it also has the induction plate. with the square pan, you have more surface so you can fit more product into the pan. the ceramitech coating is new to the market -- very durable, easy to clean, gets up to 850 degrees, and chemical-free. the copper chef gets a five-star rating from me. >> all right, denise, you know what? i love mussels. i make them all the time. so, in order to make good mussels, we have that lid that holds in the heat. you want to get that pan really hot, get the mussels in. >> ooh, yeah. >> and then get the lid down. open, and that's what we want. >> gorgeous. >> look at my beautiful mussels. >> they look pretty good! >> they're absolutely gorgeous. so, you know what we're gonna do? i am going to plate these out. now, look at this. >> oh, my. >> i want to say i have a couple of hundred mussels in here. >> wow. that is a lot of mussels. [ laughs ] it's endless. >> this is what i do when i have company for breakfast. i always make a giant frittata. >> ooh! oh, my gosh. okay.

easiest way to cook for a large bunch of people. and, you know, our pan is designed with these high sides so i can get this out beautifully. but i can make a huge, giant frittata. look at that. >> that's a lot of eggs, yeah. >> and you know what? i could have made it twice as high. it's fantastic. >> because of those deep sides, right? of course, look at my pan. >> clean as a whistle. i just have to wipe that out, and then you know what? >> [ laughs ] right. >> i can makother one, depending on how many people i have. >> of course. oh, that looks really pretty, too. >> all right, so i'm gonna get in there. >> cut it up! >>e're gonna check it out. yum. >> oh, beautiful! oh, at that! potatoes. >> look at the beautiful size of this frittata. look at that. >> most typical pans don't hold up in an industrial kitchen, 'cause truly, they're not designed to be worked the way we put them to work. the beauty of the copper chef, it's very, very versatile. it's really strong. the riveted handle also provides a level of strength that you do

i can go right from the stovetop, directly in the oven, out of the oven, onto the dish. they were getting thrown around like regular pans, and so impressed how easyhey were to clean afterwards and how much they look like we just purchased them. >> so, now what we're gonna do, a little flamb?. what do you think? >> ooh! >> some bananas foster? we're not just gonna make a regular bananas foster. we're gonna add a little chocolate. >> i like that. >> you know why? 'cause chocolate's sticky and gooey. >> and delicious. >> and delicious. >> hello! >> and what else is stic gooey, and delicious? >> ah, mshmaows. you can't get more sticky than that. >> so, we're gna put a l o marshmallows in here. >>cae you have to wear these. >> all right. trust me. i'm a professional. >>h.ht. so, now what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna add our rum. >> mmm-mmm-mmm-mmm-mmm. >> we're gonna get a lot of rum in there. what i want to do is i want to make a real dramatic impact. >> okay. >> so, guys, can we lower the lights? >> and i'm gonna step back just a little. >> yeah, you step back. ready? >> let's see. ooh! >> look at that. now, ordinary nonstick, you can't hat.

850 degrees. >> oh. >> look at that. >> aw, it's beautiful. now wt to get in there, and we want to plate this over. >> that looks good. >> nothing is sticking, all right?e i'm gonna plate it up over some ice cream. >> oh, my word. >> now, look at that. >> [ gasps ] a only care about the food at this point, but look at my pan. i have flamb?ed it. i've put marshmallows in here. i put chocolate in here. >> wow. >> i torched it. >> i know. >> and now it's clean as a whistle, and i could start cooking again if i wanted to. >> announcer: are your kitchen drawers starting to look like a bad garage sale -- steamers, rice cookers, roasters p innovative in design and made of the highest-quality craftsmanship? and what if you could cook with

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or go online right now. >> denise, my goal is to amaze you today. i made a lasagna. i did it right in this pan, right on the stovetop. >> oh! that's ingenious! >> grab that plate for me, because you got to see this. now, when i take the lasagna see this ooey, gooey lasagna. >> look at the layers! >> look at that. it's absolutely gorgeous. >> oh, and the cheese. >> that is lasagna for like 12 people. all right, how about a chicken pot pie? i'm gonna start the chicken on the stovetop. you add these for me. >> okay. you know, this is a great idea for leftovers, isn't it? >> yeah. you know, we always have some leftover chicken, or maybe you just have some raw chicken that you want to cook and brown on the bottom of the pan. >> i'll take that for you. >> thank you. now we're gonna add just some cream soup. >> wow. ooh! listen to it go!

