michael cohengr tells cons what he thinks of president trump. >> he is a racist. he is a con man and he is a cheat. >> and provides new areas for investigators to look at, from jared and ivanka to mr. trump's tax returns. republicansn.ttack cohe >> you lied. >> he lies. >> you are a liar. >> liar, liar, pants on re. and president trump tells a conservative conference what he investigator the >> and you will of a sudden they're trying to take you out with [ bleep ]. >> i will talk to the vice-chairman of the senate intelligence committee, democrat ma warner and to the ranking republican on the house oversight committee, jim jordan. plus democrats and activists are arguing over impeaching the president. >> impeachment of this corrupt and lawless president is a first step. >> impeachment is a divisive

issue in our country and let us see what the facts are. >> debating purity tests for democratic members of congress and disagreeing over what's more important to them in 2020. a candidate who shares their views or one who simply can beat president trump. and finally, no deal. the president walks ithout an agreement with kim jong-un on nukes and sanctions. >> sometimes you have to walk nd this was just one of those times. >> so what happens now?g joinin me for insight and analysis are helene cooper, pentagon correspondent for "the new york times," matt bai, national political columnist for yahoo news. nbc news national politic reporter heidi przybyla. >> and john podhorretz. welcome to sunday, it' "meet the press." >> from nbc news in wa ington, the longest running sw in history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd.

good sunday morning. to be fair we've lost count of the number of tim we've been tempted to say that this or that onweek was the mostquential of the trump presidency. but this week certainly is worthy of consideration. consider we saw president trump's former lawyer and fixer michael cohen testify before congress about alleged illegal activity by mr. trump as president. we saw house republicans ignore all of cohen's charges and fiercely aack hen's credibility. we saw the hanoi summit with kim jong-un fall apartith no agreement. we saw an emerging controversy over how jared kushner received hiec topt security clearance. we saw the house vote to reverse the ident's national emergency declaration. yesterday we saw a president who eemed both energized by his crowd at a conservative conference and simultaneously unnerved byverything that's happening around him. the longest speech of his presidency before an according cpac audience mr. trump was eager or maybe desperate to recount every success,very

controversy and every grievance of his presidency. >> crowd size. negotiating with china. i'm building the wall. and we got rid of the individual mandate. religious liberty. lying james comey. socialist. the collusion delusion. those caravans. national emergency. we're beingnved by drugs, by people, by criminals. phoney charges of russia. russia, russia, ,russ russia. >> the manic performance complete with eletives seemed like a fitting end to a week like few others in mr. trump's presidency. g, what i t heards morn president trump is waiting for the mueller report. >> with mueller's reported expeny day, president trump delivered an agitated 122-minute speech to conservative activists on saturday, railing against the special nocounsel. >> robert mueller never received a vote. >> and his own justice department for leaving mueller in place. >> and as you know, the attorney

general says i'm going to recuse myself. you put the wrong people in a couple of positio and they leave people for a long time that shoul t't bere and all of a sudden they're trying to take you out with [ bleep ]. okay? with [ bleep ]. >> he also attacked his former lawyer, michael cohen. >> he is a stone cold killer. he is a brutal man. >> b i am noonger your fixer, mr. trump. >> in a riveting public spectacle this week cohen turned on his former boss and signaled a new phasen the russia probe. cohen alleged that president trump paid hush money to adult film actrermy daniels, a crime while in office. >> there are 11 checks that i received for the year. >> he has allegedog that stone alerted mr. trump ahead of time in july of 2016 wikileaks e-mails were coming. >> roen na graph yelled out to roger is line one. >> he alleges attorneys f the

president as well as jared kushnerie revwed his false testimony to congress last year about the trump tower moscow advance. >> because mr. trump had made gh his personar statements to me that we both knew to be false and throu lies to the country t wanted me to li >> coh also said federal prosecutors in new york are looking at what the president said to him after they searcd s office last year. >> this topic is actually something that's beingst inated right now by the southern district of new york andn i've b asked by them not to discuss it. >> and cohen directed congressional investigators toward potential key witnesses, including the president's former employees and family members. democrats were quick to seize on the president's allegedim >> we saw evidence really of a crime spree. >> but while some democratic activists press for impeachment. >> impeachment of this corrupt and lawless president is a first

