good morning. angry penn state students swarm the campus's. long-time football coach joe paterno is fired in the wake of the football scandal. why federal investigators are now involved in the case. rick perry is ridiculed as he struggled to come up with the cabinet department he's vowed to cut. >> commerce, education and -- the, um -- >> you can't name the third one? >> i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> many inside the gop say he's done as a candidate. we'll ask the texas governor what happened and can he recover. eddie murphy sent a shockwave through hollywood after bowing out as host of the oscars with three months to go

to the big night. we'll tell you who may step in to replace him this thursday, we'll tell you who may step in to replace him this thursday, november 10, 2011. captioning funded by cbs good morning. there we are. welcome to "the early show" here on a thursday morning. i'm chris wragge. >> i'm betty nguyen. there is a lot of talk about the republican debate last night, especially rick perry's performance. we have all had brain freezes but not on that kind of stage. other candidates made news as well. we'll have the scoop in a few minutes including a conversation with governor perry himself. >> let's begin with the sudden end of an era at penn state university. just is it hours after joe paterno announced he would retire because of child sex abuse charges against his former top assistant the university fired him and the university president. >> the announcement sparked an angry protest by thousands of

students. we have the latest. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, betty. in the end the board of trustees determined it had to clean house and joe had to go, as well as university president graham spanier. [ chanting "joepa" ] >> reporter: shortly after 10:00 p.m. students jammed the downtown streets, knocking over light poles, throwing rocks at police. their anger fuelled by this announcement prosecute the penn state board of trustees. >> the board of trustees and graham spanier have decided effective immediately dr. spanier is no longer president of the university. in addition, joe paterno is no longer the head football coach effective immediately. [ shouting ] >> reporter: it was a unanimous vote by the board that officially ended paterno's legendary 46-year run as head coach.

he was replaced on an interim basis by defensive coordinator tom bradley. >> what was the driving reason behind the removal of coach paterno? >> in consideration of all the facts and the difficulties that we are encountering during this time it was the trustees' view that it was in the best long-term interest of our university to make that change. >> reporter: despite repeated requests the board vice chairman refused to say what the best interests were but made it clear the scandal had reached a point where drastic measures were needed. >> i would hope that everyone would agree that what we are doing is what we believe in our best judgment is in the best long-term interest of the university which is much larger than athletic programs. >> reporter: a source close to the family told cbs news the 84-year-old paterno, an icon of

coaching, was informed in a hand-delivered letter by a university official is a minutes prior to the conference. at home at his side with his wife at his side paterno thanked the supporters. >> one thing, thanks. pray for those victims. >> reporter: he said he was disappointed with the decision, but i have to accept it, adding to all of our fans and supporters, my family and i will be forever in your debt. according to a source close to the paterno family, coach paterno was stunned by the firing. the family's thinking going something like this, chris. you give your life to this place and this is how you're treated. >> state college, pennsylvania for us this morning. thank you. also in state college is a senior writer for sports illustrated. john, good morning. >> good morning. >> the gross negligence to examine the information at hand.

did the board have any other choice but to fire joe paterno? >> i don't think so. this has gotten to a point where as more people parsed apart the grand jury testimony and as public sentiment swayed against paterno, some ham-fisted damage control, well before yesterday it became clear where it was headed. joe paterno's statements to the contrary, the board had little choice but to make the choice they did. >> he said he didn't want the board to spend one minute thinking about his future. was itf was it wishful thinking for him to retire at the end of the season? >> joe paterno hired his own p.r. and you could see the gulf. absolutely. yesterday was a preemptive strike by paterno but clearly the board disregarded that. >> let's talk about the scene on campus. there was a collective gasp when

the announcement was read. on campus what was the reaction from the student body? >> it was dead, ten you had an announcement and then a flooding to the street. a couple thousand college students taking over the downtown. this has nothing to do with the allegations, the university losing its president. this was all an impromptu rally for joe paterno. some of it was just college kids expressing their frustration. some took it more seriously. one girl said, look, i have never lost my grandparents. this is as much grief as i have felt. they overturned a news truck. they really took to the streets and for a couple hours you had a mini riot here in state college. >> looks like the board is trying to clean house here, everyone associated with the scandal basically told to leave immediately. are more firings on the way -- mike mcqueary, by the way, who

is still an assistant with the team? >> yeah. i don't think we are done with it yet. i don't think the investigation is over. that was one surprise. that grad assistant, now a full assistant coach was not fired along with the university president and paterno. that was interesting. a lot of other people did, too. there is more to come here. we have lost four high-ranking officials. who knows who's coming next. >> and the big question will be what happens this saturday when you try to cram 105,000 people into happy valley for the game versus nebraska on saturday with no joe paterno on the sidelines. thanks for taking the time. we appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >> in our next hour we'll address the real victims of the story -- the young people that were abused. we'll talk to two former victims of abuse on how to break the chain of predation. now to politics. rick perry was the talk of the latest debate when he lost his

train of thought in the middle of an answer. >> it wasn't a trick question. he forgot a key part of his own campaign platform. dean reynolds is in rochester, michigan, with more on that this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, chris. last night's debate was supposed to be about the economy and for much of the evening it was. for a few moments, rick perry was undone in an excruciating way. never considered a great debater, the texas governor showed why last night. referring to the agencies he would eliminate if elected he suffered a classic brain freeze. >> it's three agencies that get there when i'm gone -- commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. commerce, education and the, um, uh -- >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the, um -- >> commerce. >> commerce.

