march to the nomination. >> we have a movement going on, folks. i will never let you down. >> but with his rivals and his party rallying to stop him. >> we're seeing republicans uniting behind this campaign. >> could a contested convention take trump down? we're one on one with donald trump. only on "this week." plus, hillary takes aim. >> we should be breaking down barriers, not building walls. >> hitting the gop front-runner. is clinton already gearing up for a nasty november clash? and, supreme showdown, inside the war over the president's supreme court nominee. from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. hello, again. after another wild week in the race for the white house, it began with more big wins for donald trump. at least three states on tuesday. the most delegates by far.

republican nomination. as his campaign marches toward cleveland, he draws more protests, too. check out this scene from arizona yesterday. the road to a trump rally blocked. and new questions overnight about how trump and his supporters are dealing with the protests. in tucson, this protester punched and kicked as he was led away by police. >> a guy grabbed the sign out of my hand. as i was being escorted out of the building. and sucker-punched me. >> and in this video from cnn, trump campaign manager cory lewandowski appears to grab the collar of a protester. who is also being pulled back by a member of trump's private security team. a lot to talk about this morning with donald trump. he joins us now by phone. thank you for joining us this morning, mr. trump. we saw the incidents in tucson. last night. what more will you be doing to stop your supporters from acting out like this? >> well, it's not only tucson. we had a great rally next to phoenix. it was an amazing 21,000 people.

you had thousands of people that couldn't get in. sheriff joe, who did a fantastic job, immediately arrested three people. and the rally totally broke up. it totally broke up. the people that were protesting. and they left. and they went. and there was no more problem. and everybody went in, we had 21,000. there wasn't one word during this massive rally. >> but what about the violence? >> then -- well, then, a little bit later on, we went to other areas. i mean, we went all over, frankly, we went all over arizona. and we went to tucson. and we had some people that wouldn't allow people for the rally into the door. they were making it almost impossible to get in. we had 6,000 or 7,000 people at least. we had 2,000 people outside. they wouldn't allow them in. these people are very disruptive people. >> does that excuse punching and kicking a protester?

wearing, he, or his partner was wearing a ku klux klan outfit. this was an african-american man, a person at the rally, who was very insensitive, the fact that somebody a protester would be wearing a ku klux klan outfit. and he went wild. >> you appear to be excusing the kicking and punching. >> frankly, that was a tough thing to watch. and i watched that. why would a protester walk into a room with a ku klux klan outfit on? >> it looked like he was wearing an american flag right there. but does that justify violence? >> if you would have seen him just before he went up the stairs, him and his partner, one of them was wearing a ku klux klan outfit. >> so you won't condemn the protester who kicked and punched that person? >> we don't condone violence. angd i say it. and we have very little violence. very, very little violence at the rallies. we had 21,000 people in phoenix. nobody stood up and tried to disrupt. the disrupters. they're really stopping our first amendment rights. if you think about it, george.

they put their cars in front of a road. we had thousands and thousands of people wanting to come. they were delayed for an hour because of the protesters. at what point do people blame the protesters? these are people that are professional agitators. >> so you're blaming the protesters, not the person who punched and kicked the protester? >> no, i'm saying this. these are professional agitators. i think somebody should say that when a road is blocked going into the event, so that people have to wait sometimes hours to get in, i think that's very fair and there should be blame there, too. when signs are put up, lifted up with tremendous profanity on them. i mean, the worst profanity. you have television cameras all over the place and, people see these signs, i think maybe those people have some blame and should suffer blame also. >> we also see the video of your campaign manager, cory lewandowski, who does appear to grab the collar of that protester in that video. also your private security.