step. >> top democrats are putting the brakes on, insisting that for sw they will continue existing investigations, bpped short of calling them impeachment hearings. >> not one person, ot one person on our side even mentioned the word impeachment. not on >> instead it's republicans seeking to energize their base who are enthusiastically embracing the "i" word. >> impeachment.hm >> impet. >> yesterday was all about michael cohen being -- laying the predicate for t democrats and their crazy impeachment plans. >> joining me now is the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee mark warner of virginia. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> you also intviewed michael cohen this week, i think you had him the day before his house instimony. >> hours. >> nine hours. fair enough. and we had a pretty much an eight ornine-hour public hearing. how was the exchange behind closed drs different thahat the public saw on wednesday? >> well, first of all, let's realize this is a guy who was back before us because he had lied to our intelligence

committee about the fact that the ongoing negotiations on t towebe built in moscow went way beyond what he said andfr kly what donald trump said. i do think it's curious that mr. trump had spent more than a decade trying to build a building in moscow, didn't get much traction, suddenly he becomes a candidate for president and he's got all kinds of offers on the table. >> is that the only thing he lied about what yo know of ght now? >> again, we've got -- the three things that are in the public domain that i think we need further investigation, how long were the negotiations going on owfor a trump in moscow, obviously beyond january, didd they go bey even the convention, the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, said they may have gone on all the way through the econ. i think most voters would have liked to have known that piece of information before they voted. secondly,io this alleg -- >> is that a crime, though? >> well, it's not -- not necessarily a crime. i will let lawyers make a

determination on that. hbut it would be sure ak a relevant fact that a candidate for president was t trying negotiate with a foreign power, russia, offering the leader of that foreign power, putin, a $50 million free penthouse. i think most americans would say that's a relevant piece of information. the information i think we need more on, mr. trump has said he didn't know anything about the wikileaks dump of information detrimental to clinton. mr. cohen says that he wasth in office when trump took a call from julian assange right a day or two before the dump of the information. we need to find out if that's ue or not. we also heard testimony that donald trump jr. at let indicated to donald trump about the infamous now meeting that included his -- the president's son, the present's son-in-law, the president's campaign manager. again, that meeting was not

about russi adoptions, it was about offering dirt on hillary clinton. we nee to find out if all those things are true. >> was your entire focus of your portion of michael cohen only about the russia portion or did you also spend time on the trump organization and the various outside of russia parameters that you've been focused on? >> well, some of those facts came up, some of theawdry and appropriate behavior of some of the payoffs, but that was not something that we focused on. our investigation is the only bipartisan investigatit is still focused on counterintelligence. what happened in 2016, what level ofat collabn, collusion, how do we make sure it doesn't happen again in the future. >> why do cohen is suddenly telling you the truth now when he lied to you the last time? >> thisuy does not have a lot of veracity, we need to get ar documents, w receiving additional documents from him to prove or disprove, but i'd also say donald trump doesn't exactly have a great record of telling the truth as well. >> i want to play something that

the chair of the committee said not too long ago, richard burr. take a listen. >> well, i'm not sure how to put it anylearerhan i said it before. we have no factual evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> what does that mean, no factual evidence? >> well, again, richardnd burr i have worked together very well, we will continue to work i think there is enormous amounts of evidence. what you do with that evidence, whetgr it leads, i'm reservin my judgment until we finish the investigation. >> is it fair to call it circumstantial rightnow? >> let's just go through the litany of what we know. the ongoing negotiations about trump tower well into the campaign, i believe the that mr. trump knew about the dump of the wikilea material, the fact that clearly the meeting at trump tower meeting which was not described appropriately in terms of offering dirt. the present's campaig manager sharing information, polling information, with the. russia the earlier instance where russians were offering through

one of the campaigns papadopoulos to me that's all evidence. where that evidence leads in terms of a conclusion a g we've stil some of those key people to come back, i'm going to reserve judgment until i'm finished. there's no one that could factually say there's not plenty of evidence of collabotion or communications between trump organization and russians. >> there is a rept in the "washington post" that indicates that your committee and the house intelligence committne thatther angle to michael cohen's testimony has to do with a pardon or pardon shopping. hat more can you tell us about this issue? are you investigating off was s to michael >>hen? chuck, i cannot comment on what went on in a classified setting? >> i say this because a some point it's starting to become, you know -- it comes acros as innuendo when you can't say certain things and yet we see reports about it. >> when we receive information in a classified setting we will