>> all right, so, now, i'm just gonna give it a stir. >> okay. >> even when i'm stirring this hot, creamed chicken, nothing is sticking to the pan. >> it's not. yeah. looking good. >> now, help me out. >> oh, yeah, yeah! of course. >> we're gonna put in these biscuits. >> some biscuits. >> look at that. >> never thought of doing this. >> [ laughs ] this is how to do it the easy way. >> right. i like it. >> all right. now i'm gonna take it right into the oven. >> nice! >> we're gonna cook this at 375. of course, i have an extra one made for you. >> tv magic! >> oh, look at this. >> that's gorgeous. i'll get the oven for you. >> oh, those biscuits are >> they certainly are. >> look at that. >> [ gasps ] that's pretty! >> all right. now, that handle's hot, 'cause i just took it out of the oven. >> okay. >> oh, man. are you kidding me? >> that looks fantastic. >> all right, let's get another biscuit on here. what do you think? >> oh, absolutely. >> oh, yeah. let's get this one. look at that. >> haven't had pot pie since i was a kid. and, let me tell you, it wasn't homemade. it was the kind that you bought in the freezer department. >> yeah. you don't want to eat that. >> no good. >> look at that. oh, man. >> that's beautiful. >> 'cause i said i wanted to get rid of every appliance in your cabinet and all of your other

you this fry basket. look at that beautiful fried chicken. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. my favorite part is the crispy! >> oh! >> i'm sorry. >> you know what? that's where it all counts right there. >> mm-hmm! >> how about some snacks? >> okay, snacks. >> all right. >> surely, you need oil for popcorn. >> not in my pan. >> no way! >> look at that. all right. so, i have the heat on there. >> yeah. >> all right. now, in order to air-pop our popcorn, we have to put the lid on. so let's let that go, 'cause i rid of in your cabinet. >> okay. >> how about your deep-dish pie dish? >> shut the front door. >> [ laughs ] that's right. >> you're making a pie in there? >> i am making a pie in here. >> oh, no way! >> let me show you how easy it is to do. all right. >> okay. >> so, you hold that plate for me. >> gotcha. >> now, i take four pieces of pie dough. and you get this in any supermarket. >> beautiful! >> lay them all down like this. and then... >> no way! >> ...i take this giant can of apples, right? >> whoa! >> or you can just use five regular cans.

size of this thing! >> look at that. i mean, can you imagine? look at that. all right, now, help me out. >> okay. >> all we have to do is fold these over, just like this, yeah. >> fold it over. okay. >> 1...2...3. >> that's it? [ gasps ] >> you get the fourth one. >> oh, my gosh. >> it doesn't even have to be perfect. >> right. >> can you open that? thank you. >> yeah. you know i can. >> now i'm gonna bake this at 375 degrees. >> okay. >> and, denise, you know me. you know i had to have one ready for you. >> that's what that is. >> that is, yes! >> that's apple pie? >> this apple pie for like 16 people. look at this. e >> unbelievable. >> come on! >> look at that. [ laughs ] >> all right. now, take a look at my caramel sauce in here. >> oh, yeah! yes. >> watch what happens when i pull across. this is like the stickiest substance in the entire world. >> wow. >> look at that. >> yeah. that looks really good. >> that's beautiful, right? okay, so, now, i'm gonna give you a little for your apple pie. >> awesome. you know what i like? in a square pan, you've got a little pour spout built right in. >> hey, you know what? that's something i didn't even think of. >> ah. >> don't eat that yet. [ laughs ]

we're gonna pour my peanuts. >> oh, some peanuts? put them in first? >> yeah. remember that snack we used to eat when we were kids? >> yes! of course. >> that's right. i'm gonna get the caramel sauce all over that. >> oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. can i stir that up for you? >> oh, man. i wish you would. >> okay. >> now, look at how my caramel is sheeting off the pan. look at this. >> oh! >> all right. you know what? i think you earned yourself a piece of apple pie with caramel sauce. what do you think? >> i'm going for a spoon, 'cause i want to really get some caramel on there. >> yeah, you get in there. i'm gonna get in there, too. >> okay. >> oh, man! i can tell you, copper chef will be your go-to pan in the kitchen time after time. toss out your old-fashioned pans. step up to the next generation of nonstick. order your copper chef ceramic pan right now. >> announcer: are your kitchen drawers starting to look like a bad garage sale -- steamers, rice cookers, roasters, slow cookers? and just how many pots and pans does one kitchen really need? and every time you cook, cleanup's a disaster.

