? >> absolutely. theolicy platform, if you look at the think tanks that have gone behind it. >> i agree with the hopes. >> it's not a question of hopes. is there going to be reality for our children a their children's children. it's the plan. >> thiss the pull of the 2020 democratic primary procesth challenge is, you have so many people playing in this lane, in this lane around this green new deal that have endorsed it rg said this isei policy preference, that's a very crowded lane in a 15-person field. if you think about the 15-person field. ou have the think about the politics. the pure politics -- it may be until day realize it means they're going to lose their health care. tran ation. everything they care about. >> they're going toal lose nati sovereignty? >> i think there is an

opportunity for someone like an obuchar. like a joe biden. like a mike bloomberg to say, i think there's a different way to deal with this. >> i don't get to the merits of policy. we need gree more that to focus on climate change. as a father ofc five ldren, would have very much resented anybody in the schoolound mig kids with propaganda, either left or right as to political issues. teach them civility. the art of listening. the art of developing a -- but not standing in front of an elected official. >> i agree with the policiepoli. > i have to actually get off the air. what a conversation. i don't want to it end. i have to. h that's all ie for today. thanks for watching. "meet the day, it's press." we'll still be debating this. i promise you. thank you for watching.

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