and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. [ laughter ] >> oops. >> reporter: for the record he was thinking about the energy department. the pratt fall was a blessing for herman cain. he fielded only one question last night on alleged inappropriate behavior with female subordinates and he minimized the issue by claiming his supporters are still with him. >> and they will say they don't care about the character assassination. they care about leadership and getting this economy growing. >> reporter: mitt romney's vulnerability has been a reputation for switching positions. when he was confronted with several examples he brushed them aside. >> i think people understand that i'm a man of steadiness and constancy. >> reporter: instead romney spear headed a night of attacks on the president. >> the obama economy has crushed middle income americans. >> reporter: others followed

suit. >> president obama has had years and he's failed. >> reporter: everyone opposed bailouts. >> if you keep bailing people out you prolong the agony. >> reporter: and there was a sense that the news media are failing to do their jobs. >> it's sad that the media doesn't report accurately how the economy works. >> reporter: cain referred to former house speaker nancy pelosi as princess nancy. then aware that his regard for women has become an issue, later apologized for it. but that gaffe paled in comparison to perry's. after the debate perry came to tell reporters how glad he was that he wore his boots on stage last night because, as he put it, i sure stepped in it out there, unquote. i think we can all agree he sure did. chris? >> cbs's dean reynolds in

rochester, michigan, this morning. thank you. texas governor rick perry joins us from nearby bloomfield hills, michigan. good morning. >> good morning. >> with all due respect, what were you thinking last night, governor? >> i think i made an error last night. i stepped in it is what my wife would have said. she was correct. so all of us make mistakes. i'm a human being. and the issue here is that i had a lapse of memory. so many federal agencies were coming to mind that i forgot the one i was trying to think of which is obs tli energy department. >> it's understanding you would try to laugh it off but many people would argue running for president is no laughing matter. last night you just didn't look, in some people's eyes, very presidential. is that fair to say? >> well, every day i get up and try to lay out a vision for america. we talk about what's important

for americans as the governor of texas for the last decade, creating jobs is what's on people's mind. that's the seriousness of the issue. i admit i may not be the best debater, the smoothest politician on the stage. what i am is an individual of substance when it comes to creating an environment where jobs can be, in fact, the focus of the entrepreneur class out there that are creating those jobs that americans really need now. so we can talk about style over substance all we want. but americans are looking for someone that will truly give them hope that we can get this country back working again. it's the reason i laid out a flat tax plan this past week, a 20% past week given deductions for charitable contributions, mortgages, local taxes. 20% of that, send it in on a postcard and be done with it. end the irs. that's what americans are

looking for. >> i think you would be the first to admit it's the impression over people. you're more substance over style. doesn't your performance matter? there is a poll out this morning in ohio, pennsylvania and florida have you running at 5% now. these mistakes during the debates keep adding up. >> well, we are going to get up every day and go do our job which is to take our message to the people of this country. that's the most important thing on my radar screen. if anyone's looking for the perfect canada data, i may not be it, but i'm pretty sure the perfect candidate isn't made. i'm human. i understand that. but, again, getting back to the seriousness of what's facing america and laying out a plan that balances our budget by 2020, i'm the only candidate that's laid out a plan. i get up every day with my major goal is to share with americans how to make washington, d.c. as inconsequential in their lives

as i can make it. as a matter of fact they can go to rickperry.org today and pick out the federal agency they would most like to forget about. >> i give you all the credit in the world for trying to divert me. but i have to go back to last night. these are quotes from republican strategists. it was a political death knell. it was the human equivalent of the shuttle challenger. when you were on stage last night during this miscue, did you realize how big a mistake it was? >> any time you're standing in front of however many million people we were and you have a loss of train of thought, sure. it impacts you. but the fact is one error is not going to make or break a campaign. so we're going to keep talking about what's important to the people of this country and that's the substance of how to get americans back working again. >> one final question for you. your aides talked about you scaling back participation in future debates. after last night's performance do you feel the need to jump right in on cbs this coming

saturday night? will you be there for the debate? >> oh, absolutely. >> do you plan to continue to appear at the debates or will you scale back? >> i will be on south carolina saturday night. i don't know what my schedule is past that. >> thank you very much for taking the time. we appreciate it. we know it will be a rough day for you. we appreciate you facing the music this morning. >> absolutely. >> governor rick perry. >> looking forward to the debate. >> when you have a misstep like that you want to get right back on the field. he'll have a chance on cbs. >> terrell brown is here. >> stocks overseas went on a roller coaster ride. markets in europe were volatile with big swings in early trading. asian stocks saw a major sell-off. the hang seng plummeted more than 5%. dow futures are up after wall street suffered its worst day in seven weeks. the dow plunged 389 points

