guy off. >> okay. >> and now we're gonna plate these up. >> okay. >> look how gorgeous these pork chops are. >> they really are perfectly browned. >> i'm telling you. now, this is a great capacity. >> aw, yum, yum, yum. >> look at those beautiful pork chops with those bones. >> yum! >> man, oh, man. ah! brussels sprouts. i'm telling you, slow-roasted brussels sprouts are absolutely the best way to eat them. now we want to take a look at our salmon. how's my skin look? >> why do i doubt you? >> [ laughs ] >> i shouldn't doubt you. just gonna dress it up. we're gonna make it taste really good. >> okay. >> we're gonna put a little chili sauce on there. still very, very healthy and delicious. >> mm-hmm. >> and now i'm gonna add some wine. >> wine. okay, okay. [ sizzling ] nice, nice, nice. >> i'm gonna add my vegetables. >> beautiful. is that dill? can i put a little piece of dill? >> oh, please. help me out, man. come on. >> absolutely. >> get the dill on there. >> nice. >> now, what we're gonna do is we're gonna poach it. >> okay. >> we're giving you a great lid. so, not only is it tempered glass, we have the steel handles

>> we have this perfect, little vent hole on there... >> okay. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> ...that's gonna allow the steam to come out, but keep our lid safe and secure. now what we're gonna do is take a look at our grilled cheese. this is our square pan working for us. >> right. >> we get the same brownness in all four corners of our pan. man, do these look good. whoo! >> "whoo" is right. nice. >> now, i think my steaks are done. we roasted them at 500 degrees. >> right. >> this is how they do it in the fanciest steak houses. >> yes. >> the reason we do it, you want to cook steaks hot and fast. >> right. there. >> okay. gorgeous. >> we seared in the flavor. look how perfect they are. >> oh, man. >> oh, i can't wait to cut this open. all right. take a look at this. perfect medium-rare. >> seared on the outside. >> that's right. that's how you have to do it -- hot on the outside in a superhot oven. the only way to do that is with a pan. you don't have to worry about what temperature you cook at. >> right. >> all right, now let's check our salmon. look at that. >> ooh! >> absolutely bubbling perfectly. >> nice, nice. >> no hot spots. we created a perfect poaching environment. >> sure did. >> now what we're gonna do is

>> okay. >> get those out. >> mmm, mmm. >> now we're gonna take out our squash. and, then, what i think i'm gonna do is i think i'm actually gonna slide the salmon right out of the pan. >> really? it's gonna slide out? >> it's never gonna stick in this pan. flaky and falling apart. >> wow. >> just the way you want your salmon to be cooked. >> yeah. and look at the pan! nothing stuck. the skin didn't even stick. >> come on. now i could just wipe this out and start cooking again. >> announcer: are your kitchen drawers starting to look like a bad garage sale -- steamers, rice cookers, roasters, slow cookers? and just how many pots and pans and every time you cook, cleanup's a disaster. scraping, scrubbing -- what a chore. what if you could replace all this with one single, nonstick pan? and what if this pan was innovative in design and made of the highest-quality craftsmanship? and what if you could cook with it on the stove and in the oven? introducing copper chef, the nonstick, all-round square pan with ceramitech. it's a breakthrough in technology. copper chef with extra-deep sides replaces a roasting pan, a

pot, a wok, and a baking dish. even cook mac and cheese from dry right in its own sauce. delicious! no more boiling and straining ever again. what's the secret? copper chef's innovative stainless-steel induction plate heats the pan quickly and evenly with no hot spots so you can sear meat in a flash. and watch this. copper chef is heatproof up to 850 degrees. incredible! copper chef's unique, square shape means you can cook more food pan. plus, your copper chef pan features ceramitech, a new generation of healthy ceramic nonstick technology. that means nothing will stick to your pan. watch. we burnt milk in the copper chef and a traditional steel pan. the steel pan was ruined. but watch as the milk peeled right off the ceramitech surface. amazing! look. gooey cheese slides right off. watch this egg slip and slide like it's on ice skates. and because you're cooking with ceramic nonstick, you don't have

air-pop popcorn without any oil or butter and no added calories. ceramitech's coating is 100% chemical, ptfe, and pfoa free, so it won't chip, peel, or flake into your food. best of all, cleanup is a breeze, and your copper chef pan is dishwasher-safe. copper chef's stainless-steel induction plate makes it perfect for any surface -- electric, gas, ceramic, and induction. now you can prepare, cook, and serve in one large-capacity, family-size pan. make this scrumptious s'mores cake in 20 minutes. nine egg biscuit sandwiches done at once. incredible! bananas foster flamb? in under five minutes. amazing! get your very own all-round copper chef nonstick square pan, and that's not all. we'll include this handy steam rack. create a healthy and flavorful meal by steaming fish and vegetables. it's also an amazing roasting rack. cook a roast to juicy perfection. there's also a versatile fry basket. use it to make french fries, fried chicken, or make golden, crisp fish and chips in minutes!