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the preceding paid presentation for copper chef was brought to you by you by tristar products incorporated. in 2016? >> number one, you don't know it. i don't know it. specific report to say otherwise. that's the first thing. the second thing i would tell you is that you don't have any proof that the outcome of the election -- forget who did the hacking. >> do you want to know? >> someone did the hacking. >> does president-elect trump want to know? does he want to know. >> what specific -- of course we want to know. >> there's going to be an investigation. >> he wants an investigation? >> i don't know what

we do want to know. what i don't want to do is have a debate with you over an unnamed source that the article said was inconclusive over who haksed and why they hacked. someone hacked. we don't like that. i don't like it. no one wants it. we want to protect american interests. it's america first. i don't want the dnc hacked. i don't want anybody hacked. i don't know who did the hacking. that's my point. >> you dispute 17 agencies that have assessed that russia agents were behind this? you dispute this? >> chuck, this is insane. in the same article about the 17 agencies, it said it was inconclusive. >> it was inconclusive about vladimir putin, reince. it was not inconclusive that russian agents were involved. there's a difference. i understand why you are trying to parse this. but there is a difference. do you not believe any of this?

the article is based on a lie that the rnc was hacked. so the entire premise of the article is false. the sources are unnamed. the report was inconclusive. i don't want anyone hacked. okay? the point is though, we need to find out more facts about this situation. then we can make intelligence decisions. you and i can have more intelligent conversation about what to do about it. >> reince priebus, we have to >> you bet. >> until we meet again. thanks for coming on. >> you bet. when we come back, 12 members of congress have seen the full cia assessment. we will hear from the top democrat, one of the 12, adam schiff of california. before we go to break, we have one final election result from 2016 to report. louisiana held its senate runoff election yesterday to replace david vitor.

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welcome back. when the white house had intelligence about russia and the election to share with congress, they convened a gong of 12. these are house and senate members. one of those attending the meeting was congressman adam schiff of california. he heard the evidence that russia was trying to tip the scales in donald trump's favor. schiff is the top democrat in the house intelligence committee. welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks. >> my interview with reince priebus, the incoming chief of staff. he was denying, was looking for sourced information that would somehow prove this allegation was not ready to accept the conclusions of the intelligence reports that say russia was at least trying to do something with this election. obviously, the cia went further. what can you share with us to prove something to reince

this? >> first of all, i thought that interview was breath taking. there's no doubt that the russians hacked our institutions. you don't have the director of national intelligence making a public statement the way he did in october without there being a broad consensus of all the intelligence agencies. frankly, i don't know a democrat or republican who has heard the intelligence that would quarrel with those conclusions. i think that's fact one. the russians definitely -- this was not china, this wasn't a 400 anyone else. this was the russians. second, in terms of what the russians were after, they were after discord and in this they were successful. but it wasn't alone. they had a candidate with pro-putin, pro-russian views who belittled nato, who was willing to potentially remove sanctions on russia and by contrast they had in secretary clinton a candidate very tough on russia

protest, the mass demonstrations against the corruption in the russian elections in 2011. you would have to believe -- i can't go into the classified information. but you would have to believe that the uniform nature of the hacking and the dumping of information that was damaging to secretary clinton and helpful to donald trump was both coincidental and accidental and the russians didn't know what they were doing to believe that they had no interestin one candidate that simply is not credible. >> i understand that. let me play devil's advocate here. this happened before with intelligence assessments, which is political figures essentially it's a form of confirmation bias. they only see the intelligence that supports a point of view they have going into it. is there any chance here this is confirmation bias on the intelligence community in general or on those folks that are interpreting the intelligence? >> no, i don't think so. i think the circumstantial

talk about publically, is so profound that you would really have to believe that to accept reince priebus's argument that they aren't capable of hacking. the russians have demonstrated they can hack practically any government institution, any private institution. it's not a credible argument. the fact that we have a president-elect who is willing to disregard the overwhelming evidence on the basis of the russian involvement in the hacking of institutions, tells me this will be a president who will disregard even the best assessments of the intelligence community when it doesn't suit his own version of events. that is extraordinarily damaging. i will say one other thing. the reason that this russian campaign has so successful is that you have the rare specter of a presidential candidate and president-elect willing to give the russians cover.

