i'm chris wallace. a mandatory quarteren teen for workers returning from africa. and chris christie in his first sunday show interview this year. >> i feel confident that we are doing everything we should be doing and we have the situation under control. a doctor in new york is the latest case, as two dallas nurses are declared ebola-free. >> i'm on my way back to recovery, even as i reflect on how many others have not been so fortunate. we'll get the latest developments, and we'll talk with one of the government's point men leading the fight against ebola, dr. anthony fauci. and chris christie hits the

campaign trail for gop candidates. we'll ask the gompor how he thinks republicans will do in 2014, and whether he will run for president in 2016. chris christie, it's a fox news exclusive. two attacks in canada, and a violent assault against police in new york stoke fears of lone wolf terrorism. >> using other aspects to try to radicalize. >> our sunday group weighs in, all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. three states, new york, new jersey and illinois, have ordered mandatory quarantines, this after a new york city doctor just bat from the hot zone tested positive for the virus. in a few minutes, we'll talk with governor chris christie's

about new jersey's policy in his first sunday news interview this year. . but first we have the latest on the doctor and the response. >> dr. craig spencer's condition has worsened somewhat as expected since he refused here bellevue. he's receiving plasma and errant viral therapy, is away and communicating and will stay in isolati isolation. his fiancee was sent home, but will stale in -- city leaders have been working overtime to assure new yorkers are safe, after learning the doctor rode subways, visited a park, ate at restaurants and went bowl in brooklyn the night before he received a fever. since then the entire bowling alley was sanitized, and the

mayor had a meeting at the shop where the doctor ate to dispel fears. -- even though she had no stole. the state has a right to make the decisions just like the cdc, and we will work with them. this is not about personalities or personal opinions. this is a crisis in which everyone works together. i don't think it's about what will keep or people safe. >> there is no ebola vaccine, but there could have been. one was developed in canada, but telephones 14e68ed because of a lack of interest. it's not in clinical trials and could be ready next year. >> rick, thank you very much. let's bring in dr. anthony fauci, and dr. fauci, this is becoming a weekly occurrence. welcome back. >> thank you. good to be with you. governors in new york and

new jersey have instituted this mandatory quarantine for who is who had direct contact with ebola patients, including all medical workers. here is governor chris christie announcing. >> new jersey and new york are going to determine the standards of quarantine since the cdc's guidance is continually changing. we need to set a standard for our two states. >> given that people are not contagious until they show symptoms, is it good science? to quarantine them for 21 days. >> first principle -- protect american people. second principle -- make your decision based on the science. right now, people as we've said, people without symptoms do not transmit ebola. so guidelines regarding how you handle people from coming back should always be based on the science. the science tells us that people who are asymptomatic do not transmit. that doesn't mean we're cavalier about it, but that middle

eastern there are other steps you can protect american people based on the scientific evidence that does not necessarily have to go to far as to possibly have unintended consequences of disincentivizing health care workers. the best way to protect us is to stop the epidemic in africa, and we need those health care workers. we do not want to put them in a position where it makes it uncomfortable to even volunteer to go. >> i want to press on this, though, you're saying this mandatory 21-day quarantine, especially for people who are asymptomatic is not good science? >> if you're talking about an asymptomatic person, there's a way to monitor them. do it by active and direct monitoring. that had accomplish the same thing. the difficulty when you put someone in a position, when you go over there, when you come back, no matter what you do, no symptoms, you're not at a high rick, you still have 21 days out of your life where you can't

move, i think will have unintended negative consequences. personally as a scientist, i would not have recommended that. a lot of listeners will look at the case of this doctor. craig spencer. he's running around the city, on subways, he's at the bowling alley, and he does all of this before he, you know, reports in and is taken to the hospital. can you trust people? here's a doctor. can you trust them to self-monitor? >> in general, the human nature you can't say everyone is the same as far as trust, but what you can do to get that extra step is ratchet up the monitoring from passive to what we call active or direct, where someone actually each day would take the temperature, get a symptom story, and then make a decision whether someone can go

out. but dr. spencer did exactly what he should have done. when we got back, doctors without borders say you report your symptoms. he put himself in -- >> but he was sluggish and running around town. >> he did not have symptoms. no one came in contact with his body fluids, so the risk is vanishingly small. >> you talk about what you seem to think is the lack of scientific wisdom in the decision to impose this 21-day quarantine. you're the point man for the government on infectious disease. did anyone from the governor or mayor's office contact you before they imposed this quarantine? >> the cdc was all over this. the cdc sent some minimum times of requirements that are good, below which you can't go. the states have the authority to go beyond the cdc recommendations, which is what in this case they did.

