good morning. it is tuesday, january 10th, 2012. welcome to "cbs this morning." at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose, and voting begins in the new hampshire primary. mitt romney gives hope to other republicans with his talk of firing people. and i'm gayle king. when i see you at 8:00, two hollywood players, mark wahlberg and harvey weinstein stop by and we're taken insight the battle between the billionaires wife and the cattle ranchers. you'll hear from the young man's angry parents in a story you'll hear only on "cbs this morning." >> first as we do every morning, we begin with a look at today's

eye-opener, your world in 90 seconds. give me the boost i need, i hope. thank you so much. >> the decision in new hampshire begins. >> i think almost anything could happen. >> second place would be a dream come true. >> i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> governor romney enjoys firing people. >> i enjoy creating jobs. >> he said i like firing people who provide services to me. what did you mean by that? >> i was talking about insurance companies. >> yeah. way to connect with the middle class there, mitt. >> reporter: the timing is suspicious. a shake-up at the white house as bill daley, the president's right-hand man steps down. >> this decision was difficult. jack lew has agreed to serve as my next chief of staff. snow in alaska in the dead of winter to make news, there has to be an awful lot of it.

>> snow palooza. the national guard digs out of a town buried by 189 feet of snow, why a coast guard saves a tanker locked in the arctic ice. all of that -- >> alabama, they win the bcs championship. >> -- and all that matters on "cbs this morning." captioning funded by cbs first thing this morning decisions in new hampshire. the first voters were cast at midnight in the small town of dix ville notch, and polls are open across the state right now. >> it is widely expected to be a race for second among the republicans with a flip-up by the front-runner giving added adrenaline. we begin our coverage with chief political correspondent jan

crawford. she's at a voting site in manchester, new hampshire. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. with time running out before the voting starting and mitt romney holding the commanding lead, the other candidates had one thing on their agenda. attack the front-runner. >> i will always put my country first. it seems that governor romney believes in putting politics first. >> there is something inherently wrong when you take failure and sticking it to someone else is how you do your business. >> reporter: it was all about mitt romney. even we he bashed president obama's health care reform law, saying people should have freedom to dump their insurance companies and choose another one if they wanted, a standard republican line. >> it means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them. i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. if somebody doesn't give me the good service i need, i'm going to go to somebody else.

>> reporter: but all his rivals heard was this. >> i like being able to fire. >> reporter: that line taken completely out of context became the moment of the day. >> governor romney enjoys firing people. i enjoy creating jobs. >> reporter: it played directly into a story line being created by romney's republican rivals. on friday newt gingrich released clips from an upcoming movie who say people lost jobs because of romney's work at the investment bain capital. >> for tens of thousands, they suffer when mitt romney came to town. >> reporter: the last-minute attacks on an issue being pushed by democrats are part of a frantic earth to chip away at romney's commanding lead. monday he called supporters from his new hampshire headquarters as the other candidates seemed to recognize second place may be the most they can hope for in building momentum for south

carolina and beyond. >> is a second or third place finish feasible for you here? >> it would be a best-case scenario. we'd be excited about that. >> reporter: in new hampshire, his views have been less well received. last night he was surrounded by protesters with an angry message. now voters already are coming into the polling place and the latest polls have romney with the win, but no one is predicting the note al a-bomb nation like lsu put on alabama last night. >> nice way to work that in, jan. thank you. this morning there is also some political drama for the democrats over at the white house. president obama's chief of staff william daley has quit after less than a year on the job. former budget director jack lew replaces him. the president announced that change on monday afternoon. >> i didn't accept bill's

decision right away. in fact, i asked him to take a couple of days to make sure that he was sure about this. >> senior white house correspondent bill plant has been talking to the sources aet the white house. bill? >> reporter: well, charlie, there's no blad blood here. you can see that from the video. but the door was being held open for daley's exit. he was brought in here by the president a year ago to do three things, to smooth the president's relationship with congress, to assure big business that it could work with this white house, and to be one of the public faces of administration, and none of those things worked out. daley upset democrats as well as republicans on capitol hill during the debt creting negotiations last summer and in november he gave up his day-to-day management duties in the white house which seemed like a comedown. but his friends will say he never had a fighting chance, he was never part of the president's tight inner circle, wasn't given the total power

that a chief of staff usually wields. all the decisions continued to be made by the three or four people closest to the president. but even though daley is leaving, will remain in the loop. >> thank you very much. now let's go to manchester, new hampshire. chief correspondent and host of "face the nation," bob schieffer is there. good morning. >> hey, charlie. >> what do you think about the resignation of mr. daley? >> it says the economic situation is bad, times are bad, and somebody's got to take a hit. you know, bill daley just never really quite fit in with the crowd at the white house, and harry reid, the democratic leader of the senate didn't like him very much. chuck schumer didn't think he was doing enough. so it got to the point where, you know, everybody was kind of operating on different levels. it's all sweet and light, and the white house is trying to say