russians can put out on their tv and the sputnik that the president-elect of the united states doesn't believe they were involved. that is so extraordinarily beneficial to russian propaganda. it what made this so powerful. and so damaging to us. >> let me ask you this. in "the washington post" story, apparently the president wanted to go public this w this information and wanted to have a bipartisan statement about it. apparently, two republicans and objected to it. what can you say about that allegation in "the washington post"? >> well, i can say this. we certainly have had gang of eight and other briefings on this issue. we have had plenty of discussions both before the election and we have had briefings since the election about the russian meddling and there wasn't a bipartisan agreement either before and i think we are seeing some

investigating thereafter. but i can say this. there was really nothing preventing the administration on its own from being more declaratory in terms of what the intelligence showed. i have an urgent administration to be more forthcoming with the public. i think they should. i think we should work with our european allies to sanction this behavior. >> you think the decision to not come out as definitively before the election was a mistake by president obama? >> i do. i think it was a mistake earlier frankly not to react mo hacked us. i think those kind of -- that lack of deterrence invited the russians to meddle and consider they could do this with impunity. i hope we will have a bipartisan joint investigation of the intelligence communities or a commission like my colleagues are proposing, this ought to be a non-partisan issue. this is not about re-litigating the election. it's about getting good information to the american people about what happened and

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welcome back. it's panel time. rick stengel joins us. welcome be a to civilian life. kimberly, great to see you. doris and michael. let me start with the former rnc chair. first of all -- >> that was fun. >> it's clear that they want to -- that the trump folks want to zero in on this narrow question about whether the rnc was hacked. a former head of the rnc, what do you know? >> what i do know is all the -- reince was right in terms of

to them, that there was no hacking, per se, of the rnc. that's been a very clear. i think where the cross was, was on the distinction between whether or not trump is going to accept the report of the cia that says that there was evidence that the russians were involved generally in this race. not necessarily specifically with hacking the rnc. there's no evidence of that. but with respect to their involvement, their fingerprint on this election, that's the question. >> look, there's two parts to this story. i can see this is why reince is unhappy. the first part was russia involved in hacking institutions and generally creating discord. everyone can agree that happened. >> not everyone is agreeing to that. >> i understand. but what they are unhappy about and legitimately so is the piece of the story for which there is no evidence this was done to aid donald trump. i spoke to intelligence

they took information and obviously distributed it. they got on the rnc system. they weren't able to get information out. the idea this was done to help donald trump, that that's the evidence for this that they didn't put -- rnc information out, so this is them in favor of trump, that's not the question. >> the bigger question isn't about whether it impacted the election. we're having a dispute about the fact of russia's involvement. >> there's a globalor russia is the principal actor and the most malign actor. we have seen this from the state department for years. it's along a continuum. on the hard end is cyber terrorism and infiltration. the soft end is russia today and sputnik. candidate trump quoted russia today's stories and sputnik stories during the campaign. part of the idea is to undermine our institutions, undermine democracy, question the election and, in fact, it's a victory for

we are talking about it. >> who won? >> questioning the election. >> that's what they were trying to do. >> what's troubling is that to cast aspersions on the cia before you have taken the oath of office. he is going to have to use the professionals there. yes, they have made mistakes. they made mistakes but to bring that up right away, you are going to need those professionals. many of them have died for us. many of the men and women have done noble things that we may not know about. of course, they screw up at times. to use this example -- i don't see -- there's nothing wrong with them saying they hacked us and yet i won the election. nobody is saying he wouldn't have won anyway. >> actually, people are. you have to put -- >> that's a broader context. >> there are people staging recounts. there are people suggesting in "the new york times" that maybe he only won this because russia interfered with the election. by the way, what makes more sense? i was struck by representative schiff saying, this just isn't credible.

this to help elect donald trump, we're saying the russians were the only people in the whole world who knew that donald trump was going to win -- had a possibility of winning this election. even the trump campaign didn't think this. what makes more sense? they did this because they assumed that hillary clinton would be the president. this was a way of delegitimizing what they thought would be her presidency. >> let's go to rex tillerson. it seems an odd time to push this idea. it's very there's something personally about rex that appeals to him. i have talked to people close to him. i get -- there's a lot that he likes about him. it seems a lot for the political system to handle the day after the cia comes out with this assessment, vladimir putin's buddy. >> there's a little indigestion there for the political folks. >> can he survive this? >> i think he can. i think from donald trump's perspective, back to your point, he likes this. he likes this pot being stirred the way it's being stirred,

