this sunday, the democratic presidential race. >> that's a themerica we believe in. >> we have a chance to do this. >> and i got a plan for >> our brand new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, who's up, who's down, and our first look at how the candidates' fare against president trum >> we have a president who is undermining democracy. >> my guest this morning, senator bernie sanders of vermont. plus, those immigration raids start today. >> we take those people out, and we take them out very legally. >> as democrats and republicans argue over how to handle the border crisis. >> what will we say to this

generation of children and parents we neimprisofor seeking safety? we should be the ones begging for forgiveness. >> we do notyw get anre by blaming the people who are doing their best to help these people. >> i'll talk to republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin. and america's newest hero. >> we have to be better. we have to love more, hate less. we got to listen more and talk less. >> megan rapinoe joins me to talk about the u.s. women's world cup win, her fight for equal pay, and why she won't go to the white house to celebrate. joining me for insight and analysis are, nbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson, former republican congressman carlos curbelo of florida, former democratic senator claire mccaskill of missouri, and tim alberto from politico magazine. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news, the longest running show in

television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. we're getting our first clear look at where the race for the democratic presidential nomination actually stands and where th candidates stand against president trump. ere are our first head-to-head matchups of the 2020 race in our new nbc news/"wall street jourgil" poll of reered voters. we have bernie sanders with a healthy lead sitting at 50% to president trump's 43. going down the line, elizabeth warren up five but under 50, 48-43. kamala harris is essentially tied with mr. trump. as you can see there, while the democratic numbers do change dependg on the candidate, president trump's numbers essentially match his job approval rating, which in this poll is right in line wher with he's been at 45%. in the democratic race for the nomination, joe biden is still on top despite his shaky debate performance followed by a surging elizabeth warren.

kamala harris, bernie sanders, and pete buttig g round oute top tier. and yes, ladies and gentlemen, that is your top tier. sorry to everybody else these atys. looking he rest of the field, only andrew yang and beto o'rourke reach 2%. there's a real prospect that the remaining one percenters won't even qualify for th third debate in september and will be forced out of the race. ultimately, the real story of our poll is two separate anddi inct races are emerging on the democratic side, each defined by the magnitude of change voters are looking for. there's the small change, get things done, restoration sidete represenby joe biden. and the big change, take risksh side tt favors elizabet. warr >> we need big structural change in this country. get rid t know why we of what, in fact, was working and move to something totally neep >> rorter: it's a tale of two primary electorates. 41% of democrats in that new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll seek smaller scas policiehat cost less, may be easier to

pass, and bring less change. 35% of those voters pick joe biden, who leads the field among them by double digits. >> but i'm not naive. it's not some old-fashioned wayg of doing this that no longer exist. it's the only way our system is rsupposed to >> reporter: the other 54% of democrats want larger-scale policies and major change. those voters pick elizabeth warren. again, by double digits. >> you want to make change? we're notdo going to this by getting one statute over here, a couple regulations over there, maybe a better secretary over here. it's not going to work that way. >> reporter: while biden does best among moderates and a servatives, warren holds substantial lead among liberals, now outpacing rival bernie sanders, whois competing for the same voters. >> these are not radical ideas, but we need to rally the american people by the millions. that's what i mean by a political revolution. >> reporter: the fight betweene tability and progressive purity is playing out as democrats debate how to take on donald trump.

>> you've been awakened, awakened by donald trump. let's talk about that genius for a second. >> i don't think you fight by getting up every da and talking about donald trump. i don't. this is our chance to talk about our vision for ramerica. orter: and argue over issues like health care. >> a medicare for all, single-payer system. >> i think that we should not be scrapping acobamare. we should be building on it. ls reporter: a battle is ao playing out in congress, wre tensions between house speaker nancy pelosi and four freshmen demoalats who have ced themselves the squad boiled over after they voted against a border aid bill theyrgue empowers president trump. pelosi told maureen dowd, all these people have their public whatever ander their twitt world. but they didn't have any following. >> it wasn't dismissive. it was a statement of fact.ho they were four argued against the bill, and they were the only four who voted against the bill. all i said was nobody followed their lead. >> reporter: congressman alexandria focasio-cortezired

