. this sunday, th mash shooting in virginia beach. >> shotti ins fire shots fired! >> you just heard people yelling and screaming to get down. >> plus, the growing push for immuachment. bob lersays clearly what bill barr would not. >> if we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so. >> president trump pushes ibac hink he is a total conflicted person. i think mueller a is true never trumper. >> more than 50 democrats now calling for a an impeachment and query, but not speaker pelosi. >> we want to do what's right

and what gets results. >> also, tariff backlash. president trump's new tariff on mexico is condemned by democrats. >> it just makes no sense. i simply can't understand .it >> by business groups and many republicans, are these tariffs really aimed at curbing illegal immigration or an effort divert attention from impeachment. my guests this morning, white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. and running with beto. >> this is a campaign for america, for everyone in america. >> but now his candidacy seems stalled. what happened? my interview this morning with democratic presidential candidate beto to ruo'rourke. joining me kristin wker, carol lee and author and historian

john meacham. welcome to sunday. it is "meet the press." this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. this sunday morning, we're going to get to robert mueller's statement in a moment. but we will start with this weekend's tragedy in virginia beach. it is sad to say, but there are almost too many mass shootings in the united states to count. together those civil servants and some 150 years of experience operating behind the scenes of just simply helping make rginia beach work everyday. this latest mass murder should lead to more debates about what we as a country will do about this kind of violence. but what withose conversations produce? the answer is sadly likely to be nothing. joining me now is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. it seems the biggest history has to do with motive. >> yes. they don't really have one at th there is conflicting stories

about whether the gunman here, who was an employee who killed his fellow employees. the majority of the victims were people iepthe same dtment that he worked in. so he undoubtedly knew them. there had been recounts he had him. in argue uments with but some people said he seemery ve calm and the usual kind of guy. >> the weapons he used, everything purchased legally, but a little bit different than other mass shootings. >> yeah. the weapons are two.45 caliber handguns, one of the most common weapons in america. he did have extended magazines or clips that hold the ratnds tho into the body of the gun, and that allows someone to shoot more rounds without having to those are legal in every date. they're certainly legal in virginia. you mentioned thatsilencer. th will be key here. his first victim was sitting in lot.r in the parking when the police department is

right nearby. if he had not had a silencer, g th would have made a ferocious noise. h secondly, when goes into the building, many of the victims had said they didn't realize it was gunshots because it didn't sound like them. or they thought they were much fartr way. that's because of the sound muffling quality of a silencer. they're legal to own if you get edthem register >> do you have to go through the same process to buy a silencer? >> no. here you have to fill out a form, submit identification, fingerprints. you mail it into the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. they review it. >> he did it legally? >> we don't know whether he went through what's called the gistration process for it. there had been recent moves to remove these restrictions. i would think a mass shooting in which a silence you are was the

factor would be a bigger impedime impediment. >> i think you're right there. you covered way too many of these. >> i'll say. >> thanks for coming on. turning now to the russia investigation. robert mueller never mentioned the word impeachment on wednesday. here's the reaction that followed. the key moment is when the special counsel sai if his team felt confident the president had not committed crimes, they would have said to. mueller's team did not and mueller went on national television to sayot they did n had two immediate implications. one, it was a direct rebutte to present trump's no collusion, no obstruction mantra. two, mueller's first and perhaps last public statement on the report was seen by many as a broad hint to congress tt it has an option. it's called impeachment. but mueller's late in the game appearance l many to wonder should he have spoken sooner? could he have prevented barr

from framing the public's understanding of the conclusions and what if mueller had said clearly then what he seems to bi saying c now, that he believes president trump committed a crime. so, congress, i is your move. still, mueller has led candidates to conclude if impeachment now is the process, the time to start it is right now. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said to. >> robert mueller closing the door on his own invtigation an making it clear the decision on whether to take further action against the president now rests ssth congre >> the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. >> president trump responded, renewing personal attacks on mueller, including discredited