but the cdc was immediately involved in trying to make sure americans are protected. >> you've said to me repeatedly -- you've been on this show a lot and you have said repeatedly the big concern and that we're not going to solve this crisis until we stop ebola in west africa. how concerned are you that if they know i'm going to go over there, i'm going to put myself in jeopardy and when i come back, i'm going to face a mandatory three-week quarnt tier teen out of my life. how concerned are you that that's going to stop people from going in the first place? >> i am concerned. the people who are going there, coming back, are concerned about that. they're responsible. they know in if fact they have symptoms and have the possibility of transmitting it, they don't want to get anyone else infected. but the idea of saying even

people without symptoms, that could be a disincentive. we don't have our people volunteers to go over there? then other countries will not do it anded epidemic will continue to roar. you released the dallas nurse, nina pham. you were treating her from nih. have you determined how she got the virus? was it a problem with the cdc protocols? and if so, have you tightened those up? >> first of all, you can never tell how she got it. she was under one protocol for a few days, then the other. whatever it was, she certainly was at a risk and got infected. whenever you see that, you try to tighten things up. those were protocols that actually worked very well historically in africa. we find with the intensive care setting that we give in this

country, they may not be opti l optimal. that's why the cdc has changed them. final think there was a story in "new york times" this week, mike levin that will referred to it at the end of his report that scientists had come up with a vaccine a decade ago 100% effective in stopping ebola in monkeys, but because the disease back then was so rare, there wasn't a market an incentive to test it and develop it. question -- there some way -- first of all, do you think we could have had a full-speed effort, could we have had a vaccine by now? secondly, is there some way when there is so little market that we can get them developed just in case to get them to this kind of situation? >> certainty without pharmaceutical backing you're not going stotts a vaccine for sure. you can't predict, because there's science tiskt issues, we may not scientifically been able to do it.

what the government is doing now through a program is to be able to finance things where you can stockpile. the government is realizing even if there isn't the need out there now, there may be the need in the future. that's what that agency is doing. >> how close are we to a vaccine? >> again i can't predict. i told you last week we're in phase 1, then we'll go into a much larger trial in west africa, likely in liberia an monrovia to determine that it works. you don't want to distribute a vaccine that could be harmful. >> dr. fauci, thank you for coming in and updating us once again on the situation. >> good to be with you, chris. chris christie joins you next. we'll ask him whether he'll run

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new jersey governor chris christie is traveling the country as head of the republican governors association, trying to elect gop candidates this year and perhaps set the stage for a potentiality 2016 run for the white house. governor christie joins us from florida, where there is a tight governors' race for his first

sunday interview of 2014. welcome back. >> good to be with you. >> before we get to the politics, this whole controversy of ebola. you just heard dr. fauci, dr. mary bassett reportedly was fewer yew she was not informed before the quarantine was imposed. do you no longer trust the cdc and doctors and scientists? >> well, that's a pretty general statement. of course, we do, but the fact of the matter is that the cdc protocols, as dr. fauci admitted himself, have been a moving targets. imagine you're the person in charge of the public health of the people of a large densely populated state, in fact the most densely populated state in the union, and these protocols continue to move and change. it was my conclusion we need to do do this to protect the public

health of the people of new jersey. governor cuomo agreed. now mayor emanuel agrees, and i think the cdc will eventually come around to our point of view on this. and what about that dr. fauci says it's not good science to quarantine them when they're not symptomatic. >> what he's counting on is a voluntary system with folks who may or may not comply. wet this situation in new jersey, as you know, with the nbc news crew that said they were going to self-quarantine, and two days later they were out taking out takeout food and walking around the streets in princeton. i don't believe when you're dealing with something as serious as this, that we can count on a voluntary system. this is government's job. if anything else government's job is to protect the safety and health of our citizens.

