i need the baker file stat!! reply!! still making changes. circle back later!! what's with the yelling? oh, our internet slows down during peak hours so sending e-mails and large files just takes forever. so, we just yell. ben!!! thanks for the flowers!!! i thought you hated me!!! lol!!! semi-colon! right parenthesis! winky emoticon! (announcer) switch to verizon and get a dedicated high speed internet connection from our office to your small business so you won't be slowed down even if your neighbors are online. call the verizon center for customers with disabilities at 800-974-6006 tty/v today and for only $79.99 a month for 12 months with a 3 year contract you'll also get our award winning internet security suite, unlimited nationwide calling, and over $180 back in available online rebates. plus, the reliability of the verizon network. call the verizon center for customers with disabilities at 800-974-6006 tty/v today for the verizon single line business pak and data protection pak. one of the many tools

in the verizon small business toolbox.

-- well to that point, how do you safe guard the u.s. systems and hold at risk those with potential enemies? >> i would say -- >> knowing that's a sensitive thing to be honest. >> i will dance around that need too. there's two ways to do it, if you go blind and deaf on the enemy first and then building in thetic electron -- in the electronic capabilities. frankly, the u.s. army has been eitherring sort of a speck -- has been entering a spectro ordinance that doesn't take the threat into view as much as we

should have. that will be a key component of the systems with we build and the network architectures we have to make. >> especially against the future foes is? -- foes? >> absolutely. of course the unprocured ones can get the commercial off the shelf capabilities to the be directed against us on the ground. >> it almost deminds me during the cold war, there was no communications, operations, and exercises. that would be interesting to conduct today when everyone is so dependent on all the energy on the spectrum. >> that's such a great point. the vice chief of staff of the army last year made that point. said we need to put into our exercises electronic warfare play. what happen when is you do that? we have to train in those

environments environments that are spectrally independent so to speak. >> obviously it's not just an army issue. it's an issue for the u.s. military. >> absolutely. >> what has kept the services from coordinating with one another and coordinating with themselves. >> there's been a good effort the last few years, really the war started off a lot of it. it began what became a high school -- a hollistic command. these guys in the duke as it's called pull the services together. let's take a look at this. someone was digging in service by service. what you had. what was too much. got dollar figures which no service is anxious to give up

right away and got a holiesic look that went to the joint staff two weeks ago. very good. >> how far away where we before we can say that we have certain assurety or security in these systems? where we can say we are not as vulnerable as we are now? >> i would say the first thing we need to do is have awareness of what is on the spectrum. right now we don't have a common operating picture. basically you have a lot of users on the spectrum, military, government. if you went into a square of bchdad for instance, you would see hundreds of thousands i dare say of signals. you see airplanes, fedex and satellite signals. you would have mr. and mr. abdul talking to one another. friendly people wanting to help on their cell phones.

you see an ambulance going by on their own emergency responder network. the taxi signals and in the middle is one guy trying act out and detonate the device. first understand the users of the spectrum. we have to find ways to go around the ones we want to keep on the spectrum, especially the ones we want to build into the democracies and find surgically the ones that don't belong. there it's know hog is there, and then it goes into developing agile open system operations that allow us to operate with each other and jointly so we can work in the free space that is left over. a lot of that is basic spectrum management, one of the challenges from my understand is something will do a test or check that is thrown off. a uav in or bit.

spectrum management is key to this? >> huge. absolutely. knowing what is out there. too often we allow systems to get fielded without the understanding of how they impact çother systems. you will have something sent out and okay, it works with this system and this system but es it work with the myriad of ores out there? how does it impact the coalition systems? these days it's a coalition fight as well. i think that's a key point that has not gone unnoticed by senior leaders in the osd joint staff that we have to get better at building inoperable systems. >> some wonder if the kernel is sufficient rank to be the operator of the chief offices. sometimes there's enough rank for someone who is interested in their own specific thing. how do you respond to that? >> that's another great point. all the services right now

don't have dedicated generated officers who do electronic war far. what -- warfare. what we depend on is them to carry the day-to-day weight senior leadership. i need backing up, true. i have a great two star, three star, and work for the chief of operations for the army. major huggens, his boss is the g3 who does all the current ofs and day-to-day ofs. and his boss who i see frequently is the vice chief of staff. he's four star. that's my direct chain of command. amazing. few folks in the kernel level have that opportunity every day. they have fourthive and have led me through this one by one but it's great leadership. >> kernel, thank you for joining us. >> thank you.

