fight. president trump ups the stakes saying he may release migrants to sanctuary cities. >> they always say they have open arms. let's e if they have open arms. >> taunting states like california that oppose his immigration policy. >> we can give them anim unlited supply. >> and reportedly urging homeland security to close the boer even a he publicly said he wouldn't. >> it's just another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united states. >> plus, spy games. when attorney general bill barr makes this claim without offering eviden - >> you are not suggesting though that spying occurred? >> spying did ocr, yes, i think spying did >>occur. e pleases his new boss.

>> i think what he said was absolutely true. there was absolutely spying into my campaign. >> and infuriates somerc law enent professionals. >> i really don't know what he is talking about when he talks about spying on the campaign. >> and democrats. >> when barr opened hiso mhs, trump's words same tumbling out. >> my guest white house counselor kellyanne conway. also, the candidate confronting climate change. >> this is our moment to put the greatest threat to our existence at the very top of the nation's agenda. >> this morning i'll democratic presidential hopeful governor jay inslee of. washingt joining me for inside and analysis are nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt,n "washin post" column anonymous eugene robinson, daniel let ka and "new york times" column anonymous david brooks. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." ng announcer: from nbc news in

washington, the t running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. when donald trump waslected many people expected or hoped perhaps that the presidency woulchange him. it didn't. instead, he is changing the presidency. two examples this week of mr. trump flouting convention. one, unhappy his first attorney general jeff sessions did not protect himll from the m investigation. mr. trump fired him and replaced himith bill barr, wednesday gave him what sessions never would. russian y on the interference investigation that his campaign had been, quote, spied on. two, unhappy that the department of homeland security has often resisted his get tough and sometimes illegal border proposals, mr. trumpacked dhs's leadership, axing four top officials, then said he was consideringgr sending mts at the border to so-called sanctuary citi where his immigration policies are most unpopular. what is clear is mr. trump is

trying to change his presidency and reshape it in his own image. what is less clear, if he wants onto change the situa the border or leverage it for his rwn political gain. >> binging out what's happening with our border. >> reporter: for president trump an asylum crisis on the southern border has become a political opportunity. >> i think thatey are greg to pay a very big price in 2020 for all the things, whethere it's fake witch hunt they start up or whether it's a situation like this >> reporter: month, dominated by the fight over how much of rbert mueller's report will be released the public, the president has leaned into theer bo crisis. friday he tweeted, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing illegal immigration inti sanctuy only. >> they want more people in their sanctuary cities, well,we l give them more people. we can give them a lot. we can give them an unlimited supply. let's see if they are happy. >> reporter: the represident's came hours after administration officials said the plan was rejected back in

february because it was, in the wos of one former official, so illegal. it sent just another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united states and disrespectful of the challenges that we face a country, as a people to address who we are, a nation of . immigran >> reporter: the number of apprehensions on the southern border hit a 12 year high in march dominated by families. over 53,000 parents and atildren. immin courts have a backlog of 800,000 cases. each one takes an average of 700 days tooc s. instead of dressing t addressin problem -- >> it doesn't rk and, frankly, we should get rid of judges. >> reporter: this week those attacks got a rare public rebuke from a federal judge. >> whenns politic attack the courts it's ngous, political, and guilty ofre eggious overreach. you can hear the it across the

south. >> reporter: the state department announced it would be ending foreign aid to the three central american countries where most of these immiants come from. this week mr. trump fired his i.c.e. director and homeland security secretary. >> frankly, there is only one person that'sun rng it. you know who that is? it's me. >> reporter: the firings are the latest departures from a government the president is molding in his own image. >> i'm concerned. 'm concerned of a growing void of leadership within the department of homeland security. >> reporter: according to the new york sometimes, last week mr. tru urged kevin mcaleenan now acting secretary of homeland security to close the border entirely. >> we're full. >> rorter: and on tuesday trump's national security advisors gathered at the white hothe to discuss whethe military could be used to build tent city detention camps for migrants. >> i'm going to have to call up more military. but our military, don'tr t, can't act like a military would act because if they got little rough, everybody would go crazy.