in the crowd engaging protesters? this is the second incident in about a month. >> because security at the arena, the police were lax. they had signs up in that area that were horrendous. i can't say what they said on the sign. but the ultimate word. it was all over the camera. and, frankly, the television cameras can't take it. they can't do anything about it. i will give him credit. spirited. he didn't touch. he wasn't -- >> the video shows he touched him. your private security pulled him. >> that was somebody else pulling him. i give him credit for having spirit. he wanted them to take down those horrible profanity-laced signs. these are disrupters. they go into a room with 20,000 people or they go into a room with 6,000 or 7,000 people, and they stand up and they start shouting things. i mean, at some point, somebody should say, i will say this.

arrested three people. oons he arrested those thee people, everyone else immediately left. >> it's the job of the police to arrest protesters who are being disruptive. if that is happening. >> that happened in the phoenix area. it doesn't happen in tucson. >> you appear to be much more upset by the protesters than the violent response to the protesters. >> i am very -- i wouldn't use the word upset. i think it's very unfair that these really -- in many cases professional and many cases sick protesters can put cars on a road, blocking thousands of great americans from coming to a speech, and nobody says anything about that. but they'll say something about whatever. i will tell you. >> kicking and punching a protester. >> let me tell you. it's a very unfair double standard. why don't you mention the fact that people were delayed for an hour to get into an arena and the only road going there that they were delayed for an hour because people were blocking the road? and why don't you say in tucson,

the main entrance into the arena? >> we showed the blockade at the top of the broadcast. but let me move on. this comes on the heels of you saying this week there could be riots in cleveland if you entered the republican convention with more delegates than anybody else but didn't get the nomination. john kasich called that outrageous. speaker paul ryan called you out. did you go too far there? if you don't have the 1237 delegates going into cleveland, why should you be guaranteed the nomination? >> well, i think if i'm a few short, and i have, you know, 1200 or 1100. and somebody else is at 300, 400, 500, which is very likely going to be the case. and if i'm a little bit short, and one of the reasons was, we had so many candidates. i mean, we started off with 17 candidates. and, it came down to, you know, finally, it's down to three, frankly. but there are so many candidates.

number. it's very unfair in a way. because of the fact that there's so many candidates, and so many candidates are grabbing delegates. now, here's what i think. now they're out. now they're out. i think i will get over that number. i think i may get over that number fairly easily. arizona was unbelievable yesterday. utah, frankly, was unbelievable the day before. i think we will get over that number. tremendous spirit about make america great again. that's the whole thing. we're going to make america great again. >> if you don't, there's nothing unfair about having a multiballot convention, is there? >> i think the biggest story in all of politics are the millions of people that are coming out to vote for me, in fairness, for the republican party. they're up 75%, 72%, 102% different states in the primaries. it's the single biggest story worldwide in politics is, what's happening at the millions and millions of people that are going out to vote for me. now, i will say this.

whereas the republicans are up over 70%. and some cases, much more than that. so i say this. if you're going to disenfranchise all of those people, some of whom have never voted before. and they're 50 years old and older. but, if you're going to disenfranchise all of those people, independents, democrats. we have a lot of people coming over. >> it's okay for them to riot? >> we do have some people that have never voted before. i don't know what -- i didn't say -- all i can say is this. i don't know what's going to happen. but i will say this. you're going to have a lot of very unhappy people. i think for the republicans to disenfranchise all those people. if that happens, they're not voting. the republicans lose. if the republicans embrace these great people showing up, the republicans are going to have a massive victory. not going to be a mitt romney slaughter. because he was such a bad candidate. the republicans will have a massive victory in november.