>> what will it take to reform a 60-year-ctd t rusture? stay tuned. fafa ♪ ♪ tell me who's watching.

♪ i always feel like somebody's watching me. ♪ (announcer) it's right here. it's easy. ♪ i always feel like somebody's watching me. ♪ it's the money you could be saving with geico. all the way to the home, you meant... we bring fiber optic all the way to the home. um... which gives you more bandwidth than cable. so you can upload faster. so it's like comparing a horse and buggy to a sports car. am i the, uh, horse? (announcer) it's a whole new internet. only verizon's 100% fiber optic network makes uploading as easy as downloading. because your internet's not fast unless it's two-way fast.

two years ago the project on national security reform was launched to help transform america's lumbering system. funded by the nonprofit nonpartisan organization were meading experts. so now senior members of president obama's team including dey ainnblr, dety bl of secretary of state jim steinberg and michelle floynoid. here to explain what needs to be done, jim lockner. welcome to the show. >> thank you. i'm delighted to be here. >> let's start out, the start of every administration is characterized by a series of major reports. yo urreport is significantly larger than most of the reports we have seen to date. what is wrong with the national

security system and what has to be done to reform it? >> fundamentally, it's misaligned with the threats we are facing todayment we are in we need to work across our government. the set become -- the setbacks we have had recently are problems we have been having. >> what are some of the most significant reforms you're advocating in your report? >> one of the things that needs to be done, we need better integration. length in the international security council and a staff there, a security adviser that could integrate across the government. >> you're talking about the integration of the intelligence agencies, home land security and to a collective whole, not only shaping the agenda but shaping over the long-term? >> right. the obama administration has come in and talk about a whole

government approach which is exactly what is needed. >> does the current structure actually work against change? >> it does. there's lots of status quo pressures in the current system. and it's very large. the departments have all of the power. they like their independence and prerogatives. there's not a lot of incentive to move to an integrated structure. >> some critics say the system is too large to change and change would cause too much disruption. how do you respond to folks who say çthat? >> the system is not too large to be changed. it needs to be changed. it needs fundamental principles, presidential leadership, congressional leadership to bring it about. we can change the system. we must change the system. otherwise we are going to continue to have the kinds of setbacks we have experienced over the last seven or eight

years. >> what were some of the breakdowns you would point to in the last seven or eight years to illustrate examples of the breakdowns and what are some of the future problems that keep you awake at night as you argue for a new design? >> okay, if we think of the terrorist attacks of september 11th, the failed or troubled stability operations in iraq and afghanistan, and want poor response to hurricane katrina, they all had an organizal basis in terms of the problems we were experiencing. we could not pull together the different elements of our government to intergrate their abilities to be able to respond in a meaningful way, quickly to the devastations of hurricane

katrina. we have lots of things we have seen in the past and studied very very carefully. these problems go back more than the last seven or eight years. they have been problems we have had for the last 30, 40, 50 years. as we look to the future, there are you know the threats of terrorist use of weapons of mass destruction which would require a tremendously integrated effort from thitis to defeat or respond to. those are the kinds of things that keep us awake at night thinking about. >> let's go for a second, obviously the purpose of the report that came out forging a new child came out in november. part of it was to steer the administration into the party. however the national debate has been focused on healthcare and economy. when do you expect this to be a priority? is the current administration doing anything to adopt your

ideas proactively? >> they are. healthcare reform is at the top of the reform agenda. general jones clearly understands that the system needs to be changed. he has already begun to make changes. he stated clearly we need to undertake reforms. the obama administration itself has a collaborative team. they are talking about the whole government. they used the term team which is important. to recognize all the department and agenerals is needs to work together. they have expanded the membership of the national security council, recognizing it's broader today than it used to be in the past. as you know, they have merged. the national security staff, and the homeland security staff. one of the key recommendations of the project. >> how important is the congressional role or this is stuff the president can do by direction? >> there's a lot the president can do under exiting authority.

the congress itself needs to be reformed. it's part of the problem. the committees have narrow jurisdictions. they cannot do whole government. in the jurisdiction, the president and national security system will need more for the 21 21st century. congress will have to provide that authority in legislation. >> jim, thank you for joining us. we would love to have you back to talk about this important top snick. >> what is next, coming up, you're watching this week in defense news. cbs its incredible deals.

