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killers. they used the forged signature of a judge to escape from prison. >> workers at the prison let the convicts gnot realizing their release papers were phony. now officials are checking to make sure no one else is missing. mike deforest of our affiliate in orlando. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. joseph jenkins and walker both is skamed using similarly forged document glanltsed them early release. now state and local authorities are trying to get them back behind bars. an escape from this prison on the florida panhandle would present a challenge to any inmate but joseph jenkins and charles walker, both 34, did not have to scale walls or fences. guards led each of them right out the front gate. jenkins on september 27th, walker on october 8th.

they were both granted reduced sentences and immediate release. both also bare the signature of ninth district chief judge belvin perry. >> it's quite evident that someone had some knowledge of the judicial system and how the judicial system operates. >> reporter: judge perry presidedover the highly publicized trial of casey anthony in 2011. his signature widely available on public documents and easily accessible online. >> i think it was lifted from another document and placed that document, which is not hard to do. >> reporter: joseph jep kins was served a life sentence for a murder in 1999. charles walker was sentenced to life after a murder conviction in 1998. the reduced sentences gave them both 15 years. it's now part of a florida

internal investigation. they're calling the manhunt everyone's top priority. >> first thing you do is let's solve the problem at hand. we need to apprehend these individuals, and that's what we're working on. >> joseph jenkins and charles walker are both from the orlando area. it's believed they may have returned here shortly after their escape from prison. norah and charlie? >> mike, thank you. john miller is a former assistant to the fbi. good morning. >> good morning. >> do you think this was an inside job? >> the judge pointed out -- when i suggested that, he said it does not take a rhodes scholar to figure that out. >> and you're not a road scholar. >> i think what you're looking at is somebody who has a background to put together a very convincing legal document, somebody with enough technical knowledge in the computer to get a real looking signature cut and pasted onto the bottom so it doesn't look cut and pasted and

to get it filed where the court documents come from. so that suggests it was probably not the two or three prisoners that did this, probably somebody within the system of either jailhouse lawyers or paralegals on the outside who are part of their circle of associates. >> john, these two men are convicted murderers. they've been on the lam now for three weeks. somebody suggested they could get far away. is it likely they went far? >> they have the advantage of timing and planning. this was not schemed up overnight so they may have an exit plan out of the zone but typically these would be -- when i would run a manhunt, we would identify their social network, who were their visitors in prison, who were their phone calls to, they have logs of that, and who did they have contact with inside and outside. then you squeeze that. they may turn to them later and they may not want to help them.

>> i'm assuming they're trying to find out how many times it happened before. >> they're finding some surprising. this spring there was another prisoner who was serving a life sentence for the attempted murder of a police officer. this detective was scanning the prison records to look in on people that were convicted of felonies from his cases and he stumbled upon this order for early release and caused the state's attorney. now they found a second case, a third case. we found in our scrub of the records a court document ordering the release of one of these two prisoners this week that was from two years ago, so we're looking that document now saying, a, they tried this once before, why didn't it work then. clearly they tried it again and it was more effective. >> and you're wondering if it's happening here, is it happening other places? >> i think a lot of courthouses woke up this morning and said

let's go through the files and see what the paperwork says. you know, when i talked to judge perry yesterday, he said his big concern is that they were going computer ooiz to a paper ps system but he said while we were working on security for that, these were actual paper documents that were filed there. so we've tot look at the whole system. >> fascinating. john, thank you. this morning more problems with the obama health care website healthcare.gov. the house committee plans meetings to learn why millions still can't sign up. jan crawford is in washington with new reporting. jan, good morning. >> good morning, norah. c b bs news has learned this is more than just people trying to sign up. they say the website is generating duplicate and incomplete enroll meant forms suggesting the problems are pervasi pervasive. white house press secretary jay carney deflected questions

thursday over who if anything should be held accountable. >> the accountability the president seeks right now is the accountability that comes from making system better. >> as the administration scrambles, former house speaker nancy pelosi who helped pass obama care passed for a quick resolution. >> i would hope we would have answers soon and that the answer would be okay. we found the glitch or whatever it is. it's been corrected. >> the so-called glitches have, in fact, made the website unusable for most. out of 17 million visitors, a top industry analyst suggested that 20,000 people have been enrolled. the white house is refusing to release numbers until next month, however, cbs news has learned the problems go beyond the enrollment process. most troubling analysts say insurance companies report receiving duplicate signup forms from the government and records of people enrolling, unenrolling