investigate things that come up in classified settings, there will be an appropriate time to have the reveal, but when we t hengs in a classified setting, you know, that's the duty i too on a vice-chairman of the intelligence committee. >> so you w't say wheth the "washington post" sorry is correct or not. >> i'm not going to comment on thstory. >> i want to throw a sound bite at you from the president sterday. take listen. >> if you use your rights, if you use your power, if you use article 2, it's called obstruction, but only for trump. forobody else. >> so he's basically saying his firing of -- i mean, this about the firing of james comey, thatpr you cannot int that under any way as obstruction. is that fair? >> well,again, i will let lawyers make better judgments, but i will tell you this, an investigation into the president and his organization his campaign, involvement with

russians, a foreign power, a foreign adversarial power, a power that this president has said nary a negative word abouus aan des pit that he frankly kowtowed to in front of the whole world in that hearing -- tnt public testimony, public hearing in helsinki, i think that's all inappropriate. and thehiotion that president has done everything thatble to undermine investigation from firing comey to trying to undermine mueller, to me that does not seem appropriate. >> do you believe that a russian conspiracy without an actual evidence o a crime being committed, of a crime being committed, isnough to oust him from office? >> you're going to get me into those conversations whe i have not reached a final nclusion. what i do know this, i've been around politics a long time, just as you . >> yeah. >> i have never in mye lifet

seen a presidential campaign from a person of either party have this much outreach to a foreign count and a foreign country that the intelligence community and our committee has valited intervened massively in our election and intervened with an attempt to help one candidate, donald trump, and to hurt another candidate, hillary clinton. >> sounds like you have made your conclu you're close to a conclusion. >> those are the facts that we have all agreedo on a bipartisan basis. >> okay. >> what level of collaboration, collusion, cooperation, we've cleared got repeated efforts from the ssians, we clearly have evidence from donald trump's own son saying he would welcome that information, but, again, i'm going to reserve my final judgment until we collect all the information. candidly some of the key people that we want to see are sti caught up in the mueller criminal investigations and those criminal need to conclude before we get a chance to talk to them. >> mark warner, the t democrat on the senate intelligence committee, thanks for coming on

and sharing your views,sir. >> thank you. at that michael cohen hearing on wednesday republican members of the house oversight committeeefended president trump largely by attacking cohen o o assad committed to lying to congress ande was more on message than the ranking member of that committee, jim oujordan >>ave a history of lying over and over and ondr again frankly don't take my word for it, take what the c take what the southern district of new york said. cohen did crimema that were rked by a pattern of deception and that permeated his professional life. a pattern of deception for personal greed and ambition. and you just got 30 minutes of an opening statement you trashed the president of the united states of america. >> republican j congressm jordan of ohio joins me now. congressman jordan, welcome to eet the press." >> good to be with you. >> why do you think president trump hired somebody like michael cohen as this close confidant for decade. >> mr. cohen said it was some years tate deal 10, 12 ago. why i hired him i don't know. what i do know is what i said at

nge hearing and that is michael cohen is g to prison in two months for four distinct federal wimes, one ofch is lying to congress and yet the democrats made him their star witness, their firstou aed witness of the 116th congress is a guy who lying to o prison for congress. he came in last wednesday and did what? lied to congress. six different times. >> t president of the united states the lead attorney for him and essentially unofficial political adviser for a decade is this y person just described. >> i don't know about a political adviser. >> you just described. - we could >> you know he took credit for launching the trump campaign single handedly. >> does it bother you that donald trump surrounded -- kept this man as ahim as,co why did a confidant? >> you would have to ask -- that bother you >> not really. >> why? >> it just doesn't. what i know is what the president has done as two years as president of e united states. the democrats -- the press never seems to want to talk about this. think abors the two y under