not to riot if you lose the convention fair and square? >> well, i would certainly tell them that. but, you know, look, these people are fervent. they're really -- they want to see positive things happen for our country. i would certainly say that. i don't want to see riots. i don't want to see problems. you have millions of people we're talking about, george. millions of additional people have gone. i've gotten more than 2 million votes more than anybody else. 2 million votes more than anybody else. and these are millions and that's why i'm leading by so much. i have 21 or 22 states. >> you have conservatives talking about the possibility of a third party challenge if you get the nomination. in cleveland. talking about recruiting someone like senator tom coburn. how worried are you about that happening? have you done anything to try to head that off? >> if they're going to do that, they're going to do that. but if they do, you might as

hillary clinton, or whoever runs. they wouldn't have 1% chance of winning if that's the case. if they're going to be stupid and do that, instead of embracing these millions of people coming in to vote, they'll have to do that. i'll tell you what that will mean more than any other thing. it's going to mean four or five justices, superliberal placed on the supreme court. our country will never, ever will be same. >> over the weekend, you appeared to question the faith of mitt romney. the third time in the campaign something like that has happened. i want to play the statements for our viewers right here. >> i can't believe, are you sure he's a mormon? are we sure? i'm presbyterian. i mean, seventh day adventist, i don't know about. i just don't know about. i've never seen anybody that lied as much as ted cruz. and he goes around saying he's a christian. i don't know. you're going to have to really study that. >> you know, after the pope spoke out about you, you said no leader should question another person's faith.

>> well, with mitt romney, first of all, with mitt romney, i was saying to the mormons. the mormons are very smart people. i said it in a joking way. they can take it, you can take it any way you want. the mormons are very smart people. i don't think mitt romney is a smart person. i never have. the mormons are very smart people. i said, are you sure he's a mormon? i'm not going to change it. i think mitt romney has proven to not be a smart person. as far as ted cruz, he's one of the greatest and biggest liars i have ever known. he lies about so much. he lies about things that don't matter. so i tell people. and i think that's why ted cruz has lost the evangelical vote. look what he did with ben carson, who has endorsed me. a great guy. look what he did to ben carson. he said ben carson in iowa has left. he's out of the campaign, vote for me. thousands of people voted for him because he convinced people that ben carson had left the campaign. he knew ben carson didn't leave the campaign.

not backing down on that at all. tomorrow, you have a big speech. a big speech tomorrow. speaking to the american israel public affairs committee. in that speech, will you stand by your pledge to be neutral between israel and palestine so you can broker a peace deal? >> you'll hear what i'm going to say at the speech. i'll save it for that. there is nobody more pro israel than i am. you'll hear that. we'll see what happens. >> what kind of deal would be in israel's interest? >> i think making a deal would be in israel's interest. i'll tell you what. i don't know one jewish person that doesn't want to have a good deal, a proper deal, a very good deal. but i would say it's probably one of the toughest deals. me being a dealmaker, probably one of the toughest deals in the world to make. there's so many decades of hatred between the two sides. it's probably one of the toughest deals to make if you're a person that prides yourself on being able to get people together. >> what does a good deal look like? will israel have to give up land?

should try very hard to get. and i don't know any jewish people that don't want to make -- they would all love to see a deal made. they want a good deal. not an obama-type deal made. they want to have a good deal made. >> define a good deal. >> i'll do that tomorrow. i'll be defining it tomorrow. i'm not going to define it now. i'll define it tomorrow. we would like to see -- everybody would like to see a real deal made, not a deal that will be broken. a real deal be made. something that can be lasting. if i win, i'll give that a very good shot. >> mr. trump, thank you for joining us this morning. >> okay, thank you very much. let's get more on this now from the chair of the republican national committee, reince priebus. mr. priebus, thank you for joining us this morning. >> good morning. >> you heard that interview with mr. trump. has he does enough to contain the violence at his rallies? >> well, look, i mean, i think he's -- trying to make the point that, we want to talk about both

need to condemn violence. and violence is never the answer. and i think as far as everyone getting involved in the crowds, leave it to the professionals. the sheriff there was in the crowd. and secret service is there. that's their job to do it. i think that is the best place to leave it. violence is never the answer. condoning violence is never the answer. it's not what we're about. and, i think everyone agrees with that. >> everyone agrees with that. but what have you told -- i know you speak with the trump campaign and mr. trump himself, what have you told him about this? this is not the first time this happened. we're seeing it again and again and again. >> we have talked about it a little bit. obviously, they agree that violence is not the answer. and that they don't condone it. they tell the crowds that they don't condone it. so look, um, it's obviously not completely in my control what happens at these rallies.