when they talk to reporters, look, it's just -- he wanted to go back home and spend more time with his grandkids, but i blame it all on just a bad economic situation. when things are bad, people are going to have problems and somebody's got to take the hit. so he moves on and jack lew comes in. >> let me talk about new hampshire. we have seen upsets before in new hampshire. hillary clinton four years ago. is anything happening on the ground that might surprise us? >> well, other than mitt romney looking for every way he can to try to lose and drive down his percentage of victory. i mean yesterday this "like to fire people," i guess the only thing worse you could say in a time like this when people are out of work is that herbert hoover is my hero or something like that. i mean it just boggles the mind. his people are saying it was taken out of context, but, you

know, when people are out of work, there's certain words you just avoid. and sayi ining "i like to fire people" is one of them, whatever context it was taken. a couple of times in my life i was worried about getting a pink slip. this is a multi-millionary who's the son of a multi-millionaire. i think people who go from paycheck to paycheck may wonder if that's absolutely true. i think at the end of the day mitt romney is going to win here. if he doesn't win and win by a sizeable margin, he'd better just hang it up because this has got to be his best state. it's next door to the state where he was a governor, he has a house up here. so he's got to do well here. >> is the question who comes in second or the more important question, who comes in third? >> well, i think the most important question, charlie, is the whoever is second, is that just going to be bunched up

among a bunch of people because right now you have a large segment of the party who don't like mitt romney, but they can't find their champion. some people like les paul -- not les paul. ron paul. >> ron paul. les paul played the guitar. >> rick santorum. you know, he's had a surge here. i think if all of them stay about the same, i think that speaks -- i mean that helps romney a lot as he goes into south carolina. because even still, bob, there's this polling that comes out. even if he does well, voters want anyone but romney. they say they want another option. >> i think that's the most extraordinary thing we're seeing. we're this far into this and nearly 60% of republicans say they'd still like to see somebody else. that's one reason that you see not all that much enthusiasm

from mitt romney. i went to one of his rally is yesterday. it was fine. you know. it was polite. there was a couple hundred people. you didn't see let me get up there and touch him, get his autograph. you're not seeing it. you may see it as it continues to build. the romney people told me, look, all that comes in time. it's too early to be worried about that kind of thing. but the fact is it's kind of a flat race so far. there's not all that much enthusiasm, and you see that a lot around the romney rallies. >> thanks very much. two more american citizens are expected of being lone wolf terror suspects. they were arrested monday in separate investigations. we have new information on the rest. good morning, john. >> good morning, charlie. these are very interesting but different cases. one is a former u.s. military person, a soldier who converted

after tours in both baghdad and in south korea who decides he's going to join al shabab and he cashes out all of his military savings. he's on his way to somalia when he's arrested in kenya. so this is a very interesting terrorist group. it has 8,000 followers or twitter, as we learned today. the other case, a very different tone. it's an individual out of baltimore -- i'm sorry, tampa, florida, w.h.o. was planning to wear a suicide vest, attack nightclubs in tampa, then at a separate location after setting off his car bomb, hold hostages and blow himself up when the police arrived. >> so what's the significance here of this from a police investigation from an anti-terrorist investigation? >> i think what we're looking at here is a very interesting trend because after 9/11 we saw an average of four of these cases a

year roughly, and then in 2008, 2009, 2010, you see that really spike so that you're having 13 cases, 18 cases. last year we had another nine cases. so the question is what made this kind of self-radicalization go up? i attribute it to anwar al awlaki. >> he knew how to use the internet very well. >> and had that charisma. >> and he's now dead. >> and he's now dead. you see as the numbers go down, you see the power of the message is still tll. >> as you're looking at, too, we're talking about a rise by these lone wolf attacks. how concerned should the american people be such as in tampa about attacks like this? >> i think you still have to be concerned that these people are

still meeting in group, finding each other in chat rooms and still actively planning to go out and blow themselves up or create truck bombs. there are now a dozen cases where people have brought what they believed were live bombs, and were going to press the button only to find out they were in an fbi sting or other sting. >> in the next half hour, john will take a look at a new generation of bomb-sniffing dogs that can track potentially suicide bombers. >> a lot of people across the country have been asking where is the winter, where is the snow. >>? you may find it in cordova, alaska. it may turn out that it's not the worst. ben tracy is there. we find him in anchorage. ben, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. we just landed in anchorage.