i have no second thoughts about this action. dr. fauci talks about the unintended consequence. everyone agrees the only way to stop this crisis is to end ebola? west africa. the concern is the medical workers, the doctors, the nurses willing to take their chances to go over there, when they hear they have to undergo a mand tore three-week quarantine may make them decide not to go in the first place. the first nurse feels she was badly treated. so are you concerned you will disincentivize people? >> i'm really not. i believe that folks who want to take that step, willing to volunteer also understand it's in their interests and the public health interests to have a 21-day period thereafter if they've been directly exposed to people with the virus. as we saw with what happened with some of the health care workers in texas,, with the cdc

shifting protocols we had people infected from that type of contact. we just can't have that in the new york/new jersey area, and that's why you see they agree in chicago as well. i think this is a policy that will become a national policy sooner rather than later. you're in florida as head of the republican governors association, let's put up the numbers. at this point republicans currently hold 29 governor seats, democrats 21, but this year republicans are defending 22 governorships, and democrats only -- governor, where do you see the count? where do you see the count after the election? >> well, chris, it's very interesting. we're also defending nine governorships in states that president obama has won twice. so we have a pretty daunting task on our hands. i think everybody expected us to be a bit on our heels. quite the contrary we're on

offense in more states than on defense. in fact we have 12 races within the margin of error with just nine days to go until the election. so i think no one can really predict exactly where we're going to be. i've been more involved in these races more than anyone on our side of the aisle, but the fact is it will be a real battle down to election day. but because of the great jobs or republican governors have done and some of the good things that are being challenged, i think we'll come through this race very well. some wisconsin some of the people around governor scott walker, who is seekic reelection, are complaining that the rga is not doing enough to support him. they're even suggesting the reason is because you view him as a possible threat, a possible contender for the presidency in 2016. your response, sir? >> well, listen, the fact just don't back that up, chris. first of all, scott walker and i have a great relationship.

we just spoke again a couple days ago. i'll be going next week to campaign for him two different times. secondly we spent over $6 million already in the state of wisconsin on this effort. over the course of scott's three races for governor, 2010, 2012, and 2014, we spent over $20 million. so that's just folks in the punditry who want to talk about back room kind of stuff, which has no relationship to reality. i am a complete scott walker supporter, always have been and we're going to work as hard as we can to make sure he is rea elected. you mentioned president obama. while he's staying away from democratic senate races, he is actually campaigning in several of the governors' races. in fact in these final days he's going to pennsylvania, wisconsin, maine and michigan. is it harder to tie a democratic gubernatorial candidate in a state race to president obama

and his policy? >> it depends on who that democrat is, obviously, chris, and what their record is. for instance, in michigan, congressman gary shower completely supports the obama agenda. that's weyrich steiner, on top of the fact that he has an extraordinary record of job creation and growth and bringing detroit back in michigan, le elected. a contributing factor is congressman showers' record of supporting the obama aengina in congress. what we rely upon more than anything else are the great records and the great ideas of our republican governors and our -- charlie baker in massachusetts is running an outstanding race there. brew rounder in illinois is doing a great job in that very blue state. tom followy in krkic counter is doing a great job, and keep an eye on hogan.

those are states where we are pushing and we bha just have success on election night. governor, i don't have to tell you, this is the first time you've done a sunday show since the scandal involving the closing of lanes on the bridge causing a tremendous traffic jam because of the fact that the mayor of fort lee refused to support your reelection. there was a support in september, last month that nine months into their investigation, that federal prosecutors had found no evidence that you had prior knoll of the lane closures, and yet now more than a month later, ten months into the investigation, the state and federal investigations continue. question -- why do you think it's taking so long? >> you know, i did this for seven year of my career before i became governor. i was united states attorney for the district of new jersey. i learned very clearly anytime

politicians try to guess what was going on in prosecutors' offices, they were making a mistake. am people of new jersey know and need to know is that i had absolutely nothing to do with this, and that seems to be the conclusion that some folks are coming to as well. i know it will be the conclusion ultimately, because i know the truth. >> talk about prosecutors, that's the federal case. the state indication is being handled by state legislators, do you think there's aung effort by some of the democrats there to keep you under a cloud? >> of course. of course. if you look at what the hearings have been like, they're hyper partisan. but that's okay. you don't get anywhere by complaining about these things. we took the steps when we discovered something had gone wrong, but we've moved on. we got a balanced budget passed again, and did all the things