conflict of interest charges. > i think he is a total conflicted person. i think mueller is a true never trumper. >> and now attorney general bill barr is distancing himself from the mueller report entirely. >> we didn't agree wh the legal analysis, a lot of the legal analysis in the report. it did not reflect the views of the department. >> mueller's public statement is accelerating calls by 2020 democrats to begin impeachment proceedings now. >> bob mueller was essentially referring impeachment to the united states congress. >> the messag really is over to you, congress. >> i know the politics of this is problematic, but this is a very deeply principal, moral moment in america. >> but speaker nancy pelosi is still making it clear she believes it is not the time. >> the report lays out 11 s instanceof possible obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. >> mr. trump pivoting away from

the impeachment debate, has returned to a subject that unites his base, immigration. first teasing. >> thi is a big league swement, but are going to do something very dramatic on the border. >> then on itter announcing a 5% tariff o mexican goods unless migrants coming through mexico stop with the rate increasing each month up to 25% by october. butri offe no clear benchmark for success. the president has issued empty threats on immigration before. >> we're closing the border. we will close it. and we'll keep itlosed for a long time. i'm not playing games. >> mr. trump is frustrated he has no been ableo keep promises to his base to decrease illegal immigration. many republicans are panning the new move, calling it a misuse of presidential tariff authority, d misguided an saying this isn't the right path forward. >> why did the president blind side his own party with this? >> the president didn't blind

side his own party. ifepublicans weren't aware, then they haven't been paying attention. >> joining me now is nick mumic mulvan mulvaney. >> always a pleasure to be here. >> let me start with virginia beach. does the president believe there is a role for the federal government here. >> he does. let's start with this. i saw the lead-in you did with mr. williams. you're right. we have too many of these shootings. nd every time the first thing we talk about is politics. so let's not get too deep into politics too soon. let's think about the families. >> it is not about politics. it is about policy. >> the policy is enforcement and what we already doing. what's been lost is the fact this administration banned bump stocks. we signed piece of legislation that fixed the background checks. we don't know if background checks played a role here. >> we need to learn morebout this silencer situation. that seems like a legitimate

concern. >> right. more ep in mind, i'm familiar with the situation in charleston several years ago where a guy walked into ah churc and shot my desk mate in the senate. we fixed that last year with this administration on a bipartisan basis. there are things the government can do and things this nt is doing. but we're never going to protect everybody against everybody that is deranged and insane. so you're never going to makehi ever perfectly safe, but we are doing a lot better on en enforc >> does the president think it will be harder to get a gun now? >> the president believes very firmly in our second amendment rights. he also believes you cannot take these exceptions. and clearly people like this are the exceptions. this is not the rule. 99.9% of people in this country are law-abiding citizens. >> a lot of o lawsave to do with a small number of people who break laws, not a large

number. >> you have laws on the books that make murder illegal and yet people still do it. laws are not going to fix everything. >> all right. t me move tothe tariff decision. can you explain what mexico -- what you believe the mexican government can do that it is not doing? >> sure. number one, they can secure their southern border. what's lost in the discussion about this is that mos of the people coming across, on average 4,500 people came across last night that compared to 700 people a day. most of those people are not mexican. that border along the southern mexico needs to be secured. it is much easier to secure that border than it is our border because it is so much shorter. it is a quarter of the length. the mexican government can crackdown on their domesticrr te organizations. right now in mexico there is 100,000 people trying to move up into the u.s. border. they do that with the

cooperation of these crime oups. lastly, they could make mexico a safe third country. if you leave a country seeking asylum, the law says you are first to seek asylum in the first safe country you arrive. mexico is safe. the mexican government can address this. >> and they have been taking -- >> taking more, but not enough. that's part of this. >> why use stick to bash the mexican government here? why not offer them -- why not offer them help with their southern border? why not say, you know what, the initiative between the u.s. and the mexican government to try to deal with the drug cartel situation, why not try more of those proposals first before coming down with a hammer. >> the next question, why right noe why do w do it so quickly? here is why. a couple days ago, a thousand people crossed in one group. let's let that sink in for a second. it wasn't 40 people crossing in 25 different places. a group of 1,000 people stormed

