quick check on today's weather. tucker barnes has that down in the weather sent -- center. >> i think cloudy today with sunshine working in here and there and most of the day should be dry. here is your satellite radar and the shower activity quickly pushing off to the east. you can see the cloud cover hanging tough. a few breaks of sunshine, a few breaks in the clouds here during the morning hours but with a cold front not too far out to the west, that will have a tendency to push in more clouds today. so partly cloudy conditions expected. should be warmer today. highs back into the 70s after a cool one yesterday. currently 57 at reagan national. 54 in frederick. 62 in ocean city. and 57 in fredericksberg. here is your forecast. more clouds and sun, could be a few more showers this afternoon and 74 the daytime high. and again that's about 10-12 degrees warmer than what we had around here yesterday. more details on the forecast in just a couple of minutes.

allison and tony, back up stairs to you. we continue this morning with more on the death of 9/11 mastermind osama bin laden. this is the look at what is believed to be video of the attack that killed him. the fiery raid was carried out by a small u.s. military team yesterday in pakistan. >> audrey barnes is live outside of the white house with more on the attack. good morning, audrey. >> reporter: good morning, tony. president obama gave the order last friday to carry out this raid after getting detailed information about that million dollar compound in pakistan. the facility had 18-foot tall walls that were topped with bashed wire, there was no phone or internet service. all of the mail coming in was also burned. once they determined that it was indeed osama bin laden's hideout, agents moved in. what is believed to be osama bin laden's compound in pakistan is now in flames. what happened here was the culmination of the most intense manhunt in history. a team of u.s. special forces

raided the property in pakistan. they have been watching it since august. less than 40 miles outside of pakistan's capital city of islamabad. late last night the president made the announcement from the white house. >> no americans were harmed. they took care to avoid civilian casualties. after a fire fight, they killed osama bin laden and took custody of his body. >> reporter: a handful of others were killed as well. including possibly bin laden's son and a woman who was said to be used as a human shield. this manhunt began immediately after the attacks of september 11th that bin laden planned and bank rolled. and then it seemed like his capture would come soon. >> i don't care, dead or alive, either way. >> reporter: but bin laden alluded capture year after year. so how was it that he was able to build a compound right in the midst of a pakistani army town not far from a military

academy? >> we have a problem with pakistan. everybody is talking about it. this will highlight it. they've got to do more to help. >> reporter: but in the end, almost ten years of u.s. intelligence work paid off and the leader of the most feared terrorist network on the planet is now dead. the u.s. state department has issued a travel advisory for pakistan. security is being tightened in the homeland as well. tony, back to you. >> audrey barnes reporting from the white house. thank you. osama bin laden has been blamed for a number of attacks, including fight 77. 59 people on the plane and 125 people at the pentagon were killed that day. this morning there are new security warnings following the death of bin laden last night. and we get more now from fox 5's sarah simmons live at the pentagon memorial. sarah, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, allison. it was definitely quiet when we first got here this morning but we are starting to see people

who are showing up, it looks like a school group that has just arrived since we have been here to take a look at the area. of course a lot of people we do expect that will be coming down here after word of osama bin laden's death but a lot of people that we have talked with already this morning say they know this is not an end to the terrorist threat we've been dealing. already this morning al-qaeda followers have been vowing revenge. we have increased security. here at home metro transit police are increasing security and beefing up officers, you may additional metro transit police at metro stops and some security increases that you may not see. the state department has also issued an alert for u.s. embassies and also worldwide travel as well for any folks that were alerted after president obama's speech last night of an enhanced potential for anti-american violence. so for people who live abroad or are traveling, they want

them, especially in areas that have dealt with anti-american violence, to stay inside and limit their travel. now we spoke with a gentleman here just a little while ago about his thoughts about security concerns and also we talked with congressman jim moran. let's hear what they had to say about security concerns from here on out. >> i don't think they're going to attack us again. what have they learned? i'm hoping that we get rid of the grievances on this planet so people can get along. >> we talk about the security concerns, well who makes the call in who decides the level of attack, where there might be an attack, probably there will be an attack? al as erie. that means the control of al- qaeda would have to shift to

the egyptian leadership which is a different perspective than osama bin laden provided. >> reporter: now back here live at the pentagon memorial. you may be able to see flowers that have already been placed at sites here. and we were talking with a gentleman you saw a moment ago who was also making his way out here through the memorial, taking a look. it appears as though people are starting to leave nowers. and one man came across a note which we are in the process of trying to find that said we got osama bin laden. that's the latest here at the pentagon memorial, back to you. >> sarah simmons live. thank you, sarah. news of bin laden's death set off celebrations in the streets of manhattan last night. crowds chanted and cheered at ground zero. it was a similar scene in times square where firefighters have been joining in on the celebrations. we're going to head live to new york for an update coming up in just about ten minutes. we continue our coverage of the death of osama bin laden this morning. >> coming up next, we'll go live to new york city for

reaction from people there. much more ahead this morning. we're back right after the break. it's 6 minutes after the hour.