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welcome back to "the early show." i'm chris wragge along with betty nguyen. er rahil is off. >> good morning. >> we expected eddie murphy to be the host of the academy awards but it's getting serious. the oscars are now without a host. murphy has bowed out. >> and there is not a lot of time to replace him h. fans are floating a list of names online. everyone from billy crystal to -- get this -- the muppets. >> first britain's phone hacking scandal is back in the spotlight. rupert murdoch's son faces harsh questions in parliament. >> members want to know what he knew about reporters listening to private voicemails of public figures. we have more on this from london. good morning, charlie. >> reporter: good morning, betty. ever since the scandal broke over the summer the question is

when will it catch up to the murdochs. today, james murdoch is back on the defensive. it's the lawmakers versus the murdochs, round two. and the gloves are off. >> mr. murdoch you must be the first mafia boss in history who didn't know he was running a criminal enterprise. >> mr. watson, please. that's inappropriate. >> reporter: politicians called james murdoch back to face questions over what he knew of phone hacking at the news of the world newspaper which closed down because of the scandal. it's been a tough week already. the company admitted paying a private detective to spy on lawyers of phone hacking victims presumably to dig up dirt and make them think twice before pursuing their cases. former policeman derek webb said he spied on tom watson. turns out this is nothing new. webb said he routinely followed princes william and harry, kate

middleton and other celebrities. the more pressing matter today is james murdoch's survival. he's repeatedly insisted he had no idea hacking was widespread at the news of the world. new documentation released since his first round of testing in july casts doubt on his version of events. in short, interrogators want to know if he lied to them. >> i was not aware. >> this is the most humble day of my life. >> reporter: this time james came without his father murdoch who took a cream pie in the face from a protester despite the best efforts of his wife wendy who was a good step ahead of security officers. with suggestions top executives knew three years ago that hacking was widespread and they discussed it directly with james murdoch, he could use a protection force of his own. rupert and james murdoch apologized repeatedly over the scandal. james did so again today on behalf of the company. apologies may not be enough this time around.

chris? >> charlie, thank you so much. also in london this morning, is a former executive, journalist and talk show host nick ferrari. >> hi, chris. >> how is james murdoch handling the question? >> if his father got hit with a custard pie james is being battered by the questioning. the mps are angry. they believe they have been misled or lied. they have had four months of other executives coming forward giving evidence contrary to what james said. >> in your estimation does anyone believe james murdoch had no idea of the hacking? >> it's a small club if they do. as they go through the testimony from the other executives he seems to beboxed in a corner. many people thought he'd come today with a different game plan. what can he say? he said he's known nothing. difficult to go back on that now. >> why wasn't rupert murdoch brought back? not because of the pie incident,

was it? >> no. it's the belief that rupert murdoch sits at a higher level in the company. james murdoch runs the british end of it. he's the chief executive of british news international. rupert murdoch is in australia, the u.s., the uk. the mps were happy. they believe they got what they needed from him. there was nothing more required. >> i want to ask you about the hacking scandal and what it's done to the murdoch name in great britain. how has the perception of the family changed now, this media conglomerate. >> i would say we might be seeing history in the making behind me now. it is possibly the destruction of a dynasty that goes back to a couple of newspaper titles in australia 60 years ago that rupert inherited from his father he built into an empire from magazines to movies, tv to newspaper titles. he had the lot. this guy, james, was meant to be the heir apparent, the son. everybody accepted it. now he's fighting not just for his political and professional life here.

he's fighting for the opportunity to run the company. >> some new allegations brought forth yesterday by the police officer derek webb about the claims that basically p.i.s were paid to spy on royals and other celebrities. how are new claims treated? is it another shoe to drop or is it causing outrage? >> it is another shoe to drop. you have to go back four or five months ago, chris. this is when it was discovered that the news of the world had agents working for them that were tuning into the messages of a missing schoolgirl who was found murdered. it is thought the police could have benefitted from listening to that, rather than journalists. it would be hard to find a story that would cause that level of outrage. it adds to the picture of seediness. >> the bar was set low there. thank you, nick. >> thank you. >> it's 35

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smartphones, tvs and tablets. take a look. what we did was take over a cool art gallery in new york city to turn it into a tech playland, but with a real purpose. that's to let folks get their hands on the latest technology. let's look at smartphones. the horse race is simple. iphone versus android right now. the iphone 4s just came out. it's outstanding. this has a camera built in, this little thing. it takes pictures so good i would prefer this than a $400 or $500 compact pocket camera. the androids are outselling the iphone now which people don't realize. they have much bigger screens in almost every case. the amount of real estate there is fundamentally different. if you want a real keyboard with actual keys, go android. iphone, $200 to $400. the android guys are up to $299 at the most.

when it comes to tablets, this is different from the smartphone world where the iphone has serious competition. there isn't serious competition for the ipad yet. what's coming which is interesting to watch in a week we have new tablets from amazon do and barnes and noble. amazon has the kindle fire, a seven-inch tablet with simpler technology in it. you're going to find the barnes & noble nook tablet in the $249 range. it leans more on having better specs which i don't think consumers are as excited about this season. the biggest screen that's cool for the holidays is good old television, but connected tv. all it means is you use your existing home broad band connection, cable, dsl, whatever, to screen full-screen television to your tv. tvs are always the perennial around the holiday because they are the tech gift you can give a family. everything else is personal in many cases. three choices to make on a tv.

