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yoe. >> this is "meet the press with chucke to." >> good sunday morning on again. conven proved to be more conventional than wise. not long ago, the smarty pabts kroupd proclaimed the democratic party moved sharply to the left, berniend ss was position to th rnlg century joe biden should seriou consider not running for t nomination of the 21st centur version of the democr party. well, dafra difference reality might make. since entered the race, joe do. this the latestshowing biden lappin sanders and crushing the rest of the field. look no further than the white . presid trump's near obsession with biden is much more likely a sign of fear than of confidence. all of which to say that democr party has not moved to left, it has. i'll talk to bernie sanders in
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just amoment. let's acknowledgee may experi biden whiplash yet again. we haven't even had a debate, seen an attack ad or watched biden experience the gauntlet of the campaign trail on a daily basis. it what we're learning that the progressive activist twitter verse doesn't reflect the larger democr erse. and for now, at least, biden is having >> you want to know the first and most important plan in my propos is? trump. at a kickoff joe biden leaned into the idea that he is the democr best positioned to beat donald trump. >> american people want a presid to add to our divisi a lead with clenched fist, a closed hand, a hard he demonize yourar opponent, to sp hatred. they don't need me. they've got, president donald >> with a field of 24 candidates and counting, 2020 democrats are
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jockeying to sell the perception of the electability. >> we're not waiting f ideas. what's missing is courage. >> i ought to beat donald trump. beat him 21 times in court. >> i know how to challenge this guy. been watchingis him h whole life. >> 73% of democrats call it extremely important that the democratic candidate for president can beat president trump. just 51% say it is extremely important the nominee shares their views oor maj issues. >> if trump is re-elected, the supreme court will be a nightmare for manyy generations toto come. >> that angst and biden attention is driving a number of 2020 contender to distance themselves from some of the more progressive ideas circulating like ending pvate insurance. >> that's not what i meant. i know it wasnterpreted that way. but, no. it does not get rid of insurance. >> and r breaking up big tech
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companies. >> that l sounds like a donald trump thing to say. no.i' we need to create systems and processes. >> biden's rise in the polls has hisen opponents attempting cautious aim. person iden is a good and was a great vice president. i belie thatpr i'm a candidate for our time. >> it is time for theeneration that fought in iraq and afghanistan to stepaf in for th generation that sent us there. >> it is not t the real world t think mitch mcconnellin is goin to embrace a global effort. >> that crime bill, it did contribute to mass incarceration in our country. >> while thero pgressive wing of the party sharpens their attas. >> joeoe biden si. >> i will be damned if the same politicians who refused toct en are going to try to come back today and say we need a
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middle of the road approach to save our lives. >> bernien sanders who was the front runner before biden entered the race. >> i i disagree o with manythe votes he cast. >> ie led the effort against those tradee agreements. joe v voted for them, the war i iraq. i voted against it, joe voted for it. >>me joining me now is senator bernie sanders of vermont. good to have you back, sir. let me start with something the former vice president said yesterday. a was talkingidut his climate change proposal. he said if you want to know what the firstmportant plank is it was, get, beat trump. you have said if all the democrats do is focus onp, trum you tlose. essentially biden b is saying, , no, no, no, it is all about trump. your reaction. >> i think democrats have got to do a couple of things. number one it goes without saying that we have got to
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defeat donald trump, who in my eiew is the most dangerous president in th modern history of thispr country. he's's a pathological liar, a x sexist and a rapist. are talking about climate change, what the scientists tell us ishat we have 12 years before irreparable damage is done to this. planet. you got to beat the fossil fuel industry. you have to take on all of those of the status quo who do o not wantove this country to energy efficiency and sustainable ffenergi. chuck, what the scientists tell us is that the future of the planet is at stake. and we have aal mor responsibility to make sure that our kids live and our randchildren live in a a healty planet.table that means massive investments in wind, solar and so forth. so taking on trump, of course d you got toum that. >> right. >> but you need a real plan to transform our energy system. >>er you have to win, right?av