president trump's leadership, taxes reduced, regulations reduced, economy growing as an unbelievable rate. gorsuch andanaugh on the court, out of the iran deal, salem, hostagee home from north korea and there is a new nafta agreement coming just to name a few things. that's what i tend to focus on is the amazing record under the leadership of president trump and you guys want to you can at that about a lawyer that word for h for ten years that came in and told all kinds of lies, six of which he said -- six lies which he said on the witness stand just last wednesday. >> do you believe mhael cohen when he said there was no collusion with russia. >> i believe a few thingsoh michael said, like he said in the hearing my name is michael deen cohen, i believe that.s therrobable a few other things we can pro of. >> do you believe he has never been to prague. >>ng that's sometou can verify. so that undermines this whole dossier which, remember, was the basis for this whole crazy investigation to begin with. >>hat's not -- i mean, that isn't the facts. >> it's a big fact. ha it is somethingyou -- >> we have had this debate before.

>> it's something that you belie but it has not been proven. >> it's the lead thing they took to the fisa court to g t the warran spy on the trump campaign that was paid for by the clinton pain. you know that's the case. >> when youse got tapers released to the public you found out that that wasn't the truth. >> yes, it and they didn't tell the court that the clinton campaid -- the clinton campaign paid the law fm who fired fusion gps who fired a foreigner. >> you left r out tublican donor who began the whole thing. >> our fbi used to get the rrant to spy on the trump campaign. >> why do you not want this investigation concluded by robert mueller? >> i want i concluded. i want it over with. >> but you continue toanuestion interfere with it so how is it ever going to end if you question and interfere with it? >> i'm not questioning or interfering with it. it can be public said he wants it to continue, he allowed it to continue. at some point will there will be some investigation and the attorney general will follow the law and release what he wants to release theaybe

whole thing. that's going to happen, we all know that. >> do you want it all complety released? donald trump jr. does. >> i'm open to whatever theat rney general decides. he should follow the law and regulations. if they release it all -- t id to think we should err on the side of transparency. i want the fisa applications released, the 302's from bruce oregon, all that released sohe american people can know exactly what happened when they launched this thing. >> do you believe the russians interfered with the 2016 ryection? >> ee said they thought they were trying to impact the ee will ex- >> do you believe it? >> yeah, i mean, of course that's what the intelligence community has told us, but there he -- >> do you believe did it to try to help donald trump win? >> who knows why they didit, but there is zero evidence -- >> do you think that is -- it unds like you believe it is possible that russians for their own foreign policy reasons nwanted trump clinton. >> i don't know. i mean, they can do whatever they -- whatever they're trying to , who knows what their motives were. what i know is there is not one bit of evidence to know any type of coordination, collusion,

conspiracy whatsoever between the trump campaign and russia to impact the election, but there is all kinds of evidence to show that the clinton campaign worked with russians tohe impact elections, via that whole thing i just described where they fired the law firm who hired fusion who hired christopher eel who communicated with russians and put together the fake dossier. >>hy do you think donald trump hired someone like paul manafort, why do you think pault manafort decid work for free for the trump campaign? >> i have no idea. >> does any of t t bother you considering all of his ties with the russian government? does that deserve scrutiny? >> and it's getting all kinds of scrutiny, for goodness mrsake. manafort has been indicted. >> do you believe it deserves scru wny? >> that't the special counsel is doing. that's his call, not my call. yeah, if they' looking at all that that's fine, but that's not what this wednesday was about. this was a guy comin in who has zero credibility and who has lied and is goingor to prison lying, one of those lies of

course was lying to congress previously and he came in of congress and told at least -- at least six different lies. >> you are very concerned about t of the line. does it bother you that paul manafort, george papadopoulos, michael flynn, michael cohen, all these people around the president, all theseeople around the president has all been convicted or pled guilty to lying to either investigators or congress. there is a lot of liars arounid the prt, why? >> here is what bothers me most, jim comey f director of fired, annie mccabe fired. >> you're upset that he was fired. >> lied three times under oath, dy mccabe isnder investigation, jim baker chief counsel at the fbi demoted then left, under investigation by the justice department. peter struck deputy head of i counteelligence demoted then fired. lisa paige fbi counselemoted and fired. >> two of those people kicked off the mueller team. >> why does the president surround himself with people who can't tell the truth to law enforcement or congress

