iphone . captioning funded by cbs good morning. it is monday, january 16, 2012. welcome to "cbs this morning." here in studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. the captain of a capsized cruise ship faces manslaughter charges while rescuers are forced to stop searching for more victims. we'll speak with an american family that survived the disaster. and i'm gayle king. we'll catch up with that wild weekend in the nfl with james brown and when i see you at 8:00, joel and victoria os teen talk about their mega church and their message of hope. i'm erica hill. winton marsalis is here to reflect on the reverend martin luther king, jr. we'll show you who took home the gold at last night's golden globes. first, as we do every morning, we begin with a look at

today's eye-opener. your world in 90 seconds. everybody was just screaming out. all the passengers were running up and down. >> six dead and 16 missing after a cruise ship runs aground after the italian coast. now, investigations focus on the captain. >> they said there was a power failure, not to be worried. >> people are panicking and yelling and pushing. they wanted to be the first on the lifeboats. >> you have to beat expectations to keep moving on. >> and then there were five. jon huntsman expected to drop today and endorse mitt romney. >> i'd love to get the endorsement of every group possible. >> 56% of people believe the u.s. is ready for a mormon president. not bad said the wrong mormon. >> will the people of south carolina vote their conscience? >> i don't want to -- >> i'm a one man lewis and clark. i'm looking for a sacagawea. he would have been 83 years

old had he lived. >> we are an incredible nation and we're incredible people. >> nervous? don't be. this isn't about you. >> and the winner is. >> the artist. >> the artist. >> the artist. >> the golden globes are to the oscars what kim dashian is to kate middleton. >> follow that? >> the pass is caught for the touchdown. >> all that the mares. >> the giants, they'll take on the 49ers next sunday night. >> on "cbs this morning." >> i think gayle looks absolutely beautiful. charlie, you know, is not getting any younger. i do want to say that. charlie, get up earlier. please. give him a big kiss for him because he's my buddy. we begin this morning in italy where searchers found

another body inside the cruise ship costa concordia, which is resting on its side along the northwest coast of italy. then the rescuers had to stop searching after the ship moved. >> six people are confirmed dead, 16 others missing, including two americans. the owner of the ship is blaming -- >> here's the latest from jiggio italy. it was deliberately run aground in shallow water but sits on the edge of a deep dropoff. the body of a man wearing a life jacket was found in a section of the ship not flooded. the number of missing has been raised because two women who were on board and listed as safe have not contacted their families. divers and other rescue workers continue the grim task of searching the half sunken liner. the focus of attention is shifting to the captain. the mounting body of evidence

suggests it was far too close to shore had it hit a rock. cruise liners make a habit of getting close to the island to give tourists a treat. it's known as sailing by the horn because they salute the island with a blast of the ship's horn. amateur video from recent weeks shows the ship doing just that. the captain claims the rock which tore open the ship was not marked on his charts and he was not too close to shore. >> translator: we were about 300 meters from shore more or less, the captain said. we should not have had this contact. italian coast guard officials, local fishermen and ferry operators dismissed that out of hand. the ship's black box recorder has been found and will resolve the issue. >> these record everything, the communication. so a lot of good information for us to know how it went so bad. >> even the ship's owners issued a statement saying that standing company procedures were not followed. the captain faces the

possibility of multiple manslaughter charges and up to 12 years in jail if he abandoned his ship before all passengers were off. the liner was northbound when it struck the rocks. 15 minutes after the impact, the captain turned to port, left and headed back south towards giglio. barely have an hour later, the ship was stuck and keeling over next to the island. that at least made it easier for passengers to reach shore, but many said the evacuation was like scenes from the movie titan titanic. a crew member trapped aboard with a broken leg was found and taken to safety. hopes of finding anyone elsa live are fading fast. companion ways and cabins are choked with debris. as one put it, then we make noise in the hopes that someone will respond. kevin used a key card system similar to hotels so sniffer

dogs will use to check under doors that can't be opened. >> an american couple is still missing according to the embassy is rome and they've given assistance to hundreds of passengers who came off the liner. gigl giglio, italy. thanks. americans nate and carrie lucas and their daughters survived the disaster. they join us now from rome. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> i know this must be an incredible and awful memory. but take us to the moment that you realized something was wrong. >> well, we didn't hear a lot of the noise that many of the other passengers had heard. many people were up eating dinner. we turned in early that night. we had a long day of travel and so we had an early dinner, went to bed. didn't hear a lot. however, something woke me up. i went -- i got out of bed and noticed that some of the items

in our bathroom had shifted to the floor. nate got out of bed and noticed that the boat was not quite even and was concerned. we went and woke the gifrrls up and told them to get things together. that we might be heading out on deck to see what was happening. the staff had been reporting that everything was under control, there was an electricity issue, generator problems. but we were concerned with the tipping of the ship and so we decided to head out and try to find where we needed to be. >> mr. lucas, what was the worst moment for you in. >> probably trying to find our way to the surface. we really were only on the ship for maybe four or five hours and didn't have a chance to really learn our way around. so coming out in the dark with children and then once we got in the hall and more pandemonium, more people running around, you realized, hey, maybe this is serious. we need to get to the surface.