back, criticizing pelosi's singling out of newlyme elected won of color. >> how do you respond to criticism that you're playing the race card with nancy pelosi? >> that's stupidly untrue. >> reporter: given these divides, can any one democrat build a coalition, bridging the distance between the party's two groups of voters? amala harris, among others, is trying, criticizing biden and warren, though not by name. >> i'm going to tell you, that's why i'm not churning out plans ke a factory. because it is really important to me that any plan that i'm prepared to implement is actually doable. >> and joining me now is presidential ndidate bernie sanders, the independent senator from vermont running as a democrat for this campaign. senator sanders, welcome back to "m st the press,". >> good to be with you, chuck. >> it's fascinating in our poll. i think about your candidacy from 2015 and sort of your come from nowhere, insurgent candidacy. here y have changed the democratic party. a majority of democrats want

big, substantive, transformational change. ho frustrating is it to you that right now among those voters, they're picking elizabeth warren right now and not you? >> wel that's in your poll. >> i understand that. >> there are three other polls that came out in he last week or two that had us in a strong second place. and let me tell you something, chuck. let me tell you why to win the democratic nomination and beat donald trump. that is that the working class of this country is sick and tired ofonworkingr hours for lower wages. threee sick and tired of people in america owning more wealth than the bottom half of america. ick and tired of 50% of american workers living paycheck to paycheck and being the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people. that is why we're going to this election. >> well, as i was saying, i feel like message-wise, you're winninthergument. voter-wise, you still have a ways to go. you know, why you and not elizabeth warren? what would yousay to those

democrats that want these transformational changes? they look at the two of you and y, yes, there are a few differences here and there, but they're both advocating that big transformational change. >> well, you know, elizabeth is a good friend of mine, and all i can say is the following. what people understand is that for decades now, there have been great speeches, greatle slation, great plans about how to move the working class of this country forward. and yet in the lst 30 years, unbelievably, the top 1% has seen a 21% increase -- $21 trillion increase in their wealth while the bottom half have fallen even further behind. in other words, what we need in this country is a mass movement of millions of people, which i am prepared to lead as president, to take on wall street, to take on the drug companies who are ripping us off every single day, to take on the insurance companies, to take on the fossil fuel industry, whicht

is lally destroying this planet. what we need is a political relution, and i think i am the only candidate who has been clear about that, who has the capability of doing that, and defeating donald trump in the process. >> you're getting a lot of advice these days from a lot of friends. "the new york times" story w earlier thisk was filled with a lot of it. i want to show you an excerpt. a deeper challenge confronting his aides and sporters after nearly four decades of running and usually winning, iconoclastic campaigns on his own terms, he is deeply reluctant to change his approach. and you've had a lot of -- these are people very much supporters of you who are saying it sounds too much like 2016.o you have t rejigger things a little bit. be more personable. how are you accepting this advice? >> well, ok, two things. people say, bernie, you know, you're repetitious. you are talking about the rich getting richer and 40 million people living in poverty. you are talk abouting so many old people who cannot afford

their medicine and so forth. you know what, chuck? here's a promise i will t make you. when the poor get richer and the rich get poorer, when all of our people have health care as a right, when we are leading the world in the fight against climate change, you know what, i will change what i am saying. so it's not me that's being repetitious. it is what is goingon in society continues to favor the people who have the wealth and the power while all over this country people are working two or three jobs. and i understand it. i keepme hamng away at that issue because i believe that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we don't need 45 million people struggling with student debt. those are the issues int will coue to talk about, and those are the issues we'll win >> i'mcurious of what you on. make of what's happening in the house of representatives on the democratic side. because it does feel a bit like it's sort of insider/outsider. alexandria ocasio-cortez, who was aolunteer in your campaign, was very upset with

nancy pelosi and said, when these comments fird, starte kind of thought she was keeping the progress i have flank at more of an arm's distance in order to protect more moderate erstood. which i u but the persistent singling out, it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful, the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color. is this part of this biggdi uption you helped lead four years ago where the party is just having growing pains? what do you make of this dispute? >> chuck, this is what i think. it goes without saying that the future of our country and the future of the democratic party rests with young people. and i'm very oud, by the way, in virtually every poll that i have seen, we are winning people under 45 or 50 year age and younger. >> you do well of younger voters in our poll as .ll, ye >> okay. and what axandria and other young women and women of color are saying, we have got to reach out to young people. we have got to heal the pain of the working class of this