>> and joining me now counselor to president trump kellyanne conway. miss conway, t welcome back "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> i want to start with this crisis at the southern border in this respect. does the president see this as an immigration crisis or as a refugee crisis where we are an asylum system, is underresourced,tr ovesed, overtaxed due to what is a central american ref crisis. >> thanks for acknowledging it is a crisis. not so long o we had members of the main dream media and democratic party denying that word should be used. no less a anrson president obama's homeland security director, secretary, excuse me, jeh johnson, has referred to as a crisis several times.t you can't look the numbers and deny that we have a crisis. in our view it's a security crisis and a humanitarian crisis. we have 103,000 migrants either being apprehended or unable toth come acros border just last

month alone, and the flow is so different. for years it was single males from mexico c whold be returned safely to their country of origin. now have families, increasingly family from tse three companies and unaccompanied children. can you and i assure each othery and edy who is watching today we know what happens to the minors once they are released into this country? congress can fix this easily. all the timeth they spend reacting to every single donald trump tweet or the president's statements, they can sit down and do three things. they can fix tv pra, which is a trafficking victims act where it mes a magnet for young children to be taken by the arm by an adult and they know it's easier to come here. number two, fix flores. it's a judicial decision that's holding hostage our ability as a nation to have a little bit more time to process the asylum claims. after r 20 days we muease children into the interior of

this country. number three, fix the asylum law so those wholly have a credible claim of asylum can have that processaster. we just have too many people. and that's why the president is looking forre more money, resources, more technology, and help from some ofhese cities. everything you have said, i have not heard from the president. you have said he is not -- >> i'm here on his behalf. >> i understand that. he said he wants to get rid of asylum law, get rid of judges. >> that's not -- we just had new judges in our package. 75 new immigration judges. >> he said get rid of the judges. >> the president is saying let't having one or two judges in this country make immigration law for the entire country. that's's congress's job. >> i'm not talking about the federal judges. tm talking ab immigration judges to deal with the asylum backlog. he wanted to get -- that is the implication, saying get ri of those judges. does he not want to have asylum judges? >> we need more.

in fact his 70-point immigration pla plan he presented to congress in october of017 includes more judges. i believe even what congress is willing to pass or did pss cluded 75 new immigration judges and all the support that would go with that. the support aff and the like, in addition to new technologies at the border. or that, who slovote ose who voted for hr 6, the largest one piece of legislation to combat the drug crisis, evny democrat the house voted for it. they a crisis at the border. that's where the meth, cocaine, fentanyl are pouring over we have an unserious congress not coming to the table. the republicans failed to do their job when they were in a char the democrats are failing to come together in the house. >> how is the president playi a constructive role? he this is david french this has to do with how his critics respond to him. you talkedbout the tweets.

they are not alarmed. they mock him. his threws andts undermine his ability to make the deals he needs to make. he is testing the political utility of the opposite of teddy roosevelt'sadmonition, speak softly and carry a big stick. let's look at what the last four months have given us. shut down the government, national energy, shut the to er, sending migrants sanctuary city. we want to sit down, solve this, the president doesn't sound like somebody who wants to solve the crisis. >> for him it's everything you just sai he asked for congress to do everything from end the vysa lotterym to chain migration. he was willing to do a deal am the ds. it's false when everybody says there was $25 billion on the table by the de but the president walked away. that was allocated not appropriated and they know it. in addition to th, the president has looked at many differentmi options. stratively from the executive branch of the government we have done a great deal of work.