colander. and it makes the perfect pasta cooker. and we're still not done. we're also including eric's gourmet cookbook. these recipes have been created especially for the copper chef system. they are incredible. and the cookbook is yours free with your order today. look, you could pay over $600 for just one copper pan that's not even nonstick, but you won't pay $500, $300, not even $100. order now during this factory-direct offer and get the copper chef system, including eric's cookbook, for just four easy payments of $24.99. but hold everything! call or go online right now, and we'll chop off one entire payment. you get the complete copper chef system for three easy payments of $24.99. and just when you thought it couldn't get any better, it does! call or go online, and we'll also include free shipping! that's right. pay no shipping and handling. >> copper chef's nonstick ceramic coating is so durable and resilient, it comes with an incredible lifetime guarantee. if it ever peels, chips, or blisters, we will replace it, no questions asked.

to get your copper chef nonstick pan with tempered-glass lid, the handy steam and roasting rack, the versatile fry basket, and eric's gourmet cookbook, altogether an over $200 value, yours for only three payments of $24.99. plus, get free shipping. remember, this is a special tv-only offer, and it's not available in stores. this incredible offer will end without notice, so you must call or go online right now. >> look at this. oh! >> [ gasps ] look at the size of that chicken. >> yeah. this is a five-pound chicken. we put that helper handle on there, help you get it out. >> love the helper handle. yeah, yeah. >> all right? let me put this here. >> i buy these from the grocery store all the time, and they're always dry. >> you know, the ones at the supermarket -- who the heck knows what's in there, right? >> exactly. and they're never that hearty. they're never that juicy-looking.

some of my vegetables out of here. >> okay. >> and remember the other day you pointed out how a square pan gives you the pour spout? >> right. exactly. i love that. >> look at that gorgeous meal. >> saving another step. >> all right, denise, you know what i always say? you can talk about technology all day, but at the end of the day, it's about beautiful, perfect results. >> results. oh, yeah. >> look at this gorgeous chicken. >> yeah. oh, look at the juices just pouring out. >> look at the juices pouring out of there. i know this is one of your favorites. >> yay. >> ah! how does that look? >> oh, my gosh. >> look at the se bread. >> i know! >> i have three loaves of bread in here. >> okay. >> all right. but ready? here's the beauty. >> are you telling me it's gonna come right out? oh, my gosh. >> [ laughing ] look at that! >> seriously? >> all right. so, look at this gorgeous, steaming, hot -- >> oh, yeah. >> look at this steam. >> you are not kidding. >> it's perfectly cooked. now i'm gonna get a little butter on there. >> just a little, yeah. i would have to go to the specialty part of the grocery store to get bread that looks

a lot of students that come through our doors, and a lot of the questions they ask us -- how do you select the perfect pan? copper pans -- expensive. cast-iron pan -- heavy, hard to heat up. you need lots of fat, oil, butter. if it's not cleaned properly and you see this rust in here, we're gonna have a health issue. aluminum pans are very cheap. the handles get hot quickly. the gauge of the aluminum is very thin, so the pan will warp. not very good. this pan, it takes a lg to heat up, it can't go into the oven, and the coating will peel over time. copper chef's my favorite pan. goes into the oven, conducts heat well. it also has the induction plate. with the square pan, you have more surface so you can fit more product into the pan. the ceramitech coating is new to the market -- very durable, easy to clean, gets up to 850 degrees, and chemical-free. the copper chef gets a five-star

