. this sunday, that mash shooting in virginia beach. >> shotti ins fired! shots fired! >> you just heard people yelling and screaming to get down. >> plus, the growing push for impeachment. bob mueller says clearly what bill barr would not. >> if we had confidence that the president did not commit a so. e, we would have sai >> president trump pushes back. >> i think he is a total conflicted person. i think mueller is a true never trumper. >> more than 50 democrats now calling for a an impeachment and query, but n speaker pelosi. >> we want to do what's right and what gets results.

>> also, tariff backlash. president trump's t newiff on mexico is condemn by democrats. >> it just makes no sense. i simply can't understand it. >> by business groups and many republicans, are these tariffs really aid at curbing illegal immigration or an effort divert attention from impeachment. my guests this morning, white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. beto.nd running with >> this is a campaign for america, for eryone in ic amer >> but now his candidacy seems stalled. what happened? my interview this morning with democratic presidential candidate beto to ruo'rourke. joining me kristin welker, rol lee and author andan histori john meacham.

welcome to sunday. it is "meet the press." this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. this sunday morning, we're gog to get to robert mueller's statement in a moment. but we willstart with this weekend's tragedy in virginia beach. it is sad to say, but there are almost t many mass shootings in the united states to count. together those civil servants and so 150 years of experience operating behind the scenes of just simplyehelping mak virginia beach work every day. this latest mass murder should lead to more debates about what we a a country will do about this kind of violence. but what will those conversations produce? the answer is sadly likely to be nothing. joining me now is nbc news justice correspondent pete ll wiiams. it seems the biggest history has to do with motive. >> yes. they don't really have one at this point. there is conflicting stories

about whether the gunman where, was an employee who killed his fellow employees. the majority of the victims were people in the same department that he worked in. he undoubtedly knew them. there had been recounts he had been in argue uments with him. but some people said he seemed very calm and the usual kind of guy. >> the weapons he used, everything purchased legally, but little bit different than other mass shootings. >> yeah. thee wons are two.45 caliber handguns, one of the most common weapons in america. he did have extended magazines or clips that hold the rounds that go into the body of the gun, and thatallows someone to shoot more rounds without having to reload. those are legaln every date. they're certainly legal in virginia. you mentioned the silencer. that will be key here. s first victim was sitting in a car in the parking lot. when the police department is right nearby.

if he had not had a silencer, that gun would have made a ferocious noise. secondly, when he goes into the building, many of the victims had said they didn't realize it was gunshots because it didn't sound like them. or they thought they were much farther away. that's because of the sound muffling quality of a silencer. they're legal to own if you get them registered. >> do you have to go through the same process to buy a silencer? >> no.av here you hto fill out a form, submit identification, fingerprints. you mail it into the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. they revieit. >> he did it legally? >> we don't know whether he went through what's called the registration process for it. there had been recent moves to remove these restrictions. i would think a mass shooting in which a silence you are was the

factor would be a bigger impedime impediment. >> i think you're right there. you covered way too many of . ese. >> i'll say >> thanks for coming on. turning now to the russia investigation. robert mueller never menrdoned the woimpeachment on wednesday. here's the reaction that followed. the key moment is when the special counsel said if his team felt confident the president had not committed crimes, they would have said to. muelles team did notand mueller went on national television to say they did not had two immediate implications.n e, it was a direct rebutte to president trump's no uscollion, no obstruction mantra. two, mueller's firsan perhaps last public statement on the report was seen by many as a broad hint to congress that it has an option. it's called impeachment. but mueller's late in the game appearance led many to wonder should he have spoken sooner? could he have prevented barr

from framing the public's understanding of the conclusions and what if mueller had said clearly then what he seems to be saying coily now, thathe believes president trump committed a crime. so, congress, it is your move. still, mueller has led candidates to conclude if impeachment now is the process, the time to start it is right now. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we wouto have said >> robert mueller closing the door on his own investigation and making it clear the decision on whether to take further action against the president now rests with congress. s>> the opinion s that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrregdoing. >> pdent trump responded, renewing personal attacks on mueller, including discredited conflict of interest charges.