country. and that is causing someti polil disruption within the leadership of the democratic party. and let me give you one example where i am very concerned. i ve helped lead t effort to expand community health centers in this country. right now there's legislation in the house, the democratic house, to cut community health centers by 20%. unacceptable. so i support, you know, alexandria's and the other women's desire to bring more people, especially younpeople, working class people, into the democratic party. that is the future of the democratic party. >> do youink she's being too tough on them? >> i think a little bit. you cannot ignore the young peoplef this country who are passionate about economic and racial and socnml and envirotal justice. you got to bring them in, not alienate them. >> i'm curious. you're one of seven senators running. we have this crisis at the border, unsustainable conditions, and now even republicans are saying they

think these conditions need to change. what could you guys do right now in the senate? what do you think y could do now in the senate? i know you have plans to do something if you're elected president, but what do you plan on doing in the senate in the next couple weeks? >> well, the immediate crisis is that we cannotbe separating children from their parents. you cannot be having unsanitary, disgraceful conditions in which women and children and people are living. this is the wealthiest eountry th. we can make sure that if people travel a thousand miles with their children, while they're awaiting the asylum proceedings, they are treated with respect and dignity and as huma. beings >> is there something more, though, that you could do, band together almost as a presidential caucus and try to demand some of these chges? it seems as if it's a lot of rhetoric, but what could you guys bring from the campaign trail? >> well, i think we can raise consciousness about this issue

and understand that desperate people who are fleeing violence in honduras and other countries with their little these are not criminals. these are desperate people who deserve to have an asylum process and to be, if possible, not detained at all.it go wtheir relatives and friends while awaiting proceedings. at the end of the day, chuck, we have got to do what the american people want,nd that is comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship for 11 million undocumented. we need to provide immediate legal status for the dacaa program and humane border policy. >> senator sanders, i'm going to leave it there for now. thanks for coming on and sharing your views. stay safe on the trail. >> okay. thank you. take care. >> thank you. now joining me from the other united the aisle in the states senate, senator ron johnson of wisconsin. welcome back to the show, sir. >> good morning, chuck. >> let me start with the vice president's visit with some senate republicans down to a

couple of centers there, one of them the pool reporter traveling with the vice president described a horrendous stench when they walked into the facility. the vice president himself said this was tough. we've heard a lot more republicans acknowledge the conditions here in these facilities are just unsustainable. okay. where do we go from here? are you comfortable wi this situation? >> oh, absolutely not, which is why i was supporting the emergency funding measure for months for democrats finally decided to cooperateth and gran $4.6 billion or vote for the $4.6 billion in funding. that's just a first step. but chuck, the problem is the uncontrolled, the overwhelming flow of people coming into this country illegally. in may alone, 4600 people per day. came down a little bit in june to about 3500 people per day. on average, it's been over 2800 people per day for this fiscal year. so again, let me put this in contt.

since 2014, that was the humanitarian crisis year that president obama called a humanitarian crisis when 120,000 people came in this country illegally, either unaccompa child, but primarily part of a family. the last five years, nine months, 1,086,000eople have come in and been. apprehend 1,086,000 people, about half of those have come in the last nine months alone. so it's overwhelming our system, and the goal of our policy should be to reduce that flow. rn it into a legal process. there's a number of things we can do. one of the things we have to do isha raise t initial bar in terms of claiming asylum. hopefully set up centers in guatemala, in central america so status.an claim refugee but this is completely out of control. >> senator, there seems to be

that enforcement -- thent's an argumehe extra enforcement issues, the get-tough measures the president has tried is actually encouraging more migration. let me read you a clip from ricardo salinas. the people ofme central aca are left with a stark choice. endure growing instability, poverty, and intensifying violence as part of the failed dr war or flee now before the border is closed completely. the rapidly rising numbers of limilies and unaccompanied minors who are wil to risk their lives to make the perilous journey north, even knowing that detention and separation await, speak of the increasing desperatisn. i mean, th seems to be -- we're talking about the border when the real core of the problem we're doing nothing about, if anything, the president took money away from central america. >> first of all, chuck, yeah, there is some short-term detention, but we're in full catch and release. people aren't being detained for ch more than, at most, probably a couple weeks. so we're in full catch and release. there was a survey done by the association of research and social studies in kwaguatemala t said a third of guatemalan

intended to migrate to the unit states. a gallup poll showed 42 million people in latin america want to migrate to the united stat c. we't take all comers. we have to have a legal system, primarily designed toward working with ourtoconomy get people in here to work so we can continue to grow our economy. this is completely out of control. again, the goal of our policy toould be to reduce the flow of people coming in this country illegally and turn that into a legal flow. >> i understand that, but you don't believe coming up with some sort of better plan for central america might actually be the best way to decase the flow? >> well, that is a very long-ter solution. it's given rise to drug cartels, done great harm to the public institutions of central america. there's no doubt about it, we bear responsibility. that's not going to fix this problem in theere and now any time soon. i certainly want to see money flow to make sure we can safely return people. i'mde working withcrat