we didn't know what level the lifeboats were on. we went up the stairs and down the stairs. i think carrie finally noticed cold air blowing in from a doorway. we made our way to the deck there. there were a lot of people out there. being in the corridors in the dark was, you felt vulnerable. the worst place you would want to be, you know. disoriented in the dark and the boat starting to tip. >> carrie, walk us through, there have been reports that people weren't chivalrous when everybody got on deck. there was more panned mohamed osman mohamud moan y-- pandemon there. >> i was one of the hysterical people on the inside. we tried to get in linement there were crew members that were telling us, five people in a line. five people in a line and trying to be organized. that didn't last very lon. people were pushing and shoving. of course, everyone wanted to be

first. >> were you always together? >> yes. that was the thing when we first came down and had kind of a little huddle. we came out into the outdoor area and saw how many people there were. that was one thing nate said, we have to stay together. i don't think we ever left -- we were in contact physically the whole time, holding hands. toward the end when we were moving to the end of the ship after we missed the first load of the first lifeboat. nate slipping and siding and had a hard time keeping his footing. the biggest fear we had was losing one of the kids or one of us not getting off the ship. i can't even imagine how awful that would have been. >> nate, carrie, molly, hanna, isabella and lucy, thank you all for joining us this morning. appreciate you taking some time for us. >> good luck to you. >> thank you. the captain of that ship is now facing several charges. we'll ask john miller about the charges and about the safety procedures that were not

followed aboard that ship. that's ate little later on "cbs this morning." let's catch up on the presidential campaign as the candidates search for a vote in south carolina. cbs news confirms that jon huntsman will drop out of the race this morning throwing support to mitt romney. jan crawford is in washington. jan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, charlie. jon huntsman banked his campaign on the mod ral republicans to -- he vowed to keep going until it became clear that south carolina wasn't going for him. >> i'd say third place is a ticket to ride, ladies and gentlemen. hello south carolina. >> for jon huntsman, the hard light of day had a different message. voters in south carolina and elsewhere did much like president obama's former ambassador to china, he sat at the bottom of every poll. his exit will have little impact on the race know focused on which candidate gets the

evangelical vote. had south carolina, that vote now is divided between newt gingrich, rick perry and rick santorum. but over the weekend, more than 100 christian conservative leaders met in texas and made a pact santorum is their man. >> i don't know that that ever happens with a group of christian leaders. miraculously come together and stand in support of my candidacy. >> not everyone is going along. gingrich tried to down play the endorsement arguing that he got a third of their vote. >> i was told that we had a a substantial vote on the first round perry has been making light of his shortcomings comparing himself to a biblical prophet. >> moses tried to talk god out of making him lead the people. he wasn't a good public speaker. from time to time i can relate to that. >> but the two former frontrunners are struggling and

gingrich has had recent missteps. in a forum over the weekend, the rules said candidates couldn't attack each other but gingrich couldn't help himself and got booed. >> governor romney said he kpree ated 100,000 jobs -- >> mr. speaker, we will not allow. >> let me answer the question. let me say it differently. >> now this morning, jon huntsman will endorse mitt romney saying he believes romney has the best chance to beat president obama. charlie, that endorsement may not get romney many more votes. one poll had him behind steve colbert. >> will he still, is he still the favorite in south carolina? >> oh, no doubt. polls have him with a commanding lead. on that endorsement, it could do one thing for romney. it reinforces the message that he's been trying to say, that he's most electable. huntsman decided to get out because he thought the party needed to come together behind the candidate with the best chance of beating obama. that endorsement later this morning might reinforce that

message. >> jan, thanks again. the one candidate we haven't looked at yet this morning, is of course, president obama. >> what's the strategy? >> i mean, obama has sort of under the radar here. the attention is focused on the republicans, yet they are working very, very hard. they have thousands of people already in the field doing the sort of ground game work, calling, knocking on doors, making phone calls and they love the fact that the republicans are all beating up on mitt romney who is the guy they've been running against from day one. >> what is it they think the obama campaign team is doing the most damage to, potential nominee looks like governor romney? >> obama's message has been all about the middle class and the fact that the republicans are beating up that newt gingrich is calling romney a vulture capitalist. they absolutely love that. sooner or later, that's going to

stop. there's a downside to it too. because maybe it's coming too early. >> conventional wisdom is that if it's a referendum on the president, governor romney does better. >> the president is making it about the congress, which doesn't do anything and about saving the middle class. that's what they plan to stress. the state of the union coming up in a week, that's what you'll hear. >> that will be, you think, the focus of the state of the union? >> absolutely. >> we also saw that on friday with the change or the reduction in government in some way that was being put on by the white house. >> great idea. but he'd have to get congress to pass it. would congress pass it knowing he could turn to them and say if you don't do this you're for bigger government. not likely. >> thank you, bill, great to see you. >> senior white house correspondent bill plant. the hollywood foreign press association handed out the golden globe awards in beverly hills last night. ben tracy was there and has a look at the winners and big

moments. >> tonight. you get britain's biggest comedian hosting the world's second biggest awards show on america's third biggest network. [ laughter ] >> hollywood's elite was ready for bad boy comedian ricky gervais to toy with their fragile egos. after he made fun of madonna. >> she's just like a virgin. please welcome, madonna. >> she struck back. >> why don't you come over here and do something about it. i haven't kissed a girl in a few years. >> george clooney won best actor in a drama for the descendants which won as best dramatic film. clooney says there was a dploeb moment that stood out for him. >> jane fonda in that dress. my god -- she looked great, didn't she? wow. >> most of the celebrities spent three hours drinking during the show. that means they're ready for the