>> i think he is a total conflicted person. i think mueller is a true never trumper. >> and now attorney general bill barr is distancing himself from the mueller report entirely. >> we didn't agree with the of the alysis, a lot legal analysis in the report. it didt no reflect the views of the department. >> mueller's public statement is accelerating calls by 2020 democrats to begin impeachment proceedings now. >> bob mueller was essentially referring impeachment to the united states congress. tothe message really is ove you, congress. >> i know the politics of this is problematic, but this is a very deeply principal, moral moment in america. >> but speaker nancy pelosi is stilling it clear she believes it is not the time. >> the report lays out instances of possiblest obction of justice by the president of the united states. >> mr. trump pivoting awayfrom the impeachment debate, has

returned to a subjec that unites his base, immigration. first teasing. >> this is a big league segment, but we are goi to d something very dramatic on the border. >> then on twitter announcing a 5% tariff ono mexicans unless migrants coming through mexico stop with the rate increasing eh month up to 25% by october. but offering no clear benchmark for success. the president has issued empty threats on immigration before. >> we're closing the border. we will close it. and we'll keep it closed for a long time. i'm not playing games. >> mr. trump i frustrated he has not been able to keep promises to his base to decrease illegal immigration. many republicans are panning the new move, calling it a misuse of presidential tariff authority, misguided and sayi thissn't the right path forward. >> why did the president blind side his own party with this? >> the pdent didn't blind

side his own party. if republicans weren't aware, then they haven't been paying attention. >> joining me now is nick mumic mulvan mulvaney. >> always a pleasure to be here. >> let me start withirginia beach. does the president believe there is a role for the federal government here. >> he does. let's start with this. i saw the lead-in you did with mr. williams. you're right. we have too o many these shootings. and every time the first thing we talk about is politics. so let's not get too deep into politics too soon. let's think about the families. >> it is not about politics. it is aboutpolicy. >> the policy is enforcement and what we're already doing. what's been lost is the ft s administration banned bump stocks. we signed a piece of legislation that fixed the background checks. we don't kn if background checks played a role here. >> we need to learn more about thisil scer situation. that seems like agi lemate

concern. >> right. but keep in mind, i'm more familiar with the situation in charleston several years ago where a guy walked into a church and shot my desk mate in the senate. we fixed that last year with this administration on a bipartisan basis. there are things the government can do and things this government is doing. but we're never going to protect everybody against everybody that is deranged and insane. so you're never going to make everything perfectly safe, but we are doing a lot better on enforcement. >> does the esident think it will be harder to get a gun now? >> the president believes very firmly in our second amendment ribets. he also eves you cannot take these exceptions. and clearly people like this are the exceptions. this is not the rule. 99.9% of people in this country are law-abiding citizens. >> a lot of our laws have to do with a who break laws, not a large number. >> you have laws on the books

that make murder illegal and yet people still d it. laws are not going to fix everything. >> all right. let me move to the tariff decision. an you explain what mexico -- what you believe the mexican government can do that it is not doing? >> sure. number one, they can secure their southern border. what's lost in the discussion about this is that most of the people coming across, on average 4,500 people came across lastt niat compared to 700 people a day. most of those people are not mexican. that border along the southern mexico needs to be secured. it is much easier to secure thar bordhan it is our border because it is so much shorter. it is a quarter of the length. the mexican government can crackdown on their domestic terror organizations. right now in mexico there is 100,000 people trying to move up into the u.s. border w they do thath the cooperation of these crime

groups. lastly, they could make mexico a safe third country. if you leave a country seeking asylum, the law says you are first to seek asylum in the first safe country you arrive. mexico is safe. the mexican government can address this. >> and they have been taking -- >> taking more, t not ough. that's part of this. >> why use a stick to bash the mexican government here? why not offer them -- why not offer them help with their southern border? why not say, you know what, the initiativeetween the u.s. and the mexican government to try to deal with the drug cartel situation, why not try moref those proposals first before coming down with a hammer. >> the next question, why right now? why do we do it so quickly? here is why. a couple days ago, a thousand people crossed in one group. let's let that sink in for a second. it wasn't 40 people crossing in 25 different places. a group of 001,0eople stormed the border outside of tijuana