as you can see, there's plenty of winter, plenty of snow in anchorage, as you can tell buy my breath. it's very cold, about 5 degrees. folks are 150 mile west of cordova, so much snow there, they've twaulgly run out of shovels. in cordova, they're quite simply buried. buried under a record 18 feet of snow. >> good girl. good girl. clean off my car. >> reporter: six feet in the past few days. >> a lot of businesses have started to cave in. >> reporter: buildings have collapsed, avalanches are rolling down from the mountains, and boats are sinking in the harbor. >> it's getting to be there is more snow and shovels than people too deal with it. >> reporter: they called in the national guard. they will move mountains of snow. they will also clear the one road to the airport. besides boat, that's the only

ay in or out of this fishing town. >> i have been in cordova for almost 30 years and i have never, ever seen this much snow. >> so still a far cry from the record snowfall of 561 inches the southern alaskan coach has been pummeled this winter. that's tripled cordova's average for the entire season. they blame a persistent low pressure system expected to bring more snow the rest of the week. >> shovelpalooza, snowpocalypse. >> reporter: the frigid cold is creating dangerous conditions elsewhere in alaska. 700 miles to the northwest, residents in nome, alaska, are worried a russian tanker may not be able to reach them with a much needed fuel delivery. the coast guard tells us that they should arrive sometime tomorrow.

it's carrying home heating oil. so it's very important. >> give us an idea. i know you're trying to make your way there. what's the forecast for cordova? >> reporter: not very good. they're going to get about 8 inches more of snow, 35-mile-an-hour winds. there's only one flight from cordova. we're hoping to get on it. if you see us in cordova, you know we made it. back to you in your warm studio. >> it is toasty. we want to tell you about severe weather, this time in texas. 6 inches left drivers stranded. dozens of homes remain without power. the same storm cell produced

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you may remember the florida a.m. drum major who died after an apparent hazing. this morning only on "cbs this morning," his parents tell us there's more to this story and they believe it could explain everything. >> we'll also tell you why taking low dose aspirin may not help you live longer after all. a mystery on a military base where $600,000 worth of high-tech gear vanishes. those stories next. you're watching "cbs this morning." this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by maybelline new york. maybe she's born with it. maybe it's maybelline. [ female announcer ] eyes feeling overworked?

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in new zealand a 3-year-old girl comes face to face with the king of beasts and she doesn't even blink, even when the lion gets a little feisty. it looks scary to us but the zoo officials say she was never in danger. welcome back to "cbs this morning." >> i don't know if i would with that brave. a new twist in the a&m hazing this morning. the parents of the victim beating in november, now tell us something you never knew about him. mark strassmann is live with more. >> reporter: good morning. the family has been con conducting their own investigation how he died and they now believe his death was caused with something more than just a hazing that turned fatal.

it was retaliation. but for what? >> getting rid of the hazing is important. >> reporter: robert and pam champion were seen for the first time in the orlando hotel parking lot where their son died after a hazing ritual. robert champion junior was a 26-year-old drum major in florida's a&m's famed marching band and apparently pummeled by his bandmates. >> there's no way around it. it was wrong. >> last november 19, champion was found unresponsive aboard a band bus after the biggest game of the death. the death was ruled as a homicide. no one has been charged and the champions have started their own investigation into how their son died. >> the truth will come out as to what happened and i'm going to find out how my son got there because i know he would not have willingly, knowingly just walked into that. >> chris chestnut is the

family's lawyer. >> how many different people have you talked to who were there on november 19th? >> a lot. >> more than ten? >> yes. >> reporter: some of those students told chestnut they were also hazed that night but none as severely as champion. that i say he was singled out possibly because he was both a vocal oh opponent of hazing a band disciplinarian and gay. >> you're saying he may have been hazed more brutally for a variety of reasons. was juan of those reasons because of a sexual orientation? >> it may or may not have been. >> possibility. >> it's a possibility. it's a possibility. >> he wasable n't defined by hi sexual orientation. he was defined as a child going to school, trying to get an education. >> reporter: the band had many subgroups in its hazing culture. champion was hazed aboard bus c, as these photos show a bus with its own culture and parents believe its own hazing

initiation? >> bus c ritual. what we learn there were people running from basically to back to the front of the bus and haszing and prayed to god they made it off. >> reporter: the champions said they'll sue florida a&m and the bus charter company. the president of fabulous coachlines told cbs by phone we're sorry the young man died. ultimately we did not have anything to do with the student dying. our responsibility lies with transport. but robert champion's parents say stopping hazing is the responsibility of everyone involved. >> the family has said we want to build a robert champion statue, we want a robert champion scholarship and we're going to appoint an independent panel of experts to appoint an anti-hazing committee. >> i'll vote to sh our goal is not to shut down schools. our goal is not to stop the music. our goal is to stop the hazing.

>> reporter: suing the school will allow other students to go under oath about what happened that night. everyone's still waiting for police to file charges, which could include second-degree murder. >> mark strassmann, in orlando, florida, this morning. thank you. it is 34 minutes past the hour now. time for your local weather. doctors tell us an aspirin a day may keep heart attacks away. a new study, though, finds that it may actually be doing more