professionals. i would continue to talk about the fact that we need to have a solutions-based campaign. not obviously, something that -- you know, creates an environment that violence is present. >> you say leave it to the professionals. when you say leave it to the professionals, does it mean that the campaign manager should stop engaging protesters? >> look, i -- you know, i don't know all the circumstances, george. i'm just sitting here this morning just like you. i haven't talked to them about it. obviously, my point would be, leave those things to the professionals. don't get involved in crowds. in those altercations. that's why the pros are there. >> let's talk about the possibility of a contested convention. you used to call it an extreme hypothetical. is that still the case? >> uh -- uh -- probably not still the case, no. i think it's possible. and we're preparing for that possibility.

open and transparent as i possibly can be. that's why i'm trying to get out there on the convention a lot, out in the media, and talk about what the rules are, what they're not. take the mystery away from what an open convention looks like. because it really is pretty simple stuff. >> let's take some of the mystery away right now. you heard mr. trump, if he got close to the 1237, but didn't get there, his supporters would be very angry. he said he didn't want them to riot but they're going to be very angry. the republican party would lose. simple yes or no question. is it fair if he goes in without 1237, but with a plurality, for the convention to deny him the nomination? >> a plurality is a minority. and a minority doesn't choose for the majority. so you have to have a majority of the delegates in order to be nominee. there's nothing magical about the number. it's 50% plus one. no one is disenfranchised.

receiving bound delegates. based on the outcome of the elections. so that's all it is. so you have to have a majority in order to be the nominee of our party. it's -- it's no different than when i became chairman of the party. i won on the seventh ballot, george. hardly a landslide. but i was never behind. no one called me the winner on the second, third, fourth, fifth ballot. i had to get to a majority. most state chairmen go through the process on the floor of conventions. it seems natural to us that you would have to have a majority of your party say yes, that's the person i want to be the nominee. there's nothing wrong with that. >> can you guarantee that the nominee would be one of the three candidates in the race right now? >> well, i mean, i think it would be highly unlikely if it's not. i can tell you that. i think it would be some what

but i can't 100% guarantee that. i can't imagine right now sitting here, believing it would be anyone but the three remaining candidates. >> what do you say to the stop trump movement talked about in the new york sometimes. talked about recruiting a third party candidate, like governor rick perry or senator tom coburn. will that doom your chances, as mr. trump said? >> well, sure it would. of course it would. but i also think it's far too late. i think this is a -- it's some folks find to it be interesting. that's great. but it isn't likely. it's probably too late. and, there is no definitive answer right now as to who the nominee is going to be of our party. so, i think all of it is far too early. >> mr. priebus, thank you for joining us. >> you bet, thanks. powerhouse "roundtable" is

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welcome to all of you. rich lowry, let me begin with you. you were an early leader in the stop trump movement. "the national review" had the cover story. is this the end of the stop trump movement or are you just getting started? >> just the beginning. we'll be like the last japanese soldier in the jungle resisting this guy. he's much stronger than the other candidates. but not strong enough to unify the party. every time we hear he's going to turn to be more unifying or presidential presidential, there's some con itemable statement or act. trump a week or so ago saying he might consider paying the legal bills of the goon who sucker-punched the protester or trump playing warnd the idea of riots at the convention. he might get to 1237. it's quite possible. it's quite possible he'll fall short. >> sara fagen, it seems like from talking to mr. trump this morning, he's calculated it, the way he's talking about this violence, it's perfectly fine

