captioning funded by cbs president obama announcing a new plan to help homeowners and get out from under water. could it help you? we will take a closer look and check in on the rising stock market as well as the dow jones industrials push closer to the key 12,000 mark. a desperate scene in eastern turkey where they are digging for survivors of a huge 7.2 magnitude earthquake. hundreds of people confirmed dead. thousands of homes and other buildings have collapsed. in the meantime, dozens of aftershocks rocking the region. as steve jobs biography hits stores today, the author tells "60 minutes" how the cancer.

>> he started focusing on his family again as well. it was a painful, brutal struggle and he would talk often to me about the pain. >> we will hear more from walter isaacson "early" this monday morning, october 24th, 2011. bhg . a beautiful sunrise on this monday morning. welcome to "the early show" on this monday. i'm chris wragge. >> and i'm erica hill. we're happy you're back. glad on your the mend here after you battling an illness. >> i missed you. we begin with the economy and new attack on a huge problem. millions of people, up to a million people whose mortgages are worth more than their homes right now. >> so many people can relate to

that to being under water. this morning, president obama is unveiling a new plan to help some of those people refinance and cut their mortgage bills. norah o'donnell joins us this morning with the details. good morning. >> good morning to you. >> reporter: the president's jobs billed is stalled in congress. today, president obama is going to begin a series of executive branch actions in order to help jump-start the economy. first up, housing. guess what? the president is on the west coast today. he is going to be in las vegas which, of course, is the heart of the housing problem in this country. we know, of course, that many people believe that the housing recovery is tied to economic recovery. so here is what the president is going to be doing today. he is announcing what senior officials call major overhaul of the underused refinance program. bottom line, you've under water and you've been paying your bills and you can't refinance and can't get ahold of the great rates out there for people this program the president will announce will enable people to

fix that and remove a lot of the barriers in place for people who can't refinance and take advantage of some of the savings out there. i think you'll hear the president couple this with a new political message saying we can't wait. remember, it's been pass this bill in terms of his jobs act. he will now say we can't wait to do a lot of these programs to help fix the economy. i asked a senior official this morning. if you're under water and you can't refinance, when can you take advantage of the new overhaul? i'm told the regulations will go out november 15th, so around december you should be able to take advantage of some of these new proposals. >> norah o'donnell at the white house this morning, thanks. wall street has seen a few ups and downs lately. october turned out to be a pretty good month for stocks. >> dow industries approaching the key 12,000 mark. let's ask cbs news business and economics correspondent rebecca jarvis about this. before we talk about the market, let's go back to the housing

deal here. saw brass taxes. what does this mean and how many people does this affect? >> first of all, you have 11 million mortgages in this country under water. meaning people owe more on their mortgage than the value of their homes. 11 million is a huge number. the program is expected to help between 600,000 to a million homeowners. what is important about this is is not just the people it might help but also the housing market, because we know the housing market has been at the center of our crisis in this country. it's what really set things off. places like nevada, for example, florida, california, which have really been in significant trouble because of the foreclosure rates there, they are going to see likely the largest impact. you see there in the red. 2 million people in those places are in very significant trouble in terms of refinancing. so it speaks to the whole idea a rising tide could help. >> if some of those people were allowed to refinance, is the thinking, too, then it would make it easier for those people

to perhaps, if they wanted to, sell their home and then give a boost to the market or is that wishful thinking? >> that would be wishful thinking, i think. ultimately here is for people to live and stay in their homes, people who are up-to-date on making their mortgage payments and by the way, the eligible people for this program have a loan with fannie mae or freddie mac. >> let's talk about the markets quickly. big numbers here are we talking about? or psychological 12,000 mark we are close to? >> what you have seen is a manic market going back and forth between hope and fear. on the hope side things looking slightly better not a recession at this point but on the fear side you have the housing problems in the jobs mark and housing market and issues in europe we see every day new protests coming out of greece. >> rebecca jarvis, thank you. >> thanks. the official death toll is 270 after a 7.2 magnitude earthquake hit eastern turkey that happened near the border

are iran. mark phillips is in london with us with the latest on that situation. >> reporter: the scale of the devastation in the zone in turkey has been clear as daylight returned. as the death toll rises, hundreds are still unaccounted for. a country as earthquake-prone as turkey may be quick to react when the earth shakes but the level of tragedies can still shock. rescue workers have been clawing and hammering away at the rubble, pulling out those who somehow survived. the death toll has already risen well above 200 and no one will be surprised if it goes much higher. in the midst of so much despair, miracles emerge this morning in the form of a young child found alive. everywhere, there are stories of people shocked and confused. this boy was at his uncle's house when the quake hit. i went to my parents' place, he

said, and no one was there. i went to my grandfather's and it was empty to i went to the park with everyone else. we were trapped under debris with my mother, this man says, i was pulled out alive, but he is still trapped there. some of it is too much even for the rescue workers to bear. the greatest need is for shelter and tents were brought in. people have been told to stay out of buildings as aftershocks have been strong and are expected to continue. the quake happened in a kurdish region of turkey often at odds with the central government so the rescue effort has a political dimension as well. as ever, there are questions as to why so many buildings collapsed in an area so prone to quakes. >> mark phillips in london this morning, thanks. over the weekend about every gop presidential contender blasted president obama's decision to withdrawal u.s. troops from iraq the end of the year. this is minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann on "face the

