florida state is 4th in the florida state is fourth in the pre-season coaches poll. but keeping or improving that ranking will have to be earned. which started today with the beginning of seminoles fall camp in tallahassee. the ranking is not the only thing that's going to have to be earned with this team. jim bow fisher saying every starting position will have to be won. no starters penciled in yet. that goes for the quarterback position as we. that race between senior mcgwire and freshman deand re. >> there ain't no starters in place. everything is open. we have to do a great job in this camp of evaluating and educating. because you got to evaluate your players as you educate your players. because, you know, a combine don't win a football game. >> at bucs camp a dust up at practice for the second day in a row.

was between evan smith and spence. a sure sign the team is ready for thursday's pre-season opener against the eagles. one guy that's added a dash of saltiness to the defense this camp is new defensive end robert ayers. our kevin o'donnell has his story. >> reporter: robert ayers on the side of chaos. he brings to the bucs what they've been missing. an edge rusher with an attitude. he brings grit. >> sometimes, you know, things happen and, you know, fights break out. i've never b of a team where there aren't fights and guys going at each other's neck. but it's the nature of the beast. i want to win. >> reporter: ayers saltiness is spreading. even when he is on the sidelines. >> it's great. we need it. i mean, we need that. and i think if you are have really been paying attention i think you see he's got other guys falling in line behind him. that's a great thing to see. >> reporter: the bucs love the grit ayers brings to the defense but the offensive players will tell you in training camp that

your skin. he get under my skin a lot. he kind of get upt wit alittle . then you realize he is on your team. >> every day we go out there and literally watch film and feel like he is doing some extra stuff. every day we watch film we're like they're doing something. i'm sure they're saying the same about us. >> reporter: ayers plays with controlled aggression. he plays within the rules. flagged just three times last season. what drives this high octane motor is a burning will to win. it is a throughout the defense. >> we're hungry man. i see it in a lot of guys. i see the way jared is out there. man that dude set the tempo man and it's contagious man. competition is contagious. you know, we want to get it man. we want to win. >> reporter: ayers will turn 31 at the start of the season and he knows his time is closing on getting it done. at bucs training camp, kevin o'donnell, fox 13 sports. >> this defense could use a little attitude.

quarterback as well. first opportunity pre-season game one thursday from philadelphia. >> it's here so soon. all right. thanks so much. that's going to do it for us tonight. be sure to follow us on twitter, instagram and on fox13news.com at any time. don't go anywhere. money power politics coming up next. and good day starts at 4:00 a.m. from all of us here at fox 13

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why you can't always trust the polls. we'll debate whether politicians have a right to be stupid. >> it's also why lawmakers say and do silly things in troubled times. like focusing debate on truck nuts. >> objection. >> what are truck nu? >> don't answer, your honor. >> this is money, power & politics. we'll start with a note to hillary clinton. once again about optics. >> i know how many friends are still grieving. >> when you sto orlando area you may not want the fher to have pulse nightclub killer behind you. the clinn camign said he was not vited and theampaig was unaref his aendance after thct. maybhey shouldtt pay w get prime city in front of cameras.

we would not gate response. >> when more and more republicans are rejecting you from 50 national security leaders under republican administration who say you're dangerous to graham, flake and eler, now republican senator sass, kirk and collins who say they will not vote for you. you may not want to deg out of a hole by misquoting your opponent. >> she accidentally told the truth and said she wanted to >> no. he didn't. according to transcript she said we aren't going to raise taxes. you send out a video with a different subtitle to make it look like she said the opposite. >> we're going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we are going to raise taxes on the middle class. >> that's an old ted cruz trick. he wanted us to to believe rubio

the bible and walked away. >> yeah. the old ted cruz bad subtitle trick. he said marco rubio you'll find the answers in there. we can do that, too and make trump or cruz say all kinds of stuff! stop cutting deals with our freedom. >> speaking of all kinds of stuff. we have a note about the stuff going around on facebook and twitter. for example, this picture is making the rounds with captions like shock photo. suggesting hillary clinton is too weak to walk up some stairs. once again, context. that was taken six months ago when she slipped on a step and her aids reached to help her out. yes, hillary clinton has slipped a time or two. and i remember when she had a mishap with some flags. >> thank you all. thank you. >> oh, no. >> but a lot of politicians have missed a step or two along the way. [cheering] >> president obama slipped here in tampa.

