this sunday after the debates, two nights, 20 candidate, and moments of confrontation. >> if you did your nhomework o this issue, you would know -- >> and of candor. >> becau i couldn't get it done. >> statements of purpose. >>e need to make structural change inour government, in our economy, and in our country. >> and a shifto the left. >> raise your hand if your government plan would provide verage for undocumented immigrants. >> moments that expoed weakness. >> i agree that everybody want -- no, my time is up. >> and those th demonstrated strength. >> and that little girl was me. >> this morning, the shifting power dynamics, debating how far

left is too far, and the biggest thing we learnethis week. my guests, senator cory booker of new jersey, and former housing secretary, julian castro of texas. plus, historic meeting. president trump meets with kim jong-un at the dmz. then becomes the first sitting present to step foot into north korea, as the two sides agree to more talks. and crisis at the border. this heartbreaking photo becomes the indelible imagef desperation and despair as stories emerge of neglected children in detention i'll talk to our republican senatoreader john barrasso of wyoming. joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt, democratic pollster, white house correspondent for pd news hour, publican strategist al cardena. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in

television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. we're going to get to the big polical news of the week in moment, but we're going to begin this morning with president trump's visit with north korea's kim it was an historic first as the o agreed to resume their efforts at a nuclear agreement. >> good to see you agn. i didn't expect to meet you at this place. >> the president then walked over the border,briefly, becoming the first sitting.s. rth ident to step into rea. afterwards, mr. trump spoke to reporters. >>t's just an honor to be with you. it was an honor you asked me to step over that line. i was proud to step over the line. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is the at dm okay, richard, is this just a moment for a headline, or is there some substance to this?

>> reporter: well, a little bit of both, frankly. he went and built rapport with kim jong-un, and that is important. diplomacy, personal relationships are critical, especially when you're dealing with a country like north korea, a total one-man show.rs having a peal relationship, being able to pick up the phone, bringing him into your inner circlehi introducing to your family, showing him the love, that does matter, and it could lead to further diplomatic breakthroughs. it certainly restarts the talks after the last summit with kim jong-un t going very wellnd ending in a stalemate. so that's good. dynamism is god. ontaneity is good. there were a lot of people who criticized the previous administration because didn't know how to reach out to it. president trump is saying he's willing to break the rules. that kind of thingrk with tyrants, works with kim jong-un. he also got kim jong-un out of his comfort zone. if you look at tho image, kim jong-un seemed totally confused

to be surrounded by reporters in this ununfamiliar situation, having questions thrown at him. so all that's sitive. the negative thing is how he is spinning it. he's telling reporters, telling the wowid through ter and speeches that he saved the korean peninsula, that this regionas on the brink of war, that only he was able to sweep in,nd i think he's counting on the american people not knowing current events, not knowing that it wasn't on the brink war before he became president. it actually got a lot worse after he was elected. so he's telling the world that he saved the world when, in fact, to a degree, he's savedin th from himself. >> all right, richard. a familiar pattern, perhaps, as we've seen with other instances here. richard engel in korea for us. richard, thanks very much. now to this week's big political news and what w think we learned from the two nights alof democratic presidenti

debates. we think we learned the party's center of gravity or at least the candidates believe the party'avcenter of gry has moved sharply to the left, especially on issues like health care and immigration. we learned that kamala harris' big viral moment proved she was worthy of the hype. we learned that joe biden has no path to this nomination. he still has to earn it. we also should learn to be cautious about putting too much stock into the social media analysis and twitter chatter post-debate. people who , 64% of watch the debates on television were 55 or older. that's not exactly the social media progressive demographic. and those older viewers m be more sympathetic to biden. most of all, we learned that this nomination battle is wide open with no prohibitive favorite. in a party trying to decide exactly how far to the left it wants to go. >> i respect senator harris, but you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a

campaign debate exchange can't ime ustice to a lif committed to civil rights. > reporter: vice president biden is on defense after that bruising debate performance in w race that no appears wide open. >> agree that everybody wants -- no, no, my time is up. >> reporter: biden's apparent political vulnerabilities were on display thursday night asto sena kamala harris punctured his aura of inevitability. >> it was hurtful to he you talk about the reputations two united states senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race inis country. you also worked with them to oppose bussing. and you e know, thers a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her publ schools, and she was bussed to school every day. and that little girl wase. >> mischaracterization of my position across the board.