mexico into el paso, texas. that's never happened before. the reason we're doing things people don't expect is because we're fnging thi we never experienced before. we're using extraordinary tools because there extraordinary circumstances that dictate those. >> again, though, it is just hammer, hamme hammer. why do you expect the mexican government to cooperate with you nt to punish them economically? the mexicans are going to think it is related. >> you assum in that question that we haven't been having those conversations with the mexicans. this came out of the blue, and that's not the case. one of the reasons you have seen them slightly increase t number of people they're taking back into mexico is because we have been working with them for over two years. >> so the reward for woing th them is slap them with these tariffs? >> when you go from 700 people a day to 4,50da people a things are going to be

different. >> okay. but let me ask the question "the wall street journal" asked, why are you putting the onus on the mexico government and not the american government? >> because the house of representatives is concerned by the democrats. they won't help us. our own government -- >> what kind of effort -- when is the last time you met with democrats on this issue. >> it was a month ago, month and a half ago. >> twice over the last four weeks. what do they do? they're on vacation this week. they left town. our own government is not helping us fix this circumstance. it's been four weeks now since "the new york times," no friend of thisiz organion, said it is time for the democrats in congress to give hhs more money to deal with this humanitarian s crisbut still no help by the democrats. >> i want to putting something here. it is from the washington post this weekend. he writes, despite his pressure tactics, unauthorized immigration at the u.s./mexican

border is at a peak. and pyongyang has resumed testing of short-range missiles, a sign that kim is growing impatient. the point is the president -- every initial id is sor of a stick, stick, stick, and it hasn't -- what results have come from that? >> that's just not true. keep in mind, we have continued a dialogue with the north koreans. i saw that quote. i just had chance to see it right there for the first time. two years ago, the north koreans were launching long-range nuclear capable missiles that we think could reach the mainland of the united states. th's not happening right now. things have gotten much better because of what the administration has gone. you now said acouple oftimes, why are we doing these things, using a carrot and a stick? we have been. sometimes u have to take extraordinary measures. >> you could have easily announced this on monday or y. tuesda was the president demanding this as a response to the mueller news cycle? >> no, absolutely not. in fact, nothing could be

further from the truth. what i told you before about that group of a thousand people crossing the border was sort of the touch stone for this. but this is something this administration has taken up. f staff n acting chief for six months. we discussioned it two or three different times. >> but it is his idea. he's been wanting to do this and everyone around him has been trying to him from doing it. >> it's not fair. you know how we work. the president comes in and says, here is the problem. re is the ideas to fix it. were there other ideas floated? yes. were there people that spoke ou- on who gave sort of the downside of doing this? yes. but that's what you want the president to hear. you want the president to hear all sides of an argument before he makes a decision. >> the president bluffed on utting down the southern border about a month ago. the uncertainty that the business community has with all this, they don't know what to make of all this. why is the president continuing to create uncertainty with the business community like this? >> the purpose of this is not to create inuncer.

>> it is. that is one of the consequences. the purpose is to fix the situation on the southern border. we tried all the ordinary things. again, i reached out almost a month ago to senate democrats we had two meetings with them to go over these issues. six months ago, nancy pelosi sat in the white house and we laid out for her why this was an emergency situation on the southern border and she said i don't believe your numbers, i don't believe your facts, i don't believe what you are telling me. under those circumstances, the ordinary things jusdon't work. >> i want to move to the president's response to robert mueller. he seems to indicate that t whole russia interference is a hoax. does the president accept the fact that russia interfered in the 2016 election in orde to help him win? >> i think the bottom line, and this got lost again this week, is that it didn't make any difference ask a lot of people to show me how you voted for and i'll show you -- >> that's not the question. >> you always try to change it to, but no votes for changed.

that's not the point. does he accept the point that russia interfered to benefit point.hich is what russia >> yes, russia did attempt to interfere in our election. there is no question. let's not lose sight of the it was the previous administration that let that happen. >> so what are you going to do? what are you going to do now? is the president going to condemforeign interference? is he going to make sure his own campaign doesn't particate in this? >> he's been doing i for two years. already been working with the states to make sure that doesn't happen again. our partment ofjustice, our dhs, have been working with states and local governments to make sure that no foreign ru government, ia or anybody, has the ability to do what in 2020 what they did in 2016.i st wish people, you know, tried to lay some of the blame where it belongs in the previous administration for letting itpp ha in the first place. >> are you confident it was nobody in the white house or a white house advanced person that made the request to the navy to cover up the "uss john mccain."