>> whe have you ever seen an agency where the top five people heo by the way, chuck, ran clinton investigation, launched and ran the russian investigation, have either been fired, demoted or left the fbi, the top people? >> again, it doesn't -- you haven't answered the question i asked. why does the president has surrounded himself with people who cannot tell theaw truth to enforcement or congress? >> the president is surrounding eople that maybe he shouldn't, i don't know, but when he was running his campaign e, part of t was th the campaign, had been involved with republican politics before. why he selected him i don't 'mknow. whatost concerned about is what took place at the highest levels -- our committee is supposed to be the government oversight committee, we are supposed to look the abuses when government agencies do the kind of this i think so that i think they did athe top levels of the fbi, that's what we're supposed to be focused on. >>o'm a curious what you thought about this one comment by michael cohen. >> i'm responsible for your silliness because i did the same thing that you're doing now for ten years and i can only warn people the more people that follow mr. trump, as i did

blindly, are going to suffer the same consequences that i'm >> are you at all concerned, you're blindhi to som here? >> not at all. o my focus is on getting to the bottom of things, go he get t the truth. that's my focus as i've said the record under the president's leadershipeahe last two is simply amazing. the things that have been accomplished for this country th economically on the courts areas, foreignof policy as well. >> do you concede that the president has not always told the truth on russia. >> i don't think the phasident lied about russia at all. >> not once? >> there has been no coll nion -- about the trump tower moscow project? he didn't mislead the country on that >> >> even james comey when we deposed him said up until the day he was fired,ay 9th, 2017, said there was no -- they were doing this investigation for a while. no single bit of evidence to show any type of -- >> why do you think the prident didn't wanto tell the country that he had a trump works?oscow deal in the >> i don't know that. the president said one thing and you have michael cohen saying

something else. >> jim jordan, the top republican in the oversight committee, i'm guessing we will do this again. >> we will. >> thanks very much. wh> all right. we come back, the fallout from the cohen hearings and how serious are democrats about impeachment? the panel is nex ♪ ignition sequence starts. 10... 9... guidance is internal. 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ♪ unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you? for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer.

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welcom back. panel is here. matt blie, helene cooper, pentagon f corresponde "the new york times." our nbc news, heidi prezbela and ss" aring on "meet the p for the first time which is an error on my part, editor ofen cory. i feel like i'm saying this. you're the first timer so i'll give you the first shot at this. i want to put up peggy noonan fr this weekend because it was a fascinating column overall sort of trying to explain trump world and what she saw. here's what she writes on the cone hamrings. what iing, though, such a

rebuke and such an attack on the essential natu of a president and by an intimate has no equal. he didn't say richar nixon was thej. cancer. pod? >> okay. so michael cohen, if the fdny, southern district of new atrk or er hadn't broken down the door of his hotel room in the regency hotel, you know, in the summer of 2018, would he have said trdese that he said this week? of course not. he threw hself on the mercy of the world that hates trump having spent ten years doing nothing but defending trump. so his, you know, his moralistic attackn trump has to be taken with, you know, not a grain of salt, but a mountain of salt. having said that, the weird thing i think about he cohe testimony is that despite jim

jordan saying he was a terrible liar, in some ways he helped rump on the laruestion of russia and impeachment by saying that trump did not formally -- did not say i want you to lie to congress by eying thatad attempted to purchase the videotapese mentioned in dossier and had decided from that experience that d they not exist so, you know, that and a couple of other things as somebody who said i hate trump sow and he's terrible and everything terrible, and if he is such a confirmed liar, why didn't he say trump told me to lie? if he'd said it, trump would be subject to the possible charge of subornation of perjury, tt he did say it. >> heidi, michael cohen'scr ibility increased because he a few trump out of things. >> he did. to john's point there were a

nuf cases where he actually defended the president against pretty nasty accusations sharp thrown around like the elevator tape, the rumors thate he had s hit melania in the elevator and he built up his credibility because he was 10 trashing trump and especially on the collusion point and he said he didn't see evidence of collusion. so he wasn't 100% trashing the pradident and that him more credible on the new things that ee did bring to the table which was the news that there had been hush money payments and not just one, that were made throughout the entire course of this presidency. he also suggested that there is another separatemi cl investigation going on at the fdny. he said the were things he couldn't talk about and tantalizingly, he mentioned the final conversation with trump as something that was in that scope and that he coun't talk about. >> that was that, matt, and maybe a pardon. let me ask this. impeachable? is he john dean?