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the news of osama bin laden's death is obviously having a worldwide impact. it's making headlines around the globe. joining us now by phone terrorism expert dr. neal livingstone. he has expensive knowledge of osama bin laden. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> what is your reaction to this news that came out last night that osama bin laden has been killed? >> well obviously all of us have waited a long time for this. and i think it was expected that we would get him sooner than we did. if not in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, then certainly within a couple of years. fact it's taken ten years to do so has made the victory all the sweeter, i suppose, that we were finally able to track him

down and bring him to justice. >> you have been described time and time again as one of the nation's preimminent authorities on terrorism and in fact you predicted these terrible attacks on 9/11 and that osama bin laden would be behind it six months before this would happen. giving us perspective on that, you say it took us longer, but your reaction to the intelligence community coming together and taking this man down in the way they did. >> we knew he was someplace in pakistan and we expected he was probably up in the northwest along the border of -- with afghanistan in what is known as waziristan and he may have been there for a number of years but we had hoped he would move into a city. that's where we captured sheikh mohammed and captured other senior al-qaeda figures. up in the mountain it's was very difficult to launch any

type of action and act on real- time information. there just weren't cell phone districts. someone con just pick up the phone and drop the dime on osama bin laden. by the time we got the intelligence, often he had moved on. so we knew if we had him in a city, that someone would betray him or that we could pick up the movements of his couriers coming in and out of a single location. and that's apparently what happened. >> that would explain why -- some were questioning that he was in this home, described as eight times the size of neighboring homes, but not as easy as someone pointing the figure and saying that's where he is because of the communication or connectivity that we take for granted? >> that's right. and that home, while it was larger than most of the surrounding homes, was nonetheless typical of the area. there are a lot of homes there that have high walls, that have other defensive measures.

in fact, a number of pakistani senior generals live up in adjacent to the area where we found osama bin laden. so it wasn't that unusual that someone went in there and built a large fortified compound. now what it appears that someone should have been watching earlier, perhaps in pakistan, was the fact that i think the compound we're going to find was in the fame of one of his couriers and a man that didn't really have any substance or means. so it almost suggested that he was fronting for someone else. but there are so many tribal war lords and other nefarious characters there that it could have been anyone. >> and a u.s. official said to routers that the orders were to kill and not to capture bin laden. are you surprised by that? >> no, not at all. in fact that's been the

operational goal all along, because the worst possible outcome was always deemed to be capturing him and bringing him back to the united states in shackles and having to put him on trial and ultimately executing him. that would have been a long, drawn-out procedure and given him a pulpit and it was always appearing that that would spark a continuous series of terrorist attacks around the globe by his followers as they were protesting his incarceration. so no, we wanted him dead. >> dr. neal livingstone is the chairman and ceo of executive action a crisis management firm here in washington. thank you for joining us by phone today. >> thank you. president obama called presidents bill clinton and george bush before making the announcement. >> president bush said quote, this momentous achievement marks a victory for america, for people who seek peace around the world and for all of

those who lost loved ones on september 11th, 2001. and he said the us sent an unmistakable message, no matter how long it takes, justice will be done. and it was fearly ten years ago that two planed slammed into the world trade center, one into the pentagon and north into a field in shanksville, pennsylvania, an attack planned by osama bin laden. nearly 3,000 people were killed in those attacks. highest death toll coming from the world trade center attack and crowds gathered there and at ground zero to celebrate the death. antwan lewis is live in lower manhattan with more this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, allison. i can tell you, you normally see this type of attitude and atmosphere in new york around new year's eve as the ball drops at times squarement but that was also the case last night. just a sense of elation.