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and you h to, i think one of theu cases you have to make th democrats win. heth former head of the democratic party in pennsylvania, and i gather joe biden has a lot of support in pennsylvania. but he sai this about you. he said i'm supremely confident bernie sanders could not winnn pesylvania. many, manyop democrats inan pennsy stick their fingers in their ears. tell us how you win pennsylvania? >> look, let me just say this o ed who i have known for many years and the entire democratic establishment. there are millions of people who are sick and tired of that democraticis estaent. what ed should know is that a recent poll that cam out had me eightt points ahead of trump in pennsylvania. we have hadolls whichave me way ahead of him in michigan and wisconsin and all over this country. the reason that my campaign can beat donald trump is we're going to create the kind of excitement that weki need to bring out the
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large voter turnout. we're going to bring out young people, who not only are interested and are going to fight for real climate change, raise that minimum wage to $15 an hour, a fight i hhave beenping to lead. they want health care to all. theyey understandhat is absurd, that young people should be leaving lcollege, 50, 60, $100,000 in debit. they wanttu criminal justice reform. want immigration reform. the truth is that our campaign, i think,, can generate that excitement. our generation can talk to some, some of the tru supporters who now knoww they were lied to whee trump said he was t going to provide health care to everybody and tried to throw 32 million people off the healthop care. i think we are the campaign that can beat donald trump. >> senator, i would argue you made a similar case against hillary clinton four years ago and you came up short. why do you think this time -- >> chuck, chuck -- >> i'm just saying --
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say. ck, met me just >> they seem to be gravitating toward joesh biden. >> we came. up short, yeah. n took o the entire democratic establishment. wewe took on the democratic national committee. we took on everyti democra governor, every democratic mayor and we ended up winning 22 states and 13 million votes and in fact bringing forth an agenda that transformed the demratic party. four years ago people were not talking about the issues they're so i understand that our campaign is unique in the sense that we gotin to try to win the democratic primary. we're going to try to beat trump. but you know what else we're goingo trytr to do? we're going to try to transform the united states of america, deal withes this massive level incoming wealth and equality, deal with wall street, the greed of the drug companies and the insurance companies and the fossil fuel industry. our campaign has a different goal. ns is toam trm this country, and we're taking on the entire
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establishment when we do that, including ed. >> i want to focus a second on medicare for all. michael benedict believed that the 20lesson of 2010 was fix am obare. i would likee you to take a listen to what he said earlier to me about that. >> now what democrats are say g is, if you like your insurance, we're going to take it away from you from 180 million people get their insurance from their employer and like it. or 20 million americans who are onicare advantage and love it. that seems like a bad opening offer for me. >> and, senator, i'm well aware that you believe that, look, you were in favor of obamacare, an it was not your first choice. but there is a lot of voters who voted to fixob acare first and then look and see, okay, should it be something different. are youou obligated to fix obamacare first? >> well, we're obligated to make
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sure that trump and the republicans do not throw tens of millions of t people o the health care that they currently are enjoying. but here is the point. the point is the current health care system is absolutely dysfunctional. you have 34 million without any health insurance. even more who are underinsured. elderly people can't afford dental secare, eye glas we managed to spend twice as much and we pay the highest prices in the world for escription rudrugs. i know the drug companies, the insurance companies will spend hundreds ofillions of dollars including adsb on nbc attacking bernie sanders and medicare for all. the people support it veryly stro all we areyi saying is you have good program inn medicare. expand it to everybody. impre medicare f senior citizens. when we do that, we will providp cohensive care to all people and do it by saving substantial