>> this seems like a no brainer. you condemn it. condemn it strongly. condemn both sides of it. the one thing he's right about, there does appear to be an element of trump supporters or other candidates to stir the pot at rallies. he's right to point that out. he needs to very emphatically condemn all of this violence. he should never speak of riots. >> but he's not going to condemn it. it's his brand not to backtrack. this is his idea to be thug in chief. he's not going to criticize them. he attacked john mccain, carly fiorina, when he attacks anyone, in his mind, if i say i'm sorry, tell people to tamper down, i'm hurt by it. he's done it throughout the entire campaign. we shouldn't be shocked. >> it's a poor short term strategy. it may work for cheers at a rally. but americans want a president at the is the best and brightest of the nation. right now, he's anything but.

campaign manager. you said, he pulled the guy's collar. he goes out there because security is not doing their job. really? >> it's great point. >> how is this going to play out over the next weeks and months and in a general electioio >> i think there's a way in which he can keep trying to turn the protests to his advantage within a certain part of the republican base. i think that's his calculation. and other politicians have done this in the past. but i think when you look at the polls about a general election, there is great reason for republicans to be petrified of a trump nomination, particularly among women. in a "washington post"/abc poll, hillary clinton had a 21-point lead among women voters. so i think all the republicans trying to stop him look at those numbers and say, we could lose everything with this guy. >> let's talk more about the stop trump movement. you're saying it's just the beginning. what is the path to preventing donald trump from getting 1237?

improve. if cruz were to win all of utah's delegates, that would help. it seems quite plausible. if he were to pull an upset and win arizona. that seems unlikely. wisconsin is the next big battleground. if ted can stop trump there, that's a big deal. the trump wins there, we'll see a lot of these rats in the form of republican elected officials scurrying on to the ship. as soon as it appears to be sinking in a general, they'll scurry right back off. >> let me bring in sara on this. i think the cruz campaign is banking on the fact that if they can win in wisconsin, that will force john kasich to drop out. >> all the candidates will get delegates in wisconsin. winner take all statewide. winner take all by congressional districts. it's unlikely any candidate wins

however, you make a valid point. as these contests start to move to the close phase primaries, where all of these various rules, if kasich and cruz together can work together to prevent donald trump from getting to 1237, then we get to this open convention and someone has a chance to -- >> but that's not happening. kasich is playing a selfish and delusional role here. there's no way a contested convention is turning to the guy that's third in the delegates. and it's probably unlikely given the rules his name will be put in -- >> he doesn't win eight states. >> that rule will likely change. >> crisis of conscience among conservatives is stunning. as you watch this. for 30 years, as an adult, i have heard republicans say, principle, morals, values, bedrock principles. to see this struggle as, what do we do that's going against it? i think about a german theologian who joined to fight

i think about dr. king who chose to combat lbj on vietnam. it will be fascinating to watch people say, i have principle, and conviction. i'm voting for this guy. >> we saw senator coburn quoted in "the new york times" this morning. rick perry, saying it would be better for republicans to lose than to win with donald trump at the head of the ticket. >> it's conscience. >> you know, this -- everybody is talking about the 1860 convention as the metaphor. i think it looks more like 1912 or 1964. where a lot of republicans who are on the conservative side preferred to see teddy roosevelt's third party candidacy fail and get clobbered in the election to live to fight another day. in 1964, what is odd here, the party has moved so far to the right in '64, what you have now is moderate conservatives or actually pretty conservative conservatives, ted cruz is no moderate, saying donald trump is too extreme for the republican

there is principle here. but there are multiple principles at stake. some don't back trump because he's conservative. some oppose trump because of the outlandish things he says. >> if donald trump gets the nomination, can you support him? >> we're not there yet. we'll have to wait and see and take a cold-eyed look at it. it would be a big institutional decision for us. there should be a third party candidate. because some republicans and conservatives will want a place to park their vote in good conscience conscience. >> but that means republicans lose, doesn't it? >> the name of the game is stopping him from getting the nomination. everything after that is just managing. >> can i ask you a question? >> that's why the smartest thing for ted cruz and john kasich, neither of whom have the likely path to walk into the convention with the reck we zit delegates, should work together to stop this guy from getting the delegates. then they have a chance or someone else has a chance to carry the banner forward.