let's show you all new yorkers at the news the minute the president finished his speech. people flocked down here to times square and waving american flags and chanting usa. there was a mets-phillies game going on and the minute the news passed around the audience, they were checking phones and then shouting usa. what is funny about that story is the fact that the players on the field didn't know what was going on. it was the people in the crowd shouting usa and somebody had to let them know what is going on. i'm going to show you what is going on here. 2752 people lost their lives that day nearly 10 years ago when the attacks happened. you can see people milling about because wall street is right next to us, they are going in that direction now. but a lot of the people that are still here, just a little bit behind me, many of them have been here since late last night after the president made

the 9 minute speech letting everyone know what is going on. you are now looking up into the sky where the towers used to be where construction on the replacement monument tower is going on right now. and also want to call your attention to the front of the new york post today. it said two words, "got him." all of the news is done. osama bin laden is dead." got him." and it lets you know there is a sense of camaraderie and brotherhood, just the unification of americans all reacting to that. we expensed that in new york and other parts of the country, particularly in new york in the days after 9/11. people just hugging each other and giving a head nod or just a knowing look, sharing in the sense of grief, if that was the case then, and it is the complete opposite of that now, the sense of pride and jubilation as i imagine it is also in d.c. where you are. >> it certainly was.

especially last night around the white house. antwan lewis live from ground zero, thank you so much. and now to the white house where crowds also gathered to celebrate the end of this chapter in history. the search for the world's most wanting terror suspect over after nearly 10 years. holly morris is live with an update. holly? >> reporter: good morning, tony. it was one of those things where people felt the need to do something and that something was this spontaneous celebration outside of the white house. take a look at these pictures. this was the scene here last night. much like they were describing there in new york at ground zero. thousands took to the streets. they were chanting usa, they were singing god bless america. they came here even before the president had addressed the nation because the news had leaked out that osama bin laden had indeed been killed. many said it was important for them to be here at the white house. it was important for them to cheer loudly because they wanted the president to hear for himself their joy and elation at the news.

of course this morning the crowds are much less and it's dwindled a little bit but the people that kim -- that came out this morning are wanting to celebrate justice long overdue. >> it shows the world that we can get rid of bad people like that and that was -- that was just an awesome thing. and it was a -- a group effort from everyone. >> when we saw president obama speaking on tv and saw everyone out in front and how elated everyone was, we just -- i don't know why, it was just something instinctive. >> it's something for our generation. the previous generation had the berlin wall coming down and this is was our berlin wall and to be with everybody and share what they had in 1989. >> and once i heard the great news we had to come to d.c. for this. it was awesome. thank god that piece of garbage is dead. >> i was electfied by the news of the capture and killing of osama bin laden so much so that i had to come down here and

bear witnessness in front of this white house where my president resides with his two daughters and say thank you, thank you mr. president. thank you, america. because you've rid the world of a terrible person. this is like getting rid of hitler. >> reporter: and interestingly enough it was on may 1st, back in 1945, when germany came out with the announcement that hitler had been killed. what we're seeing now this morning as the day progresses in front of the white house, there are still a few people coming, in of them bringing with them a washington post and taking pictures of what happened yesterday, what happened at this white house and marking this historical moment. back to you in the studio. >> holly, thank you very much. meanwhile, we are following some breaking news from prince william county, virginia. sky fox is live over a house explosion on wayne drive and triangle. look at these pictures. prince william county fire officials tell us they were called out around 8:15 this

morning for a report of an explosion and fire. when they got on the scene there was no fire but a heavy smell of gas. one person in the home was injured. they are being treated right now. we don't know the extent of their injuries. once again, this is a house fire in triangle,, or house explosion in triangle virginia. we'll bring you more once it becomes available. and the state of virginia passing the buck for police and other first responders. who will now have to pick up the tab. that's next. and the news on the deadly string of tornadoes that ripped through the south last week. we have more ahead. don't go anywhere. it's 9:21. 

massive clean-up efforts under way in the wake of deadly tornadoes in the south last week. homeland security secretary janet napolitano toured hard- hit neighborhoods in alabama

and mississippi over the weekend. over 300 are dead and a fema administrator said the biggest challenge now for the survivors is housing. >> like i said, my words are not enough to express the extent of the damage but i can appreciate what the people of alabama are doing right now. we will stand with them all the way. >> six disaster centers have opened in alabama and the feds are on the ground in kentucky, tennessee, mississippi and georgia. we are learning now details about the suspect in the murder of the lulu lemon store in bethesda. now according to the washington post, court records from 2007 show that brittany norwood punched and through things at a former boyfriend. he obtained a judge's order to keep her away but she later violated that order, following him and his new girlfriend in a car. a new bench warrant was issued for her arrest and the warrant expired. she accused of killing her co-

worker in march and creating a story to try to cover the murder up. a shift in funding in virginia for deaths and injury that's happen in the line of duty. local governments are now footing the bill for death benefits and disability and death benefits for police, fire and rescue rather than the state. but virginia will still clover state police. funding for the program was eliminated by the lawmakers in the most recent state budget to try to cut costs. it's 9:26 and we continue to follow our top story. the most wanted man in the world is dead. osama bin laden killed in a weekend raid in pakistan. ahead we'll talk with a former council to the 9/11 commission for her reaction to today's big news. plus a few showers passed through the area this morning. tucker is up next with more on what we can expect this week weather-wise. 9:26. stay with us. we're back in a moment. [ male announcer ] are you watching cable?