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vaporweight dog, the latest technology, no batteries required. >> welcome to los angeles international airport. >> reporter: the tom bradley terminal at los angeles international airport. moving through the crowds, a plain clothesed lapd officer has hidden explosives in this bag. it's up to izzy to find the skploes irving. izzy is part of a growing new breed of counterterrorism specialists that can detect and follow the vapors given off by explosives. >> what it's specifically known for is a moving target. >> reporter: for years bomb detection canines have been miley effective at identifying the presence of explosives, but here's the catch. the package had to be stationary, but they target the bomber who is moving. >> so a person with a suicide

vest, a backpack, roller bag full of explosives, the dog will pick it up like any other dog, but what separates him is he will track that vapor weight and he'll follow that person through a terminal, through a busy congested airport. >> reporter: lapd's chief of counterterrorism mike downing. >> it was always nose down, looking at articles, suitcases, abandoned backpacks, et cetera. but the recognition is people carry bombs and they're moving targets. >> reporter: moving targets that killed 180 people in madrid in 2004 around more than 50 people during coordinated attacks in london in 2005. but it was the attempted airplane bombing over detroit on christmas day, 2009, the so-called underwear bomber that prompted chief downing to change tactics. >> if he had been walking through an airport with a vapor

weight dog, would that have made a difference? >> absolutely. absolutely. i think that's one of the events this really started us thinking how do we counter that? >> they turn to auburn university where vapor weight dogs are put through a vigorous six-month regimen. they go through obstacle courses until they're comfortable going over baggage or picking up paper tra trails. >> you're looking at probably two to three best dogs out of the class. >> reporter: back at l.a.x., watch the plain-clothed officer carrying the explosives in her bag. izzy picks up the explosive trail and then he's off. within seconds he navigates throgh a sea of people following the scent right to the target. sitting down to signal his handler he's found the explosives. >> if that person tries to evade

me, i'll let the dog track him and i trust the dog that he's going to work through the crowd, objects, different smells and stay on the vaporweight and track it to the source, which will be the suicide bomber. >> in downtown l.a. we watch add arizona another vaporweight dog named zoom, his hand every john hunted for the scent of explosives. when zoom picks up the scent and goes after it, there is no bag or backpack but from across the square he quickly brings his handler to this man. part of the training exercise. he has explosives hidden in this mock-up of a suicide bomber's vest. >> so no bag, no backpack. he actually picked up the vapor from under neath the clothes of a person moving through a crowd. >> yes, he did. >> and that's a game-changer. >> that's a game-changer. >> is this a trend that you see growing? >> yeah. i think we recognized it. tsa recognized it, that it's the way to go. you have a dog that will do both

now. >> the hours can be long and work hard, but the dogs, they don't seem to mind. >> when i walk out of the house he starts doing his dance, go inside, tail wagging. >> this is a dog who loves his job. >> he loves his job. i've about never worked with anybody who loves his job as much as him. >> great story, john. >> i know people in the lapd. we can get him in. >> the interesting thing first of all what it does for them, but this seems like a thing that ought to be widespread and pushed out with the great terrorist kind of concern that we have at airports. >> the dogs go in prison because they need to go to a place where it's noisy and the floors are slippery. we, of course, go to the airports to feel what it's like to be in prison because you're searched and frisked.

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our gayle king has a look at wa's coming um in our next hour. gayle. >> thank you, charlie. in a story you won't see anywhere else. jeff glor is back from nevada. jay-z's tribute to his new baby daughter has us talking about miscarriages today and i'll explain why. i love this. george clooney tells "esquire" if you want to learn how to sell a product, sit down with this guy, harvey weinstein. i'm sitting down with you. if you described your selling style, your selling technique in one word, harvey weinstein, what would it be? >> george clooney-ish. >> give me one world. >> tenacity and charm.

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pictures from new hampshire where they started voting early this morning as the new hampshire primary is under way. republicans begin to choose their presidential candidate for 201 2012. >> i'm charlie rose. mitt romney way ahead in this race, but the o'candidates are jumping on something they he said on monday. >> i like being able to fire people who provide services to me. if somebody doesn't give me the good service i need, i'm going to go get somebody else to provide that service to me. >> political director john

dickerson has been talking with voters in manchester, new hampshire. ood morning, john. >> good morning, charlie. >> so is this having an impact on romney, and have the attack on the others have some impact and do we see some slippage in his polling and campaign? >> well, it hasn't impacted it to the sense that romney sweating a little bit. those remarks that he gave a hastily put together press conference. he tried to clean it up. he was talking about insurance companies and getting rid of them as a private citizen. he wasn't talking about his business ka reefrmt will it hurt in new hampshire? he's got a sizeable lead here. it's not going to hurt his chances. what everybody is looking for is how big of a victory will he have? that's what we're looking for tonight. >> any evidence of any kind of surge in anybody on the move? >> no, not in iowa like surge here, except for perhaps jon huntsman. he's sort of the new hampshire version of rick santorum.