>> all right, denise, you know what? i love mussels. i make them all the time. so, in order to make good mussels, we have that lid that holds in the heat. you want to get that pan really hot, get the mussels in. >> ooh, yeah. >> and then get the lid down. that's gonna get the mussels to open, and that's what we want. >> gorgeous. >> look at my beautiful mussels. >> they look pretty good! >> they're absolutely gorgeous. so, you know what we're gonna do? i am going to plate these out. now, look at this. >> oh, my. >> i want to say i have a couple of hundred mussels in here. >> wow. that is a lot of mussels. [ laughs ] it's endless. >> this is what i do when i have company for breakfast. i always make a giant frittata. >> ooh! oh, my gosh. okay. >> it's just a baked-egg dish. but i'm telling you, it is the easiest way to cook for a large bunch of people. and, you know, our pan is designed with these high sides so i can get this out beautifully. but i can make a huge, giant frittata. look at that. >> that's a lot of eggs, yeah. >> and you know what? i could have made it twice as high.

right? of course, look at my pan. >> clean as a whistle. >> clean as a whistle. i just have to wipe that out, and then you know what? >> [ laughs ] right. >> i can make another one, depending on how many people i have. >> of course. oh, that looks really pretty, too. >> all right, so, now of course i'm gonna get in there. >> cut it up! >> we're gonna check it out. yum. >> oh, beautiful! oh, look at that! potatoes. >> look at the beautiful size of this frittata. look at that. >> most typical pans don't hold up in an industrial kitchen, 'cause truly, they're not designed to be worked the way we put them to . the beauty of the copper chef, it's very, very versatile. it's really strong. the riveted handle also provides a level of strength that you do need to have when you're working in an industrial kitchen. i can go right from the stovetop, directly in the oven, out of the oven, onto the dish. they were getting thrown around like regular pans, and so impressed how easy they were to clean afterwards and how much they look like we just purchased them. >> so, now what we're gonna do,

what do you think? >> ooh! >> some bananas foster? we're not just gonna make a regular bananas foster. we're gonna add a little chocolate. >> i like that. >> you know why? 'cause chocolate's sticky and gooey. >> and delicious. >> and delicious. >> hello! >> and what else is sticky, gooey, and delicious? >> ah, marshmallows. you can't get more sticky than that. >> so, we're gonna put a lot of marshmallows in here. the fun is just beginning, because you have to wear these. >> oh, okay. all righty. >> all right. trust me. i'm a professional. >> ah. >> all right. so, now what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna add our rum. >> mmm-mmm-mmm-mmm-mmm. >> we're gonna get a lot of rum in there. what i want to d make a real dramatic impact. >> okay. >> so, guys, can we lower the lights? >> and i'm gonna step back just a little. >> yeah, you step back. ready? >> let's see. ooh! >> look at that. now, ordinary nonstick, you can't do that. >> no. >> our nonstick goes up to 850 degrees. >> oh. >> look at that. >> aw, it's beautiful. >> i'm gonna turn this off. now we want to get in there, and we want to plate this over. >> that looks good. >> nothing is sticking, all right? of course i'm gonna plate it up over some ice cream. >> oh, my word. >> now, look at that.

only care about the food at this point, but look at my pan. i have flamb?ed it. i've put marshmallows in here. i put chocolate in here. >> wow. >> i torched it. >> i know. the pan was literally on fire. >> and now it's clean as a whistle, and i could start cooking again if i wanted to. >> announcer: get your very own all-round copper chef nonstick square pan, and that's not all. we'll include this handy steam rack. create a healthy and flavorful meal by steaming fish and vegetables. it's also an amazing roasting rack. cook a roast to juicy there's also a versatile fry basket. use it to make french fries, fried chicken, or make golden, crisp fish and chips in minutes! you can even use it as a colander. and it makes the perfect pasta cooker. and we're still not done. we're also including eric's gourmet cookbook. these recipes have been created especially for the copper chef system. they are incredible. and the cookbook is yours free with your order today. look, you could pay over $600 for just one copper pan that's not even nonstick, but you won't

order now during this factory-direct offer and get the copper chef system, including eric's cookbook, for just four easy payments of $24.99. but hold everything! call or go online right now, and we'll chop off one entire payment. you get the complete copper chef system for three easy payments of $24.99. and just when you thought it couldn't get any better, it does! call or go online, and we'll also include free shipping! that's right. pay no shipping and handling. >> copper chef's nonstick ceramic coating is so durable and resilient, it comes with an incredible lifetime guarantee. if it ever peels, chips, or blisters, we will replace it, no questions asked. >> announcer: call or go online to get your copper chef nonstick pan with tempered-glass lid, the handy steam and roasting rack, the versatile fry basket, and eric's gourmet cookbook, altogether an over $200 value, yours for only three payments of $24.99. plus, get free shipping. remember, this is a special tv-only offer, and it's not available in stores. this incredible offer will end