after parties. >> one of the biggest parties of the night was thrown by the weinstein company, the force behind the sigh let film the artist which won for best comedy. >> we will stand on principle. >> and then there was the iron lady. >> meryl streep. >> meryl streep looked shocked to take home a globe for her turn as margaret thatcher. >> you looked very surprised. >> i was surprised. >> genuinely surprised. >> so were the censors who had to bleep streep when she realized she forgot her glasses. >> my people i'm inspired by. i have to remember my speech. oh, i can't believe i said that on tv. i can't believe that. i mean, i never do anything like that. but i just -- i have such a good speech. here it is. i can't see it. >> michelle williams for my week with marilyn. >> michelle williams was perfectly composed winning best actress in a comedy or musical

for playing marilyn monroe. >> what was it like to embody somebody as iconic as marilyn monroe? >> the honor of a lifetime. i took my picture with the award in between us. >> for "cbs this morning," ben tracy, cbs news, beverly hills. >> in the next half hour, nancy o'dell has an exclusive chat with george clooney as she goes backstage at

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the boston globe reports the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey is holding talks in israel this week. he's expected to discuss the nuclear threat of iran and the chances of israel attacking iran. >> here in new york, the one of the four men accusing bernie fine of sexually assaulting them as a child admits that he made up the story. fine was fired in november after 35 years as assistant coach at syracuse. he's not been charged with any crime. in hon done, the guardian newspaper reports that the probe falls into pacific ocean. this is a failed russian space mission. the unmanned spacecraft was supposed to land on one of the martian moons but never got out of orbit. >> many people are echoing this uperman. the new york daily news reporting on eli manning and the giants beating the packers in the nfl playoffs last night. we'll look at the next weekend's championship games in a few minutes. the golden globe awards are serious business in hollywood and great parties.

we'll have more highlights from last night and hear from george clooney. you're watching "cbs this morning." your local news is next.

golden globes are to the oscars what kim kardashian is to kate middleton. [ laughte ] what? bit louder. bit trashier. bit drunker. allegedly. nothing has been proved. >> you can tell why some people are a bit worried about what ricky gervais would say at the golden globes. we'll have nancy o'dell with us in a few minutes. as we look at haas night's big moments, including her conversation with george clooney. welcome back to "cbs this morning." >> first we want to turn our attention to former penn state football coach, joe paterno who is finally speaking out about

the child sex abuse scandal that cost him his job. paterno had no idea of a possible dark side to his long-time assistant coach jerry sandusky. we have been covering the penn state scandal since the beginning. good morning. >> good morning, erica. beyond a few brief comments outside his home. he has had little to say at least publicly about the scandal. over the weekend, he broke his silence. >> i called my superiors and i said, hey, we got a problem, i think. >> in his first interview since the scandal broke, joe paterno told the washington post he's shocked and saddened at the child sex abuse scandal engulfing his university. the 85-year-old is currently undergoing therapy for cancer. he told reporter sally jenkins after informing two top university officials after the locker room shower incident involving former assistant coach jerry sandusky and a young boy,

he did not follow-up more aggressively out of fear of influencing any internal investigation. >> i didn't know exactly how to handle it and i was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was, he said. so i backed away and turned it over to some other people. if there was a problem, they would follow-up on it. those other people were former athletic director tim curley and school vice president gary schultz. both are now charged with lying to a grand jury. >> i had never had to deal with something like that. i didn't feel adequate. >> in addition, paterno told jenkins even if mike mcqueary was more graphic in his description of the alleged 2002 shower room rape, it may not have registered. to be frank with you, i don't know that it would have done any good paterno said. because i never heard of rape and a man. paterno is reserving any judgment of sandusky charged with more than 50 count of sexual abuse and school

officials. preferring to let the legal system run its course. >> a couple quick questions. number one, what do you make of what paterno said and two, what's the penn state president, the new president saying? >> well, i think with joe, he's, again, trying to protect his legacy. making clear that this is what he saw and this is -- or this is what he heard. just trying to make sure that people understand what his position was on this whole thing. as far as the penn state president ericsson, charlie, i heard something that i had never heard before. it was really to me it was tone deaf when rod was out talking to the alums in pittsburgh, pennsylvania and new york last week. he grieved over the fact that the scandal had become about penn state and not about jerry sandusky. conveniently for getting that the athletic director, a senior vice president, what the board of trustees were doing, the campus police. absolutely to me, are you kidding me at this point in time

in even if he thought it, he should have never said it. we want to turn to pro football. it was how can you describe it other than an exciting weekend in the nfl. james brown with the nl today on cbs sports is here as well. j.b. good morning. >> glad to hear your voice is sounding better. >> i have to tell you, it could not have been better. even though tebow did not have the good weekend, eli had a great weekend. it was an extraordinary game. >> it was. in an era of design parody in the nfl, we got what we were looking for which are competitive games. tim tebow still a good human interest story but tom brady reminded everybody what sustained excellence is about in his house. >> and what pinpoint passing is about. >> to new england's credit, they stepped up. they played an excellent game of. didn't have enough offensive weapons. a very hot new england team. >> how much do you think brady