you expect governments to work. so this is not the kind of stuff that concerns me at all. i keep doing my job and doing my job as chairman of the republican governors association. you brought up the budget. you're taking some criticism for the financial situation in new jersey, you decided to cut payments to pension funds, and the credit rating for new jersey has actually been downgraded eight times on yare watch, and the polls in new jersey show you with your lower favorability rating since you became governor. what's going on? >> first of all, you have to remember what we inherited five years ago, ten years of consecutive tax increases at the state level. this was an awful mess. now what have we do? five balanced budgets in a row. we've had 2.3 billion in tax cuts for the businesses of new jersey, 143,000 new private

sector jobs and unemployment rates have gone from 9.7% down to 6.5%. so we still have work to do, no question, but we've gotten a lot done, and i'm working every day to make that record even better as we go forward. there will always be the nay sayers, chris, but i'm in there getting the job done every day, and i think that's what the people of new jersey like about us. 2016, are you going to run for president? >> i don't know. i won't make up my mind until the beginning of next year. i've got 36 governor races that i'm overseeing right now, in addition to a pretty busy day job that, like you outlined. i'm not being coy about it, i'm obviously thinking about it, but i won't make any final decision until next year. >> you spoke to the chamber of commerce this week and made some comments that got some attention.

>> i am convinced that the next president of the united states will be a governor, and it needs to be. we have had the experiment of a legislator who's never run anything, getting on the job training in the white house. it has not been pretty. >> you were obviously taking a shot at president obama, but were you also taking a shot at potential candidates rand paul and ted cruz? >> no, i was talking about is what we have seen in the white house over the last six years. we see it with the crises happening around the world and at 4078 right now. you need someone in that chair who knows how to make those decisions, who has done it before. that's why i advocate governors as the best people to be considered as president in 2016. no, this was a direct commentary on the record of the last six years. unfortunately the fact that nobody has ever run bigger than a senate staff may not be the best training in the world to run the biggest government in the world, chris. >> in that chamber of commerce

speech you also said it's time to start offending people. there was one comment that a lot of people are taking offense to. here it is. >> i'm tired of hearing about the minimum wage. i really am. i don't think there's a mother or father sitting around a kitchen table tonight in america saying, you know, honey? if our son or daughter could just make a higher minimum wage, my god, all our dreams would be realized. while everyone agrees we need better-paying jobs, for people making 7.25 an hour, they say that getting an increase to $10 would make a big difference in their lives and you were being cavalier about it. >> i'm not being cavalier at all. i'm saying it exactly as we see it. we need to not have a debate. we need to have a debate over better-paying middle class jobs in this country. if that doesn't somehow comport with people some the political

elite want, i am sorry. i know talking to families across new jersey and now across this country, what they are aspiring to is good paying, middle-class jobs for their children and even higher so that they can have a stable home life, so that they can have the ability to go away on a vacation if they'd like to. they'll have the ability to save for their children to go to college. the debate we need to be having is how to have a better pro-growth economy that's growing jobs and good paying jobs. jobs across the country, other great businesses that operate in new jersey and other places across the country that create those great-paying middle-class jobs. that's the debate we should be having. there's not not incountry inequality, but the biggest opportunity is opportunity in equality. that's what they are talking about wanting for their children's future. that's exactly what i was saying at the chamber of commerce. i don't back off from those comments one inch. finally, governor, the last

time we talked was last november just after you had been reelected as governor at that time you were the front-runner for the republican gnome neighbors in those absurdly early polls. a mcclatchy maris national poll, rand paul at 12, and jeb bush at 10, but late last month, bush was in front 15% with paul at 13, you at 12. two questions really. one, how bad lid have you been damaged by bridgegate? and what do you say to people who like you, but worried you may be too tough, to bare bones, to brass knuckles, for the presidency? and even if you did know nothing about it you created a climate in your administration that people thought closing the lanes to a bridge was okay. >> well, first of all there's no climate in our administration that would ever permit that, and