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half the price or less of the least expensive ipad. that's the first thing on consumers' minds. smaller. seven inch versus ten inch. that's a good-sized device. you won't pocket that. >> no. but you will pocket the phones that are out. i was surprised that the android is outselling the iphone. >> it is. a lot of folks don't realize it. there are so many android models. we have three here. versus two models of iphones and the android are on every carrier. smartphones all do the same thing basically. find one that works for you. >> good information. >> up next here, eddie murphy quits as host of the os kars. who will he trade places with? >> the lates holwood chaos. this is "the early show" on cbs.

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now to a real hollywood drama. one year after the academy awards producer was forced to quit, now the host is gone as

well. >> eddie murphy gave up the job leaving the program up in the air. bill whitaker has more. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: oscar night, hollywood's biggest, with the whole world watching the whole spectacle is precisely orchestrated, nothing left to chance. so when eddie murphy, the host of the show bowed out after his friend producer brett ratner resigned, chaos. >> there is an image of turmoil around the oscar telecast and the academy of motion picture arts & sciences needs to stabilize that. >> how is that right if you made it out of legos. >> the dimensions are accurate. >> might as well use tinker toys. who is this -- webster? >> reporter: the oscars tapped eddie murphy and ratner hoping they would bring their chemistry sto the sometimes stodgy os kars. but with ratner they got more edge than they bargained for.

at a screening for "tower heist" he made a gay slur. he apologized. >> i'm looking forward to the experience. >> reporter: as for murphy it would have been a chance to show a new generation the kind of comedy that made him famous in the 1980s. but losing ratner, his friend and producer -- >> it is an amazing platform, but it's also a very high risk tightrope act to be the host of the os kars. if you're eddie murphy, you've got a lot to lose. >> reporter: brian grazer stepped in yesterday to save the telecast. now he's scrambling to find a host because this show must go on. bill whittaker, cbs news, hollywood. >> the oscars are handed out february 26th. the new producing team has less than four months to sort it out. >> not a lot of time. >> brian grazer, one of the best. this is a guy with the midas touch. hopefully they can formulate something. you can always go to billy

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welcome back to "the early show" dealing with a little -- >> fog out there. >> a little fog. a little marine layer in new york city this morning. welcome back to "the early show." top of the hour. i'm chris wragge along with betty nguyen. >> good morning. >> erica hill is off. good to have you here this morning. we start with campaign 2012 where most of the recent news has been about herman cain. >> national correspondent dean reynolds was there and joins us from rochester, michigan. good morning, dean. >> reporter: good morning, betty. to say rick perry had an off night would be an under statement. his past debate performances have been criticized, but this one here will be hard to live down. in a rambling discussion about government spending, perry referred to the agencies he would eliminate if elected -- or

at least he tried to. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone -- commerce, education and the, uh, what's the third one there? let's see. commerce, education and, uh, the, uh -- >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with education, uh, the, um -- >> commerce. >> and let's see. >> oh, my. >> the third one i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> reporter: minutes later he explained he was thinking of the energy department but the damage was done. that was a great relief to herman cain who's tried for days to weather a controversy over inappropriate behavior with female subordinates. he got only one question on the topic and buried it by claiming his supporters are still with

him. >> they will say they don't care about character assassination. they care about leadership and getting the economy going. >> reporter: economic questions dominated. there were repeated attacks on president obama's stewardship. >> the obama economy has crushed middle income americans. >> reporter: there were vows to repeal the national health care law, a belief that easing regulations would help the housing market and a sense that the news media are failing to do their jobs. >> it's sad that the news media doesn't report accurately how the economy works. >> reporter: as for perry, he told reporters later that, quote, i really stepped in it. now, perry will have a chance to repair the damage this saturday during a debate on foreign policy at spartanburg, south carolina, a debate hosted by cbs news. betty? >> i'm going to take it, dean. dean reynolds in rochester, michigan, for us. thank you so much. joining us to talk more about the gop republican race is jim demint of south carolina.

senator, good to have you here this morning. good morning. >> thank you, chris. good to be with you. >> you have heard and i'm sure you saw last night a cringe worthy moment by the texas governor who admitted afterward that is he stepped in it. some call it the worst debate effort in the history of debates. did you cringe when you saw it? what did you make of the moment? >> yes, i did. chris, normally that would not be a problem. obviously it had some problems in previous debates but collectively the candidates were putting the right issues on the table for the economy and jobs. i think they were focused on the problems that obama had with really understanding and promoting a free market economy. i thought the debate was good and the candidates didn't go after each other like we had seen in the past. it made a good impression on me overall. >> did it trouble you that all the talk today will be on the gaffe by governor perry, not

necessarily the message and the good parts of the debate you mention spmd it is a problem. we need to stay on message. the last week has not been good to focus on jobs and economic growth. i thought we heard a good message out of our candidates last night. so i think when we get to saturday with the cbs debate and near my hometown that we'll see the candidates have a chance to talk in more detail about foreign policy, big issues. i think it's starting to make our candidates look good. >> we do appreciate the great state of south carolina hosting us this week. let me ask you. when you see the candidates on stage last night and you see their performance, if you had to pick one that you would put up against president obama in a debate setting now, who would you choose? >> there are several of them. i think i would have to say last night newt gingrich, mitt romney excelled in a lot of ways. they had real clarity of vision and policies. i think this has changed week to

