this sunday on the campaign trail. beto o'rourke is running. >> i am running to serve you as the next president of the united states. >> hsdraws throng of voters, lots of supporters and few specifics. >> if you have all of the answer why show up? >> but in iowa, the texas democrat told me what sets him apart. >> there's one candidate that can talk about the impact that immigrants have had on our safety and se>>urity. and my one-on-one with senator amy o klobuchar her campaign. >> i wasn't born to run. but i'm running. >> on whether she's a progressive. i am a progressive. >> and on bringing down health care costs.

>> pharma thinks they don't washington. e and rst attempts to block the emergency declaration. and mr. trump strikes back. >> congress has the freedom to pass thisresolution. and i have the duty to veto it. >> i'll lk to 1 of the 12 republican senators who voted against the presidenat toomey of pennsylvania. and the terror attack in new zealand. how white supremacy is being driven by a dark, internet e. cult jose diaz-balart. yamiche alcindor. arthur brooks. andsusan page, washington bureau chief of "usa today." welcome to sunday. it'smeet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is

"meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. happy st. patrk's day. the race for the democratic nomination has been going on for some time no but beto o'rourke's announcement on thursday, fairly or not, seemto signal that the starting gun, at least on t campaign part of it, had jnet go off. there were candidacies that matched e frenzy. ted kennedy was theed pres candidate against president announceuntil he three decades later, a first-term senator barack obama rode his announcement enthusiasm all the way to the white house. and a ronald reagan candidacy generated huge excitement, when he lost rd president and when he won in a landslide in 1980. the "vanity fair" cover story has drawn comparison.

the g athlete like reagan. or the light that flame out like john edwards. however o'rourke's candidate begins, it's in full glare of a fascinated media. >> we'll make or break the future in this country. >> in iowa, beto o'rourke is making it official. he's running. after an early morning announcemeru -- >> i'ming to serve you as the next president of the united states. >> -- that glassy "vanity fair" sty saying i'm just born to be in it. and the expected attacks from the president. >> a lot of hand movemen i've never seen such hand movement. >> o'rourke is betting on a national audio tin meunity mess avoiding scifics. >> if you're not going to listen and to learn what is the use of campaigning. he was once for medicaid for

all. >> that's one of the ways to ensure we gent to guanteed, high-quality health care for am every ican. i'm not sure that's the fastest way to get there. >> ande declined to say ift presidump should be impehed. thing o'rourke made clear, he plans to run to the right bernie anders and elizabeth warren on economic issues. he is responding to criticism iowa these comments in about his wife. >> my wife, raising, sometimes with my help, you lulysses and molly and haley not only will i not say that again, but will thoughtful the way i talk about our marriage and the way i acknowledge the trut of the criticism that i have enjoyed white privilege.

money off of o'rourke's acising candid >> the more the merriemerrier. >> do you have a comment beto o'rourke running for president? >> anybody can run. >> and then, joe biden nearly slipped up and declared himself a candidate a bit early. >> i have the most progressiver reco for anybody running for -- t anybodyt would run. >> biden, clearly arguing electability, as democrats decide whether it's ideological transformation, change or simply who can win. >> the most electable progmpssive. >> howtant is the electability to you? >> it's hugye >>erday, i was in waterloo, iowa. good to be back there. and i grabbed a few moments with

o'rourke. his campaign kicked off four months after his loss to senator ted cruz, which was one of his favorite applse lines beca it is one of the best showing h can make because it was the best showing democrat had in an election. >> when i heard you saying, you came up hort. what if you hadn't? would you be inlo wat >> i might be in waterloo. i don't know f i would be waterloo and all of the communities i've been in, running for president. i was runng to serve amy state. and madehe commitment that i was going to serve every one of the six years in public trust. i have an opportunity, now, to do something the country badly needs. i get a chance toofe part something that the country badly needs. that's come together at this very dntided mo.