john dean brought the end of the nixon presidency. did michael cohen? >> look, i agree and he's a liar and you have to take that at facealue and ihought and i agree with peggy noonan on this, it was the portrait of the president he painted particully in his opening statement that i thought perhaps is more damaging in the end tha anrticular thing on which he exonerated the president. about the president looking at him and saying if i was going to go to vietnam, do u think i'm stupid? the president who he says never indicated he loved the countryd or wan make it better. this is a guy who spent years and years at his sid i thin there is a lingering, cumulative impact of that intimate portrait and damning a portrait by someone so close to the president. i do think we'll get to impeachment at some point because i don't think democts will hol themselves back before 2020, and i don't think it m tters and nothing will drive this president ffice and you have to think of him. he's not nixon. he's marion barry.

a guy who loves -- he loves it, right? he wants the fight. >> he does. >> helene, this was great, washington post on wednesday, why did house republicans just retack cohen and not defend trump? s what a white house republican said, truthfully it is tough tognore some of the gross and immoral behavior by the president said one senior house republican, but there was no defense. >> that was one of the extro d extraordinary things that came out of the michael cohen , hearings, u didn't hear people saying trump isn't a racist and you didn't hear people saying lethe me defend president and you heard him doing a consorted -- a concerted effort and to break down his credibility is clearly the republican strategy. i used to cover buddy seancy. you completely blew me up,

that's a great comparison. one of the things that i thought was a little bit sad about the reaction to the cohen hearing is that the united states -- people in the united states now are so inir respective camps. you have the left way off to the left and nobody is listening to facts or anything like that that's presented. people are not coming out and saying, wow, he said this, he said that. it's all been baked into the process and people hear what they want to hear. >> i think jimoran set out the course for the republican party from here o on which is i don't want to talk about any of this. i want to talk about tax cuts. i want toalk about the economy. i want to talk about foreign approximate policy. what we have here beginning in 1998 when bill clinton got into so much trouble, polling starteg separaut the president's personal job approval from his work job approval, remember? clinton's numbers went way down on his personal job and stayed there, but his work job approval was high.s thise track to re-election

for trump if there is a track to re-election for trump and if the tions were convinced that the news is good and trump's character has nothing to do with whether or not he is managing ffectively the will have a case to make for his re-election and that requires them to say i don't want to talk about any of this. final point. >> when it comes to impeachment, justisten to jerry nadler, the chief democrat on the judiciary committee and they have to say point-blank, we need more bipartisan support. we've seen it with niksxon and clinton. >> which means they're not going to impeachment until they have evidenceo impeachment. a progressive, and a candidate bbetter positioned toeat president trump? that and more on the 2020 race

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state governor jay inslee who got into the race and tomorrow it will be john hickenlooper officially announcing. so whoever wins the democratic nomination will face a president with a loyal andesient base of support. in our latest nbc news/wall street journal poll taken, he stood at 46%, the second highest showing since he was president and 52% disapproving and he'on the higher end of what's been a trading range in the low to mid-40s. last month we had him at 43% with 54% di ipproving. sothat good enough for re-election? joining me now are our gurus, the nbc news/wall street journal pollg partners. let me put up generic ballot, always, we know and it's just a generic ballot, but a generic democrat has 48. president trump has

bill mcinter, is that a yellow, flashing yellow light or red light? >> it's a yellow light, you're behind and so is bill clinton in the nbc news/wall street journal poll. the other thing you remember, last monthhat was a minus 14 down to this minus sen a year ago and it was minus 16 and it's getting closer and i think that that's a good and positive thing for the president. >> flashing yellow light, but that also means he has to do everything to win it and it may not be enough, and one of the hallmarks of the trump presidency is he really hasn't expanded h support beyond the base of people who elected him in 16, andyes, he did win the electoral college, but he only got 46% of the popular vote, and then in a two-person race which we stillay have, 46% doesn't probably win you the presidency. >> it's interesting then.