week. we may see some different standouts on saturday. i have decided not to endorse and focus on the senate conservatives' plan. it's important that we have a senate that can work with our next president and who understands free market economics. we need a good senate. that's where i'm going to focus my time. >> unlike 2007 when you did endorse mitt romney you said a moment ago you are not endorsing a candidate at this point. some people may say, maybe you are dissatisfied with the current choice s. that the case or do you want to sit back? >> no. it's really the opposite. we have three or four candidates now vying for the top position. they are all good. they have great qualifications. the grassroots conservatives around the country have not selected a canada data. i don't want to weigh into the fray and divide my attention from what i'm doing with the senate conservatives fund. i need 100% of conservatives helping us to elect josh

mendell, ted cruz, don stinburg and others we are trying to get into the senate. >> there was a mistake governor perry made last night and a number of people say, that's it, that's the final nail in perry's coffin. do you think that's the case? >> well, it wasn't good. but i don't want to pronounce the end of his campaign at this point. i just think we saw some other standouts and there is still time for the candidates to change positions. i'm not talking about policy positions, but position in the race. so i'm going to sit back and watch. i want to encourage the candidates to take stronger positions about what we need to do at the federal level to cut spending and reduce the role of the federal government in our economy and our culture. >> we have to get on message. time is running out. senator demint, thank you. and again thanks for hosting us on saturday. the next republican debate presented by cbs news and national journal saturday at

8:00 eastern on cbs. >> we have more on the child abuse scandal that led to last night's firing of legendary football coach joe paterno which touched off a massive protest on campus by 2,000 students. authorities say the case against former paterno assistant jerry sandusky follows a similar pattern. adults in positions of power exploiting children after gaining their trust. >> what do we need to do to break the cycle and protect our kids? david clohessy of "snap" and former hockey star theo whose book "playing with fire" details sexual abuse by a coach. you were abused by your trusted hockey coach for a number of years. how were you able to deal with that? >> well, not very well. you know, i went down a path of

a lot of self-destruction. became an alcoholic, drug addict. you know, had a lot of relationship problems, relationship issues. so it was a difficult time in my life. but really happy where i'm at today. >> how long did it take you to finally come around to telling someone in order to get the help you needed? >> probably about 27 years. >> what finally led you to, i guess, seek help? >> well, i was just really sick and tired and fed up. i was carrying around a secret for a long, long time. you know, i really wasn't functioning as a human being at that point in my life. you know, had a great conversation with god on a particular night and that was about, you know, six years ago. from that day forward, my life

has been fantastic and now to be an advocate for children and, you know, keeping children safe and spreading the message and not only that, you know, i honestly believe if you have just a little bit of hope left you can really make a lot of great strides in your life. you know, i'm finally at the place in my life where i have peace and happiness. you know, it's been really an incredible journey. >> absolutely. i want to turn to you, david. a lot of times we see cases like this especially with the educational institution. it's similar to priests abusing children as well. how long does it go on and why does it go on for so long? >> well, sadly, abuse can go on for years with even one victim. i think there are two key factors. first of all, we have to remember child predators are cunning, shrewd, manipulative and also very warm, outgoing. they are lovable people because

if they weren't, no kid would want to be with them and no parent would trust them. every institution has a temptation to try to police itself. that's wrong, inappropriate. it can't be done. >> is penn state doing enough by firing paterno, firing the president. is this enough? >> absolutely not. it's a good first step. heads must roll when adults conceal child sex crimes but there is clearly a culture at the school of secrecy and self-preservation. that's got to change. it will be a long-term process. for starters they have to educate staff and students about how to respond appropriately. these rallies on behalf of the accused wrong-doer. >> what kind of message does that send? >> it's a terrible message. there is a criminal investigation going on and the staff and students have to reach out to anybody who saw, suspected or suffered abuse by sandusky or others. but to rally publically around alleged wrong-doers scares the

dickens out of victims and keeps them trapped in silence. >> theo, when you hear stories like this not only with your case but with jerry sandusky these are trusted figures in the locker room and the community. how do parents make sure they can trust the coaches whether it is a priest, whether it is a coach, that the parents can trust the adults their kids spend so much time with? >> well, i think, you know, it's really a tough situation. you know, when you drop your kids off at activities today, you know, it's not a babysitting service anymore. you really have to make sure you're there. make sure you observe and make sure your children are never, ever left alone in a one on one situation with any coach or any manager or anybody at all. and this whole thing about this penn state thing is nobody's

really talking about the victims. everybody's talking about sandusky and everybody's talking about joe paterno and, you know, what's the university going to do for these boys? i'm sure they have a psychology and psychiatry faculty where they can draw on those resources and get these boys the help they need. you know, this is -- you know, it took me 27 years to come to a place of, you know, being comfortable in my own skin again. and, you know, my wish is that, you know, somebody takes the bull by the horns here and reaches out to these boys that, you know, have gone through what they have gone through. >> thank you very much for talking with us this morning. always good to talk with you. david clohessy, good to talk with you as well. theo brings up a tremendous point lost in the translation here. it's not about penn state, joe paterno, football, the president and these people. it is about the kids and penn state's problems are just beginning because it is all about the victims involved here. coming up next, as our

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she was a high school graduate who wanted to get into modeling and acting. >> you know, she was absolutely precious to me. >> reporter: john had just come back from iraq after serving more than a year. he came home shattered, physically and emotionally. he'd been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder. john's brother mike. >> people asked me how john was. it was kind of like, i don't know. i don't know how john is because john's not here anymore. it's somebody else. >> reporter: two months after being medically discharged from the army, john did the unthinkable. orange county prosecutor steve mcgray vi. >> jackie was beaten to death. it was a bloody scene. the pictures show a scene that, you know, most people would think it's a quentin tarentino movie. >> reporter: john beat jackie to death with his bare hands. john said something inside him snapped.