rick santorum did the state work in iowa, finished strong in the end. huntsman's done a lot of work in new hampshire and is having a tiny surge, but in new hampshire where romney is so far out ah d ahead, huntsman is really going have to do very well to try to have a bounce coming out of new hampshire. >> but still lots of undecided. >> absolutely. a lot of undecides. the advantage for romney is those are sloshing around through all the other candidates so they sort of split the vote among the other candidates leaving him that big victory. you're exactly right. like the whole republican picture, republicans are undecided even with soft front-runner mitt romney. >> we've heard that the race now seems to be a race for second or even third. do you think the other candidates feel that way or do you think, nope, there's going to be an upasset, wait until the voting is ore. >> they want every one of their voters to come out. they're all pretending they're rocky and they're going to

deliver the big blow. there is a race for second, but only if you have a big surprise finish. if jon huntsman ends up being even ten points below mitt romfully, that would be quite a surprise, but you need a surprise. nearly coming in second won't be enough. we'll, of course, have to look at ron paul who's very strong in the state, but will he be able to grow his vote? what you're looking for is a second place finish that has a little hint of surprise with it. >> is there anything in this primary results that will help to see the conservatives coalesce around the anti-mitt candidate? >> only if one of the anti-mitt candidates can do well in north carolina and beyond has a great day. for example, newt gingrich. he's actually inching up. there's a battle between him and rick santorum. if gingrich has a surprise showing, that could help him be the anti-mitt romney. but what we've seen is it has not been a coalescing around one candidate, and that probably will still be the muddle that we

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that's the brand-new song written by jay-z to express his joy over the newborn daughter blue. but the song reveals beyonce had a miscarriage in the past. that's a tough subject for women to talk about and we're talk about it today as we welcome "cbs this morning" lee woodruff, mother of four. welcome, lee. >> thank you. >> they're notoriously private and even people close to them did not know they had a miscarriage, but that's not a surprise to you because this is a subject people don't want to talk about. >> this is a subject women talk about with each other in the locker room or with a hushed hand. we don't really have a way to deal with this kind of grief in our society. it become as very female almost shameful thing, what did i do wrong, did i take a prescription medication, did i have a beer when i was pregnant and didn't know. you don't often hear the father talk about owning it, which is

so amazing about this. >> and talking about the sadness that they felt over it. >> right. >> you know as luck would have it for us, you suffered not one but two miscarriages and you could share something about this particular story. you had four children. >> i do. >> the miscarriages occurred when? >> between my son and my daughter. i thought after two, i'll never have any more children. >> you had two back-to-back miscarriages. >> two. you get this sort of shameful feeling. there's a feeling of kind of inadequacy. you're the woman carrying the baby so you must have done something wrong and men and women grieve in different ways. women want to talk about it, parse it over, and men are more stoic. >> plus in a situation like this it's a tough thing for a man because they don't know what to say when you're pregnant. when you lose a pregnancy, they have no tools. >> and, erica, that was the line you hear over and over again.

well, it wasn't a living child or it wasn't a child it was born. you've already named your child, seen where they it in your family, you have those hopes and dreams and jay-z alludes to this in their sock. this was their child to them and they lost the child. so what i love is it's sort of giviing men, dads permission to grieve. >> i so admire that he talks about it in the way he's doing it. it's so out of character for him. how did your husband -- that would be bob woodruff -- react? >> back then? >> yes. yes, yes. >> sad, but without having ownership of it. >> so many men, they don't even want, as you said, want to discuss it. >> i don't imagine anyone at the office, that he would share it it's such a private thing. it's happening all the time. i think the statistics are really low. >> you think it's higher? >> i feel like every time i talk to a woman, she's had one in her

history, even early on. >> i have a number of friends, probably every woman does. it feels like as women are having children later, it almost seems like -- and i have no medical background but just anecdotally but the numbers feel like they are going up, that they might be higher. >> so many miscarriages happen early son that women don't know they're pregnant. many go unreported. i love it. i love that he's writing about it and singing about it. congratulations. >> i think we're going to hear more people talking about it. he's opening the door where no one has. >> these are really explicit words. >> yes, very much so. thank you, lee. >> thank you. >> and welcome, be i the way p we're happy to have you join. >> oh, yeah, welcome. >> another girl on our team. >> thank you. just ahead, a billionaire's wife wants to help wild horses. sounds all right. except the cattle ranchers say not so fast. so much more to this fascinating

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there is a battle brewing out west. it's a confrontation between ranchers and the wife of a billionaire over wild horses. >> cattle ranchers say their livelihood is at risk because there are too many horses. animal activists like madelyn pickens say there are too few. >> jeff gloor is back. good morning. >> good morning. good to see all of you. this is not just a few horses. there are tens of thousands. they're the center of this controversy, and everyone agrees the status quo is not working.