what dora dem want? this is one of the questions we asked here which is among teimary , they want someone that's closer to their views and someone who hasbehe chance to beat donald ump. 56-40. a majority want someone closer to their views. believe it or not, ur years ago, nearly 80% wanted someone bit more pure while pen20% were the pragmatic wing. does that surprise you? >> no. this is president trump enormous democrat intensity against him. if you showed th republic numbers four years ago or eight years ago about obama they looked just like that. 40% want to beat obama and jority i wantomeone in my views and primary voters and both parties are idead logs they want to see someone they're excited about. >> bill would say it of the time. republicans aren't looking for the mos electable. they're looking for the most electable conservative. is that what they're looking for? not necessaroy the

electable purely, but the most electable progressive. >> i think from other polling data, and i would have to say that's a fair charwoterization. d also say that it's not just a binary choice with so ny different candidates running on the democratic side anden e if you're taking the progressive issue, there are so many different progressive issues a candidate can try to get a hold of.op so many and one important thing, there will be one more super bowl before is a vote. there is a long time to go. >> i want to say there was a headline that to me was better than pulling up the poll number and a week of divisiveness and bo parties, and he said democrats, his headline, democrats are having a bad week and howard schulz is having a good one. >> howard schultz thinks that's his opening and they think they'll go with as sand like and trump is over here with his

committed base and is this a week that's reminder that democrats can give an opening to schultz? >> there is so much time left. because there isn't a nominee that coalesces and we'll have different groups, you know, different issues sectors fighng for influence, but in our poll, whether you wanted to trump more or you wanted someone who is closer to his issues, nine out of ten were voting for donald trump against democrats. i think our party comes tr.ether next y >> there is a poll number from nbc, wall street journal. 38% say they want a third party and iat's the highest a 16-year track. so obviously, a country wre ess what? since 1989, democrats have become more liberal and all-time record and republicans have become all-time recordnd more moderate and there is certainly an impulse in the middle of the country that sees some otheren option bethe two parties. >> it's funny

way. put it that >> i want you to put you guys a bit on the spot here. prident trump is you've be honest and truthful on the russian investigation and we had it splitp byhere people get their news on television on the cable front. >> well, let methut it up here. president had been truthful or honest on russia. among fox viewers, 84% ofox viewers until the president has been truthful amongn viewers and cnn viewers, that's 1%. these are small samples and we can debate that, but that does major.u something what does it is a to you, fred? >> it tells us that you get your reality from what channel you watch. >> what does that mean for how this -- does thatan that the michael cohen hearing while as significant as it was,bill, as far as maybe the legal case and everything that we'r worried about here that the country's made up their mind or that thea parthave made up their mind? >> i hate to say this since you do a weekly bshow, one of the main things you know as a

pollster is, please, our country comes to a steady stated it's very hard to change. all of the russia news and all the he korea and all o stuff, i think we can do the same survey and the numbers wwil hin a point of each other, and you just have to in somee ways ign everything that happens and look at longer term trends and the longer term trend is the country sort of said they've sort of decided what they think about russia and until there's a heck of a lot more fact. >> right. >> this country is nowhere ne where it needs to be. >> like cooper said in the previous segment, i think most partisans have dheided what truth is right now and that's in terms of the cohen and mueller report, we'll have to see what actually happens in the mueller report for people to have a reaction to the mueller report. >> there is a group of people that ignore social media all week long. both pollsters, thank you very much. later in the broad cast, the

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democrats looking for or not looking for in a presidential candidate? the answer may come in our new nbc news/wall street journal poll. this month we a voters about certain kinds of characteristics that would make themus enstic or comfortable and what characteristics would make them have some reservations or uncomfortable about a certain candidate? we'll do other characterist beings next month and throughout this election season. across the board democrats were enthusiastic or comfortable with a candidate who is african-american, a woman at cand a white male, someone gay or lesbian. on the flip side only 33% of democrats were comfortable with someone over the age of 75 as their nominee and only 45% were mfortable with a potenti socialist president. i can think of a few democrats runningrorident or thinking about it that fit one or two of those descrattions. demoare in line with voters overall on thoseti qus. so where are the splits between democrats and everyone else? 67% of democrats would be

enthusiastic or comfortable with a muslim prident compared to just 49% overall. only 37%of democrats are okay with an evangelical christian versus54% overall and only 31% of democrats want to see a business executive, and i wonder what that's about. overall, that number is 56%. lookas we get further into this process, keep close attention to what democrats and the country overidl have they don't want someone over 75 and they don't want sialist. we'll be testing other characteristics like people who are hispac and an asian-american president, woman of color, military leaders and yes, billionaires. they'll be coming to a data download near you. when we come back, what the president said about thedeath of student otto warmbier. is he really taking kim jong-un at his word? >> coming up, "endgame," brought to you by boeing, continuing ouo mission connect, protect, explore and inspire. people are fighting type 2 diabetes