>> i see it as complete chaos. complete insanity. i see myself being uncontrollable. turning into an animal. i never wanted this this to happen. i was trained to kill. i come home. i can't adjust to the regular civilian lifestyle. i spun out of control. i needed help. >> you can't let sympathy affect the administration of justice. simply because someone is serving your country, you can't use that as an excuse or a pass on unlawful criminal conduct. >> unfortunately with the way i was trained, you know, to react to threats is to neutralize threats. even with someone i love. >> troi robey roberts is with u.

this is a horrific killing. john said, "i just couldn't adjust when i came home." how sick was he? >> there was no history of criminality or violence before he went to war. when he came back there were frequent explosions of anger and frightening flashbacks. his father said many times they would find john stripped naked in the fetal position in the corner of the house in an altered house and it would take forever for him to snap out of it. he was on medications and none worked for him. >> we heard for years about post traumatic stress disorder being something so many young men and women return to the states with after spending time in iraq and afghanistan. has it been used as a defense for murder? >> yes. three years ago an iraq veteran living in oregon killed an unarmed man. he claimed ptsd defense. the jury found him guilty but insane. he was sentenced to a state hospital. >> very interesting. >> thank you so much. you can see the entire report on

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welcome back to the early show. i'm chris wragge along with betty nguyen. erica hill has the day off. coming up, an interesting look at today's young adults. call them generation y or millennials. whatever they want to be called. they think the internet is a necessity in life like air or water. now they couldn't live without it. they believe internet access is more important than a car or significant other. take a look at that, folks. we'll take a look at this mindset. >> completely different mindset. also ahead if being a woman can hurt you when shopping for health insurance. many insurance companies routinely deny women coverage or charge them higher premiums than men. we'll help you fight back. first we want to welcome back a former colleague who nearly died covering the iraq war. five years ago kimberly dozier

and her team were reporting in baghdad when a car bomb exploded killing four people including her camera man paul douglas and her sound man james brolin. >> after a long rehabilitation she returned to work. she writes about the experience in "breathing the fire" which was reissued in paperback. thanks for being with us. >> great to be here. >> especially going through what you experienced a lot of people would say, there is no way i'm going back to where it happened. you did. why? >> i know a lot of troops who feel the same way. you need to go back to go back to your mission. it's not the adrenaline rush of being in a war zone. it is being with your team, whether it's reporters or diplomats or troops. the people to your left and your right that you rely on in a situation like that. >> is it a sense of normalcy for you then? >> normalcy and just the car bomb didn't stop my way of life. it didn't stop what i spent years building. i have been back.

i go back regularly now. it was hairy the first couple times. >> what was it like the first time going back? >> when you drove down baghdad's airport road or in kabul when general petraeus flew me around it was like, all right, we're back in the red zone. something could happen. but after i got past the initial surge of fear i was back home and the people there were like, hey, welcome back. what took you so long? >> how were you able to channel the fear and use it as a strength and not only write the book but relive the memories. like we mentioned people died and you came close to losing your life as well. the people who died were close to you. >> they were very close. part of why i wrote the book and wanted to go to the field was to pay it forward for them. i'm hear for a reason. i want to set an example. i know a lot of troops come back to the states and find we in the media have done a great job telling the story of troops who

need help and not a great job telling the story of troops who come back with more resilience, more strength, more wisdom because they were tested by fire in the field. i'm a loudmouth. i can stand up and talk about it. yes, i have been through trauma, through war. i'm a better reporter for it. i hope i'm a better person for it. this is why i keep trying to tell the story. >> do you feel you have a unique perspective because of what you have been through when you tell the stories of what some of the men and women are dealing with when they come back? >> i listen more, but i also went through a lot of what they go through when they come back and find people are fearful of them. they wonder, do you have post traumatic stress disorder not, hey, you've got post traumatic growth, as it's called. people who were tested in the field. they have been through things other meshes can't imagine. these are the people you want on your team. instead we find veteran

unemployment is higher than regular rates, up to 30% in some states. i want to get the message out. this should not be what you think of when you see a veteran. you should think, wow, this person knows more than anybody else i can hire. >> that's a question that i think is on the mind of lots of people, too. it's bothered me and other people. one of your nation's big failings is how we are not there for these kids when they come back. the unemployment, the homelessness rate of iraq and afghanistan vet is rans. do you think this country has not done a great job for its veterans? >> i think they don't know them yet. fewer than 1% of this country serves in uniform. it's an alien culture. people will thank a veteran but won't hire a veteran. that's also why i brought the book out. profits go to wounded warrior charities to try to bridge the gap between the public and the people who have been fighting for them in the field. >> there is a lot of help needed indeed. thanks for bringing the