or go online right now. >> denise, my goal is to amaze you today. i made a lasagna. i did it right in this pan, right on the stovetop. >> oh! that's ingenious! >> grab that plate for me, because you got to see this. now, when i take the lasagna out, i kyo see this ooey, gooey lasagna. >> look at the layers! >> look at that. it's absolutely gorgeous. >> oh, and the cheese. >> that is lasagna for like 12 people. all right, how about a chicken pot pie? i'm gonna start the chicken on the stovetop. you add these for me. >> okay. you know, this is a great idea for leftovers, isn't it? >> yeah. you know, we always have some leftover chicken, or maybe you just have some raw chicken that you want to cook and brown on the bottom of the pan. >> i'll take that for you. >> thank you. now we're gonna add just some cream soup. >> wow. ooh! listen to it go! >> sounds good, right?

>> all right, so, now, i'm just gonna give it a stir. >> okay. >> even when i'm stirring this hot, creamed chicken, nothing is sticking to the pan. >> it's not. yeah. looking good. >> now, help me out. >> oh, yeah, yeah! of course. >> we're gonna put in these biscuits. >> some biscuits. >> look at that. >> never thought of doing this. >> [ laughs ] this is how to do it the easy way. >> right. i like it. >> all right. now i'm gonna take it right into the oven. >> nice! >> we're gonna cook this at 375. of course, i have an extra one made for you. >> tv magic! >> oh, look at this. >> that's gorgeous. i'll get the oven for you. >> oh, those biscuits are goldenro >> look at that. >> [ gasps ] that's pretty! >> all right. now, that handle's hot, 'cause i just took it out of the oven. >> okay. >> oh, man. are you kidding me? >> that looks fantastic. >> all right, let's get another biscuit on here. what do you think? >> oh, absolutely. >> oh, yeah. let's get this one. look at that. >> haven't had pot pie since i was a kid. and, let me tell you, it wasn't homemade. it was the kind that you bought in the freezer department. >> yeah. you don't want to eat that. >> no good. >> look at that. oh, man. >> that's beautiful. >> 'cause i said i wanted to get rid of every appliance in your cabinet and all of your other pots and pans, we had to give

look at that beautiful fried chicken. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. my favorite part is the crispy! >> oh! >> i'm sorry. >> you know what? that's where it all counts right there. >> mm-hmm! >> how about some snacks? >> okay, snacks. >> all right. >> surely, you need oil for popcorn. >> not in my pan. >> no way! >> look at that. all right. so, i have the heat on there. >> yeah. >> all right. now, in order to air-pop our popcorn, we have to put the lid on. so let's let that go, 'cause i rid of in your cabinet. >> okay. >> how about your deep-dish pie dish? >> shut the front door. >> [ laughs ] that's right. >> you're making a pie in there? >> i am making a pie in here. >> oh, no way! >> let me show you how easy it is to do. all right. >> okay. >> so, you hold that plate for me. >> gotcha. >> now, i take four pieces of pie dough. and you get this in any supermarket. >> beautiful! >> lay them all down like this. and then... >> no way! >> ...i take this giant can of apples, right? >> whoa! >> or you can just use five regular cans.

>> look at that. i mean, can you imagine? look at that. all right, now, help me out. >> okay. >> all we have to do is fold these over, just like this, yeah. >> fold it over. okay. >> 1...2...3. >> that's it? [ gasps ] >> you get the fourth one. >> oh, my gosh. >> it doesn't even have to be perfect. >> right. >> can you open that? thank you. >> yeah. you know i can. >> now i'm gonna bake this at 375 degrees. >> okay. >> and, denise, you know me. you know i had to have one ready for you. >> that's what that is. >> that is, yes! >> that's apple pie? >> this apple pie for like 16 people. look at this. are you serious rit >> unbelievable. >> come on! >> look at that. [ laughs ] >> all right. now, take a look at my caramel sauce in here. >> oh, yeah! yes. >> watch what happens when i pull across. this is like the stickiest substance in the entire world. >> wow. >> look at that. >> yeah. that looks really good. >> that's beautiful, right? okay, so, now, i'm gonna give you a little for your apple pie. >> awesome. you know what i like? in a square pan, you've got a little pour spout built right in. >> hey, you know what? that's something i didn't even think of. >> ah. >> don't eat that yet. [ laughs ] >> okay. still i can't eat it.