i did notse prai racists. that is not true. number one. number two, if we want to have this campaign litigated on who supports civil rights and whether i did or not, i'm happy to do that. >> reporter: harris has since doubled down. >> i just think he and i have a difference of opinion and also difference of opinion on state's rights. >> i never, ever opped voluntary bussing. >> reporter: the central premise of biden's campaign is he's the democrat best equipped to tide on prt trump and beat him. >> what is that first issue for your presidency? >> the first thing i would do ia sure that we defeat donald trump. period. >> reporter: biden has shown durability over months, where his record has been litigated in the press, but after the medeba, democrats are calling him a fragile front runner. >> who do you think can go upes against prent trump? >> i feel like harris definitely could. >> reporter: as the party shifts to the left, harris again found herself backtracking on the issue of government-run health care. >> who here wouldbolish their

private health insurance in favor of a government-run pla>> eporter: but after the debate, harris said she misunderstood the question. y >> do believe that private insurance should be eliminated in this country? >> no. >> you don't? >> no, i do not. >> but you raised your hand. >> the question was would you give up your private insurance for that option, and i said yes. >> reporter:he debates have showcased the party's leftward shift on the economy, health care, taxes, and national security policy, led by senators elizabeth warren -- >> calling o the names of the monopolists. >> reporter: and bernie sanders. >> we will have medicare for all. >> reporte and on immigration. >> raise your hand if yourla government would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. >> and joining me now is presidtial candidate, democratic senator cory booker of new jersey. senator, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> good to be on. great to see you on wednesday night too.ye >> it was. let me start with what happened on thursday night because i want

to hear your reaction to the back and forth between vice president biden a senator harris, specifically senator harris' critique. do you believe her critique was fair andvi accurate on the president's record? >> look, i was talking about the vice president's comments well before the debate where he used words like boy in a way that caused a lot of hurt and harm.al id him out on it. instead of coming forward and saying, i could have said that better, or let me tell you whatn i me he fell into a defensive crouch and tried to reassign blame and said i should apologize to him. whoever our nominee is going to be, whoever the next president is going to be,ds really nee to be someone who can talk openly and honestly about race with vulnerability because none of us are. perfect but really call this country to common ground, to reconciliation. i'm not sure if vice president biden is up to that task given the way this last three weeks have played out.

ankly, i know whoever is that nominee needs to be able to pull this country together because we need to reconcile. sa i want to play a quote the vice president on friday that you took some issue with on twitter. let me play that quote and get you to act on the other side. here it is. >> we got to recognize that kid wearing a hoodie may very well be the next poet laureate and not a gang banger. >> now, after your criticism on twitter,eshe vice prent's campaign put out their own statement. i want to put it up and then get you to react. vice president biden, like many leaders ov the years, was calling direct attention to the daily experiences faced by many african-american men around the country ande thrceived so-called threat from people like trayvon martin who were deemed criminal while wearing a hoodie. as the context of his remarks noted, we need to make sure black mothers fee confident when they send their ild out on the streets that they're going to feel safe. but they didn't address the use of the word gangbanger, which was the issue you had. explain.