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sums of money. >> under your plan, we're eliminating private insurance, correct? >> we are gng to provide comprehensive health care to all people. and what you areo going to have is private insurance, if people want it, for supplementary type benefits, cosmetics and so forth. >> but everybody has the same baseline government health care. >> well, that government health care is whatre medicare is righ no if you look atw. the polling, medicare is far more popular than private heah insurance. peek like medicare. we have to expand it. >> what do you say to the people worried abt the disruption? everybody hates their health care until you try topt disru them t of their current system. >> well, i'm not so sure about that. t what i do ow, what i do know is that there is massive disruption. one of the problems with the health care system right now is if your employer decides to get another insurance company, you may beur able -- you'll be losi
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the doctor you currently go to or y have to pay a lot more to t it. every time somebody loses their job or an employer health insurance policy, there is disruption. when you haveac medicare for al you will finally have stability. everybody in the country will have comprehensive hlth care covering allve basic health car needs. we will savee taxpayers and the citizens of this country on health care substantial sums of money. >> i want to ask you about the big news in the state legislatures this week on the issue of abortion. simply this, will you have a e?tmus testt for judges on it is pretty clear in 2020, no matter which side of the abortion issue you are on, it is going to be on the ballot. do you believe in tharoe litmus test? >> look, i believe what they did in alabama is unbelievable. other states are doing it. the idea that women in this country should notot be able to control theirir own bodies is
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beyond belief. they have that constitutional right. so if you are asking me would i ever appoint a supreme court justice who does not believe in defending roe v. wade, who does not believe that a woman has at righo control her body, i will never do that. >> is there any restrictions -- do you believe there should be anyy restrictions on abortion i law? >> i think tha that is a decision that is being made -- that should be made by the woman in her position. i think manyic of -- you know, what people areeo doing is creating a political issue out of a o medical issue. so the decision about women should be ablesi to control the own body and thoseis decns are made by a doctor. >> are you at all concerned about this idea that pple may try to worry about the sex of a child or essentially look at that -- >> yeah. >> are those type of restrictions on abortion mething you are open to? >> i u wouldn't it as a
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restriction. that's ann issue that society hs got to deal with, and it is a concern. >> how wld you deal with that in thein law? >> i don't know how at this particular point i would deal with isit. but that is an issue that we have to deal with. >> i want to move to some foren policy as "the new york times" spent a lot of time talking about your trips to central america. i know youi got pretty worked u about those things. i think the larger question -- >> well. >> let me just frame the question this way.ou if yre the nominee, whether you like it or not, the right is oing to basically hammer and sickle you to death. do you prevent it? >> well, i don't mind the right wing doing it. but i understand they will do it. i. don't want the media to do i. when i was a young man, i plead guilty. i worked hard as a young man against the war in vietnam. i don't apologize for that. as a member of the united states house, i helped lead the effort against the war in iraq, which
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turns out to have been the worst foreign policy blunder in the modern historyd of the united states. as a senator,at i led the effor to t pass a bipartisan resoluti to get america out of the war in yemen led byau s arabia, which -- and i got to tell you something, chuck. guys pay attention to yemen. what's going on in yemen now is the worst humanitarian disaste in the world. we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people, children, dying. and i'm doing my best to get the u.s. out of that war. and if trump wants to go to war in iran, that will make the war in iraq look like a cake walk. it will make it -- so we have got too do everything we can to stop that. if people wanto to attack me because i thinkat that war shou be the las sort, you can attack me. but i have seen too much horror. i was the chairman of the senatn committee ooreigni affairs. i talked to too many veterans whose lives were destroyed by the war in iraq. iveill do ething i can to
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see problems solved diplomatically. >> on the issue of the u.s. embassy in jerusalem, would you move it back outla of jer , if t it was a way to get a peace deal. >> yeah. the answer is, look, whether is iran and saudi arabia, israel and the palestinians, the united states needs to bring people together, needs an even handed policy and saudi arabia, for example, per decades we have supported a rouseegime which fights democracy every single day. i wanten an even handed policy which brings people together. >> would you move the embassy now out of jerusalem. that one e'll take step att a time. it is .someing, you ow, bottom line is we need to be a -- we are the most powerful country on earth.