nation". >> there is an american presence that is required to ensure that peace. this is zero. this isn't even -- remember, the military had requested 15,000 to 18,000 troops. that's what the generals had requested. it seems more political-based than it does military-based, this decision so it look -- it's more like a general axelrod is making this decision to take the troops down to zero. >> general axelrod that bachmann referred to is david axelrod, the campaign chief strategist and joining us from washington is jan crawford. what are the other gop candidates saying about iraq this weekend? >> reporter: they have been all been pretty consistent the president is not respected and operating from a position of weakness and basically allowing iraq to throw us out of the country. front-runner mitt romney said it's driven by politics saying this was a sudden change of policy and raised the unavoidable question as romney put it as to whether this

decision is result of naked political calculation or is simply sheer ineptitude and whichever one it was,, obviously, not words of praise from the gop there. >> jan some say the president has been on a foreign policy role so far this year. bin laden, now the troops withdrawing from iraq. these are big score points from the american people and not getting the bounce, though, politically. >> reporter: when you think about the president's use of deadly force to knock out our enemies, you just ran through some of them. ironic. obama won the nobel peace prize two years ago and getting credit for some of these successes and his candidates are likely to doubt that in the months ahead but not getting the bounce because unemployment is still at 9.1% and that is what voters care most about right now. and that may be explained why

the latest gallup poll has his approval rating at 44%. that is a problem for president obama going into this election and that is what he wants to talk about, jobs, and the economy. >> cbs' jan crawford in washington for us, thank you. good talking with you. >> reporter: thanks, chris. we check in now with jeff glor at the news desk with a look at other headlines we are following for you this morning. >> good monday morning to you. chris, welcome. us embassy in syria said ambassador robert ford has been called back to washington for his personal safety. ford less damascus over the weekend. the embassy calls it temporary but does not say when he'll return. last month his motorcade was attacked. ford was not hurt in that. in libya this morning, the nation is still celebrating the end of moammar gadhafi. liz palmer is in tripoli with the latest. liz, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jeff. well, everybody hopes that the fighting really is now over and reconstruction can begin in

ernes earnest. a party yesterday. the interim leader addressed the jubilant crowd but reminded them ta tolerant is essential if this is going to work. he said it would be run by shia law but one big pending decision to do what to do with gadhafi's body. it is on rather grisly display today the third day in a row in old meat locker in misrata. growing international demands. >> liz, thanks. texas rangers have evened the world series thanks to extraordinary pitching

performance last night. 25-year-old derek holland of newark, ohio, silenced st. louis bats. only two hits through 8 1/3 innings and he got help as well from his catcher mike napoli who jacked a three-run shot in the sixth. the rangers beat the cardinals 4-0. it is now a three-game series. a revealing look at the late steve jobs. it happened last night.

steve kroft special with walter isaacson. >> he did more than 40 interviews with jobs. >> reporter: he had lots of flaws? >> very petulant and could be mean to people. he could just really just go at them and say you're doing this all wrong. it's horrible. you say why did you do that and why weren't you nicer? i said i really want to be with people who demand perfection and this is who him. >> in 2009 jobs secretly received a liver transplant after years of suffering from pancreatic cancer. he did an interview with jobs after that. >> reporter: what were the last two and a half years of his life like?

>> he talked to me about what happened when he got sick. he said he no one wanted to go out and no longer wanted to travel on the word. he focused on the products. he knew a couple of things he wanted to do which was the iphone and then the ipad. he had a few other visions. i think he would have loved to conquer television and would love to make an easy to use television set so he had those things, but he started focusing on his family again as well. it was a painful brutal struggle and he would talk to me often about the pain. >> joining is andy serwer. >> he was on the receiving ends of a number of steve jobs too. the latest issue of "fortune" on newsstands today finds an excerpt from walter isaacson's book. >> he wasn't as nice as you would think a guy that brilliant would be. we have heard over and over again he had this personality

but he didn't spare many, did he? >> the baggagest thing was making apple products and getting done what he needed to get done. if he had to be tough and a jerk quite frankly he would do that as well. the whole thing was creating new products. >> in this excerpt in "fortune" magazine it talks about one of the products he wanted to create was software, i guess the apple ii at the time and he called a bill gates and brings him down with a team of people and develops all of this software and later on, we get windows. what happened in that whole mess that went on between the two of them? >> the relationship between bill gates and steve jobs is one of the most important business relationships of our time and really pair universe twins born in 1955 and both dropped out of college and both computer majors. they got to know each other around 1980 working on software for apple which was the bigger

company at that particular time, of course. and what happened after awhile is that bill gates saw that steve jobs idea of software was better than his idea so he borrowed a lot of those ideas and incorporated them into windows which helped microsoft become more successful and eclipse apple and led to apple's decline temporarily for a number of years. steve jobs leaves the company and goes off into the wilderness and the relationship is complicated that way. >> he talks about this magical thinking he was brilliant enough he could overcome anything, anyone. almost this kind of air of invincibility. we learned last night on "60 minutes" he put off cancer surgery nine months. was that the thing he was so stubborn he thought he could overcome the cancer than having the surgery in a timely fashion like he should have? >> like he could see around corners but like any other human being, not always right.

he failed so far making apple tv. that didn't work out. his decision to postpone or seek alternative medicine treatments for his cancer turned out probably to be a very, very bad idea. and, you know, he couldn't be talked out of it. he was someone who was so sure of his opinions that sometimes it led him astray. >> we have about 30 seconds. anything you're learning, not just since his death, obviously, but things that are coming out of this biography that surprises you about him or his life? >> as he suggested early on, he took a lot of pop shots at people. he kind of went after the musician john mayer. he says if he continues to lead his life the way he is he is going to run into all kinds of problems. he had this very wide vision and interest in music, art, technology. if he decided to dip into something, he would go there and become very expert at it. it's a very broad look at really

an amazing man. >> great stuff. nice to have you here, andy. >> thank you. coming up, we will look at what dr. conrad's lawyers may do to plant doubt in the jurors' minds. this florida man was killed in a shark attack in australia. we will tell you more about him coming up. you're watching "the early show" on cbs. [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition?

