♪ ♪. ♪ ♪. you could call it the tale of two president trumps, one divisive and in campaign mode. the other ready to heal the nation >> which one is the true commander in chief? you can see the rest of our rundown on the side of the screen. let's go. >> let us find the courage to heal our divisions within. >> it says i love all of the people of our country. i didn't say i love you because you're black or i love you because your white >> the american people are weary of war without victory >> i hit them with neo-nazi. i hit them with everything >> i'm a problem solver, in the end, we will win. >> these are

dishonesty people and bad people. >> that was president trump with a combative tone in phoenix and hours later during a speech in nevada his tone was dramatically different. take a look. >> we have no division too deep for us to heal. and there is no enemy too strong for us to overcome. because in america, we never lose faith. we never forget who we are and we never stop striving for a better future. together, we cannot fail we will not fail. we will make america great again. greater than ever before, i promise. >> all right. well, there is so much to talk about with this tonight. let's bring in right now, our two guests here who are joining us. james norton, gop str

lauren wilson carter senior digital strategist for the progressive campaign committee. when i watch that it's almost like getting whiplash, two different people within hours of each other. james, i want to ask you what is your take when you watch that? we see one president trump yesterday very divisive and today he wants to heal the nation >> i think that the president trump we saw last night is pretty much the same president trump we've seen last two years, typical campaign event that he's had. i think that, you know, he was talking to a specific audience which was the american legion. he was fairly well applauded for his afghanistan policy decision he made. i think he was talking to that audience specifically and kind of getting into that mode in terms >> will we see two -- tones like that, hours apart, does it make it hard for the american people to decide who they're supposed to listen to and believe? i want to get your take on that >> one thing is clear, and that's that president trump has no problem

problem, you know, not being able to avoid topic at hand, which is that, you know, a white supremacist rally happened last weekend. and the first time he spoke out about it, he said there was violence on many sides. and then last night, he reiterated that -- he was, you know, really still trying to justify their right to assemble >> how much of it was him, just, the assemble versus the fact. my take away this is him going against the big bad media, we're bad people, we extort what he says. this is what i said in charlottesville except he left out the one statement that caused the most dissension >> what i was watch, that's what i was looking for. as a digital strategist, i'm able to have my ear to the ground and what people are saying and people

his words and he had an opportunity to really hone in on the fact that he perhaps has a income to ending threat trick and ending white supremacy and he didn't. he missed that opportunity by not taking the time to backtrack and say you know what i was wrong. he went on and on and doubled down on what he was saying before >> james how is it affecting the republican base, we heard there's the trump republicans and traditional. how is that affecting the base >> we're in a different paradigm here and as a republican i think he has no problem with opening fighting with his party, taking on mitch mcconnell or jeff flake or anybody else. >> that's what his supporters want. >> that's exactly why he was elected he's a change president. that's what he campaigned on, i think he

terms of changing topic in conversation, not in 24 hour, but tour seconds, he's been effective that that. he still has problem governing, can he make the shift to actually governor and legislate and get things passed >> you make a good point, seems to me like he found comfort there in being on the campaign trail and going back to these rallies he's in the midst of his presidency. have we seen that before? seems, i know presidents get on the road. this was more like a campaign a rally >> i think he's almost taking a page out of bill clinton's book establishing the permanent campaign, bill clinton was almost in campaign and president trump is borrowing lessons there and staying in that mode. i think that in washington we've been talking about the 2018 pretty much since the inauguration i think he's kind of in that mode as well. i believe there is comfort. i think it's not unusual in august for members of congress and other people to go out and kind of talk to the people and get a pulse, wve

that have been a disaster for washington, the healthcare a debate for president obama was difficult that august when there was a lot of town hall debates and cost him the house of representatives. i think we're seeing something a little different with president trump. >> thank you both so much for coming in. the question is, what do voters think about how the president and we're seeing two sides of the president out there >> let's bring in ronica cleary, she's got the pulls of the people. >> reporter: yes, we took to the streets to ask people about this very drastic change from the presidential state man to the attack dog we saw at the campaign rally. does it help him to have different sides or does it hurt him when he's trying to sale message? take listen >> i think it's a little misleading. personally i'm liberal. when i see it from more and an objective lens, it comes across as unstable and

>> when he speaks from his heart, he's clearly a different person, and that now sends the wrong message. this is a very scripted president. he sends his message only when it's scripted and guarded. when let alone he tells what's in his heart that's not people want to here >> i believe it shows how rounded he is and can show different kinds of authorities. >> i kind of think it hurts him. i think the american people certainly need a leader to look up to and not necessarily someone playing on people's emotions. >> reporter: now, you know, whatever -- however you feel about it, one interesting point from earlier today in my 5:00 story, we spoke with a a political communications strategist and her point was really this, you can analyze the different styles, you can justify them chevy way, at the end of the day the base, the supporters, voters, really want to see results. and i think that if you're frustrated with differing styles

reform and healthcare reform and campaign promises you'll probably be willing to forgive and if you like it you're happy either way and you'll feel either way feel more happy if they get the results by december. that's what i think at the end of the day, people are really looking for through all of this, especially the people who did vote for the president. >> and that's the big if. if they can get to those points. thank you very much. let's point out last night. we were watching everything unfold and saw the rhetoric and the speech. if the president wants to unify and i think that's important no matter who's in office, you got to stop going to your base, you got to start going to places like chicago, he's quick to criticize chicago and the gang violence, what can the president do about it >> start going to communities who maybe didn't vote for you to try to reach out >> the president's speech got tension attention but critics are looking on how the president is governing the country and instability in the white house >> was

security blanket. w james an hole the third is here now with that angle. thanks for joining us. we started talking about this with our first guest. typically we see presidents go on the road to start touting healthcare or some other legislature issue. do you think this is where he finds his comfort >> i believe campaign rallies with friendly audiences and twitter are his comfort zones, when he gets himself into trouble, when he is having trouble getting things passed on capitol hill had he's unhappy with the tone and tenure of the media coverage of his presidency, those are the things he goes back to, the rallies, where he really bonds with his supporters. but maybe says some things that are kind of inflammatory, to the rest of the country. and he goes back to twitter, which does very much same thing, and in both cases, what he does on twitter and

these rallies really dominate the headlines for him for good or for ill >> i got to point out. no matter how people feel about it and phone like the fact the president tweets, this is a guy knows how to play the media game very well >> he does and he also knows how to change from one subject to another very well. so you had a situation where the emphasis was very much on charlottesville and then just a night or two ago. the emphasis was on afghanistan, a lot of republican whose criticized his charlottesville response were very supportive of the president on afghanistan. you had even objective and somewhat liberal leaning journalists saying he seemed very presidential in that speech. then he took a great deal back when he went to to the rally in arizona and really fed red meat to his base. on the one hand he's pretty good at making anus cycle last for a short period of time,

the messages he's trying to hone in on and you get that he is kind of whiplash >> do you think there's anything these advisors can do or anyone for that matter who can sort of hone this is and say stick to the script is to's going off script. >> he does seem to listen to certain people for short periods of time. john kelly being a general as white house chief of staff. i think some people were optimistic, but president trump is 71-year-old man he's been able to pretty much anything he wanted to do his whole life and a lot of things political advisors told him during campaign, turned out to be wrong, so the really hard to get him sort of reigned in, because he feels he's the expert in winning. >> we will see what happens from there. thanks for joining. >> let's talk about weather, sue standing by with a look at -- a little music going. sue, yesterday, we had a lost humidity out there,

cooler today, but still a bit humid, subject of speak >> we're changing over and tomorrow we'll feel different, we've had the front pushing through and slowly but surely driving the humidity south, and we'll see that really showing up especially later tonight you'll notice as we head to the 50's and 60's, it's really going to be comfortable. tomorrow, while we hit 86 today, closer to 82 tomorrow. so that's below average for this time of year, but the thing that will be so noticeable how the humidity takes the big hike, we've got a run of sunny days coming, i'm calling it the feel of fall, officially it begins september 22, you'll get an early preview overthe next several days, the weekend looking terrific. many of these days we may top out in upper 70s to 80. next chance of rain holds off in a chance of showers tuesday. all of a sudden we've gone from a lot of humidity and daily storms to a

weather. you know what? we've earned it >> we absolutely have >> political correctness run ramped, espn pulling announcer from a football game in virginia because he shares a name way confederate general. now the sports network is under fire. take a closer look when 5at630 comes right back.

folks down actually trying to default off the tarp. but police officers came in and did not let that happen. espn is facing major backlash stemming from the violence i

>> it's under fire for pulling a sports caster for calling an upcoming football game at uva because of his name. has political correctness gone too far? some of you out here know the answer but fitz is here, from my perspective, fitz, i was dumbfounded because this is a professional, this is not about anything he did or said. it's about his birth name. >> reporter: well, you know, and that's, jim, you cinched it up that, exactly why so many are talking about this, this is a problem tonight of espn's own creation. nobody asked them to do this, they decided to do this on their own. let's be clear. this broadcaster in question, robert lee, he is not a decedent of general robert e lee. he is not named after general robert e lee. he's a veteran asian american broadcaster who a lot of people look up to for the role he's played in college football for years. the

nonstop. one of the people who has been talking about is from espn's rival network, fox sports 1 clay travis and he summed up what he sees is the danger not only in this instance but for others that may be coming down the line. . >> i think this is kind of an indictment of espn in general. because what you need in this situation is somebody to be a reasonable person and say, wait a minute. do we really think that the average viewer is going to make the connection between an agg guy calling a gam and the former leader of army of northern virginia in the confederate army? do we really think this is a political statement we're making? this makes it a bigger story than it ever would have been. >> reporter: to a lot of people, that is the key issue here. now, the decision was this. robert lee was supposed to call the football game on september 2nd between the university of virginia in charlottesville and

william and mary from williamsberg, that is now not going to happen. the network say they did this out of an abundance of caution in agreement with the broadcaster robert lee. this raised a lot of questions about how far is too far for political correctness or in this instance trying to head off a politically incorrect moment. we talked to a lot of people and this is what we heard, yes, there's serious effort in our country to stop real hate speech. that's a real thing. that's not invented. the concern from a lot of the folks we talked to today is that political correctness being offended by these kinds of things is something entirely different and something a lot of people we talked to today are growing even more concerned about. >> political correctness is -- i don't necessarily agree with it. it's just because i think that people should be who they are. say what you feel, with respect >> i can always see

sometimes people are a little sensitive about some things that may just be off-the-cuff kinds of remark >> people have different lived experience' and you have the to be conscious of that >> the political correctness absolutely. you have to watch every step that you make and it's ridiculous. everyone is offended lately. it's terrible. >> reporter: cross-section of opinion, one thing we can say for sure and this isn't going away, espn has been in these situation before, they fired rush limbecause about remarks he made about african-american quarterbacks, recently as little as three years ago, they suspended steven a smith one of their comment any tore, for blaming women for domestic violence, but in this particular case, this is a situation they may have created themselves >> for surely thank you, fitz. strong warning from the u.n. when 5at63

. the committee that minorities racism is concerned about the racial tension after charlottesville >> that means that the u.s. is in the same category with countries that are used to ethnic and religious turmoil according iraq and i've row coast of africa. thanks so much for being here >> thank you for having me >> i thought it would be great to have you not because you're a woman of color but you're a for now of women's global initiative. you've traveled all over the world and seen turmoil and situations, when you found out this alarm was being so you wanteded about the u.s., i mean, what was your >> first of all i was not

club which service various communities at risk. it's amazing we open 1 with my country liberty. t then, from every mountain side, when you look at the mountain sides of whether it's the rocky mountains in the northwest or the stone mountain look-out mountain in georgia, just this past month, past few months, we've had incidents of racism blemish the landscape of america, now we know they're watching us and watching us from the united nations whom, itself, is flaw because of their own discrepancies and hypocrisies when you let certain countries in against human rights. at least we know now that there's a truism that the world is watching us. since i'm being poetic and using a song, i think of don's point forho

talking about no man is an island. each is a party to itself. and we're part of the main of the con intent part of the main, so he was hoping for we need a couldn't sill tour america because we never had it and it took the u.n. 72 years to really acknowledge the things happening in america. as long as i've lived i've known the 60, not pronounced, but i'm glad at least we know for sure that the world is watching us and we need to really get our act together. if not we will be the height of hypocrisy in the world >> how much of this is a history lesson we need to learn? we talked about history last week about charlottesville, how much is this education >> i think it's very educational. it ties us into the disunited states of america and second puts us unfortunately with other countries where there's civil unrest. and one thing

for is using every moment as a learning moment as president obama used to say this was a teaching moment. these are teaching moments but they will only be memorable if we can put them in print to basically give the logistics of what's happened in the history, the timeline of america's history, real american history so we can learn from it instead of burning one another up. through protests and languages towards one another and hate. >> our producer gave us out of time. do you think we can fix this >> i think we can, if you have a will go heart we can fix it. it's not about just the human heart, it's about legislation, if legislatures willing to help us, we have to believe in hope. america j. thank you for having me >> thanks for coming in. we'll be right back.

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attention which make as lot of sense, i wonder if they cried, i cried when i left my son at college >> it's a sad moment >> thanks for joining us >> see you at 8:00 on fox 5 plus.

announcer: today on "tmz" -- >> so donald trump said some really off the wall things as usual at his rally in phoenix. the guy who actually stole the show said something maybe a little more controversial. >> the guy holding the blacks for trump sign at the rally, he's got this really, really crazy website. >> it is bizarre what's on this website. >> he's called barack obama the beast, hillary clinton a ku klux klan member, and oprah winfrey he says is the devil! >> no! >> kesha, she's got the number one album in the country right now. >> hell of a comeback. >> awkwardly i ask, has dr. luke reached out and congratulated you? >> it would be weird and it would be creepy. and for some reason the questin offends me. i don't know why. >> well, you're not alone. [laughter] >> quavo at l.a.x. from migos. there s