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let's bring people together and try to bring peace. f >> youtid out humanitarian problems all the time. how would you deal with china and the muslims. i guessar they're calling it reeducating.o how you hold china accountable for that without wrecking the economy. >> well, i don't think you have to wreck the economy to tell china that you cannot have the equivalent of almost concentration camps. look, veryte sadly under donald trump we haveld moved in exactl the wrong e way. heon supports awe thorntarian governments all over the world. i believe we have to support mocracy and human rights. i think china is an important part. we havee to deal with trade issues. but it should be known we cannot allow -- w we have to stand up d oppose governments that are doing terrible things to minorities. >> iss humanitarian reasons a reason to use military force? that's what we did in kosovo and
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bosnia. >> obviouslyou you have to lookt case by rese. if you a talking about the need to prevent genoside,yeah, i guess so. >> we got to a lot, and i hope u we see y more often than we have in the last year. thanks for being on and sharing your views. when we come back, the democratic race and thewh numbe thatd should have president trup concerned. panelists next. ld have president concer the pa my ideal cloud? rk it has to woike air traffic control. it's gotta let new data integrate with data from our existing systems. ♪ ♪ be able to pull from reservation platforms built 20 years ago. and also be able to use apps to book super-personalized trips on shiny new phones fr the future. plus, i need freedom to move my workloads wherever, whenever - but manage it all from right here. and that's the cloud i want. simple, right? expect more from your cloud. ibm cloud.
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>> i guess it's good to be back. >> let me start with a couple of pieces of conventiona wisdom that might be exploding efore oureyes. first i want to put up the fox news poll. there is an interesting number here. first of all, it shows biden with a double digits lead. then look at the matchups and then the trump number. s do you a pattern there? sander 46-41. harris 41-41. and he can lead somebody but 41. i'm trying to figure out which conven wisdom is more inaccu that j bident can' get the nomina orhat president trump is underrate the as a candid someti think we overrate the president's stance because of 16. >> yeah. i mean, but how can you not factor that in? i woul expect him --nless the democr have poise in this nomina process or pick a carolo candidate to be running behind from the outside of the genera elect n race, biden, hook, i confess, i totally
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undere his strength. i overestimate the power of the left. maybe surprising, i'm a conser pundit i would get that wrong and expect that i would get that wrolo. a of the democratic field got it wrong. and may now be mispositioned to of the democratic party. >> eugene, it does ieem as a lot of democrats spent too much time on twitter. >> yeah, some people -- >> they do. twitte is -- the twitter verse is not the universe. and it's more to the lef the conventiona wisdom on twitte and in sort of political circles was that b too conser he wou have a hard time. got to bought that because there i a larger democratic party. for one thing,ha you ve to get suppor from african-americans. you ha to get support if latino you ha to get a lot of voters who are not -- some of whom are fairly socially conservativ and
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who are, you know, kind of the salt of the earth types that you don't associate with, you know, the most left progressive polici necessarily. so my answer is let's see what happen when biden came in. i ve been surprised at the size of his early lead. it is impressive. >> impressive. >> janet, you live and breathe the california world. and sometimes peop uc berkel bay area you live in your own bubble. i'm curious. this is joe biden's message to all democrats yesterday. i want to play a piece of it. re>> our pdent is the divider in chief. trump inherited a economy from ama- administration that was given to him, just like he inheri everything else in his life. want to know what the fir td most important plafrpg in .