is hoping to get the giants and one more shot in the super bowl? >> tom brady, it doesn't matter to him who he plays. he is so focused right now. and with the mad scientist, bill belichick, they'll come up with an appropriate game plan. >> what about eli? >> i think he stepped up to the elite status right now. he's been much talked as well too. i love the fact that he's just taking the low road. just -- he does it on the field. the giants defense, as we were talking about, healthy now. a very in athletic terms, massive attitude going into the game. they played well. >> you got to love the quarterbacks. this has been a league built on quarterbacks. eli and tom. that's who i think will be in the super bowl. >> no question. it speaks volumes in terms of that excellence being displayed by those guys. >> erica used to work in san francisco. they didn't do bad. >> i did. although i was raised a giants fan. my father said don't you dare become a fan of any new england

team. listen, dad. you're saying you see patriots, giants? >> i do. >> j.b., what about you in. >> i can argue with it, but -- baltimore may winnow owe you have more -- baltimore may have something to say. i think they're a very balanced squad. even though many people say offensively they didn't show a lot of spunk. keep in mind that houston defense was a top three defense throughout the entire season. they played well. made a big step up. baltimore, i think, they'll get it done. >> you mentioned defense. that san francisco defense, i had never watched it. >> they're good. >> these games, as you well know, these games on sunday will be the fastest games, they are super sonic on the field. this is the fastest you will see the nfl play all year long. >> it's good to talk with both of you guys. it's good you don't have gayle king here. my friends thought i was too dark to blush until gayle king came with a question that caught me off guard.

>> you captured everybody's attention. >> erica. >> you handled it beautifully j.b. >> thank you very much. i did blush. >> i want to say a moment about the coach of the 49ers, harbaugh. made the transition from college to pro like nobody. >> you know what, ar man, this is the way i can say it. he wasn't concerned about convention as a player, but clearly the guy can coach. i think the headline for me with san francisco, redemption, it was an overall number one pick justified himself nicely and davis, in athletic terms is a stud, they got it done. >> if this goes the right way, you could have two brothers facing each other. >> literally and figuratively. >> i had to play with that one too. >> i have never seen so many fumbles in a game that turned out to be turnovers for the other team. >> that's the number one stat in football. turnovers will lead to demise if in fact that's the case. ar min made a good point in talking about the packers. eight dropped passes but the

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these actresses that stunning work hard breaking true and bold ♪ four will go home empty handed ♪ four will take home gold smoets ♪ don't be humiliated because you all did a terrific job ♪ it's an honor to be nominated, blah blah, blah blah. william h. macy and felicity huffman at the golden globes where the artist picked up most of the big prizes. >> entertainment tonight co-host

nancy o'dell is with us from los angeles. good morning. >> good morning. good to see you. i'm still in my dress because i came from the venue to a couple of parties and now here. >> how about ricky's performance last night, is hollywood okay with the barbs that came out last night? >> i think that they are. in fact, i think the only thing that ricky could have done this year to shock people from considering what he did last year was to be nice to people. a little tamer ricky gervais. the stars were ready for them. when i interviewed them on the red carpet. i said here's your chance, here's a chance to rip ricky you'll see it tonight on entertainment tonight. they were ready to go at it. >> what was the biggest surprise, nancy? >> you know, i think one surprise was not there was octavious spencer. this was kind of the year of george clooney. i think everybody was looking to that category, the best actor, drama movie category. it was the category of a-lister,

ryan gosling, brad pitt. george clooney. i said to george on the red carpet with me, i said this is really the battle of the best looking, isn't it? it was george who took it away. he was kind of his year. i think that's what everybody was looking at. that category. because he was not only nominated for best director, but best actor, won the best actor. i said what does it feel like going against ryan gosling. he said you directed. if i was going to have to compete, i wouldn't have directed him so well, right? credit for both. you got a one-on-one with george clooney last night. what are the other things you talked about. i think we have a little bit of sound there. >> you have so much acclaim already as an actor and of course. what has it felt like this year to get so much recognition for your work? >> this is about three years of work straight.

directing takes a long time. it's fun because this is after three years of doing it, people like it. it's nice. it doesn't often happen. so it's nice. >> i think he was genuinely so thrilled to win that night. and then of course, one he directed they were both nominated as well. >> i was surprised, nancy, that meryl streep seemed so surprised. she really did seem thrilled. i was also glad that ricky gervais was tamer this year. i never like to see people publicly embarrassed. i thought he did a great job all things considered. >> he did. he only went after the safe target, kim kardashian. meryl streep genuinely thrilled. she seems that way every year. you're such a good actress, we don't know if you're acting at being surprised. she had trouble remembering everybody she wanted to thank. i said, well, you got a chance to do to now. she wanted to thank more people. honey, i can't read it. the writing is too small.

>> i know that feeling. >> she was thrown a bit too. she accidentally let one of the four-letter words out. she had to be bleeped. she didn't want to watch it backstage. >> it was a good night all around, though. nancy, always nice to have you with us. nancy o'dell, thank you very much. >> good to talk to you. >> there will be more on the golden globes this evening on entertainment tonight with what would you do if you were on awe cries ship that ran

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gayle king has a look at what's coming up in our next hour. she's in a room full of people. hey gayle. >> it's a room full of people. we like that. thank you, charlie. monday is the worse day for people research says. friday is the best.