meddle of the individual's involved. he gets to measure the circumstances. tillerson is someone he really likes. i don't think this scares him off of tillerson. i think for donald trump, this is an opportunity to double down on that and to double down on the conversation about the russian's involvement. >> but what i would say is rex tillerson -- our diplomacy is it's not about cutting better deals. our diplomacy is about alliances. we have a candidate who undermined the power of nato, article 5, one for all and all for one. we have a secretary of state in rex tillerson who has this personal relationship, which is fine. but if it is just about cutting deals, then that's not what our diplomacy is about. >> but actually, it is. in a real sense, those

>> they are but -- >> the way the american people see the transactions over the last 15, 20 years has resulted in a lot of bad policy. >> over and over i've been in the room with the secretary of state where he is with foreign ministers and heads of state. you know what he talks about? freedom of speech, religion, diversity, tolerance. those are the issues that we talk about. it's not just about cutting deals. >> i think what's so important about the secretary of state role is that right now we have got a lot of generals in the administration, which i think is a great thing. they no anybody else. we have more respect for the military than anyone else. they will not send people into battle as easily as they need to. you need the civilian/military balance. the secretary of state role is more important. >> you have to land this at some point. we have to go to commercial break. terrific conversation. when we come back, we will switch topics. switch topics. we will talk about wha energy is a complex challenge.

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welcome back. joining me and the panel is mike rowe. you may know mike from his series on the discovery channel "dirty jobs." he has written a post that has gone viral in which he says it's no coincidence that donald trump got elected at the same time that "dirty jobs" is successful. welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me at the grown-up table. it's a big day for me. >> thanks for not posing. you are in what we want to see

>> all my suits are rubber. >> you know, you wrote this has been about -- this election in many ways has been about the sort of -- what feels like the forgotten middle class, blue collar jobs. you wrote, what will that mean -- you wrote this in your facebook -- excuse me back in february 15, it seems clear companies are responding to rising labor costs by embracing automation faster than ever. we know what it means. they feel desperate. >> yeah. the greatest threat to freedom was total anarchy. the second was total efficiency. there's a pretty interesting conversation about meaningful work, i think. honestly, it's a bit beyond my pay grade on "dirty jobs" the big lesson was there's an awful lot of people who are doing

really pays affirmative attention to. when we showed up and started do that, the conversations that came out of that were really interesting. now with the benefit of hindsight, somewhat press yent. we were hearing things at the network that were uncannily familiar to the conversations we were hearing around the gop. we didn't have the show on discovery that anybody thought would be a hit. and yet dozens of shows have emanated from that very thing. there are a lot of parallels. >> when i went to a working class county in michigan, i was talking to a guy that runs a fast growing manufacturing thing. he had this to say to me about the whole exercise of job retraining and what it means for somebody in their 40s. >> if you've been on this floor doing work and you are 40 years

computer job. you want to make things. that's part of the problem. you can have thousands of really good training programs. but the training needs to be the vocational. then there has to be the job openings. >> we always focus on job retraining. it's always about computers. it's always about -- it's about engineering. nothing wrong with that. but it's almost as if we're saying, those other jobs, they are going away. it's okay. some people want to touch things. >> people ask me all the time, what's the big takeaway from and there were many. for me, the thing i keep coming back to is the idea that as a group, there was a level of job satisfaction that was undeniable and surprising. it has to do with the ability to complete a task. people with dirty jobs by and large -- hate to generalize, they always know how they're doing every step of the way. we have almost taken that out of work today. your desk i'm sure it's

you don't have visual cues. >> you touched on this. one of the things that got lost in the campaign is the difference between automation and globalization. everybody is accusing globalization of the thing that lost our jobs. when i was at "time" we did a story on a factory in upstate new york. 5,000 people making batteries. now it had 20 people making -- even more than it was before. that's not about -- people do lose their jobs because of automation, noob >> yeah. i wouldn't deny it. i would also say at the same time the thing that gets left out of the conversation is the fact that there are 5.8 million jobs available right now. we have a lot of people out of work and many more out of the work force specifically. 5.8 million jobs in the skills gap has to tell us something about opportunity. our enthusiasm for work, our desire to find a job that may

jump into it with both lands and see where it takes us. >> it shows that this dignity that these people feel toward their jobs. job is more than just how you pay your bills and what you are doing for your family and what kid can go to college. it's what you feel when you go to work every day. somehow i think that's what mr. trump was able to tell the story to those people saying i'm going to make america great again, whether it's real or not to bring back some of the manufacturing jobs. he made people feel connected. that's what a politician does. emotll feelings you are feeling. i think your show shows that. >> i call it the -- it's a wonderful life phenomenon where if you look at somebody's job, one of the best ways you can pay an honest attribute is imagine the world they are in without that job. the minute you see he that, the sewage worker, garbage person, all of it gets elevated. but it's very much for sale today.