the termination of the folks involved proves that clearly. secondly so does our bipartisan record. tax cuts in new jersey, five balanced buckets where today, chris we're spending less in fiscal year '15 than the state of new jersey spent in 2008, seven years ago. those are all bipartisan achievements. reform this year and focusing on getting smart with drug rehabilitation, all bipartisan achievements. so the fact is you can't worry about those kind of polls for an election that's three years away. that's certainly nothing i worry about. what i'm much more concerned about is doing the job for the people of my state, which we continue to do. in a second term look at what's happening with washington, chris, they could get anything accomplished, yet in new jersey we're passing major pieces of legislate. i'm not the least big concerned. you know what i'm concerned about? first and foremost, doing my

job, and making our state a better place to live and work and raise a family. second, electing as many republicans to state houses across the country in nine days. i think we'll have success at both. >> governor christie, thank you. always good to talk with you. to be continued, sir. >> absolutely, chris. i look forward to it. how do you think republicans will do in november novembe? let me know. use the #fns. how much of a burden is president obama for democrats in tight races? our sunday group joins the conversation. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there.

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i never said i didn't want president obama to come and campaign. the fact is he's busy in washington. >> the bottom line is, though, these are all folks who vote with me. they had supported my agenda in congress. that's helpful. new mexico senator jean shahin. and it's time for our sunday group. brit hume, fox news senior political analyst. nina easton from fortune, george will, and former senator evan ba bayh. what did you think about his performance and his viability as a candidate for president in

2016? >> itfuls impressive in the sense he was fluid on the issues, good answers for your questions, which were probing. i think what we're seeing is his reemergence. not that the cloud that's hovered over him is gone, but i think it's dissipated over time. the fact that the investigating gripes have not come up with anything suggested they may be doing what they're doing, for the same reason people always say why do you -- because you stop looking when you find it. i don't think these people will stop until they find something, but the longer this goes on, the actual likelihood of them doing that diminishes. >> one of the interesting things, nina, if you look, christie has clearly taken a hit from last december. on the other hand despite all of this and hi kind of absence in the national scene, he's still up there with the front-runners.

>> he has two things going for him. he's incredibly authentic, secondly low expectations i can't tell you how many have written him out. having low expectations is a good way to start a race. >> let's turn to the mid terms. nine days out, george, a lot of the senate races are between the republicans and democrats, some republican seats, some democratic seats, are within the margin of error. this is really tight. >> it's tight and remarkable. what that means is, in arkansas and north carolina, elsewhere, democratic candidates are running double signatures ahead of the president as job approval rating. he's down 31, 32 3rks 3% and they're up in the mid to high 40s. >> that's right. right now the campaigns are focused on what they call low propensity voters. voters that have to be prompted, even prodded to the polls in

off-year elections. one mesh injure -- measure is early election. republicans say they are doing well in early voting and absentee ballot voting. we shall see. "the denver post" poll shows that cory gardner is -- among hispanics 49-35. that's a 14-point lead for the republicans in colorado. >> senator bayh, your reaction to these polls, despite the talk about the unpopularity of the president and talk about a potential republican wave. the fact they are still so close. i've been there, your best sense of whether democrats hold on to the senate or the republicans flip it. >> let me ask the second question first. this will be very close.

the number of races in play is extraordinarily high. a lot we won't know until election night, but history geography and the president's approval rating would suggest a good night for the republicans. the democrats have invested about $60 million in get out the vote efforts. the obama campaign outperformed the polls in many of these states, including colorado. michael bennett running in 201 did the same thing. alaska, mark begich has invested a lot of moan to get out the vote. if i had to guess, my guess is controlling the united states senate will come down to a runoff in december in louisiana, and quite possibly a runoff in georgia in january. you talk about democrats trying to get voters who vote in

presidential election, but not in the mid terms to come out and vote this time. you're also talking about trying to get the obama voters to vote when obama is not on the ballot. >> at the margins, you can usually move 1, 2, maybe 3%. the key is here there's so many races that perhaps they could threat the needle and pull it off. it is a dilemma, because many of these states are red states, yet you're still trying to turn out base democratic votes. >> final brougthought, brit? >> there are three thoughts, the democrats turnout machine is superb. up until this month they've also had a money advantage. finally there's a low esteem in which the republican party is held, all of which constitute forces that counter act that it looks like it will be a good republican year and may determine whether it's good enough for the republicans to