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you are looking at a picture of the martin luther king memorial in washington, d.c. this morning. it is 8:00. we welcome you back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. >> i'm charlie rose with erica hill. in italy this morning, search and rescue efforts are on hold aboard a capsized cruise ship after it shifted in the water. at least six people are dead and 16 others are missing. more than two days after the ship hit a rock with more than 4,000 passengers aboard. >> the disaster raises safety questions about the cruise ship industry. mark straussman has more. mash, good morning. >> good morning, erica. the rescue operations have been suspended indefinitely because

the ship is beginning to slip. that was the worry all along. that some of the divers inside would be trapped inside compartments. right now the rescue operation is off altogether. once the ship hit the rocks, one disaster seemingly led to another as passengers report that the ship's crew failed in every major way to lead them to safety. first, passengers were plunged into darkdarkness, then an announcement of a blackout. but water was pouring in. the ship was dying. passengers described immediate panic as more than 4,000 people speaking different languages tried to abandon ship. >> everybody was screaming. the passengers were running up and down. >> they were also unprepared. the international rules governing cruise ships today passengers must practice an evacuation drill within 24 hours after leaving port. the drill was planned for saturday, but it hit the rocks on friday night. not even three hours after departure. these drills are designed to make sure that people know

exactly where to go in case of an emergency, what to do in case of an emergency. what the signals will sound like. >> survivors report that the crew hesitated notifying passengers and the coast guard of the emergency. that led to a delay in evacuation measures causing panic throughout the massive vessel. >> we started to leave because the boat was tilting more. no one was telling us what no do. >> now, as rescue operations turn to recovery, investigators will examine the crew's response and whether internationally accepted maritime procedures were followed. >> they'll be looking at the behavior of the crew on the bridge, the voyage data recorder, which will provide a whole panorama of what in fact that vessel was doing. >> especially under scrutiny, the captain of the ship who left the boat while search and rescue operations were still under way. italian police detained him on charges of manslaughter, failure to offer assistance and abandoning ship. >> the ship's owner, costa

cruis cruises blamed it's own captain. but it's owned by carnival, it's unclear what the impact will be on the consumer confidence of the 16 million people who do go on cruises and the impact on safety procedures both on ships that fly u.s. flags and those that fly the flags of other nations. thank you that was mark miller. john miller joins us now looking into safety procedures on cruise ships. thank you, mark straussman. welcome john miller to you i'll get it straight. >> good to be here. >> i'm thrown when i look at the pictures of the ship. it keeps sinking deeper and deeper and deeper. i think it's hard enough when something like that happens and through circumstances beyond your control but to hear that they already believe that human error and the crew was to blame, it's got to be tough. >> this is not a mysterious waterway. when you talk about these, there's almost no such thing these days as uncharted waters.

these hazards are there. this is a 980-foot, 112,000 ton, $565 million ship that was made in 2006 with the most sophisticated navigation equipment in the world. if you've ever been on the bridge of one of these things, it looks like the star ship enterprise. the idea of the ship, how much is pea low water, does not have the equipment. you have a chart that shows you the hazards and the depth and the map. and you have sonar that shows you what the bottom looks like. this is a catastrophic failure that could have been avoided. >> why did they run into the rocks? >> you know, let me walk carefully here. you know, the original story is that he wanted to get the passengers closer to land so that they could take pictures of the lights there. the new story is that he did that to thrill the people who

watch the ship go past there on the land. the first reports are never right. so this story is going to develop. we'll find out why. the other story, of course, is after he hit the rock, he grounded the ship so that it wouldn't sink in deeper water. >> one bad thing, one good thing. >> but i think after you take a ship like that and tear the bottom open on a rock, the good thing isn't good enough. >> do you think everybody is rethinking the plan about not giving people the safety evacuation plan before you leave the dock? >> interesting question, gayle. i think we're going to see two things. they have 24 hours to do that abandon ship drill. had they do that drill, that is not a laughing matter. everybody comes out, attendance is mandatory for all the passengers. they have a roster on a clipboard. they call the names, you say here and you meet your lifeboat warden. that's the person you're going to depend on if something happens. that hadn't happened yet. i think the long-term thing we'll see is the international

maritime organization, the people who do the international treaties are going to look and say and do we need to move that up to before the ship leaves port instead of 24 hours. this is demonstrated. you can have a catastrophic accident within a much shorter time than 24 hours. short term, though, i think we're going to see at least here, the department of homeland security and the coast guard doing inspections on all of those ships to look at their emergency operations plan and whether they're up to snuff. >> thank you,

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pastor and best selling author joel osteen is here this morning. we have a lot to talk with him about keeping the faith in challenging times. also talk a little politics and whether america is ready for a mormon president. >> his wife victoria is here too. she'll tell us about making their marriage work after 25 years together. they'll be with us in the next half hour. but it is time right now for this morning's healthwatch. here's dr. holly phillips. >> good morning. in today's healthwatch, the simple cure for a pain in the

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we are looking at the martin luther king, jr. memorial in washington as we celebrate today's holiday in his honor. those are live pictures from washington, d.c. right now. this morning, we're very excited that jazz great wynton marsalis is making his debut, at cbs news cultural correspondent. using his words an music to reflect on the man who brought profound change to america. we should warn you, though, that some of the words are not appropriate for everyone. ♪ >> in louisiana in the 1960s, segregated torn towns. my parents had to deal with colored only signs.