the borde outside of tijuana mexico into el paso, texas. that's never happened before. the reason we're doing things people don't expect is because we're facing things we never experienced before. we're using extraordinary tools because there is extraordinaryu ciances that dictate those. >> again, though, it is just hammer, hammer, hammer. why do you expect the mexican government to cooperate wi you want to punish them economically? the mexicans are going to think it is related. >> you assume in that question that we haven't been having those conversations with the mexicans. this came out of the blue, and that's not the case. one of the reasons you have seen them slightly increase the number of people they're taking back into mexico is because wen have bee working with them for over two years. >> so the reward for working with them is slap them with these tariffs? om when you go fr 700 people a day to 4,500 people a day, ings are going to bedi

erent. >> okay. but let me ask the question "the wall street journal" asked, why are you putting the onus on the mexico government and not the american government? >> because the house of representatives is concerned by the demonrats. they w help us. our own government -- >> what kind of effort -- whe is the last time you met with democrats on this issue. >> it was a month ago, month and a half ago. >> twier the last four weeks. what do they do? they're on vacation this week. they left town. our own government is not helping us fix this circumstance. it's been four weeks now since "the new york times," no friend of this organization, said it is time for the democrats in congress to give hhs more money to deal withhisumanitarian crisis, but still no help by the democrats. >> i want to putting something here. it is from the washington post this weekend. he writes, despite his pressure tactics, unauthorized immigration at the u.s./mexican

border isak at a pe and pyongyang has resumedte ing of short-range missiles, a sign that kim is growing impatient. the point is the president -- every initial idea is sort of a stick, stick, stick, and it hasn't -- what results have come from that? >> that's just not true. keep in mind, we have continued a dialogue with the north kore s. i saw thatquote. i just had a chance to see it right there for the first time. two years ago, the north koreans were launching long-range nuclear capable missiles that we think could reach the mainland of t united states. that's not happening right now. things have gotten much better because of what the administration has gone. you now said couple of times, why are we doing these things, using a carrot and a stick? we have been. sometimes you have to take extraordinary measures. >> you could have easily announced this on monday or tuesday. was the president demanding this as a response to the mueller news cycle? >> no, absolutely not.

in fact, nothing could be rther from the truth. what i told you before about that group of a thousand people crossing the border was sort of the touch stonefor this. but this is something this administration has taken up. i've been acting chief of staff for six onths. we discussioned it two or three different times. >> but it is his idea. he's been wanting to do this and everyoneround him has bee trying to stop him from doing it. >> it's not fair. you know how we work. the president comes in and says, re is the problem. here is the ideas to fix it. were there other ideasfloated? yes. were there people that spoke out on -- who gave sort of the downside of doing this? yes. but that's what you want the president to hear.he you want t president to hear all sides of an argument before he makes a decision. >> the president bluffed on shutting down the southern rder about a month ago. the uncertainty that the business community has with all this, they don't know what to make of all this. why is the presidntt couing to create uncertainty with the business community like this? >> the purpose of this is not to create uncertainty.