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away talks could be a good thing. so let's put that aside, but it was e otto warmbier stuff that really sort of left a horrible taste in the mouth of a lot of people. here s the president on thursday talking about otto warmbier, the now deceased student who died essentially in the hands of the north korean govern t government. re is the president on said this in hanoi. >> i don't believe that he would have allowed that to happen. it just wasn't to his advantage to allow that to happen. he tells me he didn't knownd abt it i will take him at his word. >> here's the president yesterday trying to explain those commen. >> i'm in such a horribleau position b in one way i have to negotiate. in the other way i love mr. and mrs. warmbier and i love otto. a lot of what i do with respt to north korea and any success that we hopefully have, and

we've had a lot we're given no credit. >> we have beerirespectful the summit process. kim and his evil regime aree responsir the death of our son otto and responsible forue y and inhumanity and no praise can change that. you know, helene, it puts a spotlight on human rights is just not part of this president's foreign policy. >> it's not part his dna, and i think that's -- that's unfortunate. i was so y prepared, know, i think overall trump in vietnam on this north korea summit did okay. there was a lot of fear before he went that he was going to again, at e pentagon in particular they were terrified that he was going to talk about pulling troops out of south korea, that he could put any number of things on the table. he did not. his noh korea policy, if you take out all of the tweets and if you take out all of the

flammatory staples an inflammatory statements and rocket man is sound and a lot of people buy in that national security experts and he does this otto warmbier statement which is skcompletely preposters and it sound familiar to him standing in helsinki talking about the american intel community and he a talkedut vladimir putin who had nothing to do with interfering with the americanlections and of course, he believes them and he believes mds on khashoggi and one after another. one thing you have to do as an autocrat is have a conversation with him and he is quick to, yos know, there a level of -- of understa oing, of kithe personal pain that he might be inflicting that doesn't seem to be there. >> there was a time on the conservative side of the american political divide when the republican party in particular was -- was split between people whoelved in fighting a moral foreign policy

in which youked about the west values versus saying the soviet union's and r humanhts and pushing for human rights and the other side of the right which was a rail policy right, and yo have to deal with the world as it is. nd you e a fanticist have to deal with the bad guys and you take them as they are. the rail politickers would never -- this was a real fight they would never have gone out and said that the russians didn't know that they were orturing andre sokerov or throwing people in the gulog. these were tough people, real avpeople and you to deal with them in a cold eyeio fa trump has completely obliterated this, so he goes and says nic things about evil people which doesn't help unless you believe that flattering th, flattering people who are beyond the reach of flattery, i would imagine is

the way to get them to do what you want. >> that's what works with trump. >> right. >> ifattery works with him he assumes flattery works with others. >> to john's point, we a politique and that is how he's talked about muhammad bin salman. was taken strategically because if you look at the timing of it, it was three days before kim jong-un was about to test a missile for the first time in three years. this is a well-known the koreans which is -- north koreans which is sategic hostage taking. count this as yet another time where this president is not just trying to butter up dictators and strong men, but doing it defiance of our own intelligence. >> presidencies, take on the personalities of the president always, and i agree to

something. there is nothing herently wrong with walking away from a negotiation. bli don't think that's a p and this is going to sound harsh and this is a presidency entirely without empathy because he emsto be for all appearances, a person who is entirely without empathy. whatever his strong suits or weak suits, he does not have the ability to feel personally and deeply the suffering of others. he never exhibits that, and i think that's what cohen was getting ain his testimony and it's what comes across in moments like this in north korea. >> david brook, the theme of hio column, didn't love donald trump when he was a kid? that's all for today. thank you for watching we'll be back next week because if it's sunday it's "meet the press. ♪ ♪

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