it is tuesday, january 24th, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. mitt romney leased his tax returns and goes on the attack in florida and president obama releases his state of the ruin onaddress tonight. and gop rising star congressman paul ryan gives us his take. i'm gayle king. coach paterno's son and daughter in law talk about their dad. i'm erica hill. an ex-cia officer is charged with blowing the cover of his former kol leaks for a book deal. newly released tapes of john

f. kennedy. we begin with a look at today's eye opener, your world in 90 seconds. >> i'm not going to sit back and get attacked day in and day out without returning fire. mitt romney fires back in a florida debate. >> the speaker was given an opportunity to be our leader in 1994 and at the end he had to resign in disgrace. >> you're walking around the state saying things that are untrue. >> they said the gloves are off. or as he said, jeeves, be a good chap and release my opera gloves. >> i'm not going to apologize for success. >> i'd like to bring everyone else down to mitt's rate. >> rough and tumble. it's not twidly winks. alabama residents pick up the pieces after the tornado leaves two dead. a massive solar flare will

slam into the earth this morning. 45 hours of new audio tape from jfk's final days are released. senator joan kerry is sporting a black eye as some kind of hockey warrior. >> follow that. >>.gov. it's going to b-hopping tonight. >> look out, lady. all that on "cbs this morning." captioning funded by cbs first thing this morning the republican presidential candidates slug it out in florida. >> mitt romney took out newt gingrich. cbs news political correspondent jan crawford is in tampa, the scene of last night's debate.

jan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. going into that debate last night, mitt romney had a lot to lose. remember, in south carolina, he just saw his lead evaporate after those two strong debate performances by newt gingrich. so last night romney went on the offensive. >> i learned something from that last contest in south carolina, and that was i had incoming from all directions, was overwhelmed with a lot of the attacks and i'm not going to sit back and get attacked day in and day out without returning fire. >> reporter: romney immediately went after gingrich says he couldn't win. >> i don't think he could possibly take the white house. >> reporter: he was arguing that gingrich was just another washington insider who lobbying on behalf of a mortgage giant who helped trigger the housing crisis. gingrich took issue with that. >> you've been walking around this state saying things that are untrue. >> reporter: and gingrich sent

his records from the contract back him up. >> i had a very long career trying to represent the people of georgia and as speaker the people of the united states. i think it's pretty clear to say that i have never, ever gone and done any lobbying -- >> reporter: as for records, romney was also taxed on his tax returns which he is releasing today. rajny made over $40 mill in the last two years almost all from investments. he paid $6.2 million in federal taxes and gave $7 million in charity. his tax rate, 13.9% in 2010. >> do you see how complicated taxes can be, but i pay all the taxes that are legally required, and not a dollar more. >> reporter: the debate was mainly romney and gingrich and lacked fireworks of previous debate that gave former pennsylvania senator rick santorum an opening to attack them both. >> there is no difference between president obama and these two gentlemen.

>> reporter: while texas congress manl ron paul insists he could lead the party forward. >> you talk about electability. >> reporter: now, gingrich's entire campaign has been fueled by these debates. he finished fourth in iowa, but, remember, there were no debates in the two weeks leading up to voting there. and then, of course, he won south carolina after those two huge debate performances. so last night wu really an opportunity for him to tee up florida and this state, and he really fell flat. instead it was romney who was crisp, authoritative. i think it was probably romney's best debate performance so far. >> speaking of governor romney, at long last he is releasing his tax returns. he's been asked many time over the years to do that. what does he fear, and what is in there that his opponents might take advantage of? >> reporter: well, charlie,

we're seeing democrats already trying to take issue with this. yesterday the white house spokesman alluded to romney saying that president obama does not think that billionaires should get this lower rate, the same rate that working class americans get. this will be an issue that the obama re-election team can really make something out of, but for republicans it's a little trickier, because they would bring the taxes down. and as romney said last night to newt gingrich, under your plan, your proposal, i would pay zero in taxes. >> jan, thanks very much. tonight president obama delivers the state of the union address. it is his chance to set the stage for the rest of the presidential campaign. chief white house correspondent norah o'donnell joins us. what do you know -- as we get ready for this, what do we know that the president is going to say that might lead to the beginning of the campaign? >> reporter: good morning. advisers i spoke with describe this as an incredibly ambitious speech and they know how high

the stakes. there will be no other speech where the president has the attention of tens of millions of americans where he can make his case for his vision in this election year. now, the president's advisers say the title of this speech is an america built to last. the president will be building on the themes of a speech he gave in kansas just last month where he really addressed the issue of economic inequality and he talked about a make-or-break moment for the middle class. expect him to talk about taxing of the millionaires and billiers. he'll talk about manufacturing, skills for workers, and a whole issue built around america values. that's what this whole speech sits on. and he'll going lay on a lot of thick policy proposals that he's then going to lay out in the next three days when he makes stops to five different states putting more meat on the bones of what the president says tonight. >> so, norah, to that point, there's going to be a lot of people trying to decide whether this is a speech about policy or