my grandparents, forget about it. my world was entirely black. i was in the second grade when martin luther king, jr. was assassinated. we knew something bad had happened. only because we were sent home early that day. the next year my brothers and i sent to the white school across the tracks. my mama said change wouldn't come from complaining. king had sacrificed, so should we. for us integration came at a steep price. just the nicknames alone, blackie, burnt toast and of course others. it opened our eyes to a more humane world hidden by segregation. we had more in common with white kids than we thought. simple things like we all hated friday fish squares. but loved sloppy joes. still, all the sloppy joes in the world weren't going to extinguish the flames of the injusti

injustice. by the time i became a teenager, the street level perception was, king had seemed to willing to make nice to white folk. for us, the clad, big afro revolutionary were it. this was 350 years of oppression, crashing down n you and here king is asking you to whisper instead of holler. man, you must be crazy. it was next to impossible to love and forgive. you wanted to hate and scream for revenge. that's why the poster over my bed in high school wasn't king. it was malcolm x. my understanding of king would change dramatically one night in new york city. at 17, in an uptown jazz club, a young white college student and i began arguing about race. he went on and on about the greatness of king and i finally said, look, man, king was an

uncle tom. he looked at me as if i had lost my mind and asked if i had read any of king's writings. i hadn't. but tried to pretend i had. he pressed on. of course, you haven't. because you're black. you all never know anything about your history or culture. at that moment, i was ashamed. ashamed to admit to myself that the truth of this great man, who had just recently improved the quality of my life as an american were largely unknown to me. i began reading dr. king's books and books written about him. there i discovered he was in fact, a powerful revolutionary, a genius who recast the bible and the constitution to teach us a new and better way of being free by embracing each other. he, of course, then his soaring rhetoric was poetry itself with an irresistible leer sichl.

he galvanized an army from all walks of life, the leaders thirsty for change. >> i have a dream today. [ applause ] >> today, too many of us remember him as an idealistic dreamer who led a social movement exclusively for black folks. this does him and us a great disservice. dr. martin luther king, jr. is action. under his generalship, civilian forces of labor, clergy, youth and even politicians marched to a string of great victories. the civil rights act of 1964 and the voting rights act of 1965 amongst others. these laws made racism illegal and made us all better americans. the legacy of dr. king is all around us. it's all up in us. even back then he preached timeless human fundamentals that

we all share. he once said everybody has the blues, everybody longs for meaning, everybody needs to love and be loved. let's not forget, dr. martin luther king, jr. paid the ultimate price to bring our nation together and the fight for freedom. the power in national unity is something that we've forgotten. it's up to us to revive and sustain it today and always. ♪ >> seeing that makes me so proud to have you part of this family, my friend. >> it's a great pleasure to be here and join you all. >> it also reminds me that his legacy is never more important than it is today. >> yes. that's the power of what he taught us. he taught us how to come

together. and i think that's part of what we've forgotten. we've forgotten the how. we need to. but we haven't worked out how to do it. >> you know what struck me about it. number one, tony on the crew has been raving about your piece for the last week. wait until you see it, tony was right. it was extremely powerful and it reminds me of what maya angelou says. we're more alike than different. you put it in simple terms about sloppy joes. i mean, i like a sloppy joe today. if we could just somehow get the message that we are more alike than we are different. that is so the point that he wanted us all to get. >> i think we need to embrace the best of what we have achieved already in our country. for some reason, we don't know what the best is. it's not put in the framework that we can understand it. i think king's legacy is the same way. >> do you think that will start to change. you talk about it more, and people talk about it more and realize the similarity. >> as we get another type of cultural intelligence. we understand our legacy. we realize that our country is a

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welcome back to "cbs this mornin morning". joel osteen is one of the popular evangelical pastors. more than 40,000 people, 40,000 people, wow, attend a houston mega church every week. many watch the sermons around the world. >> he's written 20 books. his latest is every day a

friday. how to be happiest seven days a week. he's here with his wife victoria. she's co-pastor of the lakewood church where he's senior pastor. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> tell me in both of your words why is it that you have emerged as to where you are with the number of people watching you on television and coming to that former basketball arena in houston? >> you know, charlie, i don't know if i can put my finger on it. i think part of it is the message is positive and hopeful. i think people have been beat down for many years. sometimes by religion. i don't say that's wron. i think maybe that's part of it. i don't know if i can put my finger on it or plan on doing it. >> i think joel gives an amazing relative message. it has take away. people want something they can use right now. >> are there any misconceptions about you and the message in. >> i think there are. some people call it the prosperity gospel.

i talk about how god wants you to be blessed and have good relationships. there's a certain tradition, to be christian you're supposed to be poor and depressed and downtrodden. but i don't see that. that's not my view of the way christianity should be. >> it's about friday, make it every day of the week, a good day. i've always thought monday was the best day because you're coming into a new week with new excitement, new possibilities and fresh from the weekend. >> i've always thought sunday. that was my favorite day. everybody has a different day. because i'm thinking you can relax that day. some daisy never even get dressed, charlie, on sunday i think those are the best days. >> the point you make is great, charlie. when you have the right perspective, you can enjoy every day. i guess that's what you're saying too. that's what the book is about. you know what, every day may not be a day you're jumping oup and down. if you ed see it as a gift from god, i want to make the most of this day. i'm healthy, i've got family. most of us have more right than what's wrong.