that. >> you can't. but this is why we're in the situation we're in. they're all shooting at each other. the highest priority for republicans right now needs to be to stop donald trump. >> would you rather lose than to have trump win? >> i -- we would surely not like to see the republican party lose. i think the difference between ted cruz as our nominee or donald trump? >> if trump is your nominee -- >> the difference between ted cruz as our nominee and donald trump, ted cruz may lose a general election. but the party moves to fight a different day. donald trump transforms the party. it doesn't exist anymore. >> the fact that you had to think about it. >> it's also amazing that when you started the year, two candidates most of the republican leadership didn't want to win the nomination. donald trump and ted cruz. and now, to paraphrase lindsey graham, they're picking their poison. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> i'm afraid that's all we have for now. it will continue for a few more

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mcdonough after this report from terry moran. >> reporter: after weeks of waiting, president obama delivered a surprise. merrick garland. a 63-year-old white male judge and a 20-year track record. >> the question occurs to the d.c. circuit court of appeals. >> reporter: safe to say that's not what washington was expecting. harvard law, corporate law firm. federal prosecutor in charge of the oklahoma city bombing case. it won't get him anywhere with senate republicans. the senate majority leader instantly saying, it's the next president's pick. >> let's let the american people decide. >> reporter: in an interview with npr, obama shot back. >> well, in fact, the american people did decide. back in 2012, when they elected me president of the united states. >> reporter: and so, let the games begin. judge garland headed to the hill this week. here he is meeting with democrats thursday. some swing state republicans say they'll sit down with him, too.

vote before november. but, could there be a lame duck confirmation? what if hillary clinton wins the white house? >> i would rather have a less liberal nominee like merrick garland than a nominee that hillary clinton if she were president, would put forward. >> reporter: a final twist. the president may have public opinion on his side. americans by 63% to 32% said the president's nominee should get a hearing. but in this election year climate in washington, don't hold your breath. for "this week." terry moran, abc news, washington. >> thank you, terry. we're joined now by the white house chief of staff, denis mcdonough. mr. mcdonough, thank you for joining us this morning. the president has made his choice for the supreme court. have you seen anything this week that makes you think the senate will give judge garland a hearing and a vote?

resounding support for judge garland. unbelievably strong, unquestioned excellence as a judge for the last 18 years. on the second highest court in the land. somebody who has dedicated his life to the law. we have seen good progress. good forward momentum. we have about 12 republican senators who have indicated that they'll meet with him. as you know, before we announced him, they said they would not meet with him. we're aware that early in the week when congress comes back, senator collins, a republican from maine, has agreed to meet with judge garland up in the senate. we think this is a very good progress, good momentum. we think it's consistent with a long -- decades-long practice and precedent of handling supreme court nominations this way. so we feel good about where this is headed. >> we're seeing the opposition

including ads by the judicial network. this is in north dakota. >> the right to bear arms, the future of energy production. religious freedom. they're all at stake. the supreme court will preserve or end this way of life. senator heitkamp and president obama want to take the future of the court out of your hands. tell senator heitkamp and president obama no. >> they say the people should choose. you're response? >> well, the people have chosen. the president was elected overwhelmingly, resoundingly, to a four-year term in 2012. i'm not surprised to see that the special interests are pouring a lot of money into this thing. and, what we don't want to see happen is have these unelected special interests determine the fate of someone who is a patriotic man, someone who has dedicated his life to the protection of law in this country. have them determine the outcome. there's a way that these things get handled. if people have the questions about the judge's positions and