need theegislature to step in and we need the courts to do something like the did on friday, chuck, which is at least give us some latitude on this remain i mexico policy. so many of the liberals want the illegal immigrants to remain in america. why not remain in mexico while your climbs of asylum are being this is something that our secretaries, cabinet and the president brokered with mexico. it's safe passage for those naccompanied minors to remain in mexico while their claims of asylum are being processed. but i think, look -- >> but how is -- >> this week, you know, respectfully, from the other side you have this anti-semitic congre congresswoman -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. no, no,o i know what you are trying to do here. the president is trying to brow beat democrats. the president is trying to brow beat them to come over. that's no way to get a compromise. mitch mcconnellsaying enough

already. the president keeps -- >> we will meet them this afternoon if they would like to come to the white ho talk about -- the offer stands. the invitation is open. tithey were there several s, the leadership, as you know, to avert a governmeth shutdown and during it. all on this issue. >> it's his way or the highway. he never is sitting here saying -- >>disagree. >> okay. what part of shutting down the government, i'll dothis, that's not how anybody would be coerced to saying, yeah, let's sit down and see if we can come and reach common ground. >> they are willing -- they are welcome tollome. i tell you the problem sofrs caucus did come. there is a great frustration against the raij ank and file members represent districts that president trump won in 2016, they have beene white house, talked to people like me quietly sayinghehey wish that radical it freshmen who get the magazine covers and all the ink and air itime, guess they are upset with the leadership today though because

overnight oryeerday congresswomanib rashida t tweeted they are tired of being used because the party is diverse, can't get a seat at the table, something it was re-tweeted by ilhan omar. i think there is trouble in pelosi paradise. fix immigration, she can come. >> i want to go back to how the president is perhaps making this -- here is "the new york times." the president's anti-immigrant rhetoric has super charged the ipeline of immigrantsfrom honduras, guatemala, and el salvador. if you ever wanted to go to the united states, they say go now. the president's word they sort of cataclysmic words is shut down the border is being used to encourage more people. by smugglers and coyotes. >> yes.

will somebody tell the presisnt he doing this? will somebody tell the president that his words are encouraging these coyotes to make money off of desperate people? >> the coyotes and smugglers do at anyway. you know that. >> why give them more material? why help them? >> by lying tou people, yow daughters are being pumped with birth control before they come here. we are forced to give them pregnancy tests he know how pair l per laos that journey could be. don't come. it's a treacherous perilous journey. >> do you mow whknow what happe honduras? in 2017, 41% of women and girls killed in honduras showed signs of mutilation, disfigurement and crueltyeyond what was needed to kill them. and in this storyhere was some graphic descriptions that are a thousand times worse that are not appropriate for sunday morning. this is what they're escaping. this is why they

asylum in the united states. how do you turn them away? >> when they present their claims of asylum as they did in pasts administrati those claims are evaluated. they are granted asy for credible asylum claims. what's happening, chuck, is you have those who are claiming asylum and should not be -- back to my point. fix flores, fix tpra and the asylum system so the credible claims can be processed expeditiously and fairly. we need everybody's help. congress cannot turn a blind eye. they are stillssed with the 2016 campaign and investigating it -- >> but cuttingack and presenting himself as somebody that wants to actually make a de? >> he made this a top issue. i guarantee -- >> he talks through the prism of 2020. he doesn't seem to be a guy who wants a solution. >> he is willing to have them come to the table. the president doesn' make the laws, he executes the laws. congress has to give the fix to

flores. they can fix it, fix tpr, the asylum laws. they need to get back to washington, work as hard as the people who they represent work. >> let me ask through a foreign policy pris much. why is the president concerned about the humanitarian crisis in vinz and not honduras and guatemaland a el svador? >> we are. >> we are giving more money to try to help with humanitarian efforts in venezuela and you just cut off aid almost completely to the three, to honduras, guatemala and el salvador sal. >> everybody sees what is happen in vezuela. madu must go. >> i just told you what is happening in honduras. >> it's awful. it is. what's happening here, young girls are coming through, can we say we know who happens to them? we ask like they are released into the interior of the u.s. and theyave a family member or sponsor or way of life and agfety and safe pa