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♪ look at that. >> welcome back to "the early show" on a monday morning. a beautiful picture to start your day. i'm erica hill along with chris wragge. >> a good-looking shot. a spot north of havana right there. get to that in a moment. >> yes, we will. late steve jobs was an intensely private man but when he did open up to her official b biographer, so did his family and we will give you more information on his family and you'll see family photos that have never been shown no public before as walter isaacson speaks with steve kroft. barry manilow has been fighting a serious heart problem but now speaking out and hoping

to bring attention to his illness to more than 2.5 million other americans. >> look forward to that. here is jeff glor at the news desk with a check of today's other headlines for us. >> you know what i learned yesterday? mandy used to be called brandy, the song. the manilow song until barry made it great. >> you know what i learned? chris wragge at one point sat in barry manilow's old office. >> at the broadcast center. >> excellent information on a monday morning. good morning, everyone. the search for survivors continues in turkey this morning after sunday's powerful earthquake there. it was a magnitude 7.2 quake centered in eastern turkey. it flattened mud brick homes and brought down high-rise buildings. at least 270 people are confirmed dead and the number is expected to rise. president obama heads west today and we have learned that in las vegas, he'll unveil a new plan to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. the president wants to make it

possible for many more americans to refinance. another big satellite has fallen to earth, the second in two months. pieces of the old german research satellite came down somewhere in southeast asia today. a large u.s. satellite fell from orbit into the pacific ocean last month. western caribbean, rina is building strength. the storm has winds of 40 miles an hour. currently centered near grand cayman island. it could bring

now the latest from the michael jackson manslaughter trial where the defense is specked to begin its case later today. will condr. rad murray's lawyers try to blame jackson for his death. joining us is jean casarez. let's talk about the strategy and how that would potentially back fire. this re potentially looking at blaming michael jackson for his own death? >> i think they have to put michael jackson front and center in this trial. the question was is this the trial of dr. conrad murray, the doctor for michael jackson, or is this the trial of michael jackson. i think under the law, they have to do that, because conrad murray, if believed as prosecutors have shown that he so grossly negligently cared for michael jackson, michael jackson had to do something to cause his own death. one of the first witnesses is going to be randy phillips and should be later today, the ceo

of aeg, the huge production company. i think what they are going to try through randy phillips is that michael jackson was desperate, he hadn't performed for a long time, he was panky. he knew he had to do this and knew he had to perform and start missing rehearsals and was desperate and what will a desperate man do? he'll do anything to be able to sleep and he did something in the early morning hours himself of june 5th, 2009. >> so much talk over the years that michael jackson had financial issues and this would be a big financial boom for michael jackson inspect is that something else they are thinking about bringing into this as well? first of all, will the judge allow michael jackson's finances to even be a part of this? >> that's and op-een-ended question. the judge says no at this point. the defense we think will mount a fight they want the aeg contract to get into the hands of randy phillips so he can testify about the finances to

become an issue before this jury. they would inadvertently through the back door show that michael jackson had the odds of making a lot of money and that only added to the pressure which then created a panic within him to perform and to take the propofol himself. >> there is talk if convicted, dr. conrad murray may not see any prison time because this is a nonviolent crime, is that correct? >> this is because of overcrowding in the california prison. it was determined that inmates are not getting adequate medical care because of the overcrowding. this is a nonviolent felony so, in fact, even if convicted, he could serve house arrest. >> jean casarez, thanks very much. up next we will meet a couple who adopted a little girl from guatemala and then ordered to give her back. this is "the early show" on cbs. to this. d when my asthma symptoms returned, my doctor prescribed dulera to help prevent them.

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daughter karen who was adopted from guatemala. >> when we got the information that we are your forever family, it was a great joy. >> reporter: last august, that notion of forever came under attack when the monahans found out a court order issued thousands of miles away. >> we saw a guatemalan court had supposedly overturned our adoption after three years. >> they learned a woman claimed forward claiming to be karen's birth mother and alleged her child had been kidnapped by human traffickers in 2007 and then illegally put up for adoption. in documents obtained by cbs news, a guatemalan judge ruled in the woman's favor saying the adoption was not authorized and that karen had been stolen and put up for adoption using fake documents. guatemalan officials have helped the u.s. government to help return karen to and leave the monahanas who don't speak

spanish with a lot of unanswered questions. >> a lot has happened and we don't know for sure but when we eventually came home, as far as we knew, we had a legal and -- adoption. >> reporter: an attorney for the monahansa says it has no jurisdiction in the united states. >> a court can reverse an adoption three years after the child has been adopted and finalized. it means that there can be no finality with any potential adoption. >> karen is still adjusting to life with her american family although her adopted parents believe guatemala is no longer a safe place for her, they hope no matter what she is allowed to live her life to its fullest potential. >> i think she is just such a gifted and caring and empathetic child that i look forward to her sharing those gifts. >> jennifer and tim monahan join us for their first tv interview.