colleagues on a pilot program called operation safe return where can rapidly and more accurately determine those families that clearly don't have a valid asylum claim, andri majo of them don't, and safely return them to central america. that will require some u.s. funding as well. there are also humanitarian organizations who are willing to facilitate that, but we have to consequence. in 2005, when a surge of brazilians were brought in, they reduced the flow in 90 days. that has to be our first step, reduce the flow, then work long-term with central ameri to improve conditions down there. >> i want to turn to a little bit of politics. there's a book out called "america carnage" by tim alberta. there's some interesting pesl ryan quot i'm curious of your reaction. here's the excerpt. for a long stretch of the 2016 campaign, paul ryan refused to accept trump's take over the gop. he traversed the stages of grief. denial, no way trump can win.

anger, i called him a racist. and depression, this is fatal, he told reince priebus. before finally coming to terms with it. this resistance was grounded in a basic belief that the republican party was still his party. looking back, ryan says, he should have known better. you know wisconsin. you know ryan. you know trump. what do you make of this dispute? is this personal? is this a misread of where the party is? and where do you fit? >> well, i consider paul ryan a friend. i've got a good working relationship with the president. i've always abided by the ronald reagan 11th commandment. i think we do need to realize, as republicans and conservatives -- >> president trump d't abide by that. >> we need to hang together here. so i think we've accomplished a t of good things the last few years. we have more competitive tax system. that's produced more than 3% growth. ten times higher business investment. that's going to grow our economy in the future. again, from my standpoint, i'd like everybody to get along beuse we need to preserve this

country, this marvel of the american economy and model of freedom. >>o you think president trump's criticism of speaker ryan and his speakership is warranted? well, again, i would prefer that we all understand that the opponent in this political struggle are democrats and their growing socialism and what they would turn america into. so we need to hanghe toget i'd prefer nobody criticize each other on our side. >> all right. senator ron johnson, republican from wisconsin, i'm going to leave it there. thanks for coming on and sharing your vi much appreciated. >> have a great day. >> when we come back, thosemi imation raids starting today and the as a small business owner, the one thing you learn pretty quickly, is that there's a lot to learn. grow with googles here to help youde with turning ias into action. putting your busess on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. so, in case you're looking, we've put all the wapl we can help in one ace. free training, tools, and small business resources

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claire mccaskill of missouri, hallie jackson, and t alberta, author of "american carnage." tim, welcome and congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> let me start before we get to some of that intramural politics in the republican party, i want to start with the i.c.e. raids happening today. here's what a couple mayors have said. the president said they are welcoming this. >> this fear mongeringnd making immigrants scapegoats and really disrupting families e o arst here trying to live their life, that's not who we are or should be as americans. >> there's an idea being created not just in our immigrant community but with anyone who has compassion and concern for human beings. >> and of course, the president is sort of bragging about these raids. here's what he said about it. >> so if the word gets out, it gets out.

it starts on sunday, and they're going to take people out and they're going b to bring thck to their countries or they're going to take criminals out, put them in prison, or put them in prison in th countries they came from. we're focused on criminals as much as we can before we dong anythi else. >> this is -- if you cared about this, why would you tell people? >> because the president likes talking about this. he knows it plays well with his base. cue the president's tweets to when he srts goingfter democratic mayors for talking negatively about his i.c.e. raids. there are people in the administration saying this has been grossly mismessaged. it's a concern, i think, for some people in the white house. >> tim, immigration in your booki mean, it is probably the greatest sort of fissure point in the republican party. >> that's right. and hallie have talked about

this before. to use a basketball term, the president sees immigration as a high percentage shot. it's a slam dunk for his base. the problem is that we know, for a fact, that there were a lot of suburban traditional eupsc republicans who voted for trump in 2016, who voted for a democrat in 2018. a lot of them did view immigration as that fissure point that begins to split the republican from the working class conservative republican. the president is playing with fire here because while he may rile up his folks, while he may lize that true believer base, he runs a real risk of alienating that broaderal coion that he's going to need to win re-election. >> carlos, you represented part of a county that is part of that broader coalition the president needs. cuban-americans, venezuelan-americans, lo coian-americans, at what point do they not like this raid business? >> yeah, there is a breaking point. south florida is different. a lot of the hispanie vote ther