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>> that going carry? i think of the bay area. people you interact with, are they pragmatic right now about biden or are they, like, no, we like our camilla harris or we want to see a more diverse debate >> obviously senator hair ve harris is very popular in califo vice p biden will make a seriou there. and be i was in california and d.c., i was the governor of arizonan democratic politics play a bit differently there than on the coast. so i'm not sprised that vice presid biden has come out of the gates so strongly. becaus i do believe that within the democratic party there is a core -- a core of what i think pragmatic progressive who want the country to be working in a morenited fashion, than a very conscious and supportive of civil rights, of human rights and women rights. but ar also kind of skeptical of some of the ideas coming from
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the fa >> hei sitting here and if you're not bride enoid bernie do do you? >> the conventiona wisdom is attack biden. that doesn't seem to be working. maybe what needs to be shahappen is win that second tier field. possib you're seeing the other candid peel off support from bernie what's happening tos bernie i that his base of support from 2016 which, by the way, was never real as massiho as people tht it because we talkis here. we wer no the talking about the democr primary vote. but that is now spread out. and that is why it's hard for any single one of the candidates to emerge as a viable threat to joe biden. if you watch his campaign speech launch he's running a general elecr strategy he was only focused on trump. he made a specific pledge that
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am not going to go after any of the democrats. he was to will about aance by saying, look, i'm not going to allow anyone to walk all over me. but i think that people are tired of the name calling. they'r tired of the divisi i'm ready for a bare knuckle fight. but i'm not going to stoop to that level. i'm not going to alienate some of the pragmatic republican modera as well. i want a government that works again. i think that is aeneral electi strategy. >> biden's announcement video and thspeech, this is not clic. work together, i unity, americ an idea. trump very rarely talks in those terms and a lot er the oth democr candidates were consum with making more fundam critique of america. fwhut is a big caveat i still have. when ever have we elected the elder statesman promising a restor i thin fresh and in you is still the threat to him not necess left. >> and gene, the only thing i
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trappe in the past. we know how things work before. we never had donald trum as presid we have no idea how this impact >> you always fight the last electi right? not the one that is am coulding up. and so, no, we have no idea how, you know, how really to run agains donald trump. you know, what is going to work or not work against we don't know. we have some idea of how the presid will campaign. but we -- this is -- we're in unchar territory. >> does it matter if sanders ca carry arizona? should be thinking about that as much a they think about medica all? >> absolutely. i think the docratic party think of the whole country. but there are states in the rocky mountain west and arizona and new mexico and colorado is turnin safely blue. but even inou nevada, yknow,
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there are a lot of electoral colleg votes in those states. and trump won arizona by 3, 3 1/2 points. >> can bernie sanders carry it? >> that's a more difficult questi i think arizona democrats tend to the more conservativ side using spectrum. >> all right. we'll pause it here. when we come back, iran, aborti debate, and aco repuressman saying presid trump engaged in impeac conduct. now i'll talk to a republican now i'll talk to a republican plants capture co2.ot what if her kinds of plants captured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that capturecarbon like trees we could help lower emissions.a on capture is important technology - and experts agree. that's why we're workit. on ways to improve i so plants... can be a little more... like plants.
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ish yous. and second republicans in washington seem to be deey reluctant to embrace the anti-abortion measure passed b a number of states, particularly the one in alabama. senator cotton is the author of a new book about my favorite place to go here in washington, "a sacred duty." welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thanks for having me on, chuck. >> i want to talk about it a little bit at the end. but let me start with the abortion debate because you took your constitutional law. you went to harvardlaw. the question really is when do you believe a fetus has constitutional rights? >> chuck, like a lot of folks here in arkansas, i'm pro life. i think a basic responsibility of government in a civilized t
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society is protect innocent life. i know that that's a passionate question on both sides, one of the problems of having unelected judges in washington make that for us as a nation is that you can't have space for democratic debate where you can reach consensus to find a common ground. i think that's unfortunate. but i think what i'm most proud of here in arkansas is we have recognized the frontiers of medical science are being pushed back so doctors are saving the lives of babiesorn in this state. i think that's the common ground we can lookor whenunelected judges are setting the basic rules on this very passionate issue. >> you yourself mus have an opinion on this. when does a fetus have >>nstitutional rights in your mind? chuck, what i want to try to find in this debate is an area where we can agree on what we should do in a civilized society. if a baby can survive outside of