we're gonna pour my peanuts. >> oh, some peanuts? put them in first? >> yeah. remember that snack we used to eat when we were kids? >> yes! of course. >> that's right. i'm gonna get the caramel sauce all over that. >> oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. can i stir that up for you? >> oh, man. i wish you would. >> okay. >> now, look at how my caramel is sheeting off the pan. look at this. >> oh! >> all right. you know what? i think you earned yourself a piece of apple pie with caramel sauce. what do you think? >> i'm going for a spoon, 'cause i want to really get some caramel on there. >> yeah, you get in there. i'm gonna get in there, too. >> okay. bon app?tit. >> oh, man! i can tell you, copper chef will be your go-to pan in the kitchen time after time. toss out your old-fashioned pans. step up to the next generation of nonstick. order your copper chef ceramic pan right now. >> announcer: are your kitchen drawers starting to look like a bad garage sale -- steamers, rice cookers, roasters, slow cookers? and just how many pots and pans does one kitchen really need? and every time you cook, cleanup's a disaster.

what if you could replace all this with one single, nonstick pan? and what if this pan was innovative in design and made of the highest-quality craftsmanship? and what if you could cook with it on the stove and in the oven? introducing copper chef, the nonstick, all-round square pan with ceramitech. it's a breakthrough in technology. copper chef with extra-deep sides replaces a roasting pan, a rice cooker, a steamer, a stock pot, a wok, and a baking dish. even cook mac and cheese from dry right in its own sauce. delicious! no more boiling and straining ever again. what's the secret? copper chef's innovative stainless-steel induction plate heats the pan quickly and evenly with no hot spots so you can sear meat in a flash. and watch this. copper chef is heatproof up to 850 degrees. incredible! copper chef's unique, square shape means you can cook more food. you can't make this in a round pan. plus, your copper chef pan features ceramitech, a new

nonstick technology. that means nothing will stick to your pan. watch. we burnt milk in the copper chef and a traditional steel pan. the steel pan was ruined. but watch as the milk peeled right off the ceramitech surface. amazing! look. gooey cheese slides right off. watch this egg slip and slide like it's on ice skates. and because you're cooking with ceramic nonstick, you don't have to add all that extra fat and butter. air-pop popcorn without any oil or butter and no added calories. ceramitech's coating is 100% chemical, ptfe, and pfoa free, so it won't chip, peel, or flake into your food. best of all, cleanup is a breeze, and your copper chef pan is dishwasher-safe. copper chef's stainless-steel induction plate makes it perfect for any surface -- electric, gas, ceramic, and induction. now you can prepare, cook, and serve in one large-capacity, family-size pan. make this scrumptious s'mores cake in 20 minutes. nine egg biscuit sandwiches done at once.

amazing! get your very own all-round copper chef nonstick square pan, and that's not all. we'll include this handy steam rack. create a healthy and flavorful meal by steaming fish and vegetables. it's also an amazing roasting rack. cook a roast to juicy perfection. there's also a versatile fry basket. use it to make french fries, fried chicken, or make golden, crisp fish and chips in minutes! you can even use it as a colander. and it makes the perfect pasta cooker. and we're still not done. we're also including eric's ur these recipes have been created especially for the copper chef system. they are incredible. and the cookbook is yours free with your order today. look, you could pay over $600 for just one copper pan that's not even nonstick, but you won't pay $500, $300, not even $100. order now during this factory-direct offer and get the copper chef system, including eric's cookbook, for just four easy payments of $24.99. but hold everything! call or go online right now, and we'll chop off one entire payment.

of $24.99. and just when you thought it couldn't get any better, it does! call or go online, and we'll also include free shipping! that's right. pay no shipping and handling. >> copper chef's nonstick ceramic coating is so durable and resilient, it comes with an incredible lifetime guarantee. if it ever peels, chips, or blisters, we will replace it, no questions asked. >> announcer: call or go online to get your copper chef nonstick pan with tempered-glass lid, the handy steam and roasting rack, eric's gourmet cookbook, altogether an over $200 value, yours for only three payments of $24.99. plus, get free shipping. remember, this is a special tv-only offer, and it's not available in stores. this incredible offer will end without notice, so you must call

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welcome back. this week harvard hosted its traditional postmortem. what's typically a thoughtful and reflective forum soon turned hostile as tensions ran high in both of the general election campaigns.

accused breitbart run by steve bannon of promoting racist views. >> trump campaign manager kellyanne conway took issue with joel benenson for bringing up clinton's popular vote lead. >> kellyanne conway and joel benenson join me now. we will see if that is yelling. they promised there won't be. let me ask you this, different versions of the same question.

are you being sore losers? >> no, i don't think we're being sore losers. i think we have acknowledged and i acknowledged in the exchange that they won. he is president-elect. but i was also saying and taking issue with the notion that there was a mandate and that when you talk about connecting with people over america, hillary clinton had 2.5 million more americans vote for her than donald trump. i'm aware of the currency of presidential elections, the i've been on three winning presidential campaigns. but a mandate is when you win big in the popular vote, when you win big in the election toal college vote. like president obama did two times. i don't recall kellyanne that president obama had a mandate or any republican saying he had a mandate. >> are you being a sore winner? you have done this a few times, your own twitter i think biosays, we won. it's like i dropped the mike.

respect to my colleagues for over two hours before this happened. but the fact is that we are -- we're the ones who understood america. the idea that we're going to talk about the popular vote answers your questions about sore losers. the idea that donald trump doesn't have a mandate after he got 100 more electoral votes than mitt romney, he got 306, it wasn't close. he won states that had not gone republican in decades. had this been a race for the popular vote, we would have won th in california, in new york, stayed in florida, gone to illinois perhaps. these population rich states. we did what you are supposed to do to become president. campaign in the battleground states, actually have an economic message that appealed to workers across the country, actually talk about patriotism, defeating radical islamism, people open their mailbox, they

the idea he doesn't have a mandate when they lost the white house 60 seats in the house, over a dozen senate seats, over a dozen governorships and over 1,000 state legislative seats, this is democratic party is having an identity crisis and a circular firing squad what i heard is, it's bernie sanders fault, anybody but hillary clinton's fault. >> a lot of people look at what you have said and what others have said, including the president-elect at his rally in cincinnati and say, winning. that they haven't been gracious in victory. what do you say to that? >> you know, i'm going to hit back on that. i'm incredibly gracious, humble. every single media outlet, including this one, on good days ignored us, on regular days mocked us. that included when i told you and your colleagues there is an under cover under counted trump vote. there's not. maybe it's under counted for hillary people said.

it portends the momentum that is owned by donald trump. we're the ones with the message. we're the ones turning these counties around that president obama carried twice. we switched 200 counties. we did that with messages that matter. he talked about veterans, talked about defeating terrorism. we were mocked and ignored. go back and look at the headlines two weeks out everywhere. the talk on networks like this, we were completely secretary clinton wasn't even mentioning donald trump's name most of the time. >> joel, let me turn to you. she brought up this. it seems as if -- we gathered the reasons that you and others have given to hillary clinton's defeat. james comey, third party candidate, sexism, young voters shgsz media, obamacare preem ups, bernie sanders, health rumors. what wasn't on there was the point kellyanne brought up, hillary clinton. does she accept any responsibility for this defeat on her own? >> look, i think the reality here is that there was this --

better message on the economy. when you look at voters who said they vote for someone who cares, hillary clinton won. when you look at voters who said the economy was the number one issue, hillary clinton won those voters. i think the issue now going forward is -- i think kellyanne conway again today, kellyanne talked about his economic message. i think he raised the bar very high. this is a guy who during the campaign built his businesses on the back of the little now voters are going to hear him as president call for giving the biggest tax cuts in history to corporations and very wealthy americans. >> you are not answering my question. do you accept this -- >> he did answer your question. they never accept it. >> i also said in that panel when we were asked what we have to do differently during the course of the day, the democratic party can't just keep winning the popular vote in presidential elections. we have won them five out of seven times. we have to rebuild at the state levels.

of the states that they had to win. they did a good job, obviously, in michigan and wisconsin by eeking out narrow wins in those states where we -- they hadn't won previously. >> joel, let me ask you this. if the election -- i will get you one more shot. joel, if the election were the first tuesday in january and you had another six weeks here, what's one thing you would do differently in the last four weeks of the campaign? >> just probably do more. >> what though? i would hit more states more frequently. i would probably ask for another debate. probably ask for a faith forum to hear hillary clinton and donald trump both talk about their roots in faith and the strength of hers which i think are dominant. i think we would also probably keep talking about those tax cuts i just mentioned that we're going to hold him to during the course of his presidency. the biggest tax cuts. i don't think that's what working people think they're