we know how difficult this is. i think one of the take-aways no jurisdiction here in the united states. what does that then mean for karen and for you and for the adoption? >> we have been told that we have a legal adoption in the state of missouri, but it's very important to us, because we believe in ethical adoption that we continue to pursue the truth of our daughter's past. she had a lot of trauma in her early years. >> there a lot of discussion about dna testing and the reason this has come up in a shortened version is that a dna test was done initially and there was a match between the woman who says she is karen's birth mother and another child who was adopted. you don't believe that your daughter karen is that child who had that positive match with the woman who claims to be her mother. why not then do another dna test? it's a simple, nonintrusive swab

with a q-tip in her mouth. couldn't that help you in setting the record straight? >> we don't know what happened. we are working closely with authorities because there have been reports that another child was actually substituted in guatemala for the dna test that occurred. and we have been trying to get some of that information and data. and, apparently, there are a lot of unanswered questions. apparently, miss rodriguez, there is no question it's a tragic situation, she in her search for her daughter, has identified a number other children and undergone dna testing and if there was baby switching, then that could impact those dna tests as well and, apparently, that was one of the big ways corruption impacted the process in guatemala. >> but you don't want to do that dna test now to prove that this

is not, in fact, her child? >> we actually believe that dna testing is a very important part of the process, but, unfortunately, in guatemala, it's the only part of the process that it sort of holds preemence in guatemala. they use rights to declare karen, like we understand it, dna is sort of viewed as a title, and we strongly feel that karen isn't property and because she had a broken femur and a lot of physical and emotional injury, it's very important to us that there be due process and a full understanding and we know the whole truth, not just dna and that that be done in a safe context. >> what would you do and what would the contingency plan be if it is proven that karen is mrs. rodriguez's daughter, the one that she feels has been abducted?

>> it's really very difficult to say. we have been trying to work with authorities all through this process and, again, we are really trying to find the whole truth of the situation to make the best judgment on how to go forward. >> can you just tell us real quickly, how is karen doing with all of this? did she know what is going on? is she doing okay? >> well, it is difficult to explain to a 6-year-old girl why reporters have been pounding on your door or following you around town, but she is -- she has a lot of spunk and she has a lot of trust that we have built, so, you know, she's doing okay. >> thanks. >> thank you. we appreciate it very much. thank you very much. we will be right back. you're watching "the early show" on cbs.

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♪ welcome back to "the early show." i believe there is a little ice skating this morning in central park. >> are you kidding me? >> it's time. >> already? >> come on. thanksgiving is a month away. >> wow. got to start sharpening the skates. >> i look forward to it. >> triple lutz? >> chris is back with us this morning. good you're back. >> good to be back. two and a half million americans have a condition known as a-fib. it is a condition that barry

manilow has it. >> he will tell us how he keeps one of his songs to keep track of his heart. >> lola apparently was not a show girl after all. on serious note, the latest on the terrible earthquake in eastern turkey near the border with iran. the 7.2 magnitude quake hit on sunday. at least 270 people are dead and more than 1,000 injured. earlier i asked a journalist about the hard-hit damage there. >> reporter: there is still widespread panic in the main city that the earthquake struck yesterday and ever since yesterday, there has been more than a hundred aftershocks that jolted the region, so that's why most of the people, locals here, are outside and are actually afraid to go back to their apartments. they are warned to remain outside, either sleep in their cars or try to get a tent if

possible because, right now, it is not yet clear how bad the damage is. what you see behind me actually, you're going to see several emergency workers here trying to get a hold of -- trying to understand whether there are still people alive in that building that collapsed. it was a six-story building and we know that more than 40 families lived in that building and, yesterday, unfortunately, they rescued six people but three of them were dead. we heard there might be ten people who might still be alive and rescue workers are trying to reach them and, if possible, rescue them as soon as possible. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time for us this morning. moving over to libya now. this is the official little the first day of a newly liberated nation. the country's new leader has agreed to investigate the killing of moammar gadhafi and still so many questions about how that happened. cbs news correspondent elizabeth

palmer is in tripoli with the latest. liz, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. first of all, libyans are finally turning their attention to really practical things like getting the garbage collected and getting the oil back online after the extraordinary euphoria that came with the official declaration of national liberation. sunday was libya's victory bash. and the whole country was invited from benghazi where the uprising began to the capital tripoli. the interim leader called for tolerance and reassured this devoutly muslim population that libya's new laws would be rooted in islam. while the ruling government put on a united show in public, behind the scenes, there are disputes over what to do with gadhafi's body. it's back on grisly display for a third day in the old meat locker in misrata. the u.n. and several countries including the u.s. want an

investigation to determine whether he was executed. yesterday, a local fighting unit held a press conference with gadhafi's boots, golden gun, assault rifle, and satellite phone as props. they declared they had done their best to keep him alive after his capture. but new cell phone video keeps appearing suggesting otherwise. there is proof he was badly roughed up. and in this one, a rebel apparently on the scene indicates to the camera, here is the man who killed gadhafi. the autopsy only says that he died of a gunshot wound to the head. the libyan government has said it will investigate further but, of course, there is a possibility that if he was executed and his killer were identified, that person would become a national gyro and so impossible to prosecute. >> liz palmer in tripoli, thanks. here is jeff glor at the news desk with a check of today's other headlines for us. good morning. >> good morning to you. news here in las vegas

today, president obama will roll out new rules designed to help people refinance their mortgages. the refinance loans will have federal guarantees. the goals to help those with little or no equity avoid foreclosure. these rule changes do not require congressional approval. the state department has withdrawn the u.s. ambassador to syria robert ford. ford returned to washington this weekend because of what the department calls, quote, credible threats against his personal safety. u.s. forces in iraq are now trying to complete their withdrawal from the company by the end of this year, but a new report this morning is highly critical of an ongoing u.s. state department program for training iraqi police. the watchdog report from a special inspector general says the program lacks focus and warns it could become, quote, a bottomless pit for u.s. spending. it adds the iraqi government may not even want the training program. in sicily, one of the most world's active volcanoes is

erupting. dense clouds of ash forced a nearby airport to close down. time for w announcer: this portion of "the early show" sponsored by maxwell house. good to the last drop. we now have more of that "60 minutes" interview with walter isaacson whose late biography of steve jobs is coming out today.