>> it is. that is one of the consequences. the purpose is to fix the situation on the southern border a we tried the ordinary things. again, i reached out almost a month ago to senate democrats. we had twoeetings with them to go over these issues. six months ago, nancy pelosi sat in the white house and we laid out for her why this was an emergency situation on the southe border and sheaid i don't believe your numbers, i don't believe your facts, i don't believe what you are telling me. under those circumstances, the ordinary things just don't work. >> i want to move to the president's response to robert mueller. seems to indicate that the whole russia interference a hoax. does the president accept the fact that russia interfered in the 2016 election in order to help him win? >> i think the bottom line, and thh got lost again t week, is that it didn't make any difference. ask a lot of people to show me how you voted for andw i'll sho you -- >> that's not the question. >> you always try to change it

to, but no votes for changed. that's not the point. does he accept the point that russia interfered to benefit him, which is what russia point. >> yes, russia did attempt to interfere in our election. there is no question. let's not lose sight of the fact it was theprevious administration that let that happen. >> so what are you going to do? what are you going to do now? is the president going to condemn foreign interference? is he going to make sure his own campaign doesn't participate in this? >> he's been doing it for two years. already been working with the states to make sure that doesn'. happen again our department of justice, our dhs, have been working with states and local governments to make sure n that foreign government, russia or anybody, has the ability to do what in 2020 what they did in 2016. i just wish people, you know, tried to lay some of the blame where it belongs in the prevtius administra for letting it happen in the first place. >> are you confident it was nobody in the white house or a white house advanced person that made the t request to navy to

cove uphe "uss john mccain." >> no, i absolutely believe it was somebody on the advanced team. >> are there any consequences to this? >> it is hundreds of people. you know this. the fact some 23 or 24-year-old person went to that and said, oh, my goodness, can somebody look into mong it? that's not an unreasonable thing to ask? >> it's not? a u.s. navy ship that we're worried the president of the united states, it might get set off because a ship that was named for john mccain's grandfather first. >> yes, i know. >> and then father >> we get that, but you're the third or fourth journalist who has asked ime, someone going to get fired for this? no the person was well meaning. >> they're well known throughout the office and through the media.

gt to think you areng to get fired over this is silly. chuck is fighting with so and so. let's not sit them together at a meeting. is that a fireable offense? >> that's not what you're asking. this happened here. >> this has now gotten stuck and it is just outrageous. >> i like asking this at the end. are you acting stil i >> am. >> are you still the actin -- are you not omb director or could you be without-- my official -- >> that's two different questions. i am a senate confirmed direcl r stild i am in my acting capacity of the chief of staff for the president of united states. >> do you expect to ever go back to omb? >> i like what i'm doing now. >> as always, sir, thank you for coming on. it is always a pleaske to tal to you. more democrats calling for impeachment and ery, but none of them are named nancy pelosi. throughout the morning, we will show you moments from some

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oval office, did you tell putin not to meddle again in the election. the president said it didn't come up. watl it look like at the g-20 summit. >> not only the president is intervening in politics, but we know he doesn't care in foreign politics. >> presidents have weied in on various issues overseas. we saw president obama do that with trexit. >> a cameron's invitation. >> correct, yes. >> it was an invitation of the leader of that country. >> president trump takes that a new level. he did it with the israeli elections and he did it here. the remarkable thing about what he's saying in the uk is it is on the eve of his state visit there. it is creating all this controversy where there was also a ton o controversy. >> you were struck by mccain. >> they said, no, it as a22 or 23-year-old staffer. what really struck me is when you asked him were the tariffs rushed out theeroor to c

mueller, said absolutely not. i believe that. the mueller report wel mng like paper mee shea in the rain. i thought it was indecipherable. except the report made a conclusion, as did there is no concrete evidence to charge any crime. >> insufficient evidence. >> that's a different phraseology there. >> that's a prosecutor's job. bob eller knows leave him alone, let him finish. bob mueller knows there is no crime. so when bill barr now fondly known as bill "the honey badger don't care" bob says there iso ime here, it is over. >> it is interesting watching mueller. abin "the new york times" t mueller, he said nothing and the president said everything. he worked in secret allowing the president to vil the void with

ckless accusations of a witch hunt. his conclusions were encased in legal jargon. mueller tried to have a do-over on wednesday and it lacked clarity. >> he took a mulligan and hit it in the lake. which i do a lot. >> yes. >> so ici appreate it. still three. >> no, it's true. >> with trump it woulde a negative two. he would not count it. yes, we've all talked about it all week. basicay you had a total clash of cultures. this was the easiest scene to write as you could imagine. you have a guy from the school of washington establishment making a very coherent, it seems to me, and responsible and reasoned statement. and then you cut to acros pennsylvania avenue, donald trump was tweeting. right now the tweeting is going to win out over the fact.