>> again, as a guy growing up, a young black , y in americao was followed, surveilled, being peeived to be a threat, again, this is just another example of justonversations or lessons that joe biden shouldn't have to learn. there's a lot of his record from bussing t the 1994 crime bill. i was in law school when that was going on when you saw african-american men being arrested at rates that were unconscionable. i came from yale and stanford, where people were using marijuana, using drugs, but lived in a country where there's no difference between drug usage and drug selling between blacks and whites, but african-americans are almost four times more likely to beer incarced for those things. and these are very typical, painful issues to the point now that because of a lotf legislation that joe biden endorsed, this war on drugs, which has been a war on people, we've now had a 500% increase in

the prison population since 1980, overwhelmingly black d brown. there's more african-americans under criminal supervision today than all the slaves in 1850. these are real, paiul, hurtful issues. again, we need nominees that can speak to this in a way that heals, that brings people er togeththat rises us up as a country to not only deal with historic and systemic racism but tohelps us come together and deal with our common purpose and common cause. >> do you think the vice president is just incapable o that because of his record? that because of this lengthy record that no matter whether he disavows it or not, tat that disqualifies him to be the nominee for a democratic party in the 21st century? >> well, a lot of democrats thae were invol with the 1994 crime bill have spoken very hopely with vulnerability, talking about their mistakes.n' so that does disqualify you. but what we've seen from the vice president over the last

month is an inability to talk candidly about the mistakes he made, about things he could have done better, about how some of theci deons he made at the time in difficult context actually have resulted in really bad outcomes i and this a bad culture where you can't admit mistakes, where you can't speak to your vulnerabilities and your imperfections. we all have them, but when it comes to difficult issues with race, if you can't talk openly and honestly about your own development on these issues, i think it's very hard to lead our counforward so that we actually can deal with our past and rise to a betterommon cause and common future. we have one destiny in this nation. ridet now the vice pre to me is not doing a good job at bringing folks together. in fact, he's -- and i've heard this from people all around the country. he's causing a lot of frustration and even pain with his words. >> i want to ask you a larger philosophical question about the party here, which is simply this. take the issue of health care

and the question of where do you guys disagree and where do you agree. ng in from a o foreign country, you would say, everybody seems to agree on where they want to take health care. there's just a disagreement on the speed with which you guys hwould do universalalth care. but it feels like there's divide. you have tried to straddle this progressive and sort of mainstream wing of the party, trying to sell progressives everybody's got to be brought along together. where is that line for you? >> well, again, for me it's very practical. i actually was a chief executive. i had to run new jersey's largest city. i always spoke to what our ideals were, where we were going, what the destination would be, but i never let perfect be the enemy of the good, especially in communities like in newark where we ne desperately ed some good. we needed some progress. and so this, to me, is not as complicated a debate framing it. the goal that most americans hold is that the wealthiest nation on the planet earth should have everyone having

access to high-quality, affordable health care. i believe the best way to get there in this imperfect system would be medicare for all, but i also know that on day one as president, people want to see their prescription drug costs go down. people want to see a pathway to having lower health care costs. that's why putting that public option out, letting people buy in, lowering the cost of health care, these are the urgencies that i would deal with as a chief executive from my experience as a chief executive. >> senator cory booker, unfortunately, that's all the time i have. i hope to have you back sooner. we can talk more issues there. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. thank you for participating in the debates. >> thank you very much. j andning me now from san antonio is presidential candidate, former housing secretary julian castro. secketary castro, welcome ba to "meet the press." >> good to be with you. >> you had an event friday night austin, sold out, after your debate performance. be honest with me here. howmportant did you feel these first debates were going to be

for your candidacy in particular? >> very important, yeah. i knew coming in that more people were going to be watching this debate than had been tuned in to any event in the campaign so far. people had their first opportunity to start comparing candidates. i wanted to introduce myself to a lot of folks because, as you note, chuck, my name i.d. has been lo than some of the other candidates. i also think -- and i think, you know, my takeaway from it is probably the most helpful thing people saw when it comes to me and my candidacy after wednesday night is that the number one question i get asked when i talk to voters in iowa, here in texas, california, new hampshire, wh ever, is they have this kind of anxiety about the democratic nominee and whether th c nominee go toe to toe on the debate stage with donald trump. can you hold your own? what they saw was that i have a strong, compelling vision for the future of the country and that i can hold my own when i'm

challenged on a debate stage. i can go toe to w toeth donald trump. i think that's an important hurdle for voters, especially this year. >> i want to talk about your sort of signature moment inhat debate, when you went up -- you and beto o'rourke had a back and forth abou the issue of essentially decriminalizing one part of immigration law. you want to see it done. i want to get you to rct to something fareed zakaria wrote in "the washington post" earlier thiseek. ifhings continue to spiral downward in america's southern border seems out of control, trump's tough retoric and hardline stance will become increasingly attractive. the rise of populism in the western world is almost everywhere, tied to fears of out of control immigration. his point being this, that thed crats have to also have a plan to figure outhi tincrease in my grags, itimmigration.