>> he was known for keeping his private life intensely private is which some people are interested in this portion of his life. one part of the interview which was showed on "60 minutes" overtime steve kroft talks with isaacson about jobs and his wife and his children. >> do you have a picture of the family. the thing that struck me was i had never seen any of these pictures before. >> this is laurene and that is erin, reed, eve, and this is on their family vacation. >> reporter: i knew very little about his family life. i knew that he was vaguely that he was married. i didn't know anything about his wife. i didn't anyone anything about his kids. now, this is reed. >> his son. see, i'll show you a couple of other pictures of reed. that is reed. he's a student at stanford and after his father got cancer, he decided to study, you know, oncolo oncology. he worked in an oncology lab in stanford as a summer job. >> reporter: it was all very

personal and very intimate. >> reed adores his father. when i first was working on the book he came to see me and said let's talk a walk, like his father would have done. i know you'll hear stories about my dad being tough and brutal to people, but i want you to know that he really cares about the products and he wasn't just out to make money or to be a great businessman. erin actually called me too. she was 16 about six months ago. and i hadn't interviewed her. you know? she said i want you to interview me. i said have you talked to your mother? and i talked to laurene. she said, yeah, you can interview her. and she said i just want you to know that i understand that my father wasn't there all the time, he worked hard, but i appreciate what he did and i've come to accept the fact that he couldn't be there with me all the time. interesting. this is lisa. you know, the daughter from a previous relationship? >> reporter: uh-huh. >> for a while, it was very troubled, especially, of course, when he was not really taking

charge of paternity for her, but they became closer eventually. earlier this year, came back and had a nice long talk with him and then, of course, was there a few weeks ago, you know, when he was very sick and wasn't going to make it. >> reporter: i didn't know anything about the way he lived. and it speaks to the secrecy and the mysterious nature of this persona that jobs seemed to create. the secrecy about his business operations and especially the secrecy about his family life, private life. >> here is laurene. she really is, you know, just a wonderful person. that is them sitting in the backyard. this is him -- it's in his study, just a little study on the ground floor of palo alto and it sits on the street. sometimes you walk along the street and you see the back of his head there. he is working on things. there they are in the garden. >> reporter: it was like looking at a family album, you know?

wedding pictures. from 20 years ago. >> here is of the wedding and this is lisa. loo lisa was still living with her mother. >> reporter: how hold was steve when they got married? >> he was in his mid-30s, 34, 35. >> reporter: this is while he was at the time nex? >> and before he came back to apple. he had left apple in '85 and then met laurene at a talk he gave at the stanford business school, and they went out off and on for a year. usually any relationship with jobs can be somewhat tumultuous. he said to me, he said it was tough, but you eventually realize you've met the person, you know, who you're right to live with. this is steve's father paul jobs. the man who adopted him. now, remember, i had never seen paul jobs, and it was really

just a month or so ago when i was at the house and steve was going through pictures in the drawers and pointing to the drawers for me to look. he said, go oo look in that second drawer and you'll find my father. that is a picture of him which i loved which is him holding steve when steve was 1 year old. this was at their house in silicon valley. i said to him, your father must have been proud of you. and this is a month ago and jobs is lying there. he looks up at me and he said, "he was proud of me." and i think he was always realizing that this person had imparted upon him a craftsmanship and a love for doing things right and he always wanted to make paul jobs proud. >> it's just fascinating. fascinating interview last night and great there is more to it you can find like that "60 minutes" overtime and more online. still so much that we all want to learn about this man. >> going to be a great book and

a lot of people missing a lot of work this week while they are reading it. >> yes. i preordered it and downloaded it on my ipad. you can see more at our website cbsnews.com. up next, barry manilow touches the hearts of fans and now talking what is wrong with his own ticker. >> it's called atrial fibrillation and it affects millions of other americans and why is now speaking out about it. a click... or a clamp... you came together to vote, to share... to volunteer. and now, thanks to you, 10 communities have more to smile about... more to be proud of... and more to be grateful for. what's next? tell us on facebook, and together, we'll do more amazing things.

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tracy reports. >> 1-2-3 go! >> reporter: at an age when most people retire, barry manilow shows no signs of slowing down. ♪ >> reporter: he sold 80 million albums and performs hundreds of concerts a year to sold-out crowds but 15 years ago, he suffered an episode that changed his life. >> i was driving home. and my -- i felt my heart skip a beat. your heart is skipping a beat, doesn't sound like it's anything serious so i didn't pay much attention to it. then it went like this. and it got crazier and crazier. it felt like there was a fish flopping around in my chest. i was like this! i called my doctor and i said, what is this? he said come on in. and he knew exactly what it was. it was atrial fibrillation. i think it did scare me half a death because any time a doctor tells you that your heart, you know, really, my heart? something wrong with my heart? but he said not to worry about it, it's really good that you called us because that's what you got to do.