a speech about his campaign. i guess we can guess how the white house will spin it. >> reporter: that's exactly right. it will be thick with policy, but make no mistake. this is a political speech in an election year where the president can speak directly to millions of americans, and he's going to draw distinctions with the republicans, and he is also going to try to appeal to those independent voters who are overwhelmingly disappointed with the president's record on the economy. >> norah o'donnell, thank you. cbs will have live coverage of the state of the union address and the republicans' response. we begin with senior adviser david plouffe. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. >> what can the president say this evening that might bring paul ryan to work with him on issues that concern the country? >> well, what the president's going to lay out tonight,

charlie, at this make-or-break moment for the middle class is a blueprint how to build an economy that was built to last. we saw an economy built on bad debt and financial instruments. that didn't work. it caused a crash and we're still recovering from it. we know what to do here. 2011 was the best job-producing year since 2005. but given the hole that the recession caused, we even got so much more work to do. investing in american manufacturing, making sure we're seizing a new era of american energy, working on the skills and educations for our workers and renewals of american values. >> as you cite those, thing you must know speaker boehner says this is simply a rehash and it will not fly in the white house. >> listen. speaker boehner and ryan will hopefully listen to the ideas tonight. they're ideas that have been embraced by both parties,

commonsense ideas. having the wealthy pay their fair share is something we're paying more attention to. last year it was a tough year, a lot of gridlock and a lot of we were able to cut taxes, pa cut a tax deal and self fords and chevies in south korea. we've made progress. there's no question they don't want a repeat of last year. and so even though this is an election year, we have to find every opportunity to make progress not just on the economy as a whole, which is so important, but also specifically how do we strengthen the middle class. and i think there are some areas we can work together. >> one issue will be tax reform, and as you know, fairness is a theme the president has articulated in kansas. is effective voting a 15% tax rate that mitt romney has said he paid your judgment of what is fair? >> well, listen. there's 47 more republican primaries and caucuses, so those voters are going to have their

ability in weigh in on that question exactly. there is a question warren buffett talked about. somebody like him shouldn't be paying less tax rates than a secretary tair. he's going to lay out what he describes as the buffett rule in some more detail and how that would work. listen, we want to reward entrepreneurs and success. that's what america's about. as we look, how do we close our deficit and promote the middle class, we have to have a tax code that's more simple but more fair. we can't have people paying 50, 60, 100, $200,000 a year. >> as reagan once said, are you better off than you were four years ago, americans should ask themselves that now. can they look at four years of the obama administration and say we're better off and we're prepared to have this election, a referendum on president obama's performance rather than a referendum on our promises that we're making in the state of the union?

>> well, listen. we're happy to have this ref remember dumm on what we've done. let's remember we were in something that rivalled the great depression, and that wasn't just an accident. there were policies that caused it. so do you want to go back to those policies? do you want to have wall street write its own rules and have it skewered toward the policy and have trickle down. the people don't want to go back to that. the question is do we want to see the progress that was made again. 3 million jobs over the past 22 months, charlie, but also the ideas the president has. how do we continue to grow economically, but what lies underneath that. american manufacturing, american energy and the skills we need. we're happy to have a debate about what the president's done and the differences between where we want to take the country and our eventual proponent. there's a lot of work to get done, and what the president is going to lay out tonight are

very specific ideas, very specific ideas about how we continue to make progress of the middle class. >> these are all important questions and we ought to debate them. i'd invite you to come to the table and engage the conversation about the issues that the american people will need to decide on in the coming election. thanks. >> thank you, charlie. i hope to do that. congress paul ryan. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. welcome on the new gig. >> thank you very much. that's what we call it here, the new gig. let me ask you. did you hear what david plouffe said, and do you expect there's a willingness on the part of the republicans to listen carefully and see if the president in wanting to reform taxes, wanting to consider investments in the future might be common ground? >> well, i heard what he said. it sounds like we're going to get more of the same, charlie. i think norah o'donnell pegged it. it's going to be a very political speech. we've heard the same kind of rhetoric before and look at the

kind of results we're getting. looks like it's going to be a spending wish list and taxes which proportionately hit smaller businesses. why is he opposing the keystone pipeline? why is he proposed new tax increases on manufacturers? >> so, again, the rhetoric just doesn't quite meet the substance, and that's our concern. i don't think the president can run on his record. it's not good. i don't think he's going to change his ideology, so i think he's going to resort to his divisiveness. that's what's concerning to me. at least what we're seeing coming before us is politically divisive agenda. today marks 1,000 days since the senate bothered trying to pass a budget. we have an economic and debt crisis which only can be addressed if congress gets to work and pass a budget, but his party hasn't passed a budget in

1,000 days. >> as you say that, there's a man leading the republican primary race in florida who describes your efforts as social engineering. speaker gingrich in an earlier conversation, as you well know, said what you propose to do in terms of cuts and medicare and other programs proposed by you, social engineering. >> if you check the tape, he actually took it back. charlie, here's the issue. medicare is going bankrupt. the president's new health care law puts 15 unelected unaccountable bureaucrat this year in charge of price controlling and therefore rationing medicare. what we have said is don't make changes to people 55 and above but save the bankruptcy for 55, 54 and below and the way we propose to do that is have it set up the way employees have. it's an issue that's gaining traction and has bipartisan

support here in the capital. so this is something where we have put ideas on the table. solutions, not jest res writ. >> the other idea that's getting attention is this idea of having the wealthy pay more taxes. there's an overwhelming na jort in favor of it. most recently 68% support raising income taxