players and owners united sunday and this heated debate didn't die down today. >> as you can see from the rundown on the side of the sdlooen was the story we were all talking about at 6:30. we invite you to weigh in use 5@630 let's get to it. first responders to you be treated with respect when you don't get on your knee and don't respec the anthem it's not respect. >> that was president trump over the weekend depending his comments

that felt in during the national anthem sobs and said they should be suspended or fired and nfl showed unity sunday more than 200 players took a knee and some stayed in the locker room until anthem over and others locked arms with owners and raised fists in solidarity against what roger goodell called. >> today nfl ratings are down compared to this time last year. are political protests to blame. >> that's right we have a big panel tonight to break it all down. there's a lot to talk about. jess jury jane duff retired sergeant and fellow center for policy and research and senior sports writer for undefeated and michael opinionroy profession os avenue of political science. thank you for being here tonight. let me ask you, start this off jessie with you. colin kaepernick started protest last season and kicked up controversy. then it veemd to kickback up friday when the president came ou

alabama called him sob and said he needed to be fired and said the other players who nelt during the national anthem needed to be faired ird do you agree to be. >> i think it's fabulous he serve stands up for kbtsry and flag. i stood up for electric this national anthem multiple times. fast of the matter is shunt go on on football field. what is next one, global warning, pro-life, pro-choice, where do we draw the line. it deviceive. why is this on the football field. if we are protests let's take care of it diplomatic way and not full fans in who are obviously very divided about it and preventing us fromen gaying a game we all love. >> let's establish again we should know the are on the protests started last year colin kaepernick said it was because of racial divide in country he was standing because protesting what he perceived as police brutality things of that sort. he had the voice. he did it on the field.

you can disagree or not whether he's a good football player or protest teams are staying away from him rights now. but he had that platform. >> he also had a contract he decided not to take with san francisco 49ers people are protesting he doesn't vo have a job. he chose to waive the one he had and obviously unset the ravens when offered potential opportunity for them. fans don't like this. they're not concerned with the issue. they don't like football being dragged into something that we're obviously very divided about. can we honor our country. we're all americans. we have nat uncome. >> mike jump in here what's your take on this. >> which mike? >> i'm sorry we have two. let's start with this mike and go to that sglik at the you of mississippi at the football games they wave the confederate flag. we can talk about patriotism and all this other stuxt reality is colin kaepernick stood up to oppose racial inequality and police brutality

there's no convene time protest anything. when the time is right and circumstances require it you must go forward. that's what he's done. and it was not until the president's comments on friday that took this to a whole new level. he wants to impute integrity of all kinds of people. by the way it should be noted that there were people booing during the national anthem. that strikes me as disrespectful, too. >> with all due respect to jessie, there are a lot of officers and a lot of military people who are fine with colin kaepernick's protest. we respect them too. i would ask anybody why has this whole debate been reframed as a war against bastardization of americn flag. this guy is talked about like john carlos and tommy smith did in 1968 about human rights. i don't know about you but i'm

between the plaque community and law enforcement in this country and to me it's like liking pizza or ice cream. how can you be against that to. me that's what colin kaepernick is saying. i would like to hear from her like well what exactly is it -- what is this i hate america where is it coming from. >> you're disrespecting flag and not standing during the national anthem. most persons are not engaged with what the protest of colin kaepernick s this protest is over flag and national anthemp. >> it's not that is what colin capper neck said he is not protesting flag. >> if you have to explain it you're failing on your mes message. >> please sprained it. >> exactly. >> if you have to keep explaining it. >> people are not hearing it. >> why should we. >> they changed the message to be what it wanted to be. >> why should we. this is football. this is as american for apple pie. as -- >> baseball is american pie. >> as far as creating this climate where people are becoming contentious a

there are veterans that support it bulk of americans don't like this even if they support the players. >> i don't know that. >> bulk of americans don't like it even if they support the players. they would prefer it's not happening. why is nfl -- >> what would be convene time do this. >> not during national an anthem. why is he doing it during the workplace. reality collective bargaining agreement allows this it's not free speech. free speech is from government not employer. >> my question when you have president trump saying fire the sons of bridges. when he says that is that not the president is that not a -- >> he did not put anybody in prison. if you would like to see suppression of free speech go to venezuela or north korea. >> you said players were doing it during their job. president effectively doing his job said these people -- >> i think he stood up for what a lot of us feel. there were many players it was not colin capper

knee. there were six players refusing to stand during the national anthem many do not like it. >> we're going to run out of time reality is fighting over national anthem is diverse oaf constitution alley protected freedoms and right to live in society with equal treatment. that's what this is about. >> none of us get to protest at work. none of us. >> we're going to stay on the same topic. i want to switch a little here. it was not just about nfl we heard from president on. there's been deviceiveness over golden state warriors and not come together white house because we married that steph curry said i might not want to government i'm going to vote no so the president rescinded it. what? i mean what was your take when you heard this. >> this is me in high school liking a girl and basically she wouldn't let me didn't want to go to the prom with me soy disinvited her from going with me. president trump was told no. i don't want to come and see is you. the white house is institution of

des crated i would argue than the actual football files of america. and that's not just me jessie that's many people in america. >> i disagree. >> but let's talk about for a second. >> sobs. so bz. >> you have not been called worse those players are beat up by coaches. >> where ayou minimizing leader of free world. >> i'm not minimizing any anybody. >> and i disrespect mothers of players. >> i didn't men mize leader of the free world. >> but his quote you minimized his words. >> this is write stand on this issue. >> you don't think it's wrong wng? can't you agree at least that. >> no. >> no. >> calling players and mo mothers -- >> no it's a colloquial term. >> at the start of last n nice's game washington was playing and chris comings worth said he should apologize for using those words and players essentially all want the same thing a better america. and that instead of all of this

down and listen to each other maybe we could get somewhere. middle mike whael do you think about that. >> i've never been called middle michael. >> sorry. >> it's disrespectful. >> no sorry about that. >> no, no, listen we always have these kinds of conversations when the dust is in the air and unfortunately right now we have a president who special liss in creating diversions to get our attention away from his own failures. he's failed all over the place and now he's here trying to create this distraction. our president right now is not the one to lead us into a more open and honestand sort of sincere community unfortunately. it will require people all over the country who see this for what it really is. to stand up and have conversation sgluz mit the nail on the head it's about president trump and not the issue. >> my 91-year-old uncle i spoke with today who served in seeing graded military told he he was happy to see somebody standing up for something in the

amount of inequality and brutality going on independent country that so many people continue to choose to act like it doesn't kiingt exist. >> i spoke to john carlos over the phone last night. other side of tommy smij who raised his fist in mexico sit yeah 1968 it was almost heartbreaking to hear, 50 years later he's wondering how far we've come. this guy is lionizeed he has a stalt uwith him was it wrong good we made it about failure of the president. that's not what this was b it was said because of failures about the president. strongest economy and black unemployment at a local and that's not what it should be about. if president obama came out and said please stand during we would be able toub -- >> no. >> you made about the president. >> you're admitting you made it about the president. >> you made it about the president sfw hold on guys and president obama actually did. he came out and made a statement and said

kaepernick has a priingts to protest any way he wants to he commented on that. >> if he said we should stand i think americans wouldn't have been so offended. if he said we should stant. stand. it's obvious think don't like the president it's a partisan issue. to me this is about embracing united states. what's the next issue going to be pro-life, choice, global warming. >> how do we actually make this about the president. it's about division. >> you just di was listening to michael say that. >> excuse me with all due respect. >> with all due respect you asked a question. >> you are creating division in the can't yeah and person creating division at the very head is leader of the free world. i would like to talk about these issues. >> i'm right here. >> cold on, hold on guys. i'll tell you what. we'll tell what you. this conversation is a really good one and you guys are expressing i think issues that people are talking about all over the country and feeling. so we would like to continue it unfortunately we cannot continue it now because we have to

sglment thank you for inviting us. >> thank you for inviting us. >> appreciate thank you. >> because you know what this is free speech and first amendment look at that. bringing people together here on 5@630 tonight. >> thank you. >> we appreciate. >> don't leave yet hold on wait just a minute. all right, with all the protests of the games nfl is sharing a message of unity. >> and the ad that aired last night and nfl player's perspective of everything that happened this week.

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♪ >> welcome back. president takes aim at nfl and players who protest the an anthem. >> this is unity ad called inside the lines and it was broadcast last night. question is what is it like to be 'player on the field or locker room during times like this perspective from insider. >> former washington quarterback here with us in studio, fred, how are you. >> doing great, been better, doing great. >> tell us about what you've been seeing the last couple

days. you've never experience aid time like this in the nfl. >> never this we went through 9/11 and whether bad things happens and tragedy happens it's funny how people come together. this effort by our president i think it was so counter productive. i think he realizes that $12 million came from some owners for his campaign and now they're locked arm in arm with the people they're repr representing and it brought us together and it continues to bring us together if they only focus on the narrative. i think everybody is side tracking pointer here and h here. this is not about the flag or national anthem this is about a young man that sacrificed everything. he has no job. he has nothing. >> you are talking about colin kaepernick. >> yes to stand up for his people and say my fem people are getting killed. unarmed people by police officers and we want it to stop. that is it. to start a dialogue to get it

to anybody who belittles that and folk uses on the flag or focuses on national anthem they're selfish in their own right. >> let me ask you you have talked to anybody whose been down on the field or just through this whole process as colin cap her nick started last year. i manith there are some players who were afraid and didn't want to take a stand lag like he did. what's been the reaction and what is it like to be here. >> reality. last weekend you probably had four or five guys. now you have every team in nfl and cowboys and cardinals planning to go arm in arm both teams tonight that's what i hear. at the end of the day this was kind of like dying down and this resurfaced in the biggest possible way you could get it back to the ears of the pe people. >> you talk about sacrifice. there's people that say that's one thing. colin kaepernick that's one sacrifice. you're talking about sacrifices of troops they say the flag represents. do you forget about them when you talk