help them. that will be the high bar he has to clear. >> kellyanne, he went on this thank you tour. he will continue it on states he won. does he have a plan -- do you give list advice -- i asked you this before and you haven't answered it -- to go to states but meet with voters who didn't vote for him? he is down in the popular vote. say what you want. the california vote counts as much as the pennsylvania vote. considering howdy viede e does he have plans to do that. >> he does. i have answered this many times. he started saying i will be the president for all americans even those who did not support me. he is not even inaugurated and he is going around doing this, bringing -- keeping jobs in the country through carrier. he will be a very actively traveled president. joel hit on something that's absolutely correct but wasn't done by his campaign. you have to show up where the

have a flood of advertisements and this ground game that didn't work. you have to go where the people are. secretary clinton took off a lot in august. we had 137 events to her 88 or so events after these conventions. donald trump did not take five days off before that final debate on october 19th in las vegas. secretary clinton did. everybody said, she's so brilliant to take off five days. voters said, where are you? come to me. bring the message here. he will be a very active president. cranny of this country. he will be the president to all americans. it's time for those who lost to say he is their president, too. >> kellyanne conway, joel benenson, you are correct, neither one of you yelled at each other. >> this is the full jersey. >> fair enough. >> new york, kellyanne. >> thank you both. a little less heated than harvard. in case you missed it, hillary clinton lost the election despite leading in the

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we are back. data download time. only five times has the person who won popular vote not won the presidency. two have been in the last five elections, since 2000. we might see it happen more frequently in the future. of the six most populous states, democrats have won california, new york and illinois by double digits since 1992. of the other three, democrats have been making gains in texas. it was b hosting their own in florida. only pennsylvania of the top six seems to be edging to the red column. all of this helps explain hillary clinton's growing popular vote margin. over 2.5 million votes right now, actually. of course, part of the reason for the popular vote, electoral college split is something we're calling sue per flewous votes. once a candidate wins a state, is it doesn't matter how many votes they win it by.

unnecessary. by that standard, hillary clinton had 10 million extra votes that made no different to her electoral college total. donald trump by the way had 8.3 million, quote, extra votes. that's despite the fact that trump won 30 states while clinton won 20 plus the district of columbia for a final electoral vote tally. the democratic strongholds are growing in population. they will continue to favor democrats in the future. while until we see a republican win the popular vote again. that doesn't mean they won't win the presidency. because it's in the states in the industrial midwest where this election was decided. pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan. if these states continue to be tightly contested with a slight shift, tilt to the right, we may continue to see this split between the popular vote and the electoral college when republicans win it going forward. when we come back, democrats have been losing big time at the

back now with the panel. heather, i want to start with you. because house democrats this week had the first shot at sort of deciding a new leadership team or stick with the old leadership team. they decided to stick with the metrics, they didn't -- they didn't seem to earn the right to stay. why do you think they're there? >> i think the change at the top is always going to be the hardest. what you're seeing right now across the country is more grass roots mobilization of democrats and would-be democrats. we have to remember that a third of young voters voted for a third party candidate. there's sort of a roiling prairie fire going on right across the country. activists who are saying we want

sitting in the offices of schumer and carper and a bunch of other folks saying don't actually shake hands with the white supremacist white party at this moment. there are trends going on at this right now that are not reaching up to the question of who -- you know, the leadership rules and the congress. but that you will start to see in 2017, '18 and primaries. there's as much energy at the base of the democratic party right now that there was at the tea party. >> there's a simple explanation for why she wanted the math, for democrats. two-thirds of the house democratic caucus comes from the west coast or the eastern seaboard. >> as much as the ocean -- >> the base is not middle of america. tim ryan from rust belt ohio. when we first started in the business, chuck, a lot of these things were called southern democrats, midwestern democrats, blue dog democrats. they are gone. >> isn't that the problem? given the electoral college? >> that is the problem. so democrats have a geography

have a demography problem. but the geography problem means they're not back in control in the house. >> i look at this election and it's always funny, democrats have a white working class problems and it look at the popular vote thing and look at texas, and the republicans have a latino problem. both things are correct. >> well, i think what democrats will likely conclude is the way they try to reach trump voters is with the bernie sanders style economics. what i think they'll have a much harder time need to make some nod to the culture concerns of these voters. if the bill clinton circa 1992 were running this year, someone like colin kaepernick would have been ripe for a sister soulja moment. the least you can do for the country is stand up during the national anthem. no democrat would say except for ruth bader ginsburg and she had to apologize. >> i have heard from other democrats who do not want to