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its mothers womb in the nicu at 22, 20 weeks, then we should protect that life. i know there is divisive issues and debates. we proposed legislation that would ve said if a baby is born during an attempted abortion that baby has the right to live and the right to medical care just like any other person does. every democrat running for senator voted against that law, i of the most extreme votes have seen cast in my four years in the senate. >> you have at one timed sponso bill that wanted to declare that life began at conception. you did that in the house. but you do not suppo a similar bill that senator rand paul introduced. why the change? >> chuck, iaven't reviewed senator paul's bill. that's the standard that most republicans who have held the presidency in modern times held as well. they understand there are certain tragic cases like rape
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or incest or when a mother's life is in danger. but i believe life begins at inceptio l asg as we have unelected judges making the rules, we shouldry to findays to protect the most innocent lives that can survive. >> is it hard to make the -- if you believe that life begins at conception, how do you justify an exception for rape and insist? >> chebecause we live in a democratic society. i recognize not everyone shares my views. that's why i say that one of the majorf problems o having unelected judges make these kind of decisions is we don't have the ability to make thosede cratic debates, have an open and frank conversation without playing within the guard rails that udunelected js from put up in this country. states are going to make different decisions. new york state earer this year
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adopted an extreme abortion law that would alaw abortion almost up to the point of delivery. some politicians in virginia proposed e ed euthanizing child born during an attempted abortion. >> should this be a political decision or a medical decision? should this be -- should you guys be getting a panel of medical doctors to decide, okay, this is when a fetus is viable? should this be decided byme cal professionals and not by frankly you or io went t medical school. >> chuck, medical science of course informs these decisions, but ultimatelyalhese are mor questions. but medical science is advancing. 10 or 15 years ago, a child born
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at 22 or0 weeks might not have been able to survive. as the progress advances, tha informs our debate. it is true from the other perspective as well. we have horrific practices such as screening for abortion or people who may want to select for a male child instead of a female child or who look for various kinds of genetic effects or indicators or may want to abort those children. >> do you want roe completely over turned or do you want it done in such a way that there is a basic protection? you talked abo aemocratic process. it is nearly two to one in the exit poll in 2018 of folks ngfavoring keepi roe as is. >> chuck, technically, it isne plan parenthood v casey.
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i think those issues were wrongly decided. i think these are decisions that the american people ought to make through their elected representatives. people will make decisions with democrat legitimacy as some of the centers in planned parenthood. yet, they are available for democratic debate. if pple of differing viewpoints through their elected representatives can make these decisions informed by all the relevant facts. >> let me move to iran. i want to play something that senator aing saidut the intelligence that he has seen regarding iran. he said this earlier this week. i want to get you to respond to it. >> i don't think there is faulty intel here necessarily. i think the intel may be accurate. but the unanswered question again is are they reacting to our aertions of action in the middle east or are we reacting to them? that's an unanswered quest n fome. >> do you concede that the intelligence may be that folks are interpreting it maybe they want to interpret it?
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>> so, chuck, i have read the intelligence not just of the last two weeks butt of the las four and a half years. the intensity and frequency of this reporting is significantly heightened over the last two or three weeks. i don't have any doubts that iran started taking provocative action two or three weeks ago. the united states on the recommendation of our military made prudent decisions like deploying to the region. wet didn'o those to prepare. we did those things to deter military action by iran. >> do you think the pldsident shou- he wants to sit down with and debate this. >> we're focussed on trying to deter military action in the region. that's not very fruitful conditions for sitting down with any foreign leader. iran is an outl regime.
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you know, that war is getting hot at times. in the 1980s and the iraq war. they have the blood of over 500 deadir americans on the hands. some of those americans as i wrote without in sake let duty would buriedn arlington national cemetery. >> why do you think anar iran w would be as easy as you seem to describe? i mean,he last strike, there was a lot of that talk about iraq. and obviously that turned out to noto easy. >> well, chuck, the whole range our litary options that department of defense provides the president that range from the military strikes we have taken twice against syria under president trump to what you saw in iraq. no one, to my knowledge, is proposing wha you saw in iraq with troops to invade and govern 80 iranians.