and reenrolling. those forms contain highly personal inform snoogs you're talking about weight, height, age, social security number, health history. and think individuals coming onto these site just basically want to trust that all of this is going to be handled properly and accurately and lauer says ph the government's website has slowed their efforts. >> we received the data and some other things that we needed two days before the actual implementati implementation, so very late september. we needed it weeks before. >> in a statement respot responding to some of the questions, a spokesperson said we work aggressively to aggress thiv. >> they say there's one good

thing about the enrollment numbers. for now they can manage the problems they're seeing with the duplicate and incomplete forms. they can check them one by one. the concern is what happens when more and more start registering. remember the target in the first six months is 7 million people. >> thanks, jan. the government shutdown is other but this morning great divide remains to stop another budget crisis under way. nancy cordes is on capitol hill. good morning, nancy. >> good morning to you, charlie. most of them cleaned up their mess and went home. but they left a lot of unfinished business behind which prompted the president to give them a to-do list. the gears of government have started turning again as federal workers reopened parks, wind the clocks, and streamed back into their offices, but can congress find a way to work after weeks

of utter gridlock? the president had some suggestions. >> first, in the coming days and weeks, we should sit down and pursue a balanced approach to a responsible budget. >> those talks started yesterday. leaders will spend the next eight weeks haggling over spending levels and deficit reduction, something washington has been trying to tackle for four years. there was the president's fiscal commission led by alan simpson and erskine bowles in 120u. congress ignored it. the 2011 grand bargain talks on deficit reduction between the president and speaker boehner failed. and a bipartisan group of people tried to find cuts that same year but could not strike a deal. >> how do you ensure you're more successful than the super committee's goals. >> they were much broader, much larger. our job is to put forward a spending pass and budget pass

for this congress in the next year or two or further if we can. >> the president's second suggestion -- >> we should finish the job of fixing our broken immigration system. >> house leaders say they want to take a piecemeal approach, but the pieces appear to be stalled. marko rubio things the shutdown has made it hard. the president named one other big piece of legislation that's in limbo, the farm bill which sets agriculture trat responsibility every five years. the house and senate has passed their own version but the house bill cuts $40 billion worth of food stamp funding, which has created another divide. thanks, nancy. johnson served as the pentagon's top lawyer. he also established the legal

framework for drone strike. at a speech in oxford he talked about reaching a tipping point with al qaeda. in may i asked johnson about the future of the fight. >> i think the end is in sight, the end of that phase is in sight and i think it is now up to our national political leadership to have the discussion about what is need for the future. >> if confirmed johnson will replace janet napolitano who stepped down in august. the u.s. is warning the capital of uganda can face a terror attack similar to that in september. newly released video shows the terror. the attack killed 67 people. officials found four assault rifles inside two boxes containing body parts. they are aplarnlt the remains of some of the gunmen and the answers are leading to scandal navy ya. investigators are questioning

norway.es of a somali man from when he took officn 2001 he had survi four heart ats. now in a "60 minutes" ierview dick cheney talked to dr. gupta. >> basically i resigned the vice presidency in march 2001. >> there was a letter of resignation pending. >> cheney found there was no provision in the constitution to replace a vice president who was alive but incapacitated so he drew up a letter to give to the president sniet was in accordance with it. i richard b. cheney hooesh resign from the vice presidency

of the u.s. >> he survived a heart attack and had a heart transplant in 2012. you can see the complete interview sunday night on cbs. this will be a rough morning for commuters in the san francisco bay area. workers wenl on strikeover night. about 400,000 riders take the b.a.r.t. system every day. the union says the two sides are far apart on work rule issues. >> transportation officials are changing their story about the explosion aboard a spirit airlines flight. an ntsb said engine pieces broke away from the outer housing. they could have ripped into the jetliner which was heading to atlanta. now it appears the broken parts remain with the engine but planes and smoke still forced the flight to return to dallas. the cause is still under investigation. no one was hurt. >> toyota is recalling another 800,000 cars in the united states.