they're afraid it would make the base angry, that if bill clinton would figure out how to close this gap culturally. >> that's part of why particularly young people did not support his wife. right? you cannot -- we cannot just follow the conservative southern strategy to try to split working class people who are white from people of color. this is a moment for democrats and progressives of all sort to recognize that when you have a strate t propping up the 1% by dividing everybody else, you will always lose. it will always be close margins. >> also, that it was a change election. we saw it as early as the new hampshire primary. that she was not connecting -- not just to the working class voters but to the young people and to the women -- the young women. that generation gap was a major problem. >> i think another thing that will be difficult for democrats at the end of the bush years,

republicans were ready to move on from bush and the democrats can't move on from obama. >> that hurt the cent republicans in the '90s because they couldn't recover from reagan. reagan. mi - you don't have to wait for a yearbook to share your likes and dislikes. social media gives us instant access to one another, so make sure your kids share the right things online, like silly selfies.

end game time. at that "end game" time. at that infamous harvard session, both campaigns, andrea, you were there, you moderated, both campaigns didn't just tacitly blame the media they unload on it and made it a central part of the grievance from theni is it possible both campaigns are right? >> or wrong. i think look the media we all missed i. we missed a lot of signals. but in terms of coverage donald trump was live and unedited for months and months and months. he got his message through. hillary clinton did not get her message through and that is -- a fair complaint. but that's because of e-mails, that's because of a private server. there was a lot of blame that has not been acknowledged by them.

and her lack of transparency. they didn't have an economic message. a lot of blame but i think the coverage can be faulted from both sides for not being substantive. >> i know where you'll be on the quote/unquote liberal media, but do the clinton people have a case? >> i think the republican candidates felt that trump got extraordinary direct access to the media, but in the general election a lot of the cov think kelly ann is right. broadly speaking, people like us for a solid year treated them like idiots. so it's understandable that having pulled this extraordinary upset off, they might feel triumphant about it. >> part of the media going in before the night of the election saying it was pretty much impossible to trump to win, you had 25% of the trump voters who cast that ballot and didn't think he was unfit for

that there was a protest vote even within the trump vote. when people were looking at those polls and saying, this is just going to be a message vote. i'm going to send a message because clinton's obviously going to win. >> do you think in 20 years when historians look back on this, the media's role will be as high. or it will be celebrity culture that trump took advantage of a cultural moment? >> well, there will be a million books written about that by first is that the obama campaign did this in 2000 8 and the media, they like to go around the media. we don't need the media, we have twitter, we have texting. we have facebook. so they -- on the one hand, it's the media, on the other hand, we can make end runs around the media. what the media has done very poorly is to make congress inept. >> yeah. right. >> sorry. >> that's all right. i have to go. we'll try to alert the affiliates for a second hour.

we'll be back next week, maybe for two hours. because if it's sunday it's "meet the press." >> you can see more "end game" and postgame sponsored by boeing on the "meet the press" facebook page. it was just absolutely terrifying, just thinking of her being scared and hurt made you sick. she was a big smiling, beautiful part of our group. >> it was a stunning transformation. a young mom and teacher, who went from this to this. >> she was like, "look at what i've done." she was so proud. >> her girlfriends with her every high-energy step of the

just lighting up. >> but just as her new life began, so did the mystery. suddenly, she went missing. >> i told all the girls, y'all be prepared. >> no one would be prepared for what came next. >> i was astonished. >> it wasn't an accident. >> it's not natural, it's not right. >> and the most chilling part? >> do you think that heather would still be alive if she hadn't gone through this transformation? >> gosh. >> the motive behind i'm lester holt and this is "dateline." here's andrea canning with "the last dance." >> reporter: there's a place in downtown memphis, tennessee. a little hot spot not far from nearby beale street. they don't play the memphis blues in this club. in the sultry darkness of the rumba room, bodies sway to the

in april 2013, a woman named heather jones came in with her friend to dance the night away, wearing a brand-new news. >> how did she look that night? >> she had her head up so high, and her shoulders back and just beaming she felt absolutely beautiful. >> reporter: there was a time not too long ago when heather didn't feel very beautiful at all. but on this evening, she had the night of her life. >> she reay very much. she was being spun around and danced. >> reporter: just two nights later, everything spun out of control. >> breaking news about a missing germantown teacher. >> reporter: heather jones suddenly and inexplicably disappeared from her home. >> her car is in her driveway. her purse, keys and cell phone are missing. >> thinking of her being scared and hurt made you sick. >> reporter: what happened?