cbs and with her daughter starting middle school tomorrow, connie's got some high expectations. she expects look 11 might be the one. she expects look 17 might be the one. so she shops target. where they've always got her back for back to school. target. expect more. pay less. so, what's the problem? these are hot. we're shipping 'em everywhere.

but we can't predict our shipping costs. dallas. detroit. different rates. well with us, it's the same flat rate. same flat rate. boston. boise? same flat rate. alabama. alaska? with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. dude's good. dude's real good. dudes. priority mail flat rate boxes only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship.

since it was created in 2003, the army has founded the future combat systems has key to the organization. the flood of vehicles, uavs and communication systems carried a price tag of $160 billion. critics said it was too ill focused and tried to do too much. criticism that became sharper has the costs rose. it was stripped of man ground vehicles and remained the brigade team organization. evan montgomery and research fellow recently published a paper on the program is and here to tell us what is next. what is next? >> when the program was officially canceled, it was one into spin out components to the army to all brigades. >> to seal the subsystems

subsystems that were developing? >> right. some of the sensors, some aspects of the net work technology. a second acquisition will pursue that further a third to design the new ground vehicles to replace the ones that secretary gates canceled. >> are any of the other parts parts of the program in jeopardy at this point? >> i think so, the network in particular, the network was always the most important program and the most challenging of the program. >> 100 million lines? >> 100 million lines of code. three times what they anticipated depending on the component 3rd base developed. the air force's transformational satellite program that was supposed to provide the band withthe army needed for the network. it was canceled by secretary gates in april. pursuing that while canceling the ground vehicles could be a problem. >> let's go over to the ground

vehicle portion of this. the critics always said, look the army has a large number of ground vehicles, it's the protected vehicles, mwraps, buying striker. it was the fundamental future in wheeled vehicle. also is trying to seek a joint light tactical vehicle to replace the humvees. what are these new vehicles going to look like, and sink it with all -- sync it with all the vehicles being bought? >> they will probably look like the existing inventory of vehicles. right now it looks like the army will revisit the mix of brigades they have. i expect when they got come out of the qbr process, the striker belie good day, you will get more -- brigades, you will get more of those. the heavy brigades will be in the inventory probably for quite some time.

>> the tanks and heavy fighting vehicles will be the same things that have been in the force for 30 years? >> right and you will probably see upgrades to the strikers or brad i wills to -- bradleys to offset that. >> the army looks like fcs or what was known as fcs and says they are fielding capabilities right now. >> uh-uh. >> how much are being applicable on being delivered on a schedule to the liking of the combat troops? >> well right now they are felting precursor systems, small vehicles in the like. those are out with a force right now. they are supposed to start spinning the capabilities, more versions of the networking capabilities to the entire force beginning in fy2011 through 2025. there's questions has arizona to how valuable those are with the conflicts right now. when you look at warfare

operations, the best intelligence you get will not come from a sensor platform it will come from the local population. >> is the program any more executable and manageable than it was before it was broken up? >> it's hard to say. there were a lot of criticisms of how the army handed the program. they incentivized it. it's being abandoned as well for the ground man vehicles. i think will be retained for the additional technologies. some of the problems may persist into the future. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you for join me. why they need to continue investing in çsubmarine and antisubmarine technologies.

and make it easy when you're away. and where ever you go, atm fees won't follow. get back to what really matters switch to suntrust checking today suntrust. live solid, bank solid. heard you're getting free nights from hotels.com. how? well, funny you should ask. you see, after i book 10 nights, i get a free one. say i spend 2 nights at a big name hotel, 3 at a boutique, and 5 at a beach resort... and boom! free night. ( dings, monkey chatters ) ( in a baby voice ) aren't you a smart one? ( monkey laughs ) accumulate 10 nights and get a night free. welcomerewards from hotels.com. smart. so smart.

the discovery this week of

two russian nuclear submarines is the aftermine reminder -- afterreminder of the submarines. of course the russians are free to roam the open waters but if they want to interfere with military or commercial shipping in and out of u.s. ports they are able to do so. you don't need many submarines to cause devastating damage. if you can't track their subs, you can get free access to the sees. finding subs is getting harder, making undersea war far more important for strike, missile defense and preserving the flow that fuels america's economy. america's subs are the best in the world. the united states must invest to ensure the undersea world edge. thank you for joining us. you can watch this online at defensenewstv.com or e-mail me.

i will be back next sunday morning at eleven. have a great week.