>> no, i absolutely beeve it was somebody on the advanced team. >> are there any consequences to this? >> it is hundreds of people. you know this. the fact some 23 or 24-year-old person went to that and said, oh, my goodness, can somebody look into moving it? that's not an unreasonable thing to ask? >> it's not? a u.s. navy ship that 're worried the president of the united states, it might get set off because a ship th was named for john mccain's grandfather first. >> yes, i know. >> and then father. >> we get that,yout re the third or fourth journalist who has asked me, is someone going to get fired for this? no. the person was ll meaning. >> they're well known throughout the office and through the media. but to think you are going to get fired over this is silly.

chuck is fighting with so and so. let's not sitat them together meeting. is that a fireable offense? >> that's not what you're asking. this happened here. >> this has now gotten stuck and it is just outrageous. >> i like asking thit the end. are you acting still? >> i am >> are youtill the acting -- are you not omb director or could you be without -- >> m official -- >> that's two different questions. i am a senate confirmed director still and i am inmy acting capacity of the chief of staff for the president of united states. >> do you expect to ever go back to omb?ik >> i what i'm doing now. >> as always, sir, thank you for coming on. it is always a pleasure to talk to y. more democrats calling for impeachment and query, but none of them are named nancy pelosi. throughout the morning, we will show you moments from some

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meacham. welcome all. man, you always got something really cool that you are up to. >> i've got my tam ber reen. >> let's talk about what you took away from the mick mulvaney interview. we'll get to the mccain stuff a little bit later. but specifically what youle arned about impeachment and russia. >> well, i thought it took him a long time to answer your question about whthher or not president actually thinks that russia meddled in the election and help him to get elected. you pressed him, chuck, on what specific steps are being taken by this administration to prevent it from happening again. and he was able to name some of the steps. but he couldn't point to what the president had done, what the president has said. and me andtime again when president trump has been pisssed on i pressed him in the

oval office, did you tell putin not to meddle again in the election. the president said it didn't come up. what will it look like at the g-20 summit. >> not only the president is intervening in politics, but we know h doesn't care in foreign politics. >> presidents have weighed in on various ises overseas. we saw president obama do that with brexit. >> at cameron's invitation. >> correct, yes. >> it was an invitation ofhe ader of that country. >> president trump takes that to a new level. he did it with the israeli elections d he did it here. the remarkable thing about what st's saying in the uk is it is on the eve of his e visit there. it is creating all this controversy where there was also a ton of controversy. >> you were struck by mccain. >> they said, no, it was a 22 or 23-year-old staffer. what really struck me is when you asked him were the tariffs rushed out the door to cover

mueller, said absolutely not. i believe that. the mueller report was melting like paper mee shea in the rain. i thought it was indecipherable. except the report made a conclusion, as did mueller. there is no conete evidence to charge any crime. >> insufficient evidence. >> that's a different phraseology there. >> that's a prosecutor's job. bob mueller knows leave him alone, let him finish. bob mueller knows there is no crime. so when bill barr nowow fondly as bill "the honey badger don't care" bob says there is no crime here, it is over. >> it is interesting watching mueller.w in "the nerk times" about mueller, he said nothing and the president said everything. he worked in secret allowing the president to vil the void with

reckless accusations of a witch hunt. his conclusions were encasedin legal jargon. mueller tried to have a do-over on wednesday and it lacked clarity. >> he took a mulligan and hit it in the lake. which i do a lot. >> yes. >> so i appreciate it. still three. >> no, it's true. >> with trump it would be a negative two. he would not count it. yes, we've all talked about it all week. basically you had a total clash of cultures. this was the easiest scene to write as you could imagine. you have a guy from the school of washington establishment making a very coherent, it seems to me, and responsible and asoned statement. and then you cut to across pennsylvania avenue, donald trump was tweeting. right now the tweeting is going to win out over the fact.

that's the great issue of the time. i want to play this quote from an attendee at a town hall. listen so what she said about the mueller report. >> i waspr sured to hear there was anything negative in the mueller report at all about president trump. i hadn't heard that ndbefore, a i mainly listen to conservative news and i hadn't heard anything negative about that report and president trump had been exonerated. >> fascinating mebody at the white house could look at that quote and say, huh, it's workinrk >> it's wog. and i think to some extent, the public made up its mind from the moment that barr put out the summary. ateven before the day thhe mueller report came out -- and chuck, look what happened that day, he spoke an hour and a hale before tere released.