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google's stock hit high levels. $900 a share in overnight trading. the profits are up 36% from a year ago. that's nearly $3 billion from the quarter. google makes most of its money from online ads. >> britain's "telegraph" suggests a 2 million-year-old skull could rewrite the evolutionary history of mankind. here's a story we can like. the "los angeles times" says sleep is like taking out the brain's trash. catching some shut jie is how the brain removes metal toxins and refires itself. 25 of the fires in australia are still out of control. one person is dead. dozens of homes have been destroyed and hundreds of people have been forced to

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are taking their love of american sports. that's ahead. it is widely known in politic bus may be a surprise to you members of congress often use donated funds for perj family members and trips. >> reporter: until republican ron paul of texas retired last year he seemed to be the leader with six family members on the campaign payroll. daughter, daughter's mother-in-law, three granddaughters and a grabbed daughter-in-law paying them $300,000 over the last two election cycles. >> for some congress members it's a family business. >> absolutely. they have member of their family on the campaign payroll and they often will have members of their family who are lobbyists and lobby on issues in which the member may even be working. >> we were interested in talking

with republican congressman rodney alexander who retired midterm after winning a campaign with no democratic opposition last year, a race in which he paid his two daughters a total of $130,000. >> congressman? steve kroft of "60 minutes." we wanted to ask you questions about your daughters on the payroll. the figures we have $73,000 to lisa and $57,000 for ginger. >> that was for a two-year psych. >> what did they do krks you tell me? >> what others do for other campaigns. >> reporter: whatever it was, it wasn't that stressful. >> for some people it looks like you're using your campaign fund to enrich your family. >> well, someone has to do that work. >> so you kept it in the family. >> well, i kept it with somebody

i can trust and if one can't trust their daughter, then who can they trust. >> steve kroft is with us now. it's legal. everybody knows about it. but it just seems -- >> well, it's also something -- it's one of those examples that congress gets away with stuff that you can't do on the outside world. there are nepotism laws in corporations like cbs and governments for the most part and there are in congress. you can't hire these people to be on their congressional staff but you can hire as many as you want to be on your campaign staff. >> in 1989 congress came up with the reforms act but the loophole was created. these slush funds as you pointed out to employ your family, use jets to fly anywhere. it is an open secret, but how pervasive is it? >> it's very pervasive. the thing is not everybody does it. there are congressmen in leadership who are very

meticulous about not using it to their own benefit but almost every member of congress has one of these leadership packs and the abuse is substantial and pretty widespread. >> do you thank will change? >> no, and i think that's the point of the story. we talk about the lack of bipartisanship and inability for people to get together over political differences. you'll have a permanent majority, pretty large permanent majority against any kind of campaign reform or ethical reform. and there are two bills right now, modest bills to change some of this stuff. neither one has post sponsors. >> i know you did a lot of reporting. what did we find happened in these last couple of weeks of the government shutdown? was there a lot of money trading hands in the super pac? >> absolutely. you won't know for a couple of months. with these leadership packs,

they give a lot of money to the leaders and then the leaders dole it out to people in their party that they want to influence, that they like. i read somewhere there were millions and millions and millions of dollars handed out by the republican leadership to various members and my guess is we're going to find out they went to people to try to influence their votes on the government shutdown. >> what do you see in their eyes when you walk up and say, hi, i'm steve kroft with "06 minutes" and i'm lied to talk with you. >> >> . >> if i'm in the hallway with camera and crew, word travels fast. >> congratulations. 25 years at "60 minutes." right out of high school, right? >> no, no, no. i wish. i was middle aged when i got there. >> you can watch steve's full

report on sunday night. and then on monday we'll talk with author peter schweitzer. he'll tell us why he thinks politicians are committing extortion. that's monday on "cbs this morning." now to this story, a nuclear engineer who blew the whistle on dangerous problems at the nation's largest radioactive waste dump is now out of a job this morning. in southeastern washington state, they hold 56 million gallon of nuclear waste but outdated storage tanks are leaking underground. now the whistle blower talks with our carter evans. >> you were just fired. has it sunk in? >> not yet. >> you think it was retaliation. >> oh, retaliation. clear retaliation. >> reporter: for more than a decade this engineer has spoken out about the potentially catastrophic hazards surrounding the multi-billion-dollar waste treatment plant under