looks outside the united states to foreign policy and that kind of determines their ttes. however,re is a sense of solidarity in the hispanic community and if you push too far on these enforcement es policithen you start losing those other hispanics who aren't directly impacted by them but certainly feel bad f those families, the individuals hurt by this. the sad part is this is not the solution. the solution to thi is to reform our immigration laws, to fix the entireme system. this is a political stunt, quite frankly. if you wanted to conduct effective raids, why would you announce it? everyone is hiding now. a >> it'so out of character for this president, who for every law enforcement action or act taken, loves the element of surprise and loves to talk about how, well, i'm not going to preview what we're going to do because you'll know what's happening. in this instance, he did the opposite. >> claire, the immigration issue is probably one of the reasomi you lost iouri. but i want you to react to something here. the heritage foundation wre the following. so the open borders enthusiasts need to rethink.

america is not a perfect nation, but it has done pretty well by its immigrants over the past couple hundred years. everyone is welcome provided you come here it is a more sustainable ethos for a nation. how did democrats walk that line? >> i think they've got to be respetful of th fact that most americans, maybe not the far left segment of the democratic party, b most americans want there to be a process that's fair and legal. they do not li the idea that people can come -- because if you open the borders, then anybody n come. i think what's interesting about this raid is they are supposedly going after criminals. in other words, people who have committed felonies. there's plenty of people who have come here illegallyhahat committed felonies that they could be busy with. you never announce that ahead of time. if somebody has committed a lony, they know how to hide. so the notion that he's trying to throw out this idea they're going after ecriminals, as h announces they're doing it, just shows he's sending a secret

message to his base that he thinks all of them are criminals, which is not what america thinks. >> and i think there's a competency question. we have an acting homeland security who used to be the border patrol commissioner. there's an acting border patrol commissioner who used to be the actingc. i. director. the current acting i.c.e. director, it's the second time he'seen the acting i.c.e. director. i'm going to put up a scroll of all the actings we have here. it's going to take a while. these aren't small agencies either. this competency question.he >> president doesn't mind it, though, chuck. he thinks -- and based on my reporting, the president truly believes he has more flexibility when he has more all these acting positions in place. he has a new acting position, obviously, with the labor secretary, who just stepped down two days ago. when i talk to folks in and around the white house, it's not necessarily homeland security. it's not necessarily dhs. it's the defense departmentou still witha permanent defense secretary. that's a concern for the

president's allies, for people who support him in and around wandington. >> aeally thumbing the nose at the constitution. these people are supposed to be confirmed. that's the way our founding fathers wrote the constitution. i'm so sick of some in your party, carlos, waving the constitution when a democrat is in office and completely ignoring the constution when a republican is in office. >> and it's important to remember that even when there was not this long list of ve actings, e in the earliest days of the administration when they rolled out the so-called muslim ban, there was no coordination between any of these departments. the white house not given talking points to anybody to defend this when the president was at the pentagon signing the. executive orde even when they were fully staffed, this wastill really ssy. when you get to the third string, it's going to be worse. >> remember, that "a" team, not everybody thought that was an am "a" te then. carlos? >> just briefly, the other side of what tim said, because immigration is going to be a top issue in20 , if the president

can bait democrats into saying that the status quo is acceptable, that we should have open borders or that, like some are saying, that we should offer benefits and all sorts of public welfare benefits to those that ould cost , that democrats as well. i think there's potential peril for them as well. >> we'll pause it here. when we come eback, we'rall pretty excited about our next guest. >> we have pink hair and purple hair. we have tattoos, dredlocks. we got white girls and black we got white girls and black girls and everything in the invite here.te as my broker, what am i paying you manage my money? it's racquetball time. humps) ugh! carl, does your firm offer a satisfaction guarantee? like swab does. guarantee? (splash) carl, can you remind me what you've invested my money in? it's complicated. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is being managed?