it's happening all over the world. some of it's impacted by climate change. others, authoritarian rule. what does that plan look like in a castro administration? asked.glad you as you probably know, chuck, i was actually the first candidate in early april to put out a comprehensive immigration plan, and my first answer would be if you're out there and you're saying, whatn the world is going on? 144,000 people came to the southern border last month. i agree with you. we need to address this. but there's a smarter, more effective, and more humane way toess this. i'll give you an example of that. we've known for years that people are coming fromentral america. in 2014, we had a lot of people that also came. inhe years subsequent to at, we did too. the first thing this president should have done is what i've called for, which is 21st century plan to partner with these northernantrie countries that many of these people are coming from, whether it's honduras or el salvador or guatemala, soi people can

safety and opportunity at home instead of having to come to the united states. if i'm elected president, i'm going to goio work rt away to make sure that we partner with those countries to stem the flow of people who feel so desperate that they need to come to the united states. that's actually a smarter, long-term way to deal with this. >> let me ask you about the politics of these debates. you have some establishment democrats, some republicans licking their chops, establishment democrats wringing their hands becas e these debaesented a group of candidates who were, quote, for open borders if you decriminalize, or you could be painted as for open borders, painted as for using u.s. tax dollars to give health care to undocumented immigrants. there's concern that a president trump could exploit that to his gain. what say you? >> number one, the president is going to call democrats as being for open borders no matter what we say. nobody is talking about open

borders. we have 654 miles ofng. we have thousands of personnel at the border. we have planes. we have helicopters, guns, boats, security cameras. states like texas, my home state that i'm in right now, spent an extra $800 million on border security. that's just a right-wing talking point. what we're talking about is maintaining a secure border but oing things like that 21st century plan so we can actually stem the flow of people here because they can find safety and opportunity at home. we're talking about creating an independent immigration court system with more judges and more support staff so that we can actually get these claims, asylum claims resolved and people are not waiting in the united states in limbo for years and years. so if you're somebody who's out there who is concerned about what's happening, i understand that. i'm sang that there's smarter, there's a more effective way to do this that's also more humane than what we're doing today. >> before i let you go, curious of you reaction to senator

harris' criticism ofen vice presid biden's record in the '70s, particularly on the issue of bussing.s i'm curiou of your reaction to it and whether you thought senator harris was bringing up a relevant point. >> oh, of course. i think that's relevant. i think the record of all of th candidates thae running, including vice president biden's record, is relevant. and his stance on bussing is relevant as well. i thought that, you know, his -- what i took as his position being that he alled local communities to make a decision, essentially relying on states' rights. have to he's going t continue to explain why that was rygood position because, you know, we've had painful history in this country of trying to desegregate communities. when i was at hud, one of the ings i most proud of is we

passed the most ground breaking rule since the fair housing act in 1968 to furthe help desegregate americanit communs. so that pain is still there in this country, and he's going to have to address that not only in the debate, but i think going forward. >> julian castro, former housing secretary, former mayor of san antonio, thanks for coming on, sharing v yourws. thanks for participating in the debates. >> good to be with you. when we come back, the fallout from the debates and just how far left ca democrats goithout damaging th w thank you is what we say. but we mean so much more. we mean how can we help? we mean what can we do? we mean it's our turn. to do our part. to serve you, for all you've done to serve us.