>> so many people are fascinated by you pastor osteen. i've heard you describe yourself on many occasions as boring. i know several -- no, i've heard you say that. i would never say that about you. i know people have been to your church and they say, when you go to hear him speak and you see what he does and i'm sure your wife would agree, there's nothing about you that's boring. do you ever feel the pressure when you know so many people are hanging on to your every word that you say? >> i don't know if i call it pressure but i feel responsibility more than ever. to be prepared. i'll start preparing on wednesday for my sermon this coming saturday and sunday. i think that's more, i think people are making decisions about what i'm saying, make sure i'm giving them my very best. i feel that responsibility. >> in south carolina, they'll have a vote for the republican nominee for president. the leading candidate is a mormon, governor romney. tell me how you see more mondayism, his religion and how you define it within the

christian community. >> what i see about governor romney is that he says, i believe jesus christ is the son he's raised from the dead and he's my savior. >> that's enough for you? >> that's enough for me. there's differences in all religion. mormonism is different from christianity but you know what, he's a man of faith and values. to me that's strong. >> how about tim tebow? >> you know what, tim tebow, i love him in the fact that he stands for, again, faith and values. i think he's a good role model. i think sometimes he gets a bad rap. he's not cocky. he's not saying i want to win because jesus is going to make me win. he's saying god is going to help me do my best. >> and this is who i am. >> i know victoria that you preach too, every sunday. i'm wondering what you would say today on the -- i know you've been following the cruise story too. when you look at those pictures and it's one of those days you get up, you think it's going to be a normal day. in the blink of an eye, your life has totally changed.

what do you say to people finding themselves questioning how did this happen, why did this happen? who may find themselves questioning their faith today. >> you know what, that's what you have to old on to today, your faith. there are so many questions we can't answer. if you can go back to the fact that god is in control. he's got you in the palm of his hand. so many people this morning are grieved for their loss. then there's others saying thank you that i'm alive. so there's a lot of mixed emotions. but if we can anchor ourselves to the fact that, you know what, that god is still good and that there are things that happen in our life. we can't explain them all. >> when is your faith challenged the most in. >> i think, charlie, in 1981 my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer. i never had seen my mother sick a day in her life. my brother called me and said mother has cancer. they give her a few weeks to live. that was a devastating day as it would be for anybody. fortunately, my mother's situation turned out good. she's still alive today, 30

years later. it was a -- it was part of what we teach. there are things you're mott going to understand. >> did you doubt your faith? >> i really didn't. i just -- you know in my difficult times i've turned to my faith. that's the way i grew up. i saw my dad do it. some people runaway from god and get bitter. i learn to say god, i need your help more than ever. this is difficult. >> i'm fascinated that the two of you have been married for 25 years and you work together. everybody always says what's it like being married to him. i want to know what it's like being married to her. >> she makes every day a friday. >> good answer. >> she's a fantastic person. she's fun. >> but there are some couples that can't stand to be in the same house together much less work together. you're practically together 24/7 victoria. is that a good thing? >> it is. it is a good thing. because we know what's going on. a lot of our conversation, we don't have to -- what did you do today? we've been gone all day.

what did you do today and make him rehash his whole day? it's been good. we've learned to focus on what we agree on and not what we disagree on. of course, you don't agree with everybody every single day. >> i agree. >> i wouldn't want to train another person through 25 years of training. >> you talk about a moment about a great evangelical figure from my home state of north carolina. because his name is in and out of the hospital. billy graham. what does he mean? >> billy graham is, was and is a hero to me. growing up as a preacher's kid, he's somebody that we always looked up to him. as kids and my father as well. you know what, i've had the privilege of getting to know him over the last year or two. i feel like that he's so gracious. his integrity inspires young ministers like myself. he made it the whole path, the whole way. here he is in his 90s, still gracious and not complaining. he's just a hero to somebody. >> he also had a voice in

politics because he new presidents. if governor romney is the nominee, can you support him? >> well, sure. i would support any of the candidates. i don't endorse anybody. but i would pray for all of them. i would pray with president obama. democrat, republican. i try not to choose sides. as a person of faith or as a friend, i'd love to pray for nep and encourage them in any way i could. >> with respect to you, if the two candidates are one, one is president obama and the other governor romney, you would have no choice between the two of them? >> no, i wouldn't. i don't feel like that's my calling. i want to reach -- i want to throw a wide net and not divide a group. i'd rather keep that to myself. support them all with my prayers. i admire them for getting in the race. it's not an easy thing. >> we wouldn't have minded if you would have wanted to share that answer. i hear you. it's really amazing to me that for someone who didn't think

they'd be doing this, doing it as well as you have for all these years. thank you both. joel and victoria osteen. thank you so much. when we come back, actor simon baker charming as he plays that psychic crime solver on

excuse me. where is the cancer? >> what's your name? >> jane. patrick jane. liver, kidney? spleen? >> kidney. >> how long do they give you? >> how long? i'm a dead man. that's how long. >> having trouble sleeping, i expect? >> yes. why? >> i tell you how to get to sleep if you tell us who you think killed your son. >> simon baker, star of that hit crime drama, the mentalist. he always gets to the heart of the matter. in this case the kidney. good morning. >> good morning. >> great to have you here.