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this is my charge to everyone. we have to be beer. have to love more, hate less. we got to listen more and talk less. we got toknow that this is everybody's responsibility. >> welcome back. that was megan rapinoe, who right now is bigger than lebron, bigger than brady, bigger than just about anyone in the sports world and maybe beyond. rapinoe is co-captain and star of the u.s. women's nationalcc so team which just won the world cup again. but she's about much more than soccer. rapinoe has made news both for her fight foequal pay for men's soccer players and for her refusal to celebrate with her te h at the whiteuse. welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you. thank you for having me on. >> a long-time boxing reporter who's now a baseba announcer, charlie steiner, said to me he viewed you as a modern day ali. here's what "sports illustrated" wrote. therare elements of a modern-day ali many rapinoe's

co-mingling of sports and social act schism, to say nothing of her ability to turn the media's attention, even when negative, to certain circles. what do you make of the ali comparisons? >> that's very flattering. i don't know if i'm ali, but i'm happy to be the biggest ally akin to ali. >> what opsertunity do you here? it's like, okay, we got the attention. i am going to make these points. i am going to make do this activism. >> i think the opportunity is in everyone's exhaustion of the fighting and the negative, and our team has managed to make people proud again, to capture people's interest, and make them want to do something. i think people are asking the question, how can we rally around this team? and in that, what the team stands for, whether it's equal pay or racial equality or lgbtq rights, i think we've just managed to give people hope, and with that we need to do the next

step, which is to actually take the progress step. >> let me go specifics with equal pay. i'm sort of surprised here that the corporate communities thate support ths. soccer federation have been so slow to see thow, have been so sl to fill the gap. i know proctor & gamble came out today. they've given an additional bonus to every member of the team. but i understand the way these deals are negotiated, and son-in-law of some of this is the u.s. soccer federation, but are you disappointed in the way corporate america has handled this, your sponsors? >> yeah,do think we can a lot more, a lot more quickly. i think that it is a complicated issue, and i think sometimes we get in the weeds about it. yn't see the forest for the trees when, know, big sponsors can just write the check. these are some of the most powerful corporations, not just in sports, but in the world and have so much weight they can throw around. i think they just need to get comfortable throwing it around. >> how much of this is you got to grow the game globally, by the way? because it does seem as if it's

the westetiized s who have supported women's sports first. >> yes. >> and that is perhaps made folks in the corporate community rkink, oh, there's not enough people there to ma to. >> no, i think that the global aspect is huge. even just in the last three or four years, to see the wayhat other federations have succeeded with their teams on the field. they've thrown money behind them and, shocker, those teams are doing be er. >> it's good it was harder this time, right? no offense to the other teams, but it was a little harder. that's good for the game.t >> it's greaor the game. so ink it allows us to put much more pressure on fifa as well, to mandate that these nefederations have the moy to pay their programs and to oandate that fifa and to push them really to d more. >> you were talking about that you see an opportunity here to preach a message of unity. i think the hardest conundrum a lot ofus are in, in american politics, whether it's those of us that care about these

institutions or otherwi do you preach unity and at the same time you don't want to be near president trump, and i get th d. how do you both? >> i'm figuring that out by the day. i think you inspire people. >> what do you tell a trump supporter who loves watching you and is like, i wish she'itgo to the whhouse? >> i think i would, you know, try to share our message. do you believe all people are created equal? do you believe equal pay should be mandated? do you believe everyone should haveealth care? do you believe we should treat everyone with respect? i think those are the basics of what we're talking about. and i understand people feel upset or uncomfortable. there's, i think, some feelings of disrespect out the anthem protest or things i've said in the past. but ultimately, i think i am edre open and honest. i've admittmistakes. i will continue to do that. i will continue to be vulnerable and be honest and be open and want to have that conversation because i think trump's message

excludes people that lok like me and are me, of course, but it excludes a lot of people in his base as well. i think that he's trying to divide so he can conquer, not unite so we can all conquer. >> anything he could do to change your mind about a visit to the white house? >> there's like 50 policy issues that we can probably reverse and get going. i mean, it would take a tremendous amount. i thk i understand that progress is sometimes slow, and i'll never close any door all the way, but i think it would take more than trump is willing to do. >> what are you going to do next? you want to keep playing? give us one more world cup? would you at all entertain professionalizing your social activism, perhaps runningceor offir something else? >> i do continue to keep playing. i'm not sure i'm qualified for office. >> there's no qualifications for office these >> well, yeah, that's true. up to 44, i guess there was. you know, i'm going to fight for equal pay every f day myself,

for my team, and for every single person out there, man, woman, immigrant, u.s. citizen, person ocolor, whatever it may be. equal pay, as the great serena williams said, until i'm in my grave. >> were you about 11 or 12 when brandy chastain and that moment of, guess what, girls can go crazy and celebrate too. what do you hope the 12ear-old girl, a bunch of them in the audience today, thinks about 20 years from now in remembering you and what you gve to the sport? >> i hope the same thing i felt. i think in that moment, it was justn incredible explosion of joy. it was so them bridled, so off the cuff. at was just everything thou want from sports. you want just those moments that are totally indescribable. i hope they feel inspired that they can do that, that they can take on more, that they're worth everyenny and more, and that