they don't. so many are trafficked. some are murdered. some are --ome are treated -- are mistreated wherever they go. we don't know what happens. should we have a system we who is here and where they are. >> everybody agrees to something like that. let me ask this way. can you treat this sort of as ae temporary likeency? for instance, the president is threatening to ship migrants -- >> yre, thedent -- >> but believe it or not -- i grew up in miami. i'm well awaref this. if he actually asked for help from cities and st cities would say, sure, if you need to temporarily elocate people here to wait for their day with an asylum judge, whon's with that? >> it wasn't a brow beat. it was taken that way -- >> how did he present it? excuse me. they could have come forward and said -- >> i assume they could. >> isn't the point of a sanctuary city toffer sanctuary to illegal.

>> are you asking for mayors to call the white house to say, yes -- >> sure, or they ar welcome to visit. i recently daesed the conference of mayors. i know others from the admithstration have. issue was raised, how can we work on many crises of the isy. immigratione of them. opioids is another one, criminal workforce orm, development. so certainly we want to work lth the nation's mayors. but if youok at a city like philadelphia, you have a mayor there who won't share information with i.c.e. anymore. don't know hat w who is there, why they are there, how long they are there -- >> there is a circular logic. if the president believes we are full, why does he want to help basically create a permanent wop for to stay in america? >> what i'm saying is 1,000 came. these are unprecedented numbers. three months when the president addressed the nation you had a response from leaderchumer and

speaker pelosi said it's a lie that it's a crisis. people like you, jeh johnson, are admitting it is a crisis. what are the solutions? i laid out simple solutions for congress to work on. i think the person roundingor the nomination who comes up with an immigration plan rather than a government takeover health care like medicare, green new deal, that person is going to distinguish themselves because the two front runners for the democrats are the two old white maeer politicians. somebody who comes out with a plan on immigration wants to work wh the president ahead of time and not kick it into 2020 ll prevail. was the president informed in advance of what was going to happen to julian assange. wl >> not to my kge. >> he did not know in advance whatever deal was made u.k. and any of that stuff -- >> i don't know -- sorry. i don't know. that's a state department. the department of justice. the department of justice -- d you don't believe the president was brie advance? >> i don't know and i don't think so. i justant to say one more

thing. having discussed this after the fact several times,e president believes those who publish classified information should not do that. in other words, that goes for -- >> he thinks he should criminalize -- >> no, not saying that. remember, julian aange is not being indicted because he was a journalist. he h same thing with private manning. so anybody who is publishingnf classifiedmation in our view should think thrice before they do that. youer can i folks. it's part of why some of the redactions will come out in the you are protecting sources and methods. protecting grand jury information.d protecting tharties who haven't been indicted. i know they want to embarrass and impeach the president where they couldn't impeach and indict him. e will see what happens wi that >> i will have to leave it there. nice to have you. >> i will see the democrats at the white house later today. >> when weome back -- >> you are not suggesting though that spying occurred?

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theynt wo do something, wants to do a deal. her boss doesn't sound like somebody that wants to dode a . >> we have a magical fantasy land of a president who wants to solve problems. we would vet kids in -- >> we would ask mayors to take in >>kids. e do what any mayor and governor would do. there is a problem. let's fix the oblem. unfortunately, president trump sees every problem as a chance for his ownrm perive narcissism, to show what a man he is. and sos everything becot a songtion. everytust becomes a pose, show business. the upshot is he tried to deter immigration througcruelty, and that has been a miserable failure. that's why we have tt s problem. >>ems as if, and you wonder, boy, when the senate republicans, are they going to get upset, nervous, but the sacking of the entire echelon of the homeland security department -- by the way, the listing of actings that wgohave

g in this administration right now and how many are actually connected to some form of bororr security the border issue, especially at dhs. do you get a sense, you know, with senate republicans like even when mitch mcconnell says we have to have an adult nversation, something is afoot? >> mitch mcconnell said, okay, i'm op this. if anything, that puts a little more heat on democrats to try to come to the table or it's designed to. i think there is an increased o amount nervousness. clearly, the white house wants to do whatever the president wants to do regardless of kind of some of the guardrails that congress has put in place around these questions. it seems like that's a big of the reason why the homeland security secretary in particular .as sack but i think the absolute root of the problem here ist t this president, every time he goes to congress and says i want to solve x problem by doing y thing, whatever y is changes five or six times during the course of the negotiations.