construction in hanford. >> my job was if there was a problem to prince edward island out the problem and come up with a solution. with the prevailing winds it would carry the radiation and contamination eastward so the areas a couple hundreds of miles away would begin to be contaminated. >> the department of energy runs hanford. it contracted bechtel to build a waste treatment plant for $4.3 billion. it's now nearly a decade behind schedule and more than $8 billion over budget and for nearly the last two years construction on a key part of the facility has been at a standstill, halted by the federal government. >> they basically stopped construction because of the red flags you raised. >> yes, sir. >> not safe enough to continue. >> not only safe enough, it

would not operate. >> instead of appreciate from his company, bechtel, he got a demotion and banished to the basement. >> you feel like you were shut out. >> oh clearly shut out. i didn't know who i reported to. not invited to any meetings, nothing. >> and in a basement with no windows? and copy machines running behind you. ka chunk, ka chunk, ka chunk. >> in 2011 he told his story. >> and everyone see use go to work in the basement with no windows? >> yes. very directly. it's a visible example of what happens if you speak up. >> reporter: oregon senator with more. >> he makes a mockery out of the pledge. >> when you got your walking papers, were you surprised?

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kobe is huge here. he's featured in chinese advertisements, has hosted basketball camps here, and has been coming to the china with the nba for eight years. it's made an impression. >> what's your chinese name? and what's your english name? >> kobe, of course. >> jeremy lin also gets credit for boost iing its population. david stern pointed out that these 13,000 people came to watch a practice. >> china is our largest market outside the united states. it has 1.3 million people and it's been playing basketball for almost as long as the united states has. >> reporter: players took in some of the sights and toured the great wall. earlier this week it was stephen

curry's first trip to china. awesome could have described the night. rough translation. god of cuteness. >> how was it to meet him, to talk with him in person? >> making nba feel closer and, of course, boosting partnership endorsement deals is part of the mission for david stern. >> it's an opportunity everywhere, although china is going to become the largest economy in the world. so that's pretty impressive. >> so it's important for you all to be here. >> actually i'm surprised that charlie rose isn't here doing the "morning news" because he's a big jock. >> charlie would love to be here, i think. >> that's right. the nba is expecting to see

double digit growth here every year in china. last year it's estimated they hauled in around $150 million. dwrou like whose name comes up courtside in shanghai, charlie and norah? >> i love it. i would request one of those banners, god of cuteness, for charlie? he's my god of cuteness. you would have loved to have been there. >> i would. i did a profile of jeremy lin for cbs sports and it's just remarkable the intensity when he went back and how much they love him and how all the gains are seen in china. >> seth, incredi

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it is 8:00 a.m. welcome back to "cbs this morning." two convicted killers serving life sentences walk out of a florida prison. former fbi insider john miller looks at how they pulled off their escape. bob schieffer says there is a silver lining to the government shutdown. and "new york times" jill abramson is in studio 57. her mission, extending the paper brand around the world. but first here's a look at today's "eye opener" at 8:00. joseph jenkins and charles walker used forged documents to escape from prison snoon who were those phone calls to and visitors inside and then you start to squeeze that. >> they went home but they left a lot of unfinished business

behind. >> the website is generating duplicate and reenrollment forms suggesting the problem is pervasive. >> i resigned the vice presidency effective march 28, 2001. >> how did president bush react when you told him that? >> he was a little surprised. a nuclear engineer warned of a looming disaster. now he's unemployed. >> you suspect retaliation. >> oh, retaliation. >> my chinese name is. >> and what's your english name? >> kobe bryant. >> congress getmen get away wit using campaign funds. so you kept it in the family. >> what do you see in their eyes when you walk up and say i'm steve kroft with "60 minutes." >> announcer: this morning's "eye opener" at 8:00 presented by benefiber. >> i'm charlie rose with gayle

king and norah o'donnell. a manhunt in florida this morning after two convicted killers used a judge's forged signature to escape from prison. court officials in orlando say they saw nothing wrong with court papers ordering the release of joseph jenkins and charles walker. >> but the paperwork was bogus. this morning authorities scramble to find both of the men. john miller spoke with the judge whose name was forged on those papers. john, good morning. >> good morning. >> i'm curious to hear what the judge has to say but i'm wondering why it took three weeks to discover they were gone? >> it took three weeks because that's when they discovered it. they put in very convincing looking legal documents and the prison is a bureaucracy like any other part of government. to make something happen, you need a piece of paper.