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we'd like them to be able to live in a normal country. >> so you are not advocating regime change? >> we'd like to see the regime change the behavior. but my point about the first strike and the last strike is the united states is not going to take the first strike here. but if iran attacks the united states or our allies in the first strike, then it will be up to america in a time and manner of our choosing to take strike because our military will devastate theirs. >> before i let you go, "sacred duty," tell me one place if you have not been to, one part of arlington national cemetery they might not have seen that they should see. >> well, chuck, eveto heads in arlington tells a story. as i write about, provides the nors to our fallen heroes. it was an honor for me to serve there. if you really want to see a living testament to the heroism of our soldier, sailors, airmen,
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the war week when he increased tariffs on goods imported from china. well, president xi responded with taris of his own and the chines tariffs hit a very specif states politically that could be impacted in 2020. t on the ten states that will hi agricu tariffs, eight of them voted for president trump . which on the surface would be bad news for the president in 2020. and while he could lose support in places like indiana or kansas these stes are not likely to switch from red to blue. in fact, because these voters suppor the president, they may be more willing to take pain if it means pushing back against china. keep eye on the senate races, especi in places like iowa and texas which could also take a hit from these tariffs. now not all red states are created equal whic
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as we democrats don't like when the debate is about late term abortions and republ don't like when it and debate here is republican reaction to . take listen. >> it goes further than i believ >> there is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law. it will b. you know? and so forth. >> yes. senato richard shelby there from alabama. when h was a democrat, he
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actual supported and enacted the se abortion. now he is pro-life as a republ in alabama. where is is headed? >> i think that you see so many republ responding this way. it was not just shelby. it was mccarthy and mcdonald and the president. hey understand this could fundam change the balance of passions in the culture wars in this country. chuck, i covered the women's marchnpr i also covered moderate republ women who believed that trump would never be a threat to abortion rights. while these laws that are passin are not just passing in one state, they're passing in multip states with no e except for rapd incest. it is not just alabama. i think this is a potential for democr to reach out to these modera who by the way, aem number of th actually did vote for democrats in the 2018 midter elections. but for moderate women, this is going be an issue for sure especi if the laws keep pushin thenv eelope even if
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they d make it to the supremcourt. so man of them are so similar. >> rich, democrats are going to in the tv ads. >> i think any lon moveme for social and moral reform has to strike a balance betwee purity and prague m i think the heartbeat laws perfor educative function and just driving home how early a fetal heartbeat ise.detectibl so the pro-life movement since the supreme court has basically shut down democratic delibe on this issue for time being has to be about public persuasion. i thin help. alabam doesn't. >> where are you onthis? >> you know, i think, rich, i agree with you. i think the alabama bill is obviou extreme. it was designed to get to the suprem and get there rapidl so if it ultimately gets
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to that court the interaction betwee the couen's calr and electi calendar is going to be very interesting. and i also agree with you. i think this is an issue that for the pro-chce side has never had the kind of urgency as it has passion as it has on the anti-cside. but this could flip that. and for the life of m i do not unders why you wouldn't even have a xrepexc for rape or incest >> they didn't fire up the left. it is one of these things that theht rigs so laser focus on in the grassroots in particular that it hasn't -- is the idea of roe on the ballot, does it -- >> i think the alabama law now is such a political misfire
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becausonumber i'm not at all convinced the supreme court could even take up this case. i think it's going to be struck down in the district court level that the same result at the appeal court level. not sure th would even grant cert on this extrem and this givessomething, a focal point for abortion right suppor to vote on. it's a iconic sort of thing. no exceptions, no nothing. it was interesting hearing senato cotton say unelected judges shouldn't be making these decisi infact, what is the altern there is no consensus on aborti in this country. i don't think there is going to. there' nosi morally constent comproposition zbhch . >> i get the sense that democr candidates don't want orti to be front and center but it's going to be. i don't it or plan for it to be, watch
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at happened within the past 48 hours. they'r denouncing cithis, espeor the women candid that haven't had as strong a spotlight on them in this cycle. i think this is an opportuty for them to distinguish themse a little bit and, chuck, i think there is a broade framing here opportunity for democrats about what is pro-li what is pro momma? what is pro baby? the sahe states passing t strict abortion laws also have some of the country's highest infant and maternal mortality rates. >> all right. i have to leave it there. before go, i nt to take note of our friends at dat line are launching 13 alibis, a series about pducer dan's two year investigation convic murderer serving 20 years in a prison for a crime he said he didn't yocommit. can get it where you get your podcast. that's all we hve for today. thank or watching. we'll be back next week. becaus if it's sunday, it' "meet
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