>> reporter: in parts of northern nevada it's easy to feel like you slipped back in america's past, but if you're madelyn pickens, you feel like it's slipping away. >> how do you get rid of something that god gave life to? these are living, breathing animals. >> in the past year pickens has spenlts between 12 and $13 million trying to establish a wild horse ecosanctuary, which she says is needed to save america's mustangs. >> this will give you an opportunity to also see a herd of wild horses, i hope. >> there they are, right there. not many in that pack there. >> about 14. >> look at them go. >> they hate the noise of this helicopter. they hate it. because it took their families away from them. >> reporter: family might not be an object for wife of billionaire oil man t. pickens.

that's because she wants to use land for her refuge. cattle ranches say there woen be enough land or food for both groups. >> you've invited the ranchers to visit? >> we have. they've been a little cautious about it. >> why do you think that? >> i think because they still prefer to be against us. they've grown up hating the horse, you know. when they first tried to integrate in the schools, you know, down in alabama, nobody liked it. >> do you really think it's an issue that can be compared to segregation and that is people are just fighting for the tradition. >> well, you know -- >> -- that's been around for so long. >> it's the hate. >> the hate of the horses? >> yes, yeah. >> come here, gabby. go around them. >> reporter: mark is the county commissioner and rancher. he's lived here all his life.

>> what do you think of madelyn pickens' idea? >> i don't think that's a good idea. we cannot think that's going to solve the overpopulation with the horses. it's just not realistic. >> unlike pickens, dahl says nevada has wa too many wild horses, citing numbers from the bureau of land managements. >> we have on the range about 38,500. we had about 16,000, i think, in 1971. we have in holding facilities 46,000, and the taxpayer is paying about $50 million in 2011 to maintain those excess horses. >> so i guess then the question is what happens to those horses? >> well, what's happened historically? before 1971 before the wild horse act was passed and horse numbers would increase on the range, they would be gathered and if there wasn't a use for them, they would be sold. >> when you say sold, we're

talking about the horses being slaughtered generally speaking. >> generally speaking, yes. >> does that need to come back, in your opinion? >> i think it does. i think we need to have an adult conversation. >> you realize that in some people's minds you come across as the guy who hates horses. >> but i don't. i don't. i love horses. like having them on my ranch. but just not too many of them. >> you know, it's really amazing how the american public doesn't know what's going on, but when hey do find out, they'r horrified. >> how much are you willing to spend on this issue? >> oh, i don't know. i'm not a billionaire. my husband is a billionaire and i'm not. but this is my project. >> let me ask you that question again. how much money are you willing to spend on this issue? >> you'll probably have to deliver me lunch one day. i'll be the bag lady out here, but i'll be with all the horses. >> you're willing to go bankrupt to fight for this issue. >> no, no.

i'm not that foolish. i won't ever go bankrupt. i'll make this work. >> another great story. the question remain as what's going to happen. >> well, thing that is the big question right now. one of the reasons this is even more at the forefront right now, charlie, is because in november a bill was passed in washington that reauthorized the use of these slaughter houses in america. that is not happening right now because there's no federal fuding in place to inspect them, but that's obviously one of the things that madelyn pickens e is worried about. >> the video is amazing. it looks like we're look at a movie. is there no room for con compromise so the two sides can have a win/win? >> both seem dug in. the big issue seems to be looking at the population moving forward because madelyn pickens says if her plan is put in place, the horse population will not increase dramatically. the ranchers say that's not the

case at all. it will go up 20% in a year, double in a few years, and the problem continues. >> how does she say it won't go up? what exactly are her plans? >> for her, it a lot of it is an ek doetsal. she took us up in a helicopter. we didn't see a lot of them. the bureau of land management say they're out there. >> if she proves she can manage this, would the ranchers accept that? >> i'm not sure what they would say to that, but i think they will tell you that every -- every control that they tried in the past has not worked, and so what you do moving forward, they say there needs to be a solution. demar dahl says i'm open to a solution if you have one, but i haven't seen one. >> so this solution is key. >> which comes back to gayle's idea. >> that she's dedicated. >> do you have an idea? >> believe me, charlie, i'm

thinking. i thinking do they have to have so much land? 500,000? >> and whether they can both live. >> we'll be right back with

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"piano." we're happy to have harvey with us. >> nice to see you, charlie. good morning. >> it's so nice of you to come. what did you say, harvey, during the break about why you're here. >> charlie called me yesterday and said, i want you to do this show. >> i like it. >> if you say no to charlie rose in new york, social life ends, my wife the designer, all those clients. and, gayle, i can't go to you. >> so harvey is here. >> only in my dreams. >> we like that. >> so award season is upon us. >> yes, sir. >> so what does it look like? you've got "iron lady" here and "marilyn" here. >> best director, meryl streep won best actor. that was a nice result. this week we go into the critic's choice awards on thursday and the golden globes on sunday. >> but is it ever like picking a

favorite child for you when you've got three contenders? is it hard not to show favoritism toward anybody? >> i think, you know, you have to be neutral. as hard as it is, you must do that. so i think it's something over the years i've had choices before. >> yeah. >> you know, and you do show that. i had a great thing happen to me in 2000. there was a piece written. >> i remember. >> he slaughtered me. it was 20 pages of harvey's over. >> ouch. >> it was the '90s. >> and you sort of looked the other way, didn't you? >> the guy's finished. three weeks later they announced the oscar nominations. we got nominated for 40 acami awards. never been done since. three best pictures. "the hour," "chicago," and the

other. so much for being over with. i didn't believe the article. >> here is your reputation. harvey is the best salesman, as gayle suggested, and you can take a movie that's a good movie and make it an academy award-winner, even if it's not necessarily the best movie. >> you know, i don't believe that, but i will -- i do believe that if you have passion for what you do, you can market it well. you know, you have to have the passion, you know, and you have to believe. and anybody who believes that a black-and-white silent movie can do business in the united states of america -- >> that was passion. >> -- is either certificate finally or passionate. >> well, you also said to gayle before tenacity as well. >> right. >> you just don't ever give up. >> yeah. i mean when you have the odds against you like these movies, you don't give up. i make other kinds of movies.