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we will be vigilant, but we will not run scared. we will be prudent, but we will not panic. as for the business of government, here we are in our seats, in our chamber in the very heart of our democracy and are working. >> hear hear. canadian prime minister stephen harper taking a firm stand after two terror attacks on his country. we're back with the panel. it wasn't just canada. take a look at this video in new york city of a man with a hatchet who attacked new york

city police officers thursday. authorities say head been visiting isis and other jihadist web sites. here is new york city police commissioner william pratt. >> as i'm looking at this, i would be comfortable preliminary evaluation is this was a terrorist act. >> no doubt in his mind. the two in canada, the one in new york seeping tore classic self-radicalized lone wolf terrorists. if they're getting recruited at home, how do we stop them? >> i would count this as being recruited some of the people in this country are just stark raving mad. in 1951, a man unjustly forgotten, eric harper published "a true believer" in which he said mass movements, religions, totalitarian movements also attack psychotherapy, they

project their disorderly inner lives on these things, get a sense of meaning out of this. i'm afraid it's true then, true now. he received the medal of freedom from ronald reagan for this insight and we should revisit what he saw. >> this brings up an interesting question. there's a debate -- are these terrorists -- they have long criminal records, down and out, homeless, perhaps mentally ill. does it make a difference their motivation if they end many doug their worst. >> they've been called lone wolves. i would cause them stray dogs skullicing amends that key strategy of isis to radicalize westerners at home with them, and here. one thing i think not to terrify people, but this could go on for a very long time. we have leon panetta saying

these a 30-year war, former top hillary aide saying to me a couple weeks ago, we're looking at a 15 to 20-year war. so this is something we'll have to confront. keep in mind these guys in canada, they were trying to get to the middle east and couldn't. they took it out here. so this is a problem both in the middle east and at home. >> george says this is not recruiting. brit, we've had three attacks this week. one of the questions i have, is there something about isis and claims of a caliphate, with great sophistication with these beheadings, and we know the last fellow in new york apparently had visited those sites. is there something that makes it more attractive? >> it makes it attractive to people whose lives are in

disarr disarray, with a propensity of violence, and are afraid of dying. this gives them a reason to not fear the outcome. this attacker was killed in a hail of bullets from the police guns. he didn't care, apparently. he was prepared for that. if isis is able to inspire violent nut cases across the united states and there are plenty of them, to carry out random attacks first on the police, but possibly later on random citizens, these especially frightening and does have the effect i think of terrorizing. that video you showed is truly frightening. >> i want to get back to the question is, what do we do about it? we got a bunch like this on facebook from paul david hansen who writing -- why is our government's monitoring of our e-communications still failing to stop radicalists.

what good is it to monitor and detect if you only sit back and watch the attack. how do you answer paul? >> it's hard to answer paul. civil libertarians will say it's not enough just to express thoughts, there has to be action, but this is hard. these are individuals not communicated with wide networks we can normally listen to. they're will are in the country, and it's a balance between protecting society from these maniacs, this is radicals, versus preserving some zone of privacy on the other. therein lies the tension. >> there is a controversy obviously about the nsa and all the surveillance that we know they are able to track at least the fact of every phone call and every e-mail. do we need not fewer -- less surveillance, but more surveillance so when a guy like that is posting horrible things and some of these guys in canada

wsh dorg it that we pick it up. >> the question becomes -- what does monitoring mean? frankly friends, relatives, family ought to notice the people close to them are deeply disturbed. they ought to have public health officials they can turn to and say this is symptomatic of potential violence. the idea that the central government, the national security administration or something, collecting metadata in vast quantities, billions and trillions can then find these knew needles in that enormous haystack and the federal government did monitor in i don't know what that means. this has to be done at the local level with people who know these people and see something unfolding. >> in the case of that fellow who went into the parliament in canada. his mother said she hadn't seen him in five years. some of these people just drop out. so what is the net around them of family and friends who will

say he's off the rail? >> some of them do drop out. i would put this in the same basket as something we haven't talked about today, which is school shootings. i would put all of this in the same category of when you see something, say something. this is a theme we use to fight terrorism since 9/11. we need a mechanism at the federal level where people can call in, where it -- troubling social postings -- because they're public, when you see these tribling postings, you have someplace to go with it. let's take the santa barbara shooters, his mother was scared to death had guy would take a gun out and shoot those kids. this is -- i think it's something that you can approach in a similar way, which is if you see something, say something, and somewhere does smib who is troubled by the postings, the activities, the talk of somebody they know, where can they go?