that's the great issue of the time. i want to play this quote from an att adee a town hall. listen so what she said about the mueller report. >> i was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the mueller report at all about president trump. i hadn't heard that before, and i mainly listen to conservative news and i hadn't heard anything negative about that report and president trump had been exonerated. >> fascinating. somebody at the white house could look at that quote and say, huh, it's working. it's working. d i think to some extent, the public made up its mind from the moment that barr put out the summary. even before th day that the mueller report came out -- and chuck, look what happened tat day, he spoke an hour and a half before those were released.

i think it is hao t put the toothpaste back into the tube. the white house knows it. the president's torneys know . they're making the case the attorney general said it is time to move on, so we can. to your point, t what woulds have looked like if mueller spoke first? >> it is not just the president. i want to emphasize that legal writers and scholars esteemed in our circles as john is among historians. jald goith at harvard and many others said the mueller specials exactly what a counsel could not do, which is their job, reach a conclusion. probably the most influentialve conservatiot serving in government was quoted in "the washington post" as saying you can't prosecute a president, but you can always declare thathe's committed a crime. and mueller did not. eithern the do-over or the mulligan. >> i think it's put democrats in is uncome fortkocomfortable spo. they don't know what to do.

take a listen tothis. >> impeachment is a political act, and you cannot impeach a president that the amemericann people want to support. >> we can't impeach him for political reasons and we can't not impeach him for political reasons. >> i don't want to divide this country more with a partisan impeachment. i am totallyre schizophc right now about all the different things in there. >> i think that is probably the most honest assessment of all congressiol democrats. i think they're frustrated that the president denied congress. at the same time, they are aware of how divisive it is. >> you will see pelosi try to figure out where the next step goes because, you know, she'll have a monday night leadership meeting. she will then cuddle with her caucus. this is the point at which sth's undee most pressure than she's been about impeachment.

seems u know, yet no one game is.what her end claim e doesn't have an exit strategy. she has a counter strategy. let's give it time and let this play out. >> final word i th john. >> one of the things that -- and i don't face voters. but basically what's happening nois if you continue to raise the bar on impeachment, you are going to lower the bar on presidential lawlessness. that's the roblem. that's probably a good way of putting it. we will pause the conversation here. when we come back, beto o'rourke ins me. as we go to break, another moment from this week's commencement address. >> you are going to beeady to serve. you are going to be ready to leave. you are going to be aiming at you are going to be aiming at the (osamah) cancer is... the ugliest fsease mankind has evered.

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no democrat has won state-wide er ice in texas in a qua century. so the excitement beto o'rourke's near miss campaign generated made h a winner and it helped launch his 2020 presidential bid. but since starting with saturation television coverage, aer "vanity fair" cov story, you could argue his candidacy stalled a t and he needs to do a better job of reaching out to a national audience. congressman, o'rourke, good to see you, sir. >> thank you verying if for hav >> let me start with your job with the democratic ectorate. what distinguishes you from the other 22 people in this field that makes you the unique best nominee that the democrats can find? >> you look at the range of storic challenges that we have in health care, the economy, confronting climate before it is too late and tn this very polarized country continuously divided by this president and

badly damaged democry, my life's work has been about bringing people together and making democracy work for everyone. the largest grass roots effort our state had ever seen, won more votes in our state's history, but one independents for the first time in decades. young voter turnout was up 500%. and we didn't win, but helped to flip the house of representatives with two new members n ess. 17 african-american women elected to judicial pitions in harris county. literally changing the face of criminal justice in our most diverscity, showing democracy can work when we show up for everyone, write nobody off and take no one for granted. we did it all without a single dime from a single political action ttcommi. making democracy work is what it will take to defeat donald trump in 2020. >> so your pitch is you can run