so republicans have learned this lesson several times. democrats then had to learn it again, evee though republicans tried to say, hey, like watch out, this guy is a reliable negotiator. how do you solve the problem if that's thecase? >> would you accept any of the parameters kellyanne conway laid out today? >> you could have that conversationea and make a but not with donald trump. not a president who says let's get rid of judges, you know? as davi said, it is or pemative, it is showing what a tough guy he is. it is not finding solutions to problems. is -- we are a country of 330 million peo,e, you know richest, most powerful country on earth. yes, we can deal with 50,000 families, you know, people on the border. it'snot that big a deal for us to handle that if we choose to handle that, and handle it properly. we have laws that provide f asylum. let's follow the lawe let's build facilities and

put the people in place and let's get it done. >> i'm not sure i agree with you about the fact that we can handle this. i think this is a genuine crisis. that's all the more reason we need to adapt the laws, update, why we need to move ahead with some of the changes that kellyanne conway laid out very normally, i thought. i want to talk about thet. presid i think we reached a turning point in the last week in which fural marketing reality tv guy donald trump actually widened the kchashtw n him and governance. we see an administration eep up ing, running to with him, to execute the increasingly random things that he is saying. that is also a crisis, in my opinion, because if this gets worse, we ine lookg at another year and a half of mismanagement,ac of of

governance and genuine democratic crisis. >> here is the othpart of it, and this was a part of this that i don't -- why take away the money from thetr c american countries? like there is no -- we have no consistency in our foreigncy po what we are doing in venezuela. i mean, it's -- now, there is politica ramifications for venezuela. it's called florida's teectoral >> indeed. chuck, i ink is this about policy or politics? do they really want to solve the crisis? our system has functioned that way. we have solved big problems in the . we don't have the greatest immediate track record. that doesn't mean we couldn't do that. butrust has broken down because the sense is, i mean, why? the best point is, why are you toake that money away when we know that it helps stem the root of the probl if you are the president. it indicates to others this is a political thing for him. >> could we not let the democrats off the hook here on

this one? a lot of saying there is no crisis a they are strangely mute on what to do. the court problem is ttey do know where their base is on immigration. are we zero open borders party? where they don't want to be on the wrongit side of the tr mobs, so lay low, lay low, lay low, or be abstract. >> eugene? >> i don't think it is an open borders position to say, to question the use of the word crisis. maybe you could use that word, could not use that's word. lot of people who are coming in, but we are able to ndle it. you know, this is -- it's not hoards and hoards invading in the way that the preside describes the chair van. a process and is people get to apply for asylum. we can look at the asylum laws if you want to look at that, but we have laws and we ought to follow them. >> there are seven hundred -- 2021 until they get a hearing.

>> this is a crise in every se the word. we shouldn't get into semantics about this. but the president gets -- this is a sanctuary city play. he gets that the democrats are in a very, very inindividualious position here. >> i ahead to do this. the level of distrust you talked aboutt. e level of distrust between congressional democrats and bill eerr now and what does that mean for mueller this are we going to debate more of what's redacted or more of what we s? the trust that democrats have in bill barr is nil. brian shat said in the hearing what you just told us is going to cause everybody to >> everybody freaked out. >> i think there is still a chance that what bill barr presents to us will feel as though it is a complete or semi mostly complete accounting and he could get some forgiveness from moderate democrats, chris coons, for example, on the judiciary committee. if it looks like a bunch of classified material covered in black ink, forget it. >> i they redact all the grand