they have fun and with a smile doing it. >> well, you have fun. your ways have a smile on face. >> that is true. >> it's been great meeting you. you have a lot of humility. i have to say that. megan rapinoe, good luck to you. we're rooting for get us another world cup too. >> yeah, another one. five is better than four. >> always. vethat's right, there's fi vethat's right, there's fi and i recently had hi, ia heart attack. it changed my life. but i'm a survivor. after my heart attack, my doctor rescribed brilinta. it's for people who have been hospitalized for a heart attack. but i'm a survivor. brilinta is taken with a low-dose aspirin. no more than 100 milligrams as it a fects how well brilintrks. brilinta helps keep platelets from sticking together and forming a clot. in a clinical study, brilinta reduced thance of having another heart attack... ...or dying from one. don't stop taking brilinta without talking to your doctor, si e stopping it too soon incrk of clots in your stent, heaand even deathaue,. brilinta m bruising or bleeding more easily, or serious, sometimes fatal bleeding. don't take brilinta if you have bleeding, like stomach ulcers,

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since last mon when we polled all adus, by the way, not just registered voters. and it doesn'tagake much imation to guess which voters are driving the pro-impeachment sentiment. 39% of democrats say there is enough evidence to begin impeaching president trump compared to 21% of independents. then, of course, republicans want nothing to do with it. 85% say they want impeachment dropped altogether. likeverything this this has to be looked at through the lens othe 2020 presidential race. that's where you see an increasingly predictable divide along the ideological spectrum. only 37%id of joe 's supporters who are more likely to krr themselves moderates are interested in starting impeachment hearings now. compare that with the more progressive candidates. sanders, rren, harris. support for impeachment among their voters is in the mid to upper 40s. of course,hether the candidates stand won't matter if these candidates oust him from office at the ballot box. politically speaking, is impeachment ot likely to go

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back now with "end game." a lot of intraparty politics and divides, it seems, this week. let's start withelosi v. aoc. maureen dowd started this last week. then brings the house down. in the age of trump, there's no mo stupid proposition than that nancy pelosi is the problem. if aoc and her pygmalions and

acolytes decide that burning down the house is more important than deposing trump, they'll be left with a racist, backward president and the emotional satisfaction of their own purity. >> yeah. i think the thing that really set me off this week was them going after davids. this is the first native w americanan elected to congress. she's the sependy lesbian member of congress in history. she represents kansas from a district that has been held by the republicans for cycle after cycle after cshcle. took out an incumbent republican congressman. the notion that they're going after her and playing the race card, what are they thinking? i mean, what t hell are they thinking? this is a situation where i appreciate the passion, and i appreciate the point ofndiew a i appreciate the debate, bute have got to come together and stay fixed on the goal here and remain pragmatic about how we win in 2020.

>> you sound like ron johnson. ron johnson said the same thing, woul't take the bait there. carlos -- >> don't say i sound like ron johnson. please don't say i snnd like ro johnson. >> what's interesting here is this -- are you having boehner flashbacks with the markeadows and jim jordans? is that what we're seeing here? although, i feel like the freedom caucus had m followers than aoc does. >> well, for now. but nancy pelosi sees this coming. she saw john boehner suffer. she saw paul ryan suffer with a difficult element in theirus cauc and she is doing everything possible to prevent it. she knows that it's a threat to her majority makers. she knows that it could make her caucus ungovernable. that's not good for any leader. so that's whywe see her coming out very aggressively, where boehner and especially ryan were more laid back about dealing with some of ticir more dit members. >> tim, what advice do you think ryan would be giving pelosi right now? he seems to have a lot of opinions about how heailed. mean, he basically is admitting he failed. >> yeah.