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from the day you're born welcome back. panelists here. republican strategist al cardenis, nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt and democratic pollster cornel belcher.

yes, if you're wondering, there are three miami natives. >> i'm the odd man out. >> all right. cornel, this is yo you get the first word. what did we -- take a step back here. reat do we now know that we didn't know befohe debates? >> i think we now know that we have a lot of diversity in the party but also a lot of people who are putting forth policy ideals. for me, it was largely a debate about policy, even the exchange between kamala and biden was largely about a policy about bussing. i think you also -- look, for me, some candidates moved the bar, yes. i think senator harris moved the bar. i think she gave joe biden a punch, and he didn't react very well t it. >> no, he didn't. >> i think she -- i think a lot of voters are now looking at her differently than they at her before, and that's what you want to do.

we talked about having a moment in the debate. h senator harr a moment in the debate, and i think over the next two months, you will see her poll num begin to rise. i predict, chuck, she's going to be the next front runner. although, i think we'll have four or five before it's over. >> that's interesting. here's what ed kilgore wrote in "new york" magazine. two,is possible complacency as the early front runner. and three, his heavy dependence on african-amecan voters for his current lead and clear vulnerability on racially sensitive issues. this is probably the more impoant takeaway. >> they're all great points. i do think it's that big picture. it's everything taken together about what we saw with joe biden standing on that stage. thisdea that he's almost been running a hillary-esque campaign where he's brun the front er. he hasn't wanted to appear on the same stage with a lot of his rivals frequently.

he's doing a lot of these high-dollar fundraisers making comments where taken outside of the context of that room, the voters focused on populist policies, his comments don't quite sound right. all of those questions underlying this, tt people are not, you know -- we're a little reluctant to push it into the center. the president has been using ticism that basically the vice president has lost a step. every single thing the campaign and that the candidate in joe biden does that feeds into that is a pro for them. >> here's what michelle goldberg wrote. there was a universal consensus that kamala harris dsdove on thur, scoring a blow against biden. the question is whether these victories can convince battle scar women. >> i think what we learned this week is that exchange between kamala harris and joe biden was really, i think, at the core of what the democratic party is mulling over. she started that exchange by saying the only black woman on

the this stage, i want a minute to talk about race. i think what she was doing there was putting her race at th center in a way that sometimes people are worried about candidates doing but putting her actual personal story out there. by doing that, she did something joe biden couldn't compete with. it wasn't that he didn't have an answer. he can't say, i was a little girl on that bus. when you watched himet try to g the story right and try to get his explaining right, over the last couple days, they haven't been able to get it right. the aides that i talk to understand that a lot of that is strugglingy're still with this idea that he has these quotes. he called bussing an asinine policy, a liberal train wreck. to add to that, these are issues that are still going on right now. a study done just last year showed there were black and brown students who are increasingly attending racially segregated this isn't an issue from the 1970s but an issue going on right now. >> al, bigger picture here. david brooks wrote something

friday that might ring true. the debates illustrate th dilemma for modern democrats. if they take on progressives, they get squashed by the intensity of the left. if not, the partymoves so far left that it can't win in the fall. right now we have two parties trying to make moderates homeless. as someone who's been a trump skeptic -- >> yeah, great questio for me. in the eyes of someone who was looking for a possible alternative to donald trump. >> somebody you want t support. >> right. and so who said things that i kind of likes? amy klobuchar, mike bennett, maybe even congressman joan delaney. after the end of the two debates, i said to myself, that stuff got nowhere. so yeah, there were a tewngs said that i could find an option for, but it didn't -- man, it didn't make any ground. right now if tdis was the inapolis 500, you know who the three candidates in the front row are, the threees candidn the seconds row.