>> nice to be here. thank you. >> i'm fascinated by your accent, number one. i'm always fascinated. i know it's acting, simon. i get it. i'm always fascinated when people, because you're from australia can do english accents so well. is it hard for you to do? do i sound funny to you right now? >> hilarious. >> it's always very funny when americans try to do australian. >> i know. i should apologize. i'm very bad at that. >> that's okay. i think we grew up, i grew up shall my generation was a lot of american television. you hear it. it's the sounds are familiar to you. and i think that the australian accent is a pretty sloppy, muscularly lazy accent. we're sloppy mouths so to speak. >> i never thought that. >> yeah. well it's about muscles and how you move your tongue and lips,

et cetera. so we have to train our mouths to speak with a more muscular tension in the mouth like you americans. >> got it. >> there seems to be a great tradition in terms of the actors that i have met who are back doing theater as well as film. i mean, as in australia as in england, film and theater tradition? >> yeah. absolutely. there's -- i think there's a necessity, particularly in australia because there isn't the amount of work for actors. so you have to be pretty broad with what you can do. a job is a job whether it's on a stage or down at the park or on a television show or even a commercial or whatever, ha have you. >> you've also moved on the other side here. you've directed a couple of episodes now. how does that compare for you, directing versus acting? >> oh, i love it. it's a natural progression.

it's sort of -- if you're someone that's actively trying to learn when you're on the set all the time and interested in what everyone does and i am that person. i've never really been the actor that sits in a corner sort of reading the book until they're ready for me. i'm quite fascinated by what everyone does. then it's a sum of all those part. and naturally, you evolve to the level of, from telling a story between the lines to the lines, then the sets and the other casting and the choices all the way along. it's sort of exhilarating. i don't think i've ever felt more alive than when you're acting and directing at the same time. >> i'm always fascinated that you all can do that. because you're directing yourself too. i think that's very difficult. >> i think largely, you're directing yourself anyway. i mean, in a lot of ways. >> that is true. >> but you've never felt more alive. you would think part of you is taken up directing and part of it acting.

therefore, it would be a challenge more than being alive. >> maybe i'm closet schizophrenic. >> i was thinking that about you. >> now the real truth comes out. you are a big -- i don't know if everybody knows. but you're a big sur fer. is that because you're australian or because you live in california now? >> i'm going to qualify that. this has become embellished. i've been a american -- i was carrying the stuff put in that picture. >> that's the picture. >> i've got blond hair. i grew up on the coast and surfing was a big part of my life. and it's simply unaustralian to not be able to swim or be associated with the water in some way. and i don't surf as much now as used to. it was an enormous part of my development and my formative years as a young man. on my own to reflect -- sorry.

>> i wasn't interrupting. also acting. what's the hardest lesson for you to learn about acting? >> the hardest -- i felt most liberated as an actor when i reached a point where i realized that once they say cut, there's nothing more i can change or do about it. >> it's done. >> you know, i would spend so much time as a young actor preparing and being worried and concerned of not getting it right. which is always a problem. because there is no right. we're fallible, we're flawed. >> and different. >> also going home in the cab reliving it and reliving it and reliving it when there's no point. >> great to have you with us here. we have to cut it there. >> pleasure. >> otherwise the computer will cut us off.

simon. you can see the mentalist thursdays at 10:00, 9:00 central on cbs. some of the richest people last night, it's spelled qat q-a-t-a q-a-t-a-r. can you say it? how do you pronounce it anyway? "60 minutes" goes over time to show us. you're watching "cbs this morning."

you didn't put the honest revenue figure down. you left out marketing costs? it just -- it seemed like a bush league mistake. >> i don't think it's fair to say it wasn't an honest revenue. revenue figure. bush league mistake that our auditors looked at and thought -- like smart people can get this stuff wrong. we're inventing a new industry. >> that was part of last night's

"60 minutes" story investigating the finances of a daily deal company groupon. of 0 minutes reported about a tiny middle eastern nation where everyone gets free healthcare, education and electricity. >> the name of this country depends who you talk to. as bob simon found out for "60 minutes" overtime. >> were in qatar right now, aren't we in. >> that's the population of qatar. >> ka qatar. >> bob you came back from the middle east. tell us once and for all how to say it. is it qatar? cutter, or cat-ar. >> which one do you like? they all work? they know that none of us can pronounce it the way they pronounce it. >> even they seem to say it differently from one interview to the next. >> qatar has been pronounced 18 different ways. how do you pronounce it? >> how do we pronounce it.

>> >> how do you pronounce the country we're in. >> qatar. >> my wife was trying to pronounce it as qatarment. that's a classical pronunciation. >> do you think most americans on the street have heard of this country? >> not at all aside from being rich, it's insignificant until recently. >> qatar is about to enter the world stage because they were just awarded this major event. >> they're joyed at getting the world cup. it's difficult to find words for it do you know who they beat ut for the world cup? >> the united states. >> wonder how they did that. >> i think they did it by making a really impressive show. they spent millions creating a

building where they had a panoramic view of their plans. you're sitting in an auditorium and there is this video turning around you. and it shows you their fantasies of the world cup. it's really impressive. >> i would imagine people here are going to be learning how to say the name qatar soon. >> say it again. >> qatar. >> qatar. with the emphasis on the first syllable. then nobody will make fun of me except my wife. [ laughter ] >> i'm going with qatar. >> i'm going with qatar rhymes with guitar. >> sounds like the way my son says guitar. >> i'll reconsider. go with him. >> should i say i was at the mall this weekend and so many people came up to me and said charlie to do. i have five remedies. >> tell people if you're okay. >> they sent e-mails as well. >> i'm okay.

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