not just coming together for the sick of it but coming together to achieve the really ambitious goals rsgether. >> you're not the to say i'm going to bring this country together. a democratic president and a lot of people put the hope in andhe thoughas the candidate that would do that. why didn't that happen in obama's eight years? what was hard and why do you think you'll be able to do it? >> i don't know. know that president oba worked incredibly hard to find common ground with republicans and democrats alike. took a message to the entire country. but he was able to achieve a ck of a lot in those eight years. domestically you look at the accordable care act. millions of americans who lead better lives,any of the lives saved because of that legislation. in foreign policy, you prevented iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. and there were little an perhaps, smaller victories along

the way. everyone i met, the most partisanemocrat and hard-core republican, wants to see us get together. they don't want the perfect to become the enemy of the good. if we wait until we are in office to begin this work, will be too late. it has to start now in the way that we camign. >> y admitted that, hey, reu're in a party right now that isn't ined in a white male candidate. and you're a disadvantagin that. and the coverage of your campaign, criticized going on. it's not fair. he's getting coverage that some of the candidates didn't get. u tried to answer some of the criticism. what do you say to it? >> i would never begin saying i am at any disadvantage at all. as a white man, who has had privileges that others could not pend on or take for granted, i've clearly had advantagecoover thse of my life. i think recognizing that and understanding that others have

not, doing everything that there iser hing for the opportunity and possibility for advancement for everyone, is a big part of this campaign and a big part of the people who comprise this campaign. i think this is theest field that we've ever seen in a nominating process. i think the diversity of brou, , backgrouexpertise, that is brought to bear on these problems is exceptional. and i know at tend of the day we'll be on the same team. that's the way i'm going to continue to run. i happen to be the only candidate from the united states/mexico border at a time that that is dominating our impact. and there's one candidate that can talk about the impacts that immigrants had in safety and security. i ran f state-wide office in what was thought to be a red state and th state is in play by some people's estimation.

there's some things, perhaps, to will be different t abos candidate, from the candidacy of others. >> we're going to get a long time. people are trying to get to know who you are. give me three or four book nas you read that would y, if you read those books you will get an idea of how i think. >> "theod sey" is my favorite book of all-time. it's got s manytories within the story. ultimately about homecoming, family and friendship, adventure and struggle and loss. i'm in the middle ofeing "uninhabitable earth," whh clearly describes the consequences of inaction. i'm readingrticles by an economist named derek hamilton, that talks about how wealth is accumulated in this country, that disproportionately favors white households versus black

households and laysut some prescriptions for coming back. and i'm reading a book by joseph campbell about the power of myth and the universality of humanpe ence. it's a great way to escape from the immediate world and get tos thing deeper. at the same time,er furth away. those are a few books. >> thanks. >> i appreciate it. thank yochuck. >> that was former congressman, beto o'rourke, with that quick interview with me in waterloo, iowa. if you're into politics, there was no better place to be in iowa or new hampshire when a presidential race begins. there's no better place to be than iowa, where i sat down with amy klobuchar. we sat down at the screamin' eagle bar angrill. i asked her when she decided tn for president. it was in college. it was not at birth.

>> do you feel to do this? >> that's the beto line. >> it is the beto you brought it up. >> i have a lot of respect for beto. it's great to have some texas in this race. no. i wasn't born to run for office just because growing up in the '70s in the middle of the on country, i think many people thought a girl could be president. i wasn't borto run. but i am running. >> you said during your announcement, we shouldn't wallow over what's wrong. is there anything donald trump's done as president, you know, that wasn't bad? >> well, i am glad he's pushing on venezuela right now. i think that's really important. you have a dictator in place there that's got to go. he has done a number of things he said he wantedto go, like bring down prescription drug prices, which i agree with. he doesn't have the will toet itdone, whether it's the people around him whispering, don't

take on the pharma nicom. or the inability to work with congress on legislation. simple drug prices. we can bring them down. >> you brought up venezuela. what would be your line on a military interception. he's using motorcycle gangs. t's clear people are getting killed there. what point do you think it's a united states proble too? >> right now, it's our problem that we need to push for humanitarian aid. we need to meke s that we're glad we recognize who should be the president here. i'm also glad that we're trying to pusharo out. but the answer here is to make sure that we are working with ouallies, pushing for democracy in some kind of appreciated agreement. the military should be on the table but i don't seee that w use it now. >> general stanley mcchrystal

asks a question he does in job interviews. it's this -- what would someone who does not like you say about you? >> i think you heard some of somee might say i can be eo. too tough and i push things too hard. that's a fair criticism. but i do it for a reason and i do it because i want to have high expectations for myself and for the people around me and fo our country. and i think those expectations have fallen in the last few years. and we need to get them to whe place america is again, the beacon of democracy in a countryhat can be respected along the world. and in our nation. >> how important do you think it is for the democratic party to sndominate somebody that a white male? >> i don't think there should be one litmus test. but our ticket should reflect the country.