all of my candidates are in the back row. no one really made a splash. >> can i go in on this? this annoys me to no end. all respect to brook we don't need you, right? we don't need you. we need to rebuild the obamaio coalit when you talk about who's boblematic -- and this is my problem with joeen, my fear with joe biden that he's hillary 2.0. i sat in focus group rooms with younger voters of color. they brought up the super predator stuff with hillary clinton. they said, weou cannot -- y know, they're not going to make the binary choice between the lesser of tw evils. i think the problem with joe biden is he becomes hillary 2.0. we need the candidate th can inspire those young people and rebuild the obama coalitionbu ilt on young people and expanding thect eleate, not going back to the 1992 campaign again. >> my sense is they need both of those things. they need what cornell talking about, but they also need some of these twice obama,

once trump voters from these midwestern states. the question is who can thread that need the. the question for biden is can he electrify those people that cornell is talking about. i see little evidence. >> not if you have to talk about bussing at every debate. th is no way to elect. see a trump skeptic, i this campaign shaping up% into two 40ses talking past each other. that middle is going to be a forgotten middle. i don't see any energyn ihe middle in either party. i don't think any campaign strategy is going to be based on appealing to the middle. i think this is going to be a base turnout campaign, and i don't know if these debates are going to change my minds. to someone like me, that's disappointing, but it's fact. >> personality is going to matter immensely. the idea you're just going to ten against donald trump on policy is absolu liudicrous. one thing kamala harr demonstrated is she married her chops as a politician with smarts withper sonality, and it really showed.

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welcome back. there are some tagesat become indelibly linked to an event or moment. this week that heartbreaking photo of a father and his 23-month-old daughter who drowned trying to cross the rior grande. congress passed a humanitarian aid package for the border. it was a vicryof sorts for senate republicans. joining me now, the nuer three republican in senate leadership, john barrasso of wyoming. welcome back to "meet the press." h>> thanks foring me. >> that photo. >> sad, tragic. >> is there anybody to blame for this death? how do we prevent this?

why didn't we prevent this? >> i'm a father. i'm a doctor. you never want to see this. we see this -- i think ians very importthat is published. the thing is that there are many more dying just trying to get to the united states, taking that very long and dangerous -- i don't blame anyone for this. we have a system incentivizing people to take a long, dangeroul trip where peo are getting trafficked, raped, murdered, used for trafficking drugs. we need to stop the incentives that tell people if you get oure, we're going to keep you here and give y more things. we need to do -- and look, there's bipartisaninegislation rogress with lindsey graham and dick durbin to try to seay, let's have people whwant to come here for asylum apply from where they are. let's make sure children can stay with families a longer riod of time so we can

adjudicate some of these thing there's actually bipartisan progress being made, but we had to take eight weeks to get a bipartisan humanitarian relief bill passed because some people aresaying it's a manufactured crisis. this is a real humanitarian crisis. >> but are you now -- are you now convinced that you can't enforce your way out of this crisis? because right now it does seem as if the trump administration thinks if they just tighten the screws, if they just make it harder t'here, i slow the flow. it hasn't slowed the flow. it's only increased it. they thought family separation was going to woat. thidn't work. do they now -- do you not know that jforcement only isn't going to stop this? >> yes, you have to enforce the law. you cannot just ignore the law. but you have to eliminate some of these incentives that are pulling people to take unnecessary, very dangerous risks. >> so why get rid of the aid in central america? talk about an incentive, disincentive. if you take away all that aid,

these countries can't do anything about the horrible conditions there. >> if you take a look at some of those countries, even if you were to increase the aid, there's av belief that i h that it would actually get fully used. there's corruption there. you need to do a better job with disincentivizing people to come to the united states by allowing them to apply for asylum se elere, by trying to treat specifically the young children who are coming he unaccompanied. no matter what country they come from, they ought to be treated the same. >> now, the house democrats passed a bill, their version of the bill. they had basically stricter standards on how the money was to be used. the senate rejected those new standards. why? why do you trust this administration to use the money as it's intended to do when and heappropriated money has said, forget it, national emergency, i don't care what you're telling me?