experience, including prosecuting timothy mcveigh, and prosecuting the unibomber, they should have hearings. committee. and then they should vote in the senate to make sure that he can assume his seat on the supreme court. >> the senate does have a right not to act. if the senate fails to act before the election, would president obama like to see judge garland confirmed in a lame duck session? some republican senators, like jeff flake, have said that confirming garland would be preferable to giving hillary clinton the pick if she, indeed, is the democratic nominee and she wins? >> the average length from nomination to confirmation is 67 days. we have more than enough time to get that done. between now and even the early adjournment that we understand the senate plans this year. they plan to adjourn early in july rather than traditionally in august. we think there is plenty enough time to get that done before the

we think that the court would benefit from having its full number of justices. we think that frankly would be unprecedented for the senate to do otherwise. >> there's a lot of indication that it's not going to happen. so my question is, what about a lame duck session? would you like to see judge garland confirmed in a lame duck session if it comes to that? >> we would like to see him confirmed pursuant to regular order. i'm sure you remember the op ed, in the day after the election in 2014. when senator mcconnell and speaker boehner said now we can get congress working again. in fact, one of the things the majority leader, senator mcconnell committed to, was getting the senate working again. well, getting the senate working again would mean giving this person meetings. a hearing. a voting committee. and a vote on the floor. that's the way it's been done. to do otherwise would be absolutely unprecedented.

supreme court. there's enough politicization. >> finally, i want to ask you about donald trump. you saw the violence overnight. you heard him. he appears to say the protesters should be bearing much of the blame there, as well. i wonder your response to mr. trump. and how is the president going to speak out about that over the course of this campaign? >> i don't have a response to mr. trump, george. but the president gave very powerful remarks up in the house at the speaker's lunch for the st. patrick's day reception with the prime minister of ireland. the president called on all sides to get back to the kind of very peaceful, kind of robust debate that has marked this country and has made this country the envy of the world. that's what we should be doing. i'm not seeing a lot of that from the other side at the moment. >> thank you for joining us. >> thanks, george.

mcconnell. senator mcconnell, thank you for joining us this morning as well. >> morning. >> you just heard denis mcdonough quoting you. from your op ed after the president election. any chance of a vote on judge garland this year? >> the senate has been very much at work in the last 15 months. we've passed a lot of legislation that the president has signed. the president's chief of staff knows we're very much at work. the way supreme court justices have been handled in presidential election years is very clear. it's been 80 years since a vacancy in a presidential election year was filled. you have to go back to 1888. grover cleveland was in the white house the last time a vacancy created in a presidential year on the supreme

wtvd and under the constitution, we this is not something he does alone. he nominates. we confirm. the last time the american people spoke in 2014, they gave we took over the u.s. senate. >> one of your republican senators, mark kirk spoke out this week. he said the senate should vote. listen. >> just man up and cast a vote. the tough thing about these senatorial jobs, you get yes or no votes. your whole job is to either say yes or not and explain why. >> are you confident you'll hold republicans together? >> well, look. mark kirk is a great senator. he's running this year in illinois. i'm confident he'll get re-elected. the schedule in the senate is set by the majority leader.

comfortable with letting the american people make the decision by electing the next president who will fill this vacancy next year. >> let me move on. on tuesday, you said you told donald trump he should condemn and discourage violent acts. 24 hours later, he made the statement at riots in the convention. you heard him this morning on the violence as well. are you worried he's not getting your message? >> well, regardless of who the candidate is, i think all of the candidates for president ought to be discouraging that kind of activity. because the people in the audience tend to listen to those who are speaking. i think we ought to condemn this kind of violence. and encourage the american people to engage in this political debate in a respectful way. >> a couple of weeks ago, "the new york times" said you have begun preparing senators for the

assuring them if it threatened to harm them in the election, they could run negative ads about mr. trump to create space between him and the republican senators seeking re-elections. we'll drop him like a hot rock. according to his colleagues. is that what you told your colleagues? >> i can quote myself. i don't know what others have said about conversations that we have had. let me make the point. we have a number of incumbent republican senators running in competitive states. each one has done a terrific job and will be appealing to the people in their states based on their own performance. and that's what i think is the key to holding the senate. new hampshire, pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, nevada, colorado, florida, illinois. for our candidates to be able to appeal based on their own records and their own views to the voters who will be participating this fall. >> is donald trump helpful or harmful to that cause? >> look, we're going to be running the senate races no matter who the nominee is.