and i ke to say, may the best woman win. >> the majority of the democratic party is female, not male. is that the case? >> for the country, a womanan rela well represent men. and what bothers me is people't that dhink that. in my own state, i have won wit men and i've won with men. i've won every congressional district, including michele bachma bachmann's. i am proud to be a woman candidate. going where it's comfortable and uncomfortable. when you look at 2018, we have a road map. a number ofincredible women won, including ewtwo, congresswomen in iowa, including the new gornor of kansas, laura kelly. >> presidents have a lot of t thiny promise when they run. we're talking about various issues. the reality is, the first issue you ck the first issue you

pick is the best chance you have to get passed ngd everyt else decreases. what is number oneyo i mind that you know, it will be the hardest thing to do, health care was obama's, what is yours? >> bringing dow health care costs with much-needed changes act.he affordable care that would be pharmaceutical prices. i have been on this for over a decade. neither during democratic or republican administrations but e haven't had decreases. they don't ownme. this would be to negotiate lower prices under medicare, less expensive drugs from canada, stopping the delay process with senatora ley. i would also on day one, put us rnational the in climate change agreement. >> let me go to health care. i heardou say this before, you'd love medicare for all, but

you have to yo wh think you can do. sounds like you're the candidate of obamacare. and it sounds like you believe, make obamacare work first. >> i believe in bringing out universal health care to all americans. >> you want to use the structure of obamacare? >> yes, i do. and the fastestay to g there is with the public option. you can do it with medicate and medicare. i would get that done in the first year as thpresident. e's no reason we can't do that, as well as immediately using cost-sharing thingsn iowa. >> what do you tell folks who say, obamacare is not the answer. go to medicare for all? what do you tellhem? >> we tell them we had major successes onhe affordable care act. we have stopped people from being thrown off their insurance opinion pre-existing condition. >> and finally,here's

apparently going toere another cotion in the republicanic party for reparation for descendants of slaves. where do you wham docome down o? >> we have to help the communities that have been affeed by racism. what we can do is invest in the communities. acknowledge what's happened. that mean better that means for our whole economy, community college, one-year degrees. minimum wage.r child making sure that we have that hared dream of opportunity for all americans. and i'll tell you this, we may look different. we may pray different. but we all have that shared dream of america. and that is not being sent to many cmunities rightow in this country. and it is hurting, not just them, it isr hurting whole country. >> is a reparations debate a good debate? or is it one that can getn ta out of context?

>> i think tease debates are good to have. it's good to have a debate on can nvironment now, so we make the case, you know what? economically, when your home insurance goes u by 50%, we have a problem. we have an economic probable on lim climate change. coming have the weather down from mississippi and this is happening and you have hurricanes battering florida and wildfires incolorado and california, these are debates we have to have. we have to have aat d on race, yes. but i'm tired of admiring the problem. let's get the solutions in place. at's what's cool about the fact that we have leadership in the house that's finally pushing through ethics bills, trying to get the dark money out of politics. we'rin a different place after 2018. it will be proposals passing one house being squashed down by donald trump. this is our moment to get it done in 2020.

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welcome back. jose diaz belard. susan page, of "usa today." and arthu books, the author of "love your enemies." od luck with that. >> thank you. let's start today. >> i want to sta with you with beto o'rourke. >> right. >> in some ways, you and ipent a lot of time this week, about your book. and he is trying to be an upsefting mer. you try to be an uplifting me messenger from aonservative point of view. he's a lot of optimism, but you sense there there? >> it's hard to say. he's ascertained that america does not want another player in the geoutindustrial complex. he knows for a democrld to be

dorump, you have to be nice, normal and not weird. that's what he is trying to do. he has to back pedal and i have to be out of town. ogd now, he has to back pedal and ape for it. that's a mistake for him to do that. i believe tat the brand of being normal and nice with be incredcly ssful, not to be outraged, not to fire people up in the way theyhate others and treat others with contempt. so far, so good. he has to have substance going >> there's another challenge, under the unbearable male privilege of beto o'rourke. it's not news that women have to be at least twice as qualified and still exist twice as much criticism and doubt. for democrats and as the current presidency lustrates, we have a bias of newness, conflict and