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welcome back. up next is another candidate from washington. washington state that is. not washington, d.c. there are now15 major candidates who have announced or filed paperwork for the democratic nomination. our list boxes up there does frt include joe biden. separating yoursel that large a field is a challenge. washington governor jay inslee is trying to meet by focusing on one major issu confronting climate change. he is the governor of a state fhat has many sanctuary cities. here is the map it. just the kind of places to whic president tr suggesting sending migrants crossing the u.s./mexican brother. welcome. re thank you. >> let me start bee get to other topics. i know the seattle mayorote an op-ed for "the washingt post" that basically condemned the president's weaponization. he said, fine, send them, take

them. is that your attitude? and should this -- regardless of the president's tone, should this be part of the temporary solution? >> this is yet anothbastic chaos that is simply not going to work for this ineffective president for several reasons. number one, you can'thrten somebody with something they are not afraid of. we are not afraid of diversity in the state of washington. t is the basis of our economi and cultural success. we are built as a state of immigrants. ave welcomed refugees as we did the vietnamese refugees the republican governor back in the day, and we continue to welcome -- that's why was the first governor to say our state was the first to take syrian refugees. the first govern o to co against the muslim ban. we have sued donald trumpnd won 18 times in a row. this is not going to work for hm. we arepy to take refugees and proud of mayor durkan for what she has said. it's simply based on a matter of

these are humans. these are people. >> tell me what you would do right now. look, if you are elecd president, there might be a republican senate, democratic house. a quick legislative fix is not there. tell me what you do right now. >> number one, i would attack climate chang a lot of these people are climate refugees. not all, but a lot of them. the fact that donald trump has waved the white surrender to climate change is wrong. t doesn't deal with the migrants. >> it's clear. we have to be solution based rather than sort of trolling on the internet based. y are solution based, we have got to make the asylum process work. and that means we have to have more channels, more hearing officers to simply be able to cases. these look, you don't change the law just because you got more cases in the federal court system or go get r get riof judges as he ggested. we need more processing f facilities to help these folks. while they are waiting for

gtarings, we welcome them to the state of wash because we have found these folks frequently become till pillars of our comm >> you are going to hear many republicans say democrats are for open borders. if somebody accuses oyou of be for open borders, what would you say? as hat is inaccurat happens very frequently in this business. what i do believe is we need to change ourie pol number one, we have to respond to the american character of a nationbased on immigration. i believe that the spirit of the statue of liberty is aot only in america, but elliott bay in washington state. we shoulhe increase number of refugees we are taking. this is cruel we have reduced er the nu of refugees america stakes at the same time the world is aflame inch climate ge refugees and civil war. and that's why i came out as one of the first to say we wou take syrian refugees. that's one of the things i would do. >> do you think our immigration law should be more restrictive or less restrictive as it stands

right now? our laws of how it become citizen, a resident, should be less or more restrictive? >> number one, given the 11 million plus that are our neigmeors that are of the hardest working people in the country, we need to give them a path to citizenship. we need comprehensive immigration reform. number two, we need to protect our dreamers. the fact that donald trump is holding the dreamers as extortion bait, if you will, is just criminal. these people are in our universities. ey are going to be engineers, business people. we have to find a solution to the dreamers as i have done. i got a college education for our dreamers. three, have an p asylumocess that works, which means we have to have more processing facilities and four, a i have indicated, we have to have an american style of acceetance of ref because we're a humane nation. we ought to have a humane policy. >> you have said this clearly the centerpiece of your candidacy is combatting climate change and everything is a derivative of that. it is a good way to get penple to pay aon to you on day one of your candidacy.