>> how much of this is our education system and also our leaders in that the message these days to every kid is, if you don't go to four-year college that somehow -- we got rid of vocational training. the smartest people i knew -- i grew up in a blue collar community. smartest people, almost all are skilled tradesmen. they knew that's what they wanted to do, were good as as well. >> you have to be a generalist when you are in that world. the age of the specialist, the generalist need to run electric and hang drywall and do all of these things. that doesn't take a small brain. $1.3 trillion in student loans. we're pushing the same path for the most people as though it really is some sort of panacea. the 5.8 million jobs, 70% don't require the four-year degree. somewhere between knowledge and

actually exist. >> i want to end on that note. that was what i took away from you in our conversation, which is, let's celebrate work. let's celebrate all -- these jobs, make people feel better about working some of these jobs. >> dirty job is a good job. >> absolutely. >> mike rowe, this was great. >> thanks for having me. >> hope we can have you back again. >> i will be back next week. >> because if it's sunday, it's mike rowe. this is a dirty job. it's a different type of dirt. wwi we will talk about donald trump has been saying about russian involvement in the election just involvement in the election just this morning. make sure you're keeping up with your kids' online accounts and the social media they're using. talk with them about appropriate online behavior. being proactive and involved is the best way to protect your kids from predators and bullies.

we are back now with end game. donald trump has been talking this morning. we have been learning he is still not acknowledging this russian involvement, doesn't believe it. is there a are overdenying? >> i don't think there is any problem in acknowledging that russia would like to destabilize this country and took actions to do so and to express you're rage about that. >> why isn't he doing that? >> again, because i think this story as it was presented this weekend mixed up these questions of whether or not russia was involved, but also the suggestion that somehow that made his election ill legitimate. that is what they are pushing back against.

separating it out. >> i think they will. i think they will get over this hurdle. they will make their case about -- as we saw reince do this morning. but i think at the end, they will because the tillerson nomination potentially will force them to. >> doris, go bigger picture for me here as you are better at than anybody, which is to have a president-elect go after the cia like this. presidents and the cia have had disputes before. it usually doesn't bubble up this public. >> nixon had enormous hostility toward the cia. but he knew the cia knew he had been trying to win his election by having a back channel talk with the south vietnamese to stop peace taltalks johnson wan to start. he promises or his campaign did that if do you there deal, will give you a better deal. he never said anything. obviously, they -- as i said before, the cia has made mistakes. but they have done extraordinary

you have to work with them. a lot will be there. what does it do to morale to do this? i hope he pulls back on the cia and mentioning wmb. >> i think that larger issue -- we have been nibbling around -- there's this information threat to the u.s. and a lot of it comes from russia. what are we going to do about it? what happened when the berlin wall fell is it was the end of history for us. we retreated. the russians realized, the wall fell without firing a shot. it fell because of the in u.s. pioneered. they started building up. they started building up television stations throughout the periphery. they started all of these places. this is now a threat to us. you don't have to invade a country if you control its information space. >> given -- >> we have forgotten about the cold war. that's part of the problem. not me but others are young. >> not john mccain. >> and not vladimir putin. >> it's important to remember, it's a long history. we have an adversary there. this is a direct attempt by what

hack our system. >> what are you going to do? >> you have to do something about it. >> what does the obama administration that has been pushing to get into the public about russia's involvement, what does it do between now and inauguration of the incoming administration? that becomes the big question for the trump administration once that -- if obama does something, do they continue that or do they do something different? >> you talked about picking a fight with the cia. there's a difference between picking the fight with the agency or with the unnamed leadership that is putting out some of this information, which i'm sure if you are in the trump camp does seem to be highly political to a certain degree. >> i will leave it there. what a show. what a week. i feel like i say it every week, which i'm sure we will. that's all we have for today. the two-hour special that i would always love to have, we can't make happen. we will be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's

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