theater. the contrast between beto and klobuchar and the ways thet re going abthis, this is emblematic. >> pretty markable. amy klobuchar could not have thought about herself as beingo borne president. when she was born, wim could not aspireo be president. and we haven't had a woman as president, even today. that's a message that may persist with some little girls. of course, she doesn't cometh that sort of confidence about rsr role in the world. she of sen terrorist im, and pragmatic views. let's bring down health care costs. let's heal the nation. those are different approaches to presidential politics. >> i was thinking about your exchge, though,ith senator sloeb char, when youer asked about reparations. instead of a of the qualities,

she pivoted to climate change and talking to all americans that's a message that should be mod by ats. the democratic party, especially the base, is hungry to say, i know things aren't equal. i'm going the look at this boat here and sa african-americans have particular problems that stem from slavery. let's look at them where we can look at things not just as all people. and beto wiave issues when it comes to people receiving him party.s we're looking at the candidates with 2019 eyes. we're looking and saying, you have your wife in this three-minute video. why can't you speak? if the wife is going to be there, have her say something. some might be saying being too politically correct, and beto has to navigate that. >> and he gets the "vanity fair"

cover. he's oner every cf magazines. why is that? why is it that meone is chosen to be the poster person for what hot and interesting at the time? why is it that people who have deepou ts and klobuchar had some very interesting policyti pos. talking about venezuela, by the way, going on right now. it's a crisis we mustal with. it is the flavor of the month. why is it? >> he's attractive. i mean, the trutof the matter, he is somebody that the people want to look at. the same way that people a lk about alexandr ocasio cort cortez. >> and you think, is john edwards or ronald reagan? ronald reagan was good-looking and fresh and intereing. he had a lot of specific policy

proposals that he had developed over decades of thinking about them. day one, beton' o'rourke do know what he thinks about medicare for all. on day 50, he better. >> that's why i think w sre going a vetting of that. people will look at beto and say, why is he getting that coverage? why does he get to say that he'c not y sure of things and gets to go on this tour where he thinks abouthimself? i would say that casey abams, someoneho hasn't announced with 2020, saying i'mth dealing he after-effects of running for governor and losing. i think people a okay with that from a black woman. >> there is another -- you broughtp acyey abrams. she's clearly leaning more into esa pential perhaps than many people realize. let me play that clip from joe biden last night.

forget the accidental slip-up. listen to theat fist part of he said. >> get criticized by the new left, i have the mos progressive record of anybody running for the -- anybody who would run. >> it was a very important not the second part. the first part. susan page, he's going to runthn obama/biden record and say, whatever you want tosa that's the new standard-bearer for progressivis i did it. he's running his third term. can you look back and b the candidate of the future? >> historically, no.th historically's a really hard think to do. and joe biden has a problem, too. he had a long history in public office, iluding some aspects of his career in a do not represent the most progressive partsth oamerican government. he's going to be challenged on where does he stand? and where does he oustand, as

say, looking forward, not looking back. either with eight yes of the obama/biden administration, the years before that. >> can he handle six months of iowans kicking the tires on other candidates, while his support goes down? like, we're here f biden. but he has to go through others. >> i'm waiting for anita hill interview. i'm waiting for the person who talks about integration. the name recognition is why he is at th top of t ticket. i think there's a vetting. >> i'm looking forward to the debate that nbc and telemundo pull together. >> his key strength is going be when he says, he's a uniter, not a divider.

the new left. they're a bunch of kwid divide divider that people.g to whip up >> that's an important message mp was sending to the party. president took not one, not two, but three hits from congress this week. i'm going to talk to senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> i'm more concerned about health care, number one. two, something that peopleng aren't tal about, the public education. that's huge. issues.ave real we have challenges. this is the most diverse city in a state per capita. >> education. health care. civil us as people. they see us as profits. we're paying the highest prescription drug prices in the world so they can make billions? americans shouldn't have to choose between buying medication and buying food for our families.