>> reporter: it occurs when the upper chambers of the heart beat faster than the lower chambers and causing an irregular racing heartbeat. since his diagnosis, manilow tells one of his biggest hits to tell him when his heart is beating to the right rhythm. >> your heart should feel like this. here is the beat of your heart. ♪ at the copa copacabana ♪ that is a regular heart beat. atrial fibrillation is like this and that is my version of rap! that is what it feels like, your shatter going crazy. ♪ you wouldn't believe where i've been ♪ >> i can't remember one time i've been on the stage where i felt that but i do remember i was scheduled to do a show with the boston pops on july fourth and i got up that morning and i felt it kicking. i went at about 11:00 to the

hospital and said this is a-fib and you're out of rhythm and we have to stop it which means the paddles and bang! they have to stop it somehow. and i did the show that night and nobody was the wiser. i take my medication and it calms down and i go on with my life, but when i can't stop it it, then they have to cardio vert you, clear! bang! and i can't tell you how many i've had of that. oh, my god. >> how many people i have met that have this condition, but a lot of them don't do anything about it. >> reporter: manilow has been hired to help launch a campaign to raise awareness about a-fib and he works closely with his cardiologist to keep his heart healthy. >> i didn't want want people to think he has this, he has heart. i'm okay because i take care of myself. i said don't worry about me. the reason i'm doing is because i'm worried about you and i'm worried about all of these people who have this and not taking care of themselves, so,

yeah, i'll take the responsibility of talking about it. my pleasure. i hope i can help somebody with this. >> reporter: ben tracy, cbs news, los angeles. here to tell us more about atrial fibula laigs rillation iy phillips. if left untreated what are the dangers of a-fi birb? >> it's a stroke opinion it's loble to clot and a clot could move up to the brain and cause a stroke. other concerns are heart failure. it causes the heart to work harder. the key is to get diagnosed early before any of these things become a concern. >> barry manilow said his treatment he use is that the standard or is it different for each person? >> he described that sort of shock shorks ack. that is called an electrocardio version they use a defibrillator to shock the heart back to

normal rhythms. there are other treatments. medications and surgery and implantable pacemaker and many people also just live with their atrial fibrillation and taking blood thinners is perfectly well. >> some of the symptoms barry talked about are they common? >> he described it spot on. heart plpgs aalpitations are th number one symptom. there is fatigue and dizziness and shortness of breath. if you feel anything, get to the doctor. >> good advice as always. holly, thanks for coming in. still ahead, much more to come. stay with us right here on "the early show." announcer: this portion of "the early show" sponsored by sponsored by advil congestion relief. the right relief for the real problem. congestion, and it's all your fault. naturally blame the mucus. he's funny. instead of blaming me, try this, advil congestion relief. often the real problem is swelling, not mucus.

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♪ welcome back to "the early show" here on a monday. i'm chris wragge along with erica hill. good to see you. >> nice to be here. >> my papers are all over the place. a mess on this monday morning. coming up a new drive to help you understand the food nutrition labels. critics say when you compare one food to another to decide which one is healthier the information could make your head spin. literally make your head spin.

>> i've seen it happen in the grocery store. >> it's a terrible sight and looked a study say there would be a new label and much easier. >> one could hope. that is ahead. also ahead, one of our favorite guests on "the early show." a guy who tries hard even though, in his words, sometimes the cake wins. billy gardell is a funny co-host of the hit show "mike and mol molly." and a popular name on the stand-up circuit. how his family life inspires his own comedy. >> two funny guys there. first, in this economy, food stamps have become a life line for millions of more than americas. the government is spending more than $70 billion on food stamps lo alone. >> people are buying and selling the benefits online. cbs news correspondent michelle miller has more. >> reporter: this is an illegal buy taking place in the parking

lot of a large store in washington state and caught on hidden cameras by the washington state department of health and social services fraud unit. >> we had received a lot of complaints about the easy accessibility of these cards. it wasn't just you go down on the corner. you could go on the web and make contact and try to make a purchase. >> reporter: the undercover agent on this video whose identity we cannot disclose is buying a card with $200 worth of food benefits on it and she is purchasing it for $100 and she found out about it on facebook. >> trafficking, what we call where people are selling their benefits on a craigslist or out in a parking lot is a violation of the program. >> reporter: the program, administered by the u.s. department of agriculture, is officially called the supplemental nutrition assistance program or snack and commonly known as food stamps. trafficking in them is not that

uncommon. >> on the average, we get a complaint every week. >> reporter: people post on facebook and craigslist offering deals. >> we have a person to monitor the web sites. >> reporter: we went online to find offers to buy and sell on craigsli craigslist. the usda is taking a stance. last year, the agency conducted up to 850,000 investigations. >> snack program violations and sent this letter to craziigslis in august. we were performed that sale at half price was being advertised. we continued to receive similar complaints this illegal actively is ongoing. it may be subject to criminal penalties. craigslist respond listing the sale of snap benefits as

prohibited and when we checked previous postings we had seen the site had been flagged for removal. >> in the years 2006 to 2008, we found that one cent out of every dollar in the program or 1% was being used to trafficking. >> reporter: more than 44 million americans currently get snap benefits. the number of people receiving them jumped by 3.9 million in the last year alone. >> i hear from people in one end of the country to the other, i never thought i would find myself in this circumstance. >> reporter: the assistance comes, however, in the form of an electronic benefit card and can only be used for food, which is why there's such a hot commodity and they can be sold for cash. >> this program is hard-fought, it's taxpayers-funded and it's been carefully thought out over the years, and i personally believe when people misuse it in that regard it becomes a threat to the 45 million people who are