why shouldn't yorawant more paters on how this money is spent? >> well, the snaenate passed a bill 84-8. talk about bipartisan legislation. in your long history, how often do you see something pass 84-8? at was the humanitarian aid, also to give folks at the border resources. it was the right bill, and to have that held upy the far left democrats in the house, who tried to boycott it, i think is wrong. >> but they held it up for reasons -- look at what's going on in homestead. number one, why are we giving money to a private contractor to run something that we don't -- we're not able to, because it's a temporary facility, it doesn't ll under the same regulatory standards as a government facility would. turns out that's a big problem, not a small one. >> 84-8 in the united states senate shows significant bipartisan agreement with this being the solution for the humanitarian relief -- >> you're comfortable letting

this private prison -- or these private prison companies run these private shelters? >> i'd rather have the government and governdent fug approaching all of these things, making those -- we have to cut down incentives, but the problem, as you know, is getting worse. there have been more detentions, and it's still june, this year f last year, all 12 months. the numbers are getting worse. the red lights are flashing. we have to do more to prevent people from t takingse dangerous journeys to the united states with the promise of free health car if they get here. if you get here, you get to stay because you never have to show up for a ndhearing, aou get to stay in the united states and you will not be removed. i think the incentives are asking pple take dangerous journeys, which result in such a sad and tragic loss of life. >> i want to go back to this situation in homestead. this company's profiting off of this crisis. should any entity be profiting ndf this crisis? >> no, a you know more about the situation in homestead than

i do, but no, people shouldn't be profiting. >> so why allow this facility to even stay open at this point? if they haven't been able to -- if they are treateding kids tin poorly, why arey going to get more government aid? ut>> this talks abo the need for actually getting this bill passed. it took us eight weeks to getao point where we could get an agreement that this is truly a humanitarian crisis,ot just a manufactured crisis. so it's taking a long time to get that buy in.we eed bipartisan solutions. i've been working with ron johnson on a solution through homeland security. there's bipartisan efforts. we need actual solutions that will work, that will provide relief, but will also make sure that the incentives are removed of people trying to come here under these c>>cumstances. ll right. i want to talk about the president's trip overseas. a bit of a cease-fire, if you will, on the trade talks between china and the united states. but part of that cease-fire was the president nowto agreeing

let huawei, the telecommunications company in china, to buy materials from u.s.ie compan and here's what marco rubio put on twitter. if president trump has agreed to rerse recent sanctions against huawei, he's made a catastrophic mistake. it will destroy the credibility of his administration's warnings about ye threat posed b the company. no one will ever again take them seriously. he presented it as if he was hoping it wasn't true. true.out this i how concerned are you about this? >> very concerned about huawei. i think they are a threat to our t tional -- >> so the presidende a mistake? >> i think huawei is a threat to the national security of america. i know the president is a deal maker. he is workingt on s. i would not allow huawei certainly into our country. he's making decisions about what our country and companies can sell overseas to huawei. to me, huawei in the united states would be like a trojany horse read to steal more information from us >> so i assume then you don't even want this then, right? what the president did, you

believe, is a mistake? >> i believe the cease-fire with trade with china was important. we need more trade. we have product in wyoming. we want to sell overseas in terms of energy, in terms of beef. >> but this trojan horse is now ck. is that worth it? >> the president said that would be the last discussion point of the discussion on trade. let them work through the other parts of this. but to me, huawei should not be in the united states.t >> so doesn' it concern you the president is not ruling it out? >> it does concern me, yes. >> okay. all right. senator john barrasso, thanks for coming on and sharing your views. >> thanks for having me. when we come back, the democratic candidates seem democratic candidates seem convinced the party's voters a democratic candidates seem convinced the party's voters a so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.rkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first

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another place. here's president trump at a meeting with angela merkel. >> i saw that health care andhe maximum th care was given to 100% of the illegal immigrants coming into our country by the democrats. unfortunately, they couldn't discuss what they're goiving to american citizens. in fact, i heard a rumor that they're going to change the name of the party to the socialist party. i'm hearing that.se let's if they do it. >> this is who donald trump is. this is our president. this is so bizarre and unusual that a sitting president of the united states is going to trash the opposition party in the united states on foreign soil. i just find this -- like, again, for the long list of if obama had done it, what would the reaction have been on the right? i mean, are you -- where's the outrage? >> yeah and you know, that was an outrage to me.