while president bush bonged his head the same way. michelle obama bonged her head. don't get us started on gerald ford. e he would fall down and get up and fall up. then bushes mishap. bob dole misjudging gravity. then you have dopey there. and we can't forget about destinies child. the point is don't read too many into this one months ago, especially when she could have been startled by howard dean. >> we see all kinds of sill will i stuff on social media and some would say stupid stuff. which fires up a lot of people. especially in this campaign season. you could say it's too much or you could say we have a right to be stupid. and that's the subject of

we get into contact and ad lib with merissa and charley. we have fun but work in serious point along the way. here's tonights argument on judge merissa. >> in america, you have a right to be stupid. >> secretary of state john kerry serious? do americans have a right to be stupid? that's up for debate in our court. ? ? you areering the courtroom of judge merissa lynn. real issues, real political arguments settled here in our forum. this is judge merissa. >> so mr. patrick, the fact that you brought this case into my courtroom, is that not an act of stupidity in itself? >> well your honor, i argue this is a good debate to be even if you render a stupid verdict.

say that again and i irl find you in con tempted. >> if you rendser and intelligent verdict of all americans to be>> okay what is this allou ab like to p exhibit a. >> in america you have a right to be stupid. >> secretary of state kerry says that stumdty is a basic american right and we disagree. >> yeah. he's on theide of stupid? >> yes. >> objection, speculation, the secretary was making a oader point that does apply our rights at americans. >> what's the point? >> he was saying as americans we live and breathe the idea of political freedom. whatever the point of view maybe, even if the point of view is overwhelmingly stupid to most americans. >> mr. becher is that what he said? recognized three life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. >> did i ask you about the founding fathers? >> no, your honor. >> stay on point. >> the point is the founding

reason. >> objection. lack of foundation in the preamble to the u.s. constitution our founding fathers called far a more perfect union. >> your point? >> you can't make something more perfect. that's stupid in itself. >> objection. he's making sense. >> sustained. >> this, your honor will show you the right to be stupid and ignites us as a people. it expaneds our reach and drives our thirst for change. it leads to new and creative ways o dfng things. >> ay. we will concede that a certain degree of stupidity may be wired into our government. i think we can agree with that. it appears to have driven our energy policy for the past hundred years. play exhibit c. that encourages consumption. >> play exhibit d. i's whee our definition of an exit strategy can involve misspelling every word on an exit sign but xichlt it's why

pubic option. >> what? >> show exhibit e. it's bhie we can reject sock lichl and onning knowledge our hotness without the use of apostrophes. what'sty lawmakers do and say silly things. >> objection, offensive. >> what are truck nuts? >> objection. don'ts ask, your honor. >> play exhibit f. the big debate in the florida legislature. >> nuts like washers and >> no. more nuts like, you know. nuts. >> i warned you not to ask, your honor. >> stumdty is not something to celebrate. people in europe are saying stupid defines us as americans. play exhibit g. >> we go to europe and all we can say is speak spanish. >> people don't know what it means to be the fifth of four. >> kerry was not talking about stupidity in government.

but he certainly could have. play exhibit h. >> i did vote for the $87 million before i voted against it. >> in this case, he was referring to the stupid things that regular people say and do because they are free to do it. he says that's a virtue worth fighting for. >> mr. belcher what say you? >> i concede stupidity is occasionally even fun. so, woo, your honor. >> mr. patrick you take this (laughing) >> and now it's your turn to render a verdict. find and like our facebook page. that's fox 13s craig patrick on facebook. do you agree with the judge's decision? cast your vote as a member of our jury. coming up with the ?trouble with home. we introduce mike flan ri who is

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>> mccain doesn't take our calls when he's on the floor for some reason. plus more people are cutting their land lines and most of the pollsters depend on robo calls which can't reach cell phones. it's led to declining response rates and for some a higher rate of error. last year the pollsters missed badly in great britain and greece and isra. back in 2012 mitt romney was dancing in the streets because the gallop polling suggests he would win. >> romesia. >> we have a new distributor on our show. mike flanery is the political editor at our sister station in chicago. we shared the same work space if cleveland and philly. i loved watching him work there. tonight we're tacking polls with flanery fired up. >> some folks love voter opinion polls. some hate them.