spotlight on this. we appreciate you telling your story. >> thank you. >> you can read an excerpt from "breathing the fire" oh at theerlyshow.cbsnews.com. >> we have a check on the headlines. good morning. >> a new survey finds the number of homes in foreclosure jumped dramatically last month. according to reality track, foreclosures shot up 10%. nearly 78,000 properties received an initial default notice. the biggest were in florida, pennsylvania and indiana. the number of homes scheduled to be auctioned or repo sesd also increased. floyd landis was accused of hacking into the computers of a french doping lab. he was stripped of his 2006 tour du france victory. landis was given a 12-month suspended sentence. in london james murdoch faced a second grilling on

britain's phone hacking scandal. lawmakers asked murdoch if he was aware of the hacking practices. >> did you mislead this committee in your original testimony? >> no, i did not. and where i haven't had direct knowledge in the past, since i testified to you last time i have gone and tried to seek answers and find out what happened and where the evidence is and what's there. that's what i'm here to do. >> murdoch today claims subordinates kept him in the dark about the phone hacking at the newspaper. a 15-cent fee added to christmas trees got axed. the trees wanted the money for a new marketing campaign. republicans called it a grinch tax. the white house decided to scrap

think about this. in 37 states it's legal to deny women health insurance simply because they are women. according to prevention magazine 95% of companies that practice gender rating were rated denials. >> dr. holly phillips is here. being a female reading this not only was frustrating but shocking. diane, let me start with you. your report, you say women can pay up to 84% more than men when it come -- >> that's right. >> why is that? >> it's shocking.

it's called gender rating. women pay more. it's because women actually are using health care services more frequently. we at prevention feel women should be rewarded and applauded for using health care services. >> yes. helps you catch disease ahead of time so there is less cost for treatment. >> it sure does. not only is this practice legal and rampant. we think it's outrajs for that reason. it lowers health care costs for the whole system. lots of body parts, so little time. but it actually saves lives. at prevention that's what we think is important. >> when you investigate this, are those the explanations you're given? well, women use their medical benefits more. >> health insurance companies don't have to tell you why you are denied. when you ask them the health insurance companies don't apologize. they say it's good business practice. >> how does it affect the

patient on that end of this? >> that's the irony. really the more you see the doctor, women tend to see the doctor earlier and at younger ages so they have prevention, early detection and early treatment which ironically save it is insurer money. the insurer should want people to get into the doctor early. >> having a quadruple bypass is more expensive than it is to go every year. >> and certainly almost all cancers if caught in stage 1, it is a fraction of the cost to treat someone than if you wait until stage 4. >> are you surprised this is legal. >> we are. everybody we tell is shocked. they can't believe it's america in 2011. in fact, if you go back to the '60s, health insurance companies self-regulated. they used to charge more based on race. they don't anymore. we at prevention believe health insurance companies should step up and change practices now. >> what has the response been? i know you mentioned in the '60s. how long has this been going on where you have seen 84% more.

this is a drastic increase. >> more americans are at risk as a companies charge more and people are out of work. you have to have individual health insurance policies. >> what do the companies say when you approach them? what did you think the response would be? >> i think the way to approach companies is to know that you are the person with the power. you can shop around. you can take your money else whethe where. that forces companies to be competitive. if you threaten to take your business elsewhere they will more likely capitulate and do something for you. >> you have to know if you are in one of 13 states where it is illegal to do gender rating and you feel you were denied or charged more you can go to the health insurance state commission to make a case. you want group coverage as much as possible. if you had health insurance, you don't, make sure you're on your partner, your husband's group plan. some trades and professions have group plans if you're a lawyer, teacher or mechanic. you know, lastly the affordable

health care act goes into effect in 2014. between now and then this can happen to you. let your state representative know that you want that act not to be taken apart. there is political opposition to it. >> do a little homework. make sure you are protected. >> there are no guarantees. thank you very much. we appreciate it. okay. the men and women of each generation are remembered for how they changed society. baby boomers had free love and civil rights. generation x had the dot com bubble. >> today's youth's defining characteristic is "just google it." the online world is incredibly important to them. >> reporter: millennials, also known as general united nations y. they rely on technology more than any generation before themment. >> google is a verb now. go google it. >> reporter: the internet isn't just a necessity, it's second

nature. >> it's organic to them. it's their first language, as natural to them as eating and breathing. >> reporter: 55% claim they couldn't live without it. >> i would rather go with internet than have heat, i think. >> reporter: really? >> a warm coat and internet access the great. >> i know a lot of people that probably wouldn't be happy without the internet. it's shaped who we are as a generation. >> reporter: the same goes for the smartphone. if you had to lose your wallet or your smartphone which would you choose to lose? >> oh, yikes. >> i would choose to lose my wallet. >> reporter: really? >> why's that? >> you can use your smartphone to cancel your credit cards. >> it's password protected. i can go to my ipad, track it with the gps inside. >> reporter: plugging in may be holding them back. >> this is the most privileged, overscheduled, inactive generation physically we have seen. >> reporter: only 25% of

american teenagers held summer jobs this year, the lowest percentage ever recorded. according to census data the number of young adults living with parents is up 5% since 2005. >> it seems there is a time before i was born when you turned 18 and you were out of the house. that's completely different now. >> as a generation, we are more dependent on external factors like the internet and our parents. cloud has a silver lining. >> they know how to connect with people, work the world, how to access information more quickly than any other generation in human history. >> it's a click of the mouse away. is it easy or lazy? >> reporter: cbs news, new york. >> so much to talk about here. joining us is the man known as the gen-y guy, author of "y-size your business." good to have you with us, jason. >> thanks for having me back. >> millennials, let's understand