a better campaign, but i the other question is how is it that you're uniquely qualified country. the >> my service in the minority, rie able to work with republicans and democrats alike to expand health care for veterans, protect public lands, work on the u.s.-mexican border to address legitimate security issues. >> in fairness, your six years in congress were among the most contentious. you served during a very contentious period between those two. there aren't a lot of things you could sayyou got done in fairness, right? >> no. i'd argue the point with you, chuck. being able to connect veterans returning from service to this country after they put their lives on the line for us with the mental health care that they

need toe able to get back on their feet and continue with their lives in their communities s one of the most important things i could have been associated with. one of my proudest accog lishments. bele to do that in the minority with a republican controlled congress shows that we will stop at nothing, work with anyone, a time, any where to serve those who put us into these positions of publi t trus in first place. i'm accountable to the people i serve. i listen to them. i show up. i think that's part of healing our democracy. i don't take bigey m this is always about people in this country making this democracy work. it's the only way. ere is noone person, there is no one political party. it will take a movement. it's going to take all of us, not just to defeat trump but thing this country together. >> i want to dive into immigration here in a second. but one last question on the state of your campaign. are you disappointed that what

started out with a lot of buzz suddenly feels as if you are sputtering a little bit?d anat is your explanation for it? >> i'm not disappointed. i mean, i knew this was going to be tough. this is perhaps one of the hardest things that one can do.r but are so many extraordinary people, these volunteers who are showing up, knocking on doors, making phone for us. the folks i meet in town hall meetings all over this country who meet this moment with the urgency it demands, whether it is gun violence, whether it is making sure that women's reproductive rights are protected or guaranteeing that we confront thech greatest lenge we have ever faced in climate and make the generations that follow us proud because we freed ourselves on fossil fuels, embraced renewable energy and led not just this country but the world to ensure we don't warm this planet about two degrees celsius. we won't be able to accomplish

this in one media cycle. i'm looking forward to meeting my fellow americans who want to become part of this. >> you are one of the candidates that has rolled out of full pledged immigration plan. both of you are texans. the first thing you promise to do is take executi action to undoe things like the travel ban, deal with family separations. i am rious. how does this square when president obama added dapa, right, extended the daca protections to dreamers for some of the parents. you said i strong dislike presidents bypassing congress to achieve something they think is important to congress. the means are hard to stomach. i know once people get elected to the presidency they love the execut power that they have. are you worried that you're focus on executive power and essentially leave the immigration system vulnerable to

another president? >> the csitical thing i to make sure that we overturn this president's executive action. soim musl ban, when has a country ever banned all people of one religion as thoughme they're sow defective or violent? that cannot be us. putting kids in cages or deporting their moms from the countries from which they fled or keeping them separated today with no hope or prospect of being reunited. those things we must overturn on day one of ouradministration. but we will have to work with congress to rewrite this country's immigration laws in our own image. the nine million legal permanent re ldents,'s make sure they become citizens as soon as possible, waive their citizen fees, mail them application forms. 11 million undocumented, start with the more than one million dreame dreamers. free them by also making them u.s. citizens in this, their true homecountry.

follow our asylum laws and invest in solutions in honduras, guatemala, el salvador, reduce violence there so no family has to me that journey to our border. >> do you have any empathy? they're being overwhelmed here. they need tempo help from congress to deal with this, whether it's maybe changing the asylum law. are you at all sympathetic to that? >> my empathy and my sympathy is with the families whove had to flee the deadliest countries on the face of the planet who are met with the gret cruelty and inhumanity in this country's history. we have the skap capacity to ta care of those families. >> can the city of el paso ndle more and more migrants coming over the border? >> this country absolutely can dothis. we have 400,000 apprehensions last year, chuck.