my brother's great at them. he makes scary movies. >> he does make the movies. >> he does. and i spend it. and we make the commercial movies, and it's easy to market those movies these movies are like never-ending. it's like the jon huntsman campaign. >> ow. >> when we're talking one word, boy uld have said relentless. i've heard people say once harvey wants it, he does not stop. he'll do whatever it takes, pulls out all the stops. where does that come for you? was it middle school? high school? where is that, i want to win? in many respects i admire how you operate. it's tremendous drive, tremendous passion, but i'm trying to picture a young harvey weinstein. what was he like? >> picture harvey weinstein at sports. i loved sports. baseball. i reach up for it and feel the crack of my knee and now may man

my yankee career is over. i'm probably the only one going to the golden globes who's upset. >> there may be a few more. >> i want to come to some predictions here. i'm looking forward to the golden globes. best picture, what will be the competition. >> there's two categories. "marilyn," you know is in that and "the artist" and "bried "bridesmaids" and "midnight in paris." >> and drama? >> mostly george clooney owns the drama category. he's nominated for "the iedes o

march" it's politics. >> did you see who's in it? >> it's a forgettable moment. >> what about clooney and possibly being the best actor because of "descendants?" >> i think he has a great chance. >> and "marilyn?" >> and "marilyn" with michelle. good people win. >> can i talk about -- >> woody allen, they're fine with me. they're great. >> i knew you were coming. nobody talks, black and white, but i tell you by the ended of the movie -- it had such nice twists and turns and i'm wondering what did you see that made it -- they even got a great line where it says the public always craves fresh meat. the public always kravs fresh

meat, and i'm fresh meat is one of the characters. what did you see in that mauve that you thought, okay, this could be a hit? i'm not seeing mass appeal. >> i saw an early cut before it was finished in paris because friends of mine made it and a friend thomas languorman. i was sitting there, laughing, enjoying. i surrendered to it. it talks about the beginning of making movies. when i called my company and said, guys, i bought a black-and-white movie. >> they said cool. >> i said who was starring in it. >> they said cool. >> i said it's silent. they said i had to go to the board of directors. >> obviously you look at things in a much different way than we do watching it, but what struck me about the movie is in really the first minute it grabs you. there's a certain energy from

the audience that's in the movie watching this all unfold. i mean how important is that to you, that initial connection in the first, say, five minutes. >> john ford always the great director says grab them right away. if you do, you'll hold them the rest of the way. i mean it's that kind of -- "the artist" is an experience beyond the movie. >> before we go, before we go, chris, our executive producer and others always have been troubled by the fact that shakespeashake "shakespeare" won the academy award the year it won. tell us before you go what was the competition that year? >> there was a kid named steven spielberg. he had made a movie called "saving private ryan." >> yes. >> and i think this guy hanks was in the movie. >> how did "shakespeare" win? >> it won because they voted for it. >> and harvey advertised. >> you know what tom dewy said?

>> chris got his question answered. harvey, thanks. great to have you here. we look forward to having you come back often. >> when i call, you come. >> margaret thatcher. good luck to you guys. the show is great, really great. fun, fun. >> harvey weinstein, no easy act to follow, but we had one person who may be able to pull it off. mark wahlberg to talk about his action thriller. he brought his real life entourage and he'll tell m1

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most versatile stars, thank you very much. and in the movie "contraband," he falls back into his old life. >> i've got to try to get on the ship and try to fix this. >> are you kidding? >> what am i going do? let him go alone? >> no. we'll think of something else. >> no. if i don't go, they're coming after him. >> you know what i don't want to do is visiting you in jail like we do your dad and raising those kids on my own. >> i don't want to fight with you about this, okay? i know what i'm doing, all right? will you just trust me? >> wow. >> what's amazing about you as i patch this film is not only that you are an actor but also how you have branched out into so many things. you got a golden globe nomination. how did the business part of your life begin to blossom? >> i've always been a

business-minded person, and when i started acting, i thought, you know, the good scripts aren't necessarily going to fall into our own laps. i've always been a hustler. even when i was doing the ba things in my life, i maintained the jobs so my mother wouldn't ask me where i got the money to buy a car at 16. but i always wanted to have some kind of control. and also producing allows me more time at home with my family, which is the most important part of my life. >> there's no question. are your kids aware you were markey mark and when they hear that, do you think, oh, god, please don't bring that up. >> i don't want them to listen to it or bring it up. obviously my kids are listening to new kids on the block. the nanny was a big fan and slipped her a cd and trading cards. she got the christmas album. i told her, christmas is overing you've got to put that away. there are things in my past i would not want them to know about, but it's all part of who i am.