one of the greatest outrages was that photo on the front page of every newspaper. while everyone was waving, he was shaking thend ha of the crown prince of saudi arabia. then of course, i think he got played when he walkedver the line in north korea without anything to show for it. that was my view of that trip. i was hoping -- well, one good thing about the trip, to be fair, was his conversation with the chinese premier. i think everyone in america was happy that they decided to continue talks and set aside the tariffs for theoment. >> let me, though, go to the other weird moment. that was the medal moment. i'm not a talkiut any olympic medals. i'm talking about meddle between the president and mr. putin.

we had that. al brought up the crown prince. by the way, mitt romney, i want to put that tweet up. the president's prai for mbs, the man who u.s. intel says ordered the heinousmurder of a "washington post" columnist. this is the undercurrent of this entire trip, meeting with authoritarian figures.si bally wink and a nod to putin, wink and a nod to mbs. >> it's the undercurrent o entire presidency. he likes strong men. this idea he can't deal with even talking about russia meddling in our elections because he feels personallythat it gets to his illegitimacy as a president and what peoplethink will be his illegitimacy as a president. think about president caf er saying issia didn't help president trump, he wouldn't be president. i think that gets to the core of his fear of why he doesn't like talking wout this and he's sided largely with russia instead of the intelligence community. i think the reason there ist more outrage is because mitt

romney is one of the only republicans talking about this and because people have kind of gotten used to this. i was in london when there are all these times where the president is clearly focused on other things and bashing democrats all the time when he's abroad. >> kasie, this flirtation with putin, you know, a nancy pelosi tries to keep these house democrats from rushing to the impeachment gate, every day the president tries to incentivize democrats to rush to the impeachment gate. >> it's a bitas onishing. we didn't even show the point where he talks about american journalists being a problem. >> with putin. >> with vladimir putin. >> if i put all of that stuff up, we'd never be ableal to t >> they literally imprison and murder journalists in putin's russia so i think that's astonishing. and yes, this is one of the things i feel like we didn't necessarily get e explanati we were hoping for from the mueller report to explain the president's behavior towards it may be as simple as, you

know, he doesn't want anything to shed any doubt on his own personal election, and that's all it's really about for him. but every time something like this happens, you have to go back to wondering why. >> look, do you use it in a campaign? do you not? because it's weirdly both baked in and shrugged. >> from earlier, what do you say to moderates, this is why democrats are going to do well with moderates. this is why, quite frankly, you look at theuburbs in 2018, why so many went from red to blue. this is why. there's nothing about who this guy is from a value standpoint and from an action standpoint that makes middle of the road moderate voters comfortable. look, democrats won 9 million more votes in 2018 than publicans. it wasn't just because people fell in love wi democrats. you have a real problem with him at the top of the ticket. >> seaking of other issues

here, not just his flirtation with authoritarian figures, the allegation by this woman, speaking again of a shrug, these allegations appear more credible every day.ar more people e confirming her account from that time. and yet, it is just met with, again, i don't want to say a shrug because that's too dismissive, but there't doesn seem to be outrage, concern, particularly among republicans. i mean, is he a serial -- it comes across that hee might b a serial sexual predator. >> it's numbness. one of the things we've all been watching is what's really going to be the appetite about impeachment. will these debates be persuasive to the house members, to the democratic leadership to commence it? because impeachment is not just about e muell report or obstruction of justice.

impeachment can be about any possible charge, as it happened with bill clinton's articles at that time. so i think that t house leadership needs to deal with these questions. once you get into an impeachment mode, these things become much more serious. but right now, there could be five more allegations. i don't think it'll matter one hoot in terms of public opinion. >> i don't think the women of america are shrugging at this. i just don't. >> i think you're right. >>ust because the institutions and perhaps the media are not treating this in an elevated way does not mean people do not kno abou. >> one in three women are sexually assaulted. i think that there are a lot of women in this country who have told me personal, i won't hold this president to a standard higher than my uncle or my father or my husband. that, to me, is troubling. >> that's all we have. al, sorry to cut you off. i'm really up against theit clo. all i got. thank you for watching. have a happy fourth of july holiday. i hope to see you next week because if it's sunday.

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