>> right. >> as you know, health care iser the num one issue among many democratic primary voters. for instance, wre do you stand on health care? is it medicare for all ala bernie sanders or obamacare plus? >>hi hopefully, wton state will be the first in the country to offer a public option. we have been one of the most successful in implementing obamacare. when you govern, you don't just y ve speeches. you actuake things work. we have had one of the more successful efforts. we are integrating physical and mental health. then on the federal level we have to have more access to medicare on the road to universal access. i believe we need to reduce the age. i think we need to allow people to opt intoedicare when they want it. and this is the way to what we need and have to have,hichs universal health care in the country. ac you said the word access. use the obe framework and build upon it versus scrapping the whole thing ad starting over? >> yeah. i think we can build by increasing accessibilitcato

me and i believe that will lead to universal health care. i believe that's where we need to go. i think we have to nd way to reduce these drug prices by allowing bargaining for drug prices. >> spevgss one,limate cha pricing carbon. we have seen the yellow vest vement in france. you seem to be -- you have tried to get taxing carbon passed. you seem tbe like the voters have spoken, the people are speaking and taxing pricing carbon isn't the answer. what is the answer? >> there are many answers. what we have learned is the most important renewable fl in this battle against climate change is the fuel of perseverance. o have to at multiple ways of moving forward. so we're moving forward in my state. we wind a $6 billion wind turbine industry, we are electrifying our transportation system. we have one of the highest uses of electric cars and buses. we hope to build an electric ferry boat. we passed a 10 clean

electrical grid where we will ctt have fossilfuels on the grid. so we need -- >> that means you are for nuclear energy. notr everybody is for nucl energy. you are open to nuclear energy? >> open to research and development to find out whether it could be cost effective, could be sae, and could deal with the waste stream. those things would have to be resolved before it would become a part of the mix. i don't think we should shut off options given the uency. we have one chance here. the in the president, one diance. i am the cte who is saying it has to be job one or it won't yt done. >> a running for president to force the democratic party to take this as number one, or be yoeve this truly is the best path to the democratic nomination for you? >> i believe it is the best pat because people are coming to alize the urgency o this. it's tied with health care, is the number one priority of voters in iowa, and for good run. i was in hamburg, iowa, a little town that's been there since

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agree. as great as tnc diffe of races are on these questions, the real story is the fferences between whites when you look at this through partiessm of political white democrats 64% say the country has not gone farough in giving african-americans equal rights. white republicans 15% hold that view. on the legacy of slavery, 80% of white democrats say 's had a big impact compared to 40% of white republicans. neerds, white democrats look a lot like of a of respondents than they look like white and we see the same kinds of differences when you look at how people view racial equality in realen had li realen-life circumstances. a majority of african-americans say they believe they areea d less fairly dealing with police, in the workplace voting in elections and applying for mortgages. except on the issue of policing, a majority of white respondents did not agree. but those numbers ift when we look at these questions through a red/blue filter

white democrats again tracked more closely with how african americans respondents felt on these questions while white republicanfeel differently. bottom line, there is relative unity a mongority groups on these questions of racial equality. the biger split seems t be among whites on political lines and that's what makes the issues so complicated to deal with in washington? when we come back end game. a lot of people have bee called the democratic frontrunner. you could take the treatment of your ulcerative colitis in a different direction. talk to your doctor about xeljanz, a pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. xeljanz is the first and only fda-approved pill for moderate to severe uc. it can reduce symptoms in as early as two weeks, improve the appearance of the intestinal lining, and provide lasting steroid-free remission. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,

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n back with "end game." if it's a weekend, someone is nouncing for president. we had one yesterday and one toboy. here's corer from yesterday. >> we will end the system of mass incarceration in america. we won't wait tegalize marwa marijuana at the federal level. we will pass universal ckgroundchecks. we will ban assault weapons. i will fight for medicare for all. >> it's interesting that former mayor of newark, eugene, announced yesterday. and the hottest candidate that's not named biden or bernie is a current mayor of a smaller city,