sacrifice versus sacrifice of speaking mind and losing job sghi love my troops. they're the reason we get to sit in this great country of ours. this is not good them. if people want to study what happened with kaepernick he was literally sitting at first. and he talked to some military guys and said if you take a knee that's a little more respectful. so then he went to taking a knee. he's tried to disrespect nobody. he's tried to bring attention to the crimes happening on every street in every city in in america and only has to do with the color of our skin and not the flag and not the national anthem and people continue to shift the narrative and say what it's about saying hey i don't want to do this or do this. this is not the time to be on the certain side. i'm from mississippi. nfl saved me and gave me a fresh start here in a new city where people thinking new w ways. so at the end of the day life is sports and sports is life.

that locker room we're trying to get america to emulate. one group of guys no matter what color where you're from everybody from different places one mission and that's to win and represent our city. >> there you go. >> we'll watch the game tonight to see what plays out there. fred, always great to you have on. >> not just players responding tonight. >> ronica cleary getting pulse of the people right now. >> it might be the pulse of the person jim and shawn. we are not giving up. and there is a game tonight. there's a lot of eyes on whether or not those players will be kneeling. we'll bring it down after the break.

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>> this was scene during redskins raider's. our grant paulson was there to see it all happen. hey buddy, who are you you doing. >> good. >> how are you doing. >> good. >>

>> you've been a around a lot of redskins games. did it feel like a different atmosphere going in. >> absolutely it was very surreal. it's not a lot of time you spend pregame talking about things that are not football. that was the case as i was informed josh norman was leader of team's group text message establish what the team was going to do to show unity. i found out dan snyder and bruce allen and dug williams were going to come down on the field to lock arms with players. this is something these guys cared a lot about they wanted to be respectful of united states of america and military and make it known they disagreed vehemently most of them with comments of donald trump and they felt like they found a respectful way to do that. note of the players around the league fult they were able to do. >> you were down this on the field when all this happened. what was reaction from fans as they watched this moment. >> at that point there was booing. it's hard to tell what is being boo d

oakland raider's sat on the bench. redskins to ur your credit if you don't think should have taken a knee for the most part stood and lacked arms and there were several that had gone and had very productive games that took a knee it was mixed in the crowd. it was a strange scene. there was a lot of booing during the anthem as players began to a knee and do various things we were going to do. i'm sure there were people in the crowd dispoyted by that and plenty people in the crowd supportive. like many issues in country and this one specifically you've got two very passionate side and that debates not going to change. i think what players wanted to do is make it known they felt like the comments of the president were attack on fraternity. but they also wanted to make it known if they were taking a knee it was not in any way this the they disliked or don't enjoy being members of this family and united states of america. >> gotcha. >> it will be interesting s

game. pleasure to have you on. thanks for joining us. sport, politics, we use him for everything. >> some plans booed and others praised the players. we sent ronica cleary out to get the pulse of the people. >> hey, jim, shawn, that's what we're trying to do. we're at a big cowboys fan bar fan favorite and we have one brave person here. i think the crowds are coming later. we'll call this pulse of the person tonight. what's your name. >> dacey. >> dacey so i asked you and you were very quick to respond. do you think they're going to neal tonight at the game. do you think the cowboys will kneel? >> i hope they honestly do in my heart. i'm very passionate about it i have family in the military. but i feel that if people take the time to really research and understand why kaepernick and why every player

kneeling they would understand it has nothing to do with trying to be disrespectful to military at all. >> let me ask you a question i praeshiate you sharing your personal perspective you're a fan of game right? >> does this run the game for you now that it's so poli political. has it changed for you or do you think this is the way the world is today. hollywood is political, sports political. is it the new normal. >> at first it did honestly but as late evena and mother who has children mixed latino and black i now realize that i have to realize that out here we have a lot of injustice and a lot of stuff is going on n now. and i have to not only for myself, but look out for my daughters and realize that this is a stand and if this is the way that we have to bring attention and obviously it h has, this is a way to go for right now. >> daisy thank you for sharing your personal experiences with us. there's a first time

everything. pulse of the person. back to you jim and shawn. >> thank you ronica. >> we're back after

>> john middle bass took a picture of himself kneeling and he said he has a right to protest. it was positioned with take a knee it's been shared thousands of times. he wanted to communicate peace and acceptance. there were certainly a lot of ones that went viral advocating different point of view. i saw people burning jerseys. that sort of things. i think if you want to get rid of your jerseys donate to worthy charity don't burn it there's people that can use it if you can't yourself. that's freedom expression. >> we appreciate all of guys tweeting us tonight and leaving us comments. keep them coming # 5@630 i think this is issue that people will be continuing to be fired up about and hopefully instead of going at each other people learn how to talk and listen to each other so

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