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journalist. and 12 republicans joined 47at demo to reject his energy declaration. president trump made his first veto of his presidency. there's not enough votes to override it. this is likely the end of the prdebate. the e court comes next. joining me now the one of the inst licans who voted a the president, senate every pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> good morning, chuck. >> i feel like you and your11 othe republicans that voted with the democrs on this, trying to send the president a message about the constitution, a message about article oneve us article two. he did not hear that version of the president was almost gleeful vetoing it. is that disappointing that he didn't hear your constitutional argument? >> the president came to different conclusion about the constitution and the law, as ddt

three-quarters of my republican colleagues. >> do you think theyat mean t or they voted that way? >> i don't question the motives. i look at what people do. you're right, this was never about the wall. i'm pretty sure the republicans that voted in favor of disapproing the energy declaration. if we did have the votes to override t president's veto, the president would be able to build the wall. what's importanthe is source he uses to fund that. t should be a combination of sources, that congress has approved of, not dubious basis. for met was about the separation of powers. that's an important issue. >> do you hope the supreme court takes this up? and which part -- how do you want them to look at this? do you want them to look at the appropriations aspect ofit?

or the legislative disapproval of the emergency? >> i might have an outlier and nuanced view. i'm not su it's an illegal act. i think it's a strained argument but alausible argument for the legality of what the president did. there's a plausible argument for the constitutionalal. what we voted on on thursday, was no a question if the president has broken a lot. we voted on whether we approve of what he did. i approveor ofr wall construction. i don't approve on the way he's funding iit. voted to disapprove the declaration. the s courts mige with him. >> you don't know for sure if this is unconstitutional. this is the first time thege emy act was used to essentially -- to overturn a rejection of a funding proposal to refund it that's something that had never been done before in the

emergency act. >> i totally agree. that's why itinas ppropriate, i think. that's why i voted as i did. courts are reluctant a call on what's an emergency. and congress did delegate authority to the president. so sh so >> is it time to redo the emergency act? >> absolutely. >> do yount that the 30-day -- >> yeah. p it's the other way. congress doesn't f the other way, essentially? >> yeah. you're absolutely right. >> i think for decades now, congress has beenng transfer too much constitutional authority from the legislative branch to theexecutive. that's bad for a respective democracy, for a republic such as ours. this is one area we should reclai the legislative

responsibility that we have in this regard. we delegated this authorityid t the prt. you know, initially, that delegation of authority, the natial emergency act, includedio congrel-only veto power. that was struck down. equiring assent before a declaration can go forward. i fully support that. interesting to see what our democratic colleagues do, chuck. they're happy to poke president trump in the eye. will they join us to make sure h it neverpens again? >> a lot of your republican olleagues said a lot of rhetoric about barack obama and executive power. >> right. you can make the argument, president trump is wupushing th limits even further. when do you realize we are in a bad place here?e >> we in a bad place. i don't think president trp

pushed it forward. i think obama did it further. the daca and dapa. i was very critical of that. and that's why i think republicans should stand up. and if the presidentets into a gray area or uses legislation in a way that congress didn't intend. i am hoping those of us that are consistent about that, that we restoere some of the authority where congress belongs. >> i want to ask about what happened in new nd. i wanter to ask about in of rhetor rhetoric. the president offered condolences to the people of new zealand. and her answer was, can you say tter things about muslim communities around the world. when theer president uses the invad invaders, does that dehumanize to the point where it can get misused? it's not healthy for anybody,

for crazy people to be citing our president of the unieid states in manifestoed. >> i often disagree with what the president has said and h wh tweeted. but it's a long way to attribute a real link between what the president might say and tweet and the extraordinary type of madness that leads someone to massacre people in large numbers, whether it's in pittsburgh at a synagogue or in insist dnew zealansisnew zealan. >> this person is fired up on the dark corners of the te et. let's be honest. if this person had used nbc's airwaves or comcast equipment to push out thatmafesto and lling, the world of hurt would be brought down on us by the fcc. there are regulators out there. these internet companies have done nothing about this.

they wait until after the fact. do we need do something to treat the companies as media companies? that facebook would be held ass sible as any broadcast media company would? >> it's ambig,rtant discussion, chuck. i don't know where we come down on this. these companies are aggregators. they don't have their ownews departments. they don't have their own editorial boards. they're providing a platform. d i't think there's an obvious or easy answer. >> senator to ley, i willve it there. senator of pennsylvania, thank for sharing your views. when we come back, cillennials are much more open to sism than older vot ws. ande may have figured outg one reason why that is these one reason why that is these days.