i think it is hard to put the toothpaste back into the tube. the white house knows it. the president's attorneys know it. they're making the case the attorney general said it is time to move on, so ca to your point, what would this have looked like if muler spoke first? >> it is not just the president. i want to emphasize that legal writers and scholars esteemed in our circles as john is among historians. jack goldsmith at harvard and many others said the mueller report is exactly what a special counsel could not do, which is their job, reach a conclusion. probably the most influential conservative not serving in government was quoshd in "the waington post" as saying you ro can't psecute a president, but you can always declare that he's ccommitted a me. and mueller did not. either in the do-over orhe mulligan. s> i think it's put democrats in this uncome fokocomfortable spo. they don't know what to do.

take a listen ts. thi >> impeachment is a political act, and you cannot impeach a president that the american people want to support. >> we can't impeach him for politicalso rea and we can't not impeach him for political reasons. >> i don't want to divide this country more with a partisan impeachment. i am totally shizophrenic right now about all the different things in there. >> i think that is probably the most honest assessment of all congressional democrats. i think they're frustrated that th president denied congress. at the same time, they are aware of how divisive it is. >> you will see pelosi try to figure out where the next step goes because, you know, she'll have a monday night leadership meeting. he will then cuddle with her caucus. this is the point at which she's under the most pressure than she's been about impeachment.

and, you know, yet no one seems to know what her end claim s.gai she doesn't have an exit strategy. she has a counter strategy. let's give it timend let this play out. >> final word on this, john. >> one of the things that -- and i don't facev ers. but basically what's happening now is if you continue to raise the bar on impeachment, you are going to lower the bar on presidential lawlessness. that's the problem. >> that's probably a good way of putting it. we will pause the conversation here. when we come back, eto o'rourke joins me. as we go to break, another moment from this we k's commencement address. >> you are going to be ready to serve. you are going to be ready to leave. you are going to be aiming at you are going to be aiming at the (osamah) cancer is... the ugliest disease mankind has ever faced.

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welcome back. two politicians have made more out of a losing campaign than beto o'rourke. no democrat has won -wstatee office in texas in a quarter century. so the excitement beto o'rourke's near miss campaign generated made him a winner and it helped launch his 2020 presidential bid. but since starting with saturation television coverage, a "vanityair" cover story, you couldrgue his candidacy stalled a bit and he needs to do a better job of reaing out to a national audience. congressman, o'rourke, good to see you, sir. >> thank you verying if for hav

>> let me start with your job with the democratic electorate. what distinguishes you from the other 22 people in this field that makes you the unique best nominee that the democrats can find? ng you look at the range of historic challe that we have in health care, the economy, confronting climate before it is too late and thenhis very polarized country continuously divided bynthis presi and badly damaged democracy, my life's work has been about bringing people together and making democracy work for the largest grass roots effort our state had ever seen, won more votes in our state's history, but one independents for the first time in decades. young voter turnout was up 500%. and we didn't win, but helped to flip the house of representatives with two new members of congress.

17 african-americanomen elected to judicial positions in harris county. literally changing the face of criminal justice in our most diverse city, showing democracy can work when we show up for everyone, write nobody off and take no one for granted. we did it all without a single dime from a single political action committee. making democracy work is what it will take to defeat donald trump in 2020. >> so your pitch is you can run a better campaign, but i guess the other question is how is it that you're uniquely qualified to depot the cosetry. >> my ice in the minority, rie able to work with republicans and democrats alike to expand health care for veterans, protect public lands, work on the u.s.-mexican border to address legitimate security issues. >> inir fass, your six years

in congress were among t most contentious. you served during a very contentious period between those two. there aren't a lot of things you could say you gotone in fairness, right? >> no. i'd argue the point with you, chuck. being able to connect verans returning from service to this country after they put their lives on the line for usenwith the ml health care that they need to be able to get back on their feet and continue with their lives in theirit communs is one of the most important things i could have been associated with. one of my proudest accomplishments. being able to do that in the minority with a republican controlled congress shows that we will stop atnothing, work with anyone, any time, any where us into those who put these positions of public trust in the first place. i'm accountable to the people i serve. i listen to them. i show up. i think that's part of healing