playing by the rules. >> reporter: michelle miller, cbs news, new york. one reason it's hard to detect is the electronic benefit cards work like atm cards. you don't need an i.d. just a pin number. let's check in with jeff glor at the news desk with one final check of the headlines. >> good morning to everyone at home. turkey this morning, recovery continues after sunday's earthquake. the magnitude 7.2 quake was centered in eastern turkey. at least 270 people died. rescuers are struggling to find survivors this morning. many of whom are trapped in collapsed buildings. wikileaks is going silent at least for now. they say they will stop revealing secrets so it can focus on raising cash to survive. financial companies canceled wikileaks accounts last year, after it published u.s. secret diplomatic cables. fear in australia this morning after an american become the third person killed by a

gra great white shark in the same area in two months. george wainwright of panama city, florida, had moved to australia six months ago and diving alone off australia's southwest coast on saturday when he was attacked by the great white. a study raising concerns about bpa and found that girls born to women exposed to bpa during pregnancy may show adverse behavior by age 3. the study said boys don't seem to be affected. bpa is used in some plastic bottles and in coatings in metal food cans. finally, what may be the real bionic woman. amanda bodd tell was paralyzed by a skiing accident in 1982 but look. and walked again demonstrating a new xo skeleton device last week in

well, if you can't understand all of those nutritional labels at the supermarket, you're not alone. medical watchdog group is calling for a new standardized system that would help us make better conformed choices and here to look at the proposed changes is registered dietitian samantha heller. is it to confusing to people somebody had good sense to say let's make easier for everybody? >> that is part of it but a lot of information on the front of packages is confusing for consumers because a package can say high in fiber, a good course

of calcium and be high in saturday rated fat or sodium. consumers aren't sure what they are getting and it's very frustrating so the institute of medicine came out with something they are likening to the energy star appliance ratings except now they are applying it to food. they are looking at calories and then evaluating saturated and transfat, sodium, and added sugars. if you meet their criteria you get a check mark for each or a star. they are still working on this. a work in progress and food and nutrition is very complicated. >> you can see there on your screen what they are recommending. do you think the recommendations are realistic they are making? >> i do. i think we need a simple way to choose healthier foods in the store and making it easier for consumers. i teach a whole one-hour class on how to read a food label to people. they are confusing and it makes your head spin. easy way. front of the package, consumer can look at it and, boom, make their choices. >> one of the labels let's put

it back on the screen again. ra raisin cereal here. >> the reason it doesn't have the third check it's exceeding what the institute of medicine is putting together is their criteria for added sugar. >> we tee the two checks or one or two or three checks like you see there. you get the same listing of the nutrition nutritional-- >> it's just the back. the front is the square with the square or circle or stars. deciding which they want to use and the calories. >> as an expert in the field here, whether you see something like that do you think it's a great step forward this will help people? >> i think it will eventually. i think there are inherent problems because all foods are very different and what might happen is some foods will be left out and not get check marks that should and vice versa. >> is it a little too simple? is that what you're saying? we talk about labels being misleading. could this lead to another problem on the flip side? >> i think it could. for example, diet soda could

easily qualify for three checks but so does broccoli and i don't see them as equivalent and same token like nuts and olive oil may not get any checks when we know they are healthy for you. >> sfaswhat is the industry thos on this? >> they came out with the front of food facts up front but they are listing so many different numbers and things that that also is confused. and who -- no food company wants to get no checks and say don't buy me, i'm not healthy food. i think it's going to take time and it's going to be a process for the food manufacturers and the institute of medicine to work together to create these labels that are fair to everybody. the institute of medicine is trying to take everything into consideration. >> got it. like putting calories on fast food restaurants here in new york. >> does it help when you see the calories? does it work for you? >> it's definitely a deterrent. definitely. good to see you. thanks so much. 125 years ago, dr. john

pepper started selling coke in his drug for five cents a glass. they sell 1.7 billion beverages today around the world. neville isdell served as the ceo until 2009. he has a new book and he joins us this morning in the studio. nice to have you with us. >> nice to be here. >> you came out of retirement for that last stint? >> yes, i did. he don't normally call the old guys back, you know? >> but they called you back because they needed your help. they hit a rough patch. you turned around the business and the company morale. >> at the end of the day it's all about the people and all about how they feel about coming to work every day. now, translating that is difficult, but that is what it's all about. >> so it's interesting, because you actually called on a lot of

things in your background. you studied social work in college. how important was that in bringing that in to help turn things around in this company that you had done very well by before retirement and then you came back to lead again. >> the lesson i got from social work is you really can't tell people to do things. you have to make them change themselves. so i've always tried to manage in terms of getting the facts out there. obviously, leading in a certain direction. but also making sure i was getting commitment, because you can have compliance, but you really need commitment. >> it's interesting, because in a lot of ways, that plays into what we are facing as a nation now here in the united states in dealing with the economy. you can tell people things but you have to motivate them to do it on their own. anything from your 43 years at coca-cola you can immediately point to that you think would make a difference in this economy and helping to start the turnaround? >> i think you got to get people to understand how bad the situation really is. they see it in their everyday

lives and why people are camped out on wall street, okay? they see it, but, they still, i don't think, have realized they have to take a bit of pain in terms of getting it fixed. >> across the board. >> across the board. that's the way it is. i'm an irishman. you look at ireland. they have taken a lot of pain and the people have taken it because they were led in a way where they understood that unless they did that, the other alternative was not really palatable. >> does the leadship need to step up across the board, government, corporate america? >> it is always about leadership. and think that that is probably what is lacking in western europe. you know, they are wrestling with this right now. we will see who steps up, because if you go back to what happened with the financial crisis, people really only step up when they are very close to the -- and it's scary. >> yeah, it is.