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back now with "end game i wasn't -- we're sort of out of the trump tweet business but my word, the last 48 hours, he seems to be on another level of agitation. every conspiracy theory he n think of on mueller and all this stuff, and now, angrily attacking john mccain again. or thundershower, your book is enemies.r what do you tell to meghan mccain? what do you tell to people when

he's sitting here, just angrily and mean-spirited way continues to sully thiman? >> he's on the wrong side of ca where most ame are. 93% of americans hate how divided we've become as a money. one in six members hav stopped talking to a family member because of politics. that's not a mainstream point of view. >> donald trump -- this is him. >> i got it. that's how he works. but the point of fact, that's an opportunitfor all of us with a public platform and all aspiring politicians, and people on college campuses start a newmo ment and starts with themselves. they don't want this pay tread a hatred. >> social media has made people m maximumists. i must not disagree with you, i must destroyse you bec you think differently than i do.

to ll have a responsibility tone that down. >> we have an opportunity. here's the key thing. we're unhappy because of this. we have an opportunity to be happy as people by acting in a different way. >> the person w resides in the white house cannot help himself. he has built his brand and succeeded by being mean and attacking people. in john mccain's case, the fact thatlye is re angry at him, angry at his legacy and angry that he's probably thinkin about th amazing funeral he had and all of the people who are saying about how he was a hero and how he was a symbol of i erica in the best of his country. ink that the president just can't help himself when he looks on "snl" and sees people ridiculing him. i want to vent and be angry. >> it tells us something particular, which is how concerned donald trump is about the this sparks the tweet that goes back to the steele n'ossier. i think it's his dislike

for john mccain. i think it's the perils that are ahead, perhaps very soon. >> wordsmatter. speaking of words, here's the president being asked about the issue of white supremacy and the mass murder in new zealand. >> did you see today, white natialists are a rising threat around the world? >> i don't, really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. >> but the real issue may be what's happening on the dark internet. "the neo bring up with york times" highlighted on saturday. online extremism is regular extremism on steroids. there's no offline equivalent. the internet is now the place where the seeds of extremism are planted and waters, where platform incentives send people

toward the ideological poles. and people can feed and hate off of each other. we work with new zealand to worry about extremism with radical islamist followers. it sounds like we need a white nationalism database and work with our aies on this. >> the idea is that the president had this opportunity to denounce white naonalism. i was mentioned in the manifesto and it was disgusting. he said, it's a problem but not as big as people are making it out to be. i was talking to white houses offici just this morning who say they think the president was coemning this act and people should take it as condemning white nationalism. there can be programs done into white nationalism because we know it's a thing. >> we have two who cite norway. this is the dark web, susan. you brought it up,jose. >> it's not just the white

nationalists. lookt all of the assassins, the terrorists, in san bernadino, in pittsburgh, in brazil this eyweek. e all basing it on others who they found on the internet to have the same thoug s and concepts. >> this is not just the dark web. you saw james hodge kkinnison. he was ading mainstream political content that was othering and deviant. saying people are evil and stupid on the other side. for us, it might whip us up into a frenzy. that's a big problem. that's our responsibility is people in public life. >> as somebody said, when facebook worried about a child pornography issue being spread different ways, they found a way to fix the algorithm to deal with it. they can do something about it, they choose t to. >> we are just beginning to

understand how this works out. they affect the debate in ways we are just beginning to try to figure out. and it's changing attitudes toward the social media companies. there was a time when government regulation of social media companies were -- >> tax-freeer it. >> that day is over. the social media companies are being held to aevel of responsibility. that's going to involve new forms of government legislation. >> we should be looking into this. s uld being looing at white nationalists and what they do with it. all of us have a responsibility to talk about the importance. >> we can fix it. talking about the big problem, which isanonymity on the internet. >> all of us can do more. >> you have to have th will to do this from the federal government. the president right now does not seem like he has the will to do this. >> true. >> and then, senator toomey telling you, when you ask that smtt question, w should we

do with the social media companies. he says, i'm not really re. >> the concept, it's us against them. we're better than ou. we don'tlaassi. all this is what we are doing to mitigate this >> and they can deal with the level of ananonymity. >> this has to be the last comment. i have 15 seconds to say this. that's all we have for day. thank you for watching. enjoy not too much green beer but ju enough. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."