our democracy. money.t take big this is always about people in this country making this democracy work. it's the only way. there is no one person, there is no one political party. it will take a movement. it'soing to take all of us, not st to defeat trump but thing this country together. >> i want to dive into immigration here in a second. but one last question on the state of your campaign. are you disappointed that what started out with a lot of buzz suddenly feels as if you are sputtering a little bit? and what is your explanation for it? >> i'm notin disappod. i mean, i knew this was going to be tough. this is perhaps one of the hardest things that one can do. but there are so many extraordinary people, these volunteers who are showing up, knocking on doors, making phone calls for us. the folks i meet in town hall meetings all over this country ho meet this moment with the urgency it demands, whether it is gun violence, whether it is making sur that women's

reproductive rights are protected or guaranteeing that we confront the greatest challenge we have ever faced in climate and make the generations that follow us proud because we freed ourselves on fossil fuels, embraced renewable energy and led not just this country but the world to ensure we don't warm this planet about two degrees celsius. we won't be able toli acco this in one media cycle. i'm looking forward to meeting my fellow americans who want to become part of this. >> you are one of thend caates that has rolled out of full pledged immigration plan. both you are texans. the first thing you promise to do is take executive actiono undoe things like the travel ban, deal with family separations. i am curious. how does this square when presidt obama added dapa, right, extended the ca protections to dreamers for some

of the parents. you said i strongly dislike presidents bypassing congress to achieve something they think is important to congress. theeans are hard to stomach. i know once people get elected to the presidency they love the executive power that they have. are you worried that you're gog to focus on executive power and essentially leave the immigration system vulnerable to another president? >> the critical thing is to make sure that we overturn this president's executiveon acti so muslim ban, when has a country ever banned all people of oneon religi as though they're somehow defective or violent? that cannot be us. or putting kids c ines or deporting their moms from the countries from which they fled or keeping them separated thday wio hope or prospect of being reunited. those things we must overturn on day one of ouron administrati but we will have to work with congress to rewrite this

country's immigration laws in our own image. the nine million legal permanent residents, let's make sure they become citizens a soon as possible, waive their cizen fees, mail them application forms. 11 million undocumented, start with the more than one million dreame dreamers. free them by also making them u.s. citizens in this, their true homy. countr follow our asylum laws and invest in solutions in honduras, guatemala, el salvador, reduce violence there so no family has to make that journey to our border. >> do you have any empathy? they're being overwhelmed here. they need temporary help from congress to deal with this, whether it's maybe changing the asylum law. are you at all spathetic to that? >> my empathy and my sympathy is with the families whoad have h to flee the deadliest countries

on the face of the planet who are met withhe greatest cruelty and inhumanity in this country's history. we have the skap capacity to ta care of thosmilies. >> can the city of el paso handle more and more migrants coming over the border? >> this country absolutely can do this. h wee 400,000 apprehensions last year, chuck. in the second year of the george w. bush administrion there was 1.6 million an prehenpprehensioe border. e treat people with the humanity they deserve, if we release them into a family case management program to they follow our laws at a fraction of cost, to improve our security and ensure that the asylum laws on the books are followed by this country, we will be saer, more secure, and we will be living our values. but if we follow that up by addressing theoot problems in the northern triangle, fewer

families will have to make that journey in the first place. emwe cannot meet thith walls or cages. that will do nothing to alleviate the problem. we must go to the source and show true leadership. >> unfortunately, i have to leave it there. you come back and i hope we can dive in some more as this campaign goes along. thanks for coming on and sharing your views this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you. ng a growi number of republicans say they want to see president trump get a primary challenge. why democrats shouldn't be celebrating that, at least not yet. > learn to make friends. if you can do this, imagine their your saviors. >> when i was young, i felt like a weirdo. i felt like i didn't belong. and i look around this room, and maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez!