>> part of the quandary there, brit, even if you did let somebody know that so-and-so is posting terrible things, what are you going to do? >> you can't assign a gumshoe to follow them around and can't commit nim for just writing something. >> therein lies part of the problem. everyone knows there are lots of people who are not playing with a full deck, who are lying around in our parks and they appear to be harmless, and they cannot be institutionalized, because the courts have ruled that such people -- >> a lot of them have been released from mentality institutions. >> exactly right. so that's an issue that may need to be revisited as well, how easily you can commit nutty people to institutions to keep them from being on the streets where they bay become dangerous, you have a lot greater chance of

getting hit in a car accident than from a hatchet by a terrorist. secondly, this is an empty ideology and our way of life will triumph. it may take years. >> a hopeful note in a very bleak week. we're going to take a quick break here. when we come back, we'll have the panel back. the world series in full swing, but viewers aren't tuning in like they used to. george will isn't going to like this. what is happening to america's pastime? how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 70% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing.

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into center -- >> my best joe buck impression, pablo sandoval delivering the two-out bases loaded single that give his team the lead over the kansas royals in game 4. the series now tied at two games apiece. we're back with some extra innings for our sunday group. we were struck by an article in "new york times" this week about not how many, but how few people are watching the world series. let's put his stats, 12.2 million people tuned in. that's the lowest game 1 on record. 12.9 million watched game 2. by way of comparison, 25 million peeped ward the world cup soccer game last summer between the u.s. and port gatt, double the audience for the world series

opener. george, as our baseball guru, what is wrong with the national past time? >> not a thing. 20-year-old it was a 1.2 billion industry, now it's a $9 billion industry. if you add up the combined attendancy of the national hockey league, national basketball association and the national football league, major league baseball draws 14 more million people than those sports combined nfl is a television program. there's a reason for that. in the part, because a lot of people would rather not go and experience the stadium ambience, which is to say nothing more rowdy to watch grown men get concussions. >> we like the nfl here too, george. >> this has been a trend for decades. take a look at these numbers,

that last nine years have produced the eight least watched world series. this is watched, and check this out. 12.2 million people, as we said, watched the kansas city royals in game 1 this year. the last time the royals were in a series, the game's average 34.5 million. senator bayh, that is pretty dramatic. >> it reflects the proliferation of media and athletic options. nothing's going to be quite as dominant as it used to be. my hope is, and i would defer to the guru, but my hope is this is not evidence of a broader trend, but a immediate and constant gratification, where the pace of the game may not lend itself to that. >> wes brit, baseball knows they have a problem. they have scheduled this so they're not going up against thursday night football and not against monday night football, but as was the case last night,

they were up against college football. >> you can't avoid everything. >> >> but i think football has supplanted baseball as the national obsession, but i think football, as george has suggested may be under a death sense because of the concussion problem. if that's not solved, kids will not be playing, and eventually the game will wither. we're flat out of time, nina, i apologize. i know you are such a business sports fann. see you next week in new york, as we preview the mid terms. now a quick program note. you can catch -- and please do -- game 5 of the world series tonight on your local fox state coverage starts at 8:00 eastern, only on fox. that's it for today. have a great week, wee seal you next "fox news sunday."

we are fox sports! >> good morning. hi, i'm bill. and i'm on today, because the nfl is going global. the game today from london, england for the falcons will play the lions. i heard the falcons were going to fight the lions in public. sounded a little too cool for me. there's also other great games here in the united states which involve two fantastic bird teams, the eagles and the cardinals. they both have good records, they're 5-1. the eagles, proud, bold symbol of our country. the cardinals, the state bird of illinois. i got to go with the little red guy in this one. because he sounds a little something like this. [ bird whistling ]