the parallels are actually pretty uncanny between that tea party wave in '10 and this progressive wave in '18. although, it is worth noting, progressives weren't the majority maker. furthermore, the republican wave in 2010 wast not jusn congress. it was in state legislatures across the country that allowed them to consolidate power, redraw theseines. that allowed a broader portion of the republican base to move to the right in seeking elected office. aoc has to realize that if it ren't for these 40 democrats picking up these suburban held, traditionally republican seats, that they don't have the majority right now. and that's obviously t message pelosi has been trying to push, but she's going to have a hard time keeping the lid on this thing. >> hallie, this directly plays into what we're seeing in the presidential primary of warren and biden. >> yes, and i think you phrased it earlier with senator sanders, ate insider/outsider piece. you're seeing thrit large on the debate stage. you're seeing it here. to your point, senator, you

may -- and republicans may not want to talk about the intraparty back and forth. guess who does want to talk about it, donald trump. president trump loves this. it plays directly into what he's tweeting this morning. your book, your excerpts gotin under his sk i'm told, based on my reporting. the president was tweeting about kevin mccarthy, for example, and how much more he likesthim. president will focus on this issue with alexandria ocasi asio-cortez, with speaker pelosi because he thinks it wins him points. he hates th talk about publicans not supporting him, the never trump movement. now he has an opportunity to say, look, democrats have their own problems too. >> claire, check this out. the democratic presidential pray mire is a tale of two my prayers. among moderates and conservatives, which make up 45% of the electorate, joe biden is up 20 points. take a look here. kamala harris in second under the moderate/conservative category. the other three in single digits. among liberals, 53% of the party call themselves liberals, and look at this. warren by double digits.

add up bernie sanders, if she eventually grabs more of the sanders' support or vice versa. you can see where this is going. we're going to have a clash at some point here tween the leading moderate and the leading liberal. what does this mean for the party? >> i think a lot of it is how they communicateithmembers of the democratic party. you know, wide,st sweeping ctural change, how do you do that under our constitution if you only have 49 votes in the senate? how do you do that? you can't do that by executive order. so there is a disconnect between what is possible and what is pragmatic. and i think that whoever wins our nominati needs to stay focused on those voters that are going to decide this election. and they're not in the bronx. >> is elizabeth warren starting to at least -- do you think she has the ability to bridge this divide? sanders it feels like has less of a chance. does warren? >> well, i don't know. warren keeps talking about this

massive structural change, and i keep thinking, how does she do this? righ v and i thinkers will eventually begin thinking about that. i do think that any of the top five have the ability to begin to focus more on some of those voters that make up almost half ofimhe democratic pry that are so into joe bidenght now because they see him as steady as she sgoes,eone who will bring normalcy back to the oval office. that's a really important thing he has going for him, right? >> and somewhat counterintuitive, but in a way, biden is the change candidate. the party that's challenging the incumbent president has to make a compelling case for change. joe biden is probably the candidate on the left that is most different than donald trump. joe biden vanilla, and vanilla would be a change to the presidency today. >> it's intethsting. there' argument that, okay, he won with disruption. democrats need to be more disruptive. >> that's not change. >> but does the country- you know, is warren seen as more

disruption in a weird way? do you buy that? >> kind of. listen, i think that if elizabeth warren ends up being the democratic party nominee, there's going to be some, frankly,t celebrations at leas from what i'm told inside the trump campaign who believes that she is somebody they could beat ea. there's not that sense with joe biden. and that's evidenced by the president going after him so directly and so frequently. there are others in this race who could be problematic for president trump, like senator kamala harris, who got a second look by this trump campaign. we'll see what happens. >> harris is the one candidate who's in third among liberals, third among -- you know, is she the one that's got the porridge that everybody is comfortable with? >> as you look through the polling, talk to the campathns and stud strategies of their ouraces, harris wld seem to be the one person, put it together who could build that coalition, whereas you struggle to see it with some of the others. >> claire, megan rapinoe. what do you think?

>> i think she's fantastic. i was struck how humble she is. >> so was i. >> you know what's really refreshing? listen, acosta the last couple weeks, ie admitted onhese cameras a number of times, i'd love to have that vote back. i regret that vote. it was a mistake. i love that she admits her mistakes. she hasn't donhtit all rig. everything she said hasn't been perfect. but you get her heart and her heart is in the right place, and she will do more to move the needle on equal pay than all of the democratic women inre cong. >> if nike hasn't filled the gap by now, i don't know -- they're not the nike i thought they were. >> twas a wonderful interview. i enjoyed it. i think she should go to the white house. i think she should show theat country the can talk to each other, that we can meet, and that we can disagree. but refusing to talk to each other, refusing to meet, that's to -- >> guess what, we can always talk here. and we are happyst to ho her here. so there. that's all we have for today. tim, congratulations on the book. "american carnage" gobuy it. that's all we have for today.

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