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welcome back. data downl time. ever since president trump's campaign took off in june. is he a symptom of the changing republican party or the cause? either way, it is trump's party now. 90% of republicans say they approve of the job president trump is doing compared with only 46% of voters overall. but it may mask on underlying discontent. data in may shows that more than four out of ten republicans, 43%, would like to see mr. trump face primary challenger in 2020. that number is actually up from the same survey question just after the 2018 midterms. to be sure,f right ater the 2010 midterms, president obama faced similar headwinds with democrats at that time wanting him to be challengedn a primary. so did president bill clinton in december of '94 when 66% of democrats, believe it or not, felt that way.

of course, both went on to win another term. but the republican numbers aren't noteworthy because president trump is in danger of a realistic challenge. more important because of who these voters are. it's 54% of republican voters under 50 that want this. 52% of republicans. and 52% of republicans with bachelor's degrees. these are the types ofer vot the party has been hemorrhaging in recent years and who cost republicans control of the house in 2018 and all those suburban districts that flipped. given the small amount ofte that carried trump to victory last time, he has no margin for error in 2020. these voters are thinking about a primary challenger and hoping for a challenger. they could end up not voting at democrbut staying home on election day. and an enthusiasm gap th could be a huge advantage for the democrats. when we come back, end game a

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back now with end game. two weeks ago i warned you of what i call biden pundit whiplash. first he's done. then he's up. now apparently erybody has figured out how to beat him this weekend. not just team trump but the rest of the democratic field. listen to elizabeth warrennd pete buttigieg here with the aggressive first hits of sorts on joe biden. take a listen. >> some way if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis.e th time for small ideas is over. >> in these times, democrats can no moreep ke a promise to take

us back to the 2000 or the 1990s than conservatives can keep a promise to take us back to the 1950s. we can only look forward. s john, you can the outlines of how they are going to try to go at biden there, small ball withwarren, generational with pete buttigieg. >> it mes sense. if i was joe biden, i would say the same thing. t one of thengs that's so fascinating about what's going forward is i have been surprised that biden has come out of the gate s strongly and you wonder if the people who don't follow the stump speech, who are not o twitter basically believe biden is our guy. he's close enough to obama. fondly.mber that and these other folks are just not what we need in a knife fight with trump. i think the bidenam cpaign is trying to figure out whether to

respond to these atta as. >> i saw response this weekend. he goes, well, you guys are all on the coasts. we're in the they were in ohio this weekend. >> yeah. and what he wants to be doing is to be singularly focussed on president trump. but before we head into the first debate, he might have to sharpen some of his responses. >> let me read you whth was wrote weekend. there is a counter view -- this is about team trump's view about running agai t biden. a biden nomination would create a general election matchup to catch himselfhes t real change candidate. biden would be cast as the embodiment of whatot vers revolted agast in 2016. >> it's a real issue for the biden campaign because what -- there is two things happening . for him there is the democrats who are making this argument that you don't need just electability.

you can't just go with someone you think will get elected. then you have this republican, whicisis what trump relying on, which is basically like a hillary clinton argument, that he could be at the same time the future and the past as dan writes. and biden isrguing the same thing. you know, the trump camp plans to seize on things he cede so far, particularly on hina. this gives them another sort of opening to go after him. so do you think this is real, they think we have a way to run against biden? >> i think they will wait and see what happensn these debates and pick their opponent based on who would match up best against a president. right w i think they're most worried aboutgiete butti. this is the david axelrod theory, you also elect the person most different than the person in the white house.pe le have pancaked him on

being the most interesting and the smartest guy and a military veteran. his best line at the california party was we cannot play it safe. we have to be as risky as possible. he scares trump. >> insofar as history is a guide here, think about democrats who have won the y,presidencright? john kennedy, lyndon johnson, jimmy carter, barack obama, bill clinton. you have folks who are younger. folks promising change, folks who talk about the future and nothe past. there is a risk that joe biden becomes the bob dole of this period. a great and noble man, but you can't build bridgesto the past. that's that argument. but here you go. donald trump is president of the erited states. >> which has nev happened in y. histor >> so all of these facts that would ordinarily guide this conversation have been blown away. >> and that's been my con senten

contention. >> right.th and k that pete buttigieg is doing something that is very trumpianwhich is he's really making use of the media. i mean, he's out there. he's out front. that's something that beto o'rourke is just srting to do. >> that's an interesting point. the question is can he get back and get close to pete buttigieg in that generational change. thank you,. guys what a great set of conversations we had. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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