there is also an important rivalry within coca-cola that may hold some lessons for the united states. and that is the rivalry between coke and pepsi, which you see as a very healthy thing. >> yeah. >> is it going too far to make the analogy between the u.s. and china being a bit like coke and pepsi? >> well, i think it's, obviously, different because you're dealing with, you know, real countries, real people, not just companies. but why i talk about pepsi being good and one of the former leaders, said if pepsi didn't exist, we would have to invent them, is because what you're doing through competition, you're increasing the size of the pie. and, to me, some of the debate that we have with china at the moment is how do we maintain our share and stop them getting more share. that's the wrong discussion. the discussion is how do we benefit from working together to enlarge the pie to grow the global economy, that's how you grow jobs. and instead of fighting about where they go, seeing how we enable ourselves to be able to

compete in all of the new areas and, therefore, increase our intellectual capital and through that be able to compete. it is about thinking about growing the pie, rather than very narrowly -- i want one of yours and it's a zero game. >> it's important to have the new way of thinking. we have to ask you i know it's a closely held secret and you couldn't reveal it, of course. 43 years at the company and they still won't tell you what the secret formula is? >> no. they wouldn't tell me the secret formula and i didn't even ask because i know the system and i know how closely it's held. >> how many people know the secret formula? >> i'm not even going to tell you that! >> all right. great to have you with us. thanks very much. >> thank you so much indeed. >> the book is "inside coca-cola." you can read an excerpt at cbsnews.com. ahead on the road to billy gard dell,

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billy gardell is a big talent in more than ways than one. he is making everybody break out on the "mike and molly" which is in its second season. >> and working hard in his other job of stand-up comedian. mo rocca caught up with him. >> reporter: it's clear that billy gard dell is having a blast. >> brother? >> come on. >> reporter: he is just getting used to all of the press attention. >> how many have you got? >> reporter: and all of the things you have to do as a tv star. we are talking our walk? you are a legitimate reporter? >> reporter: yes. >> reporter: it's a whole new experience. >> i love it. >> reporter: how many walk and talks have you done? >> this is my second so be jents. >> reporter: for a a guy who says if life were a football game he is at halftime. if you were doing the play-by-play. >> sloppy first half. down ten going into the locker room. but we're a second half team. it's okay. >> reporter: the 42-year-old

comic and actor spent more than 20 years doing stand-up on the road with some small parts here and there. >> i got my eyes on you! all the time! >> reporter: until he landed the role of a lifetime. >> molly. >> mike. >> reporter: a big heart and big boned cop named, what else? >> officer mike biggs. >> reporter: mike biggs on "mike and molly." >> would you like to go with me some time? >> that was pat thetic. >> i think people flock to the show, hey, these two aren't perfect but they are trying to get it together and i think that is a common thread that goes throughout this country. it's a very real thing. i panicked because i didn't want you to see me without my clothes on. >> i don't know if you've noticed this, but i'm not exactly perfect. >> reporter: you've trimmed down a little bit? >> i lost 25. i lost one chin. how come you get dessert and i

don't? >> this is breakfast. i had cottage cheese and fruit. you had a fried egg on a pop tart. >> reporter: what happens if you keep losing weight? >> i don't know. the executive of our show, mark roberts, has been really kind about that. look, do your path. get healthy. >> you want everything on it, big guy? >> walk away! walk away! as you go, we'll write that to your character because that is part of your character's journey. i'm doing the best i can g but as i said before, sometimes the cake wins. nothing you can do. >> large curly fries. >> reporter: while his plate is pretty full with his sitcom. >> welcome back. >> reporter: stand-up remains his first love. ♪ on tv where mike is sweet. >> do you want to watch tv today? >> reporter: billy can be down right salty. his act touches on everything from getting older to his

father's brand of parenting. >> you know how my dad cured a.d.d.? he would get an inch from your face and say "pay attention!" >> reporter: he mined comedy gold from his two favorite things. his wife patty. >> i'm happily married and i know that because my wife tells me. >> reporter: to his son will. having a kid, do you think it's made you funnier? >> absolutely. it's made my life less about me. his world is where i like to go when i'm not working, because he always has got a box with a half chewed piece of gum, a paper clip and a ball. when those are your priorities, you're not too uptight. >> reporter: he doesn't care about -- >> no, he could care less. not at all. >> reporter: you can bet he is watching his dad on tv along with a lot of other people. >> hold it right there. >> you want to go to jail? >> no, sir. >> then get over there and wash

your hands. >> reporter: "mike and molly" average 14 million viewers a week. >> how about what i said? >> did you say something? >> reporter: billy gardell says overall, he fels blessed. how do you thil the second half will go? >> so far, it will be great. we come out and scored. we got a show on cbs, a super hit sitcom with the best infant business and my stand-up career has been blessed because of mike and molly. >> where are my mike a and molly fans? >> my son is healthy and my wife is still here. what is there to complain about? thank you. from the bottom of my heart, thank you. >> mo rocca, cbs news. >> you can see "mike and molly" tonight at 9:30/8:30 central on cbs. >> his partner was here a few weeks ago. they are great and hysterical and even more reason to watch a show great in its own right but

when you know good people are behind it, it helps too. >> big guys are funny. he is a funny, funny guy. have wonderful [ screaming ]

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