in the second year of the george w. bush administrationhere was 1.6 million anehencpprehensionse border. if we treat people with the humanity they deserve, if weth release into a family case management program to ensure they follow our laws at a fraction of cost, to improve ouu sety and ensure that the asylum laws on the books are followed by this country, we will beo safer, secure, and we will be living our values. but if we follow that up by addressing the root problems in the northern triangle, fewer families will have to make that journey in the first place. c wenot meet them with walls or cages. that will do nothing to alleviate the problem. we must go to the source and show true leadership. >> unfortunately, i have to leave it there. you come back and i hope we can ave in some mo this campaign goes along. thanks for coming on and sharing your views this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you. a growing number of republicans say they want to see

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back now with end game. two weeks ago w ined you of what i call biden pundit whiplash. first he's done. then he's up. now apparently everybody hasou figured how to beat him this weekend. not just tm trump but the rest of the democratic field. listen to elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg here with the aggressive first hits of sorts on joe kebiden. listen. >> some way if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. the timer small ideas is over. >> in these times, democrats can no more keep a promise to take us back to the or2000 the 1990s

than conservatives can keep a promise to take us back to the 1950s. we can only look forward. >> john, you can see the outlines of how they are going to try to go at biden there, mall ball with warren, generational with pete buttigieg. >> it makes sense if i was joe biden, i would say the same thing. one of the things that's so fascinating about what's going forward is i have been surprised that biden has come out of the gate so strongly and you wonder if the people who don't follow the stump speech, who are not on twitter basically believe biden is our guy. he's close enough to obama. we remember that fondly. and these other folks are just not what we need in a kfe fight with trump. i think the biden campaign is trying to figure out whether to respto these attacks. >> i saw a response this weekend. he goes, well, you guys are all

on the coasts. we're in the heartland. they were in ohi this weekend. >> yeah. and what he wants to be doing is to beul singly focussed on president trump. but before we head into the first debate, he might have to sharpen some of his responses. >> let me read you what was wrote this weekend. there is a counter view --is th is about team trump's view about running against biden. a biden nomination would create a general election matchup to catch himself as the rl change candidate. biden would be cast as the embodiment of what voters revolted against in 2016. >> it's a real issue for the biden campaign because what -- there is two things happening for him. there is the a democrats who making this argument that you don't need just electability. you can't just go with someonu yoink will get elected.

then you have this republican, ing h is what trump is re on, which is basically like a hillary clinton argument, that he could be at the same time the future and theast as dan writes. and biden is arguing the same thing. you know, the trump ca plans to seize on things he cede so far, particularly on china. tis givesem another sort of opening to go after him. >> so do you think this is real, they think we have a way to run against biden? >> i think theywa will and see what happens in these debates and pick their opponent best on who would match up against a president. right now i think they're most worried about pete buttigieg. this is the david axelrod theory, you also elect the person most different than the person in the white house. people have panc oed him being the most interesting and the smartest guy and a military

veteran. his bestine at the california party was we cannot play it safe. we have to be as risky as possible. he scares >>trump. insofar as history is a guide here, think about democrats who have won the presidency, right? john kennedy, lyndon johnson, jimmy carter, barack obama, bill clinton. you have folks who are younger. folks promising change, folks who talk about the future and not the past. there is at risk tha joe biden becomes the bob dole of this period. a great and noble man, but you can't build bridges to the past. that's that argument. but here you go. donald trump is presidt of the united states. >> which has never happened in history. >> so all of these facts that would ordinarily guide this conversation have been blown away. >> and that's been my con senten contention. >> right. and i think that pete buttigieg

is doing something that is very trumpian, which is he's really making use of the media. i mea he'sut there. he's out fro. that's something that beto o'rourke is just starting to 's. >> th an interesting point. the question is can he get back and get close to pete buttigieg in that generational change. thank you, guys. what a grt set of conversations we had. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. remember, if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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