this. >> careful. i wish i was. >> i want to talk about a study. 56% of current college students won't accept a job from a company that bans social media. 60% say they have the right to work remotely with a flexible schedule and one of three students prioritize social media, access and devices over salary. as someone who deals with the generation y people all the time, when you see the numbers do you want to say, hey, come on. get real. >> i know their parents feel that way. this is what's interesting. when we interview them they would rather be unemployed than take a job they think is beneath them. this is a shock. 20 years ago if mom or dad said, get a job, you got a job. we're like, i can't work today. it's friday. it's a different mindset. and to use technology as a reason not to get a job is another manifestation of this. >> or turn down a job.

what are businesses doing? are they saying, forget it, we don't need you anyway. >> it's mixed. if the talent is high tech, engineering, there is a workforce shorttaj that's overlooked. we have the highest number of job postings in three years since before the recession. these highly skilled industries are really looking for millennials and gen-y. they say, we'll give you the smartphone, work from home, bring your mom, that's fine! you'll be here on time. they are recruiting differently, making more level organizations and giving the millennials a chance to make a difference from day one. that's what we want more than title or money. >> the gen-yers aren't lazy, but they have a different mentality. they are highly skilled. >> some of them are lazy. >> let's not go over board. >> i have a lot of friends that haven't woken up yet. don't get me wrong. >> it is 8:45. >> they do have a different work preference. that means -- like yesterday i

spoke to ceos. they said, jason, your generation is great. they don't show up on time but they stay up late. at 2:00 a.m. they are sending e-mails. >> they are working. >> we work differently. people want us to work the way they work and it doesn't fit this generation. >> do a lot of companies say, look, we are not willing to warm up to these trends and does that hurt kids trying to get jobs? >> it does. in fact, if i were to coach again-y millennials i would say, get a job now. if you stay unemployed after high school or college graduation for a year, two, three it's harder to reenter the work force. take the job you can get now and get the experience. build your network. do things to give you options rather than saying, i'm 28. i need to be a manager first. never worked anywhere, but i have to be in management. >> you have to take into account mom and dad will kick you out of the house so you have to get a job. >> it's not happening. when we interview parents and say, when are you going to get

your kids to leave, the average response was the age of 30. >> maybe that's the problem. parents, get them out of the house. >> you know, if my parents could have got me out at 16 i would have been out. >> that's a different story. >> i remember that conversation. don't even think about coming home, christian. up next, if you're planning to go to the white house don't expect freebies. why the president is cutting back. this is "the e

well, everybody loves free stuff. it's the best price in town, as they say. the government gives away a lot of it paid for my bi taxpayers. >> the president said it's time to cut down on swag. as bill plantee sh shows us. good morning. >> reporter: if you visit any government office you may walk out with a bit of commemorative

swag like a frosty mug courtesy of the federal prison in louisburg, pennsylvania, presumably not for inmates. now the president has decreed, no more t-shirts, mugs, pens, anything like that. he's cracking down on wasteful spending. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: even the president has gotten government sbwag now and then like this cap given to him by robert muller on his first visit to the fbi in 2009. now with the federal government mired in debt, the president has stepped up with a modest contribution, an executive order to cut $4 billion in government waste. >> we thought it was entirely appropriate for our governments and agencies to try to root out waste, large and small, in a systematic way. >> reporter: it's not just souvenirs. the president tells government agencies to reduce spending by 20% in travel costs, technology devices such as computers and

smartphones, by putting more federal documents online to reduce printing costs, and cutting transportation costs by using fewer car services for senior officials. >> it doesn't replace the importance of the work that congress needs to do in coming up with a balanced bold plan to reduce our deficit. but it indicates once again that there are things that we can do right now that will deliver government more efficiently, more consumer friendly for less money. >> reporter: leslie page of citizens against government waste said the president's cuts are about appearances and don't amount to much. >> there is a whole lot waste, fraud and abuse to cut. this is very low-hanging fruit. >> reporter: however there is no gesture too small for the president's effort to show he will act even if congress won't. and the news isn't all bad. the white house is still handing out little souvenir boxes of m &

ms. why? because they are donated by the candy company. they are not paid for with money from the taxpayers' pockets. betty? >> at least they're staying. pick up a couple box. >> that's all i have got frn the white house are the m & ms and i did enjoy them. >> reporter: they will still be there. >> we have early show swag here. we have the ski hats which are big sellers. baseball caps, not so much. the mugs, incredibly popular. >> hot item. >> everybody has them. >> reporter: we don't cut back. >> send us some d.c. stuff and we'll send you swag. >> reporter: deal. >> thank you. have a great day. see you tomorrow. state farm. this is jessica.

hey, jessica, jerry neumann with a policy question. jerry, how are you doing?

fine, i just got a little fender bender. oh, jerry, i'm so sorry. i would love to help but remember, you dropped us last month. yeah, you know it's funny. it only took 15 minutes to sign up for that new auto insurance company but it's taken a lot longer to hear back. is your car up a pole again? [ crying ] i miss you, jessica! jerry, are you crying? no, i just, i bit my tongue. [ male announcer ] get to a better state. state farm.