make a piece of paper look real and that happens. here is how they found out. being a bureaucracy, they then went on to the next part of procedure is that they have an early release of a prisoner, they have to call the victim's family or the victims in the case and say this guy got an early release. you need to know that. so the victim's family said, he got what? they called the prosecutor and he said, he got what. and they called the detective and they looked at the document. they said, if there's one, there's another and they found a second one and this has been rolling downhill. >> all right. john miller, thank you. the federal government is still getting up to speed after its 16-day partial shutdown. he said he did not expect the shutdown to repeat it next year. others don't feel the same. bob schieffer of "face the nation" is with us this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> bon, we're learning what

could be the cost of this shutdown. it could have cost up to $24 billion. do you have any confidence that this won't happen again? >> you know, i may be the only person in washington that feel this way but i actually learned something from this. when i learned the republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell has learned that there's no education in the second kick of a mule and hear him say on the record i will not be part of something to shut down the government again, i kind of take him at his word. i think that a lot of republicans have learned something from this. i agreed with president obama when he said there are no winners here, but i think we're in a little different place. i picked up the "washington post" and i see a post from trent laut, former republican leader, about as conservative as

you can get and someone said to him what do you do now with these tea party types and he said you roll them. he says there has to be pushback against these people who arrive in washington and think they've got all the answers. he could be talking about nobody but republican senator ted cruz. these are not democrats talk about these. these are republicans talking about these and the republican committee of haley barbour. it's going to take some dining. it's going to have to be done behind the scenes. i think the democrats have to be very careful not to rub the%ens noepzs in this. >> bob will the president be part of this? hi has this practice of leaving it up to congress to do the negotiating lchlt he have a role

and influence? >> you know, i think he has to be a part of it, charlie. he's got to be the guy who get this thing going. i'm not saying he does it by holding news conferences but he might do worse than to call these republicans on the phone behind the scenes when the cameras are off and say, you know, why don't you come by here and let ee see if we can't figure it out. that's the way they operated. >> and encourage those people like trent lott to have influencing the fact that they're out there criticizing their own party. >> yes. i think the model for democrats now is abraham lincoln.

with malice for none and charity for all, let us go forward. the thing is to concentrate on how to get this stuff done. nobody was helped by this. the approval rating for the republican party is lower than it has ever been. the president's approval rating is under 50%. nobody gaining from this thing but i tlink was something to learn and my hope is the people who count around here did count. >> yes. there was a lesson for everybody to learn in this. >> you know what i've learned? there's nothing to learn in the second kick of a mule. >> that's what mitch mcconnell said. >> thank you so much. and this sunday mitch mcconnell is bob schieffer's guest. he'll join in the interview

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con man spun a web of lies. he used the most famous one, rockefeller charming his way up the social ladder, but can he also be called the killer. "48 hours'" correspondent erin moriarity interviewed him. >> because this is how we always start our interview. could you state your name? >> no, no. everybody knows who i am. >> he's christopher chichester. >> to him it was a game. >> he's clark rockefeller of new york. >> on july 27, 2008, news spread like wildfire that a member of the rockefeller family had kidnapped his 7-year-old daughter during a supervised visitation. >> there's still no sign of his daughter. >> but then a rockefeller family

spokesman declared he's not one of ours. >> it was when the fbi apprehended clark rockefeller for kidnapping that his 30-year plan unraveled. the man with a half dozen aliases had presented to be british royalty, a famous television producer and even bond trader. >> what should i call you? >> dave. that's always a good question. i don't know, erin. what would you like to call me? >> he wasn't just conning people for a living. he was also on the run hiding from investigators who suspected him of killing john silas and his bride linda. >> he was steeped in the literature and cinema.

>> he thinks the con man could have easily turned killer just for the thrill of it. >> a lot of these movies he saw have a plot in which somebody who thinks they're very smart commits the perfect crime and it makes fools of everybody else because they get to go forth with a secret that no one else will know. >> and efforts to get to that secret are hard to get. every time i tried he would cry out to the 48 hours producer judy rybak to stop me. >> judy, let's discuss that. >> and even tried to walk out. >> unfortunately, erin, we've got to to stop it. >> but i kept him in his chair long enough to ask him point blank did you kill john silas? erin moriarity joins us. awkward. it's always awkward when you

start out start with your name. no, i don't want to do that. >> he talked with us without an attorney and he'd switch back. it's interesting how he learned about american culture and it's totally from reading book, watching movies like alfred hitchcock. >> that's what immigrants do. they watch a lot of television to learn english. >> when you think how smart he is, to come to this country and face these personas for 30 years. >> why did he use rockefeller? >> he's chris crowe. he couldn't get a table at a restaurant and he decided to throw out the name rockefeller and he immediately got a table and he was sticking with it. >> i have yet to throw out the name charlie rose.