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the death of bin laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation's effort to defeat al- qaeda. yet his death does not mark the end of our effort. there is to doubt that al-qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. >> our top story this morning, the major announcement from the president that osama bin laden has been killed. the news sparking reaction across the country and the world this morning. joining us with more on the news is the director of national security policy at the center for immigration studies, janis kephart, also a former council to the 9/11 commission. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me. >> first question, i guess we're asking everybody, your reaction to hearing the news last night? >> well i've been if national security now for 15 years and this is the best news i've had in what i do in all of the years and specially since 9/11.

i think the hit to our national identity was hit since 9/11. and i think we had forgotten and it was where is he and i think it's a real boon for national identity for our facing and our country. >> and we are talking about this has been a ten-year hunt but it goes back farther than that? >> it was. when i was back on the senate judiciary committee when our offices in africa were bombed, he was behind that and most wanted then. but it took him hitting our shores on 9/11 to focus on that. and so for the fbi and the intelligence community, bin laden has been there since the mid 1990s when he realized al- qaeda was a terrorist organization bent on hitting both american military and civilians as well. >> you mentioned it was a hit or our identity but you mentioned it was a big hit to our intelligence community which came in for quite a bit of criticism around the time of

9/11. you can talk to me about that? >> sure. one of the things as 9/11 commission council, the thing that everybody remembers about us most is the intelligence reform act of 2004 and how our chair and vice chair worked so hard to get that through congress and there was controversy over that. we created the director of national intelligence, 16 intelligence community agencies under that umbrella. was it working? even last year in 2009, dennis blair was talking about is this a success? i think this shows that indeed it was. we had no penetration into al- qaeda prior to 9/11 nor right after. now we have cross agency sharing of information, foreign, domestic, local, we're seeing on the national side here, domestically we stopped every terrorist incident sense for hassan at ft. hood and now we have an acceptance at the work that we've done and i think that's

really important. and the president is embracing that last night in the way he talked about 9/11. >> so indeed do you think it's fair to say that the changes in how we handle this information are -- is partly responsible for what we're seeing now? >> i hope so. i think so. i do not think that we could have made it this far and done this work as quietly as we did as a nation and taken him out as we d. he managed to keep himself in an enclave very well protected for so long and thumbing his nose at us the whole time. so i think that this is a real boon for the intelligence community, they needed this shot in the arm and with the president who has been extremely critical of them. >> where do we go from here? obviously this is a major achievement. al-qaeda will go on and will likely try to strike back. do you think that that is likely and where does the intelligence community go from here? >> i think we're going to be dealing now with even more of a

splintered organization than we did before. i think they've really lost their hub. he was -- there were three gentlemen who started al-qaeda, he was always the most important one. and we go shook mohammed who was the major strategist for al- qaeda. and what we're going to deal with more is something we've been talking about, which is the lone wolf type of activity. those are harder to get and that means the reames of data the intelligence community gets are harder to pinpoint and they'll have to work even harder now. >> for the image that we had for many years for bin laden is he's move willing around -- moving around from cave to cave and now with where he was found, do you think it's likely he's been in the one place for a few years or we just don't know? >> i have no idea. i don't know what that is exactly that has happened. but the fact that he has -- he

had moved to a larger city that enabled us to get to him and out of the cave is extremely important. they say they've been tracking him since august in that one spot, waiting for the right opportunity. they did a good job. >> janis kephart, former council to the 9/11 commission. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me. >> allison? let's check in now with tucker who is following the weather report. tucker, good morning. >> allison, good morning. there you go. a lot of clouds across the area, a few light showers that moved through during the early- morning hours. and that is the theme around here today. more sunshine than yesterday. but more clouds than the sun as we watch the arrival of a cold front that will be moving in from the west. there we are, good morning, 59 degrees at reagan national. starting to warm up. should be warmer than yesterday. yesterday our daytime highs held out in the upper 50s and