>> to make you whou yo are today. >> hopefully at the right time we'll be able to talk about it. >> i love that you talk about your wife and your family. i read you guys have a date night and that mark wahlberg goes to the movies and advice. mr. baddass mark wahlberg goes to the movies and cry. what was it? >> "the help." i was always wanting to direct and i thought that ee the kind of movie i want to make. >> what are you waiting for? >> the reese piece of material to come. if you don't do it at the right time and if you don't fail, you don't usually get not chance to do it. >> erica and i went with others to see your movie. "contraband" was so classic mark wall berg. badass. it was hard sometimes to watch it. it had all sorts of twists. that to me is what i think when i think of you? is that the kind of role you enjoy doing?

>> yes, those are the kind of roles i enjoy playing and watching. i remember thinking this would make for a great american movie. it's the way it's done and the story's told and the charact characters -- he's very physical, but he's also very smart and he has to be on his toes all the time and the way he's reacting to all the different curveballs being thrown at him. i thought, wow, this something i hadn't seen done in this way before. and also he's fighting to protect his family. >> where did you find the story? >> a guy in our agency sent it us to. the guy who started in it and produced it directed this version and he's fantastic. and so we actually just signed him up to direct another move for us. the people are surprised at the budget of the movie because we figured out a way to make movies in a more cost-effective movie. it looks like an $80 million movie and we did it for much less than that. >> do you need to be working all

the time? >> no. but i need to work because golf's not paying the bills. i learned that the hard way. golf is not going to put food on the table and i'm in a very unique position right now but i am try dog more stuff behind the scenes which will give me more time at home. >> is it as satisfying? >> yes. even more so. when i've been able to do things like "entourage" and have guys showcase their talents, it's been amazing. >> you've talked a little bit about some of your regrets. one of them is not getting ahere education. >> yes. getting any education. >> how would it have changed you because you are inkrepd inably successful. >> it means i have to do more work now. when i write, i have a dictionary. when i don't understand something, i'm not afraid to say, excuse me, what does that mean. when you act like you know

what's going on, then you're really an idiot. i'm skpersing things and getting to see things and learn about things that i maybe wouldn't have had the interest in. >> you can constantly do something different. >> yeah. >> what was the last word you looked up in the dictionary that you didn't know? >> the prayer book. the profession of faith. it's the word consubstantial. i knew what the world "substantial" was, but i wanted to be true. >> so in your briefcase is a dictionary and a prayer book? >> yes. it was a gift from a friend of mine whose child goes to the same school as my daughter. i was freaked out. you have to get them in the philippines. i started rereading the one from 2011 but he went to the philippines over the holidays and brought me one and for my wife because she was trying to take mine. there's a prayer, a reflection,

and a suggest of what you should try to do that day. >> is it hard to follow? >> sometimes you can't do it. sometimes it's pretty elaborate or i'm away from home. do something special with your kids or something like that. >> what is a perfect day for you with your family? >> a perfect day for me, well, if the kids are in school, aisle take the kids to school, i go play golf, get a little alone time to just calm down a little bit and my wife will meet me over there for lunch. we have lunch, go for ice cream, go home and they behave and get along. >> i like the behave part and get along part. >> and other than the idea of having more time with your family? >> i'm pretty -- >> the life you have right now. >> i'm pretty blessed. that's why it's important for me to get on my knees every day and thank god, be reminded of what's really important in life. but, no. other than, you know, hope to play a little more golf in the

future. but i just want my kids to be happy and healthy and stay on the straight and narrow and as long as i succeed as being a dad and a husband, i'm good. >> call me when you're in new york, we'll play. >> i'd love to. >> mark wahlberg, great to have you. >> thank you. >> "contraband" opens in theaters this friday. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. you're watching "cbs this morning."

last night they went to a screening of the movie "warhorse." she burst into tears at the end of the movie but then she said, it's okay. >> i love craig ferguson.

>> we want to let you know that if you missed our eye-opener at the top of the show today, you're in luck. go to our website and you can relive the magic. >> you had a great 8:00 hour. harvey was great. mark was great. you were great. >> we did. we did. i'm thinking the last two days have been pretty good. >> i like it. we should keep doing it. >> should we keep charlie? >> i think we should, especially when he makes a call and people show up. >> i like that. >> we can overdo that, can't we? >> no, we can't. actually, charlie, we can't. >> that does it for us. up next, your local news. we'll see you tomorrow. this has been one great day for us, day two as we introduce wa's happening around the world. tomorrow, we head to the white house to talk to the first lady and we'll see you tomorrow morning right here on "cbs this morning." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

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