lots of elections, some are in both camps depending on how well their candidate is doing in those surveys. for much to have last year, donald trump loved the polls. quoted them all the time. as they documented his rise in his surprising success on the root to winning the republican nomination for president. this past week though, not so much. in addition to a fox news survey that found hillary clinton with a national lead over 49% to 39%... surveys showed similar numbers in key swing states. in trump's must win pennsylvania, 49% to 38%. in florida 48% to 42%. in michigan 41% to 32%. new hampshire tied a few weeks ago is a blow out. hillary clinton at 47% and trump just 32%. whn i reported on these and other surveys that had bad news

supporters, who i'm always eager to hear from, really let me have it on social media. mary is within. she wrote, i wouldn't call flanery a journalest anymore. he's trying to be a spin doctor. is he getting paid by somebody for this? i know i wouldn't do it for free. sandy added. you are the crazy one mike flanery. people aren't buying it anymore. the polls are lies. we know go to a trump rally. see for yourself what real americans think. sandy offered a link to a quote honest poll. apparently done by 13 people who claim they called thousands of americans in every state. they found trump at 67% and hillary clinton with a measly 19%. now that posting did not tell who conducted the alleged survey but if the outcome in november is close to those numbers, i

will try to find those guys. polls don't predict anything. they are just a snapshot of voter opinion at one point in time. hillary clinton's ahead right now but there's no guarantee she'll win the white house in november. she and top democrats know that and they know donald trump may yet have more surprises in store for all of us. i'm political editor mike flanery. thanks. and by the way you can check out his facebook page. search for mike flanery fox chicago. the experts don't rely on polled numbers this far out. they use the polls to track movement and the movement is currently favoring hillary clinton. and here's what we're seeing now in the state of florida. in an average of florida state polls, hillary clinton pulled ahead 6 days ago. trump held a slight lead a fraction of 1% through the

lead 46% to 45%. we should get a temperature check on this on thursday. matt tow vi our pollster. he and his is son bailed this year. in the polls they've done for us among the most accurate. they scored an accuracy rating of 91%. they are polling us in florida as we speak and mat will join us on thursday night with the results. coming up we'll show you wh and arizona and how clinton could use wisconsin, blow out

>>well, the assumptions about red state and blue states maybe way off this year because trump and clinton conflict state yous may not expect. check out utth. it's about as republican as you can get. romney who won this state by 48 clinton closing the gap to 12 points. with former republican policy director mcmullin running as a conservative alternative, that could siphon more votes away from trump and burn trump in utth. or arizona. meanwhile, you have democrat blue states like pennsylvania and wisconsin that cold flip and go republican. tonight we focus on the changes

>> a battleground state. there's a real possibility the badger state could go for the party for the first time since ronald reagan rolled through. >> they have the democrats to thank for it. the demonstration and attempt at recalling the republican governor galvanized wisconsin conservatives. scott walker forced leadership to keep the machine well oiled. >> treche. they areead of the to vote for. >> but there's a problem and the problem is the canned dachlt conservatives inisconsin motivated in the primary for krz cruz. not donald trump. >> in fact, that's why he lost terribly in the primary. the right wing radio show still continued to go after him. >> you're listening to news radio 620. >> very influen shl, still

largely because he attacked governor walk and attacked the base that supported walker three times. >> it's going to be hard for him to turn the state around and get momentum and pop ewe lairly even against hillary clinton. >> we're drilling into the map and showing how it's shifting as we speak and why we have battleground states like georgia in play. we'll take you through nor changes on our ewe tube channel. search for craig patrick's money, power & politics. get caught ip on prior shows yo may have missed. coming up. how the headlines play out tomorrow and why we could see very interesting changes this

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okay. let's start with good news, maybe in the making for libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson because the nonpartisan commission on presidential debates says to planners of the debate,re possibility gary johnson could be part of the national debate. there's a 15% polling threshold and while johnson is closing in on that in some polls in double digits there's a good possibility he could be include. he could make gains in late september. bad news for debby schulz. you have bernie sanders on her case raising money.

the nation. the primary is at the end of this month. in terms of headlines tomorrow, i think it will be once again about donald trump with off the cuff remarks he made yet again. this teem about the second amendment. what did he mean by that? how does he explain it? was it taken out of context. all these questions will come up surely for donald trump tomorrow and how he addresses them could be a turning point for donald trump again. charley leduff joi scott smith. we'll see you tomorrow night,

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