low 60s and today warmer and if we get any sunshine at all. 59 degrees at reagan national. back to you for news. allison and tony. >> thank you. >> we'll get back to you in a moment. and we want to get to the state department where we understand hillary clinton is speaking. >> from the embassy bombings in africa to the strike on the uss cole to the attack of september 11th, 2001, and so many more. these were not just attacks against americans, although we suffered grievous losses. these were attacked against the world. in italy and madrid, istanbul, and innocent people, most of them muslim, were targeted in markets and mosques, in subway stations and on airplanes. each attack motivated by a violent ideology in a holds no

value for human life or regard for human dignity. i know that nothing can make up for the loss of the victims or fill the voids they left. but i hope their familys can now find some comfort in the fact that justice has been served. second, i want to join the president in honoring the courage and commitment of the brave men and women who serve our country and have worked tirelessly and relentlessly for more than a decade to track down and bring osama bin laden, this terrorist, to justice. from our troops and our intelligence experts, to our diplomats and our law enforcement officials, this has been a broad, deep, very impressive effort.

here at the state department, we have worked to forth a world- wide anti-terror network. we have drawn together the effort and energy of friends, partners and allies on every continent. our partnership, including our close cooperation with pakistan, have helped put unprecedented pressure on al- qaeda and it's leadership. continued cooperation will be just as important in the days ahead. because even as we mark this milestone, we should not forget that the battle to stop al- qaeda and its syndicate of terror will not end with the deaths of bin laden? indeed, we must take this opportunity to renew our resolve and redouble our efforts. in afghanistan we will continue taking the fight to al-qaeda and their taliban allies, while

working to support the afghan people as they build a stronger government and begin to take responsibility for their own security. we are implementing the strategy for transition approved by nato at the summit in liz bon and we are supporting an afghan-led process that seeks to end the insurgency. our message to the taliban remains the same but today it may have even greater rose -- res onance. you cannot wait us out and you can not defeat us, but you can make the choice to abandon al- qaeda and participate in a peaceful, political process. in pakistan, we are committed to supporting the people and government as they defend their

own democracy from violent extremism. indeed, as the president said, bin laden had also declared war on pakistan. he had ordered the killings of many innocent pakistani men, women, and children. in recent years the cooperation between our government, militaries and law enforcement agency increased pressure on al- qaeda and the taliban and this progress must continue. and we are committed to our partnerships. history will record that -- >> secretary of state hillary clinton reacting to the news of the death of osama bin laden. and outlining a blue print, a plan for future. >> we're going to continue screaming her remarks on our website at myfoxdc.com. we're going to have more in just a moment, including an inside look at last night's rally at the white house. that's next. we'll be right back in just a moment.  [ male announcer ] are you paying more and more for cable

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[ chanting ] just a couple of of the thousands of people gathered outside of the white house for an all-night celebration following news that al-qaeda's top leader, osama bin laden, is dead. and our own dave ross and dave feldman made their way out to the gathering as well. this is when world's collide. we want to know the inside story. they join us in studio to talk about this event and the mood that they experienced out there in front of the white house. good morning, guys. >> hey, allison. it was -- we were at the verizon center, covering game two of the caps and lightning when we heard the news. and when we -- we were watching fox 5 and listening to the president and we were told we were clear with sports so we headed out and headed home and i said, we're going right by the white house, look at the flags as we're listening to the president. and dave ross goes he's speaking right in that

building. and i said let's go by there. and then we saw all of these people running toward the white house and we found a parking space, and we ran with them. and when we got there, there were hundreds. and i don't know, after like 20 minutes and us taking pictures, we looked behind us and go, oh, my god, this is thousands. >> there was probably closer to 1,000 when we got there. we were close to the fence. and by the time we turned around 45 minutes later and we took everything in, there had to be 5,000 people there. it was surreal to see the people. there were people, like he said, running toward the white house. they had flags draped over them and feldy and i couldn't be on -- political opposites, we are, both direct opposites. but for this event we were like brothers in arms. and it was so great to see the people out there. it didn't matter what your political views were last night, just to be there to experience it was surreal. >> it reminds me so much of right after 9/11 how unified we

were. but it was so sad then. and it's still sad now, 3,000 people killed that day. it is still sad for the families going through it. but this occasion feels like we can rally around this, we can cheer and it's because some action has been taken. and i know as a former marine, you had your american flag in the car so you were able to wave it last night. >> well just, feldy and i being there together and we've gone through a lot together, professionally, worked together for 11 years news and for he and i -- 11 years now and we will know for the rest of our lives covering a hockey game and 20 minutes we're seeing the leader of the free world and we see the lights on. >> and then everyone started singing the national anthem, proud to be an american. >> and i'm proud to be an