the what's fascinating is the interaction between the two of you. do you think that he is still denying what he's done? that i don't think that. i think he's performing. i think he's trying to pull the wool over my eyes as well. i think he's always performing. there's sad thing for this man. if you think for 30 years he was pretending to be other people, i don't think there's anyone behind the christian gary hard matter. it's very circumstantial. that was one thing he was very clear about. in fact, he things the wife is still alive and that she's the one who killed the

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welcome back to "cbs this morning." coming up in this half hour, what do we really know about the man who killed lincoln or the robber who jumped out of an airplane? brad metser finds untold stories like area 51. he's in our toyota green room to show us what's revealed in his new book. it's called "history decoded." they's ahead. >> a federal air marshal was taken into custody. adam barch is accused of snapping photos underneath women's skirts and dresses. he used his smartphone to take the pictures as women were boarding the plane. three boy scout leaders could be charged with destroying an ancient rock formation. they filmed themselves. after the rock fall,s, they were

seen celebrated. it had been there for millions of years. >> and the duchess of cambridge is back in action. he played a little volleyball. she appears to have lost all of her post baby weight, go, kate. this is her first solo appearance since giving birth to her prince george. "new york times" is reaching out. this week it renamed and relaunchesed them. it's now called the international "new york times." together they printed more than 30 countries with more than 1,100 journalists. she is the "times" first female editor. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. it's great to see you. >> if i look at "the new york times" today and there have been changes from editor to editor to editor, you know, from rosen thought to matt frankel and to bill keller and then to you, where is the abramson imprint on

"the new york times." >> well, the abramson imprint, i hope, will be part of going global and basically integrating our entire newsroom so that we are covering the news in the time zone that the news is happening and, you know, handing off now, you were given the litany of a very distinguished gentleman that i followed. now my hand-off is paris and hong kong and around the world. so, you know, it's really thrilling for me to be in the position of leading a 24/7 truly global quality news organization. >> jill, you talked about not covering politics like they cover sports with winning and losing. what do you mean by that? >> i think by what i mean by

that has been on display for the past two weeks with the government shutdown. it's been constantly day after day broadly in the media, who won, who lost. you know, nobody won and unfortunately we know who lost. >> but without criticism of some of your competitors like politico -- >> well, i think politico does some high quality work, so it wasn't targeted at any particular news organization. that horse race, who's up, who's down has certainly been in the political arena since i've been doing it and certainly you. >> no doubt. we're guilty of it on television as well. let me ask you about the crackdown on leaks. david sanger said this white house, that this is the most

control-freak administration i have ever covered. has it been that difficult? >> it's been really difficult. all of our national security -- yeah, i was washington bureau chief during the bush administration, and that was not necessarily a completely open administration to say the least, but the obama administration has initiated seven criminal leak investigations. >> so you're saying the obama administration is worse than the bush administration. >> it's demonstrable because the seven leak investigations are more than double all of the criminal leak investigations in all administrations before the obama administration and it puts a chill on what is really a healthy discourse between journalists and their sources, and it's our sources who mainly risk going to prison. >> explain that then. he's got this extensive

interview with edward snowden that suggests that many. what do you think about this serves the public interest to public some of those national security secrets? >> i think it is very much in the public interest, and if a war on terrorism is being waged in the name of people, i think would the people rather not know about the dimensions of it and wh what's involved? i don't think so. i think the work of the great journeyism is to inform the public and that's what we're doing and people forget that the founders of our country were deftly afraid of too much central power. that's why the first amendment is first. >> do you believe the central point that snowden is trying to

make here, i did not deliver any secrets to china, i took none of that to russia when i went to russia. >> there is no evidence that says he did and he says he didn't. at this point, you know, without knowing specifics of those countries getting into his computer, he takes extraordinary measures to protect his communication and whatever is on his computer, so i do believe that. >> it's a good story. >> it is a great story. we've got a great copy. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's one of charlie's favorite papers as well. nice so see you, jill. >> thank you so much. one of the biggest questions asked around the world, are we alone in the universe. walter cronkite reports in 1996. cbs reports "ufo, friend,