will be yet. we have great candidates. i think we have an excellent chance to hold the senate majority. >> senator mcconnell, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. lets get more on judge garland's nomination. dahlia litwick and carrie severino. we have both sides staked out there. dalia, it doesn't appear that judge garland will get a hearing. let talk about him on the merits. would he be a solid fifth vote on the liberal side? what kind of role would you expect him to play? >> i think that the consensus seems to be, george, that this is a judge's judge. this is a pretty moderate liberal. if you look at his record, he's got a 19-year record on the court of appeals. you'll find that he's very, very apt to follow precedent. he's very apt to rule narrowly. he's on guantanamo on one side

always, always clearly sticking to the facts of the issues. >> likely to vote with the liberal bloc? >> i think more often than not, you'll see him vote with the liberals. the notion that he's a hippie, wild-eyed liberal is probably way off. >> and careriecarrie, back in 2010, when there was another vacancy, you said judge garland was about the best that the republicans could hope for. >> they could have done worse. they could have picked eric holder. they would move it from a 4-4 balance to a very reliable fifth vote. "the new york times" said he would vote to the left of justice kagan. solidly with the bloc of five liberals. he defers to administrative agencies. the epa doing unconstitutional power grabs would be in his camp, i think. a real question he would probably be the fifth vote to abortion.

abortions. that's why planned parenthood is supporting him. >> that would be the case for anybody the president nominates, right? >> absolutely. probably the most liberal court we would have in the last 50 years. >> let me ask you. some liberal groups disappointed by the pick of judge garland. 6363ears old. white. moderate.harvard. >> right, another harvard. if hillary clinton is the nominee, and she wins, would garland be the first pick? >> i think trying to change the subject from politics to the court. i think hillary will want to do the same thing. the idea is, let's talk about the supreme court. this is not about tantrum opposite the right. issues on the left. this is putting the best possible judge on the court. >> the reverse question for you, then, as jeff flake said, if hillary clinton is the democratic nominee and she wins, it would be better to approve judge garland in a lame duck session than to gamble on her

do you agree? >> i think he may be 10 or 20 years older than her ideal candidate. the big principle here as senator mcconnell said is the american people deserve a voice right now on this. they elected a republican senate to put a check on this president's expansive overreach. they're doing it right now. after november, it's anyone's guess what's going to happen. >> democrats are not going to be able to break senator mcconnell, are they? >> i think we're seeing little cracks. but i think that this looks like a tantrum that is going to go on for a long time. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back with

president in cuba. president in cuba. and we're back now with president obama about to make history today when he becomes the first american president to come to cuba in years. what is the mood there today? what kind of reception can the president expect? >> i think there's going to be an extraordinary reception here. i have to tell you, though. cubans are, they want to hold on to their culture, their heritage. they want to embrace this opportunity perhaps for new economic freedoms. as you mentioned, the president arrives here about 4:00 today, a little after. woo w with the first family. he'll go to the embassy that's now been reopened. he'll tour old havana before sitting down with us. as you know, a little more than a year ago, i asked the president, will you visit cuba before the end of your second term? he said, well, let's look, see

house are aware they're going to be asked, how has it evolved? and has there been enough change when it comes to liberties here? human rights? he's aware of criticism back home that this embargo still exists. he's found as many ways around him as he can. we'll ask him, does he believe he can do anything more? and will this embargo be lifted? any chance during the end of his presidency? he does not believe that's the case. he thinks it will be the next president. butky tell you. here in havana, where families make about $20 a month. fewer than 5% have internet in their homes. they are prepared. it's hard to predict how sweeping this change will be if the people of cuba are ready for it. >> it certainly is. david muir, thank you very much. we're going to cover the president's special trip.

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