south bend, pete buttigi throws in today. the cory booker was the reminder that cory booker would feel like a bigger presence in this campaign than he's been. why? >> because he's bee running for a while. >> feels like it. >> he just announced, but he's n actually beenng. it's been clear he was running. it doesn't seem to -- he just haven't caught fire. he hasn't caught fireth with the donor base or the vors thus far. and he's not -- i mean, you can't say he's a top tier candidate right now and sitting senator, impressive guy. >> i wonder if he could run as newark mayor, not as forr newark mayor. >> i think it's a good time to buy booker stock. >> do you? >> looking at the emoonal primary. there are lovers and fighters and the lovers are beto, buttigieg. i think a lot of demoyats are finaoing to say, let's put an end to all that what we've

been through with >>trump. completely disagree. >> that's why we're her >> let me throw something up here. look at the front-runners. erybody's been a front-runner. rr"vanity fair," kamala is the new front-runner. "the wall street journ," beto oh he o'rourke is the front runner. >> i think there is a question as to why cory booker is not currently in the top tier. i do think, though, that s ther ething to be said about peaking at the right time. how many of us - c itainly didn't peak in high school and here we are on the set of "meet the press," right? same goes for an election. you know, i mean, it's a long -- we have a long way to go to >> does that mean this is the peak? >> by the way, let me point out, in fact, to prove this point and to hammer it home,otiowa and new hampshire poll this week

that had, by the way, identical atder of cand. biden, one, followed closely by bernie and beauuttigiegseas the surpthird. our way back machine, here wasd y poll in iowa in 2015. ng by y clinton was win 40 points and iowa ended up being decided by bas margin of error. >> if you talk to bernie people, they'll say they won iowa. >> polls are meaningless. >> i'm going to use another baseball analogy. 2012 and 2016 for the re blicans, right, basically you were just waiting to get to ere top of the batting order. it was lly just this nonstop, you know, go from the bottom to the top, bottom to the top. one lesson that i think is pretty sad for all of us ishat big mistake did cory booker made? he ran for senate. theenate is like that -- the sucking sounds for everybody's political career. it's true. >> well, as pete buttigieg said,

i haven't been corrupted by washinveon. i don't he stain of washington. >> he's right. >> conventional wisdom, if you're a democr, yan for president, you've got to present your positive agendaan you be just anti-trurp. i'm waiting for somebody to come stout and say, you know, i'm th anti-trucandidate. i'm running to beat donald trum and, you know -- >> isn't that terry mcauliffe? isn't that the alligator picture? >> bernis sanders i making that point. it's unusu because it's different from what he did last time around. >> i think there's subtraction there. this is a national emergency, i have to beat donald trump. >> having you here, i found buttigg/pence back and forth a debate over who gets t define christianity. >> that's the thing i wish the mike pences of the world understands, if you have a problem who i am, your problem is nith me. your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. >> he said some things that a

critical of my christian faith and about me personally. he knows tter. >> i'm not critical of christian faith. i'm critical of bad policy. >> pete has his convictions, i have mine. >> there are so many jimmy carter, to me, comparisons tog buttigight now between the '75-'76 era and today for so many reasons. this retrying to hav a conversation about christianity in the democratic party is part of it. >> taking in the stranger, as i understand a reasonably large isrt of canity and that's what we're talking about with immigrants and all that, there's aatural pla for the religious left, someone who can talk honestly in the language of the gospel. i think it was a mistake to go after pence.bu igieg gives you left wing policies without left wing culture war. >> he seemed to want to pul back slightly from that. >> i think it's risky to see -- to - for anyone of faith to go after somebody else's personal -- like tha ls thee that -- in the sand he didn't

seem to want to draw. but t donk mike pence is so far on one side of the culture war that, you know, he can, to a certain extent, kind of set up that contrast. you know, chuck, you know democrats are constantly debating even if we impeachd trump we wond up with mike pence. is that better or worse? i think some people see his policies are more far right than even thepresident. i think he really set up a strawman argument. there wasn't actually a fight between pence and pete buttigieg. i said it right. and that's really risky, i thin >> and i thi that will be a fascinating debate going forward. that's all wtohave for y. thank you for watching. i appreciate it. we'll be back next week because if it's sundayit's "meet the ess." ♪

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