foe, or family. >> good evening, reports of flying saucers are something new. since the beginning of recorded time men are seeing unexplainable things in the sky. they are seeing something but the question is what they say really there and what was it they really saw. >> brad investigates mysteries and conspiracy theories like the infamous 51. he's put together the greatest of all time for his new book "history reported. let's start with area 51. >> this is not someone who's blinking a lot in the cornfield. to me that's opz important. you know who saw it? ronald reagan and jimmy carter what we wasn't to do many the

book is not just tell you the stories but give you the evidence. you get to actually see the real evidence. this is how the book works. each chapter has a pullout. you can examine it. you can read it for yourself and you can see what did this person see when they said that they saw an unidentified flying object. the american people get to look and say, oh, my gosh, what really did happen that day and it's an amazing story. >> these people don't say i saw an unfeed flying object. they basically say they -- >> he didn't mean a space object. >> right. they see something they can't explain. >> at one point they thought it was a weather balloon. and there was the story of d.b.

cooper. >> that's the only sky jacking. he says he's going to hijack a plane, wants $400,000. he jumps out the back and disappears. we think it's an inside guy at northwestern airlines. when you go in the boom for that chapter and you and i talked about this, we actually give you and you get to see -- >> we don't have time for that. >> you can see his bank accounts. >> the point is he had a different life before and after. >> and he suddenly has $100,000 in his bank account. >> john wilkes' family actually contacted you. >> this is where the book started. they reached out to me through their lawyer and they said john wilkes booth supposedly died 12 days after he shot abraham lincoln. and they said, you know what?

he didn't die. do you want to hear who's in the coffin? >> you get to see the wanted poster. he was tired of getting ties for christmas and i thought i'm going to get him a book he can read and enjoy. >> two men, john boyd, their names are similar. >> and john bchlt wilkes. >> if your name is john wilkes booth and you're secret john boyd, you're bad at picking secret identities. we found the will he wrote. when you pull it out of the book, it was not signed. but the 91-year-old came to us, we said, why are you going to tell the story now? >> she said i'm going to die soon and i want -- >> how can you tell when it's the truth? the deathbed confession.

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>> i don't make the rules. >> no, but you have a brain and yu could use it to help my boy put on clean underpants. >> it's okay. >> i don't think you do. >> he says, i don't think you do. good morning to you, anna fairgs. >> good morning. >> let's think about this as a comedy. a single mom, teen age mom. addiction. very dysfunctional. sounds like a lot of laughs to me. >> i love that our show deals with all these serious themes and with a comedic touch and it's really excited for me to get to explore some of these darker areas. >> people are messy. you know, normally a mom comedy it's neat and tidy and mom is great but both of these moms have issues. >> yes. to say the least. we're both recovering addicting. we both were teen moms. and now my teen daughter. >> your teen daughter. >> is also pregnant. so the pattern is repeating.

and, you know, there's a lot of financial issues. my character is -- she hasn't been sober i would imagine 20 years or something, so she doesn't -- she's rebuilding her life. she doesn't even know who she is. >> is comedy your natural ground? >> no. i grew up doing theater in seattle and i was always doing really dramatic work and i got "scary movie," and now i can't get out of this. >> but people like jimmy fallon says you've got great comedic timi timing. >> thank you. for me i think it's about sincerity of character and even if they're sort of an awful person or crazy person. i think that commitment, you attempt to not judge and you just attempt to say that line and hope that people don't necessarily judge you for that. >> there's something about timing that seems to be either

you have it or you don't. some people seem to have a better sense of that than others. >> i think it's about rhythm. i think it's about listening to your co-star and it's also, i think -- there's a lot of physicality involved if you're good at falling or getting hit in the head which, you know, apparently i am. >> chuck lorre, in terms of what his writing has. it has a sort of musical quality, they say. >> he is an incredible musician. >> what do you mean? he plays an instrument? >> yes. he plays jazz guitar, so he does have this ear for timing and he's very careful about, you know, a joke on a joke, which is a no-no, and what i also love about him is that he'll cut a great joke if it interferes with an emotional story line or beat because this show, he wants people to become invested in

these characters. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. thank you for having me. you can see "mom" on mondays at 9:00 on central on cbs. >> i like "mom." we'll look back at a busy week. that's coming up ahead on "cbs this morning."

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