american. i love that one. >> usa and yes we can. >> people getting on people's shoulders and climbing up light poles and bringing the flag up. so it was a neat experience to be part of that. and that's why i said today, this is when it's really cool to live in washington, d.c. when you can be leaving your job and just go, it's on the way home, let's swing by the white house. >> well i assumed when you saw you were there, you got the call that we get from the news desk. but you did like many people did. >> no. we called and said we're here, let's do it. >> wow! and so the feeling of being there, because we get it from the video and the habit -- and video and the news and what does it feel like? >> we're looking at the speech and looking at the white house and we're going this is so cool and i'm getting chills. you are thinking this is going on in front of you. we are parking his car and looking down the street and people are just running so we

kind of put our coats on and kind of do the run and we see people there. they are like dave and dave, what are you doing? same thing you are. >> and it seemed like the entire world was focused on where you were right there. and so it's kind of a cool feeling to think that you're in the epicenter of everything that's happening and everyone is coming up, and everybody was like you can take a picture. everyone was so friendly and ross went up to someone and said do you mind taking a picture of me and my buddy and everyone was like, no, sir, do you mind taking a picture of me. and everyone was polite and happy. >> it made you feel good to be an american. >> absolutely. >> it occurs to me that we've been holding our breath to all of this time. we didn't want to say could he be captured but now we've all sighed this breath of relief and this is the outcome and it's pride. >> and like we've been hearing all morning for the families.

this doesn't go away for those people. but it does make you feel good as a nation to be able to come together and just say, again, for whatever reason, that we can all come together and go to the white house and say we're here now. and i know the president heard. i know he did. because we saw the lights on. there is no way you couldn't have heard it last night. >> they have to let them know there is 5,000 people on his front line. >> there are no titles today, sports director or producer, there is no titles today. we're just all one. >> and proud to go there with a marine. >> i love it. >> feldy and ross, thank you so much. tony, over to you? >> that's great. we continue to follow the big story of course of osama bin laden has been killed. we'll talk with wtop's national security correspondent jj 

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the weekend and what is happening there now that bin laden is dead? jj green, national security correspondent with wtop is with us. you've had no sleep. thank you for coming in to put this into perspective. >> pleasure. >> and when did you find out? you have had highly placed sources, so when did you find out? >> it was right around 10:00. >> 10:00 last night? >> and it turn out the way i thought. i've been working this for five or six years now and just had an idea that he would, if he would be found, he wouldn't be with six or seven people, he would be with perhaps legions of people and he certainly won't be in this particular city, so close to the capital city. but it is what it is. and when i did find out about it, it was pretty clear it was going to be a long time night. >> are you surprised by -- because many of us are

surprised by where he was found, living in what for all intents and purposeses with a mansion of sorts. how long do you think he'd been this and how shocked are you by this? >> well i thought for several years now -- tony, because he would probably be in a city. because we look at where mohammed were found and some of the other al-qaeda operatives were found, they were in cities. and they were not out in these desolate disconnected places because it would be easier to find them. this place, they were found in, as i understand it, was a mansion, a 3,000 square feet house, 18-foot high walls and

burned their mail and trash and it should have sent a mess am to the pakistani -- sent a message to the pakistani. >> and as you hear this information, you have to think to think that they must have known to some extent what was going on there? >> well part of the reason why, tony, is because this place, abbotta bad which is named after a british general, general abbott, is a resort spa frequented by retired generals, some that have connection to the pakistan intelligence service. so you have to think that someone would know something. and as i understand it, it wasn't too far from some other buildings in that neighborhood. and the question that you have to ask is, do they really know? did people really know that he was there and not share it? if that is the case, the

problems that the u.s. had at this point with the pakistani intelligence could only be compounded by that. >> the president said last fight and now we see the secretary of state saying the same thing, we have to continue to work with pakistan on anti- terrorism efforts. however can we draw any collusions from the fact that the president and our forces did not notify pakistan going in for this raid last night, that this was going to happen? can we draw conclusions from that? >> yeah. i don't want to make these seem like they are my conclusions but conclusions based on people i've spoken to and that is the u.s. could not risk this not going well. they could not risk missing this tonight because the u.s. has missed bin laden on at least two or three occasions dating back to 1998, maybe even more but they could not miss on this one. >> i have to go.

we're right up against the wall right now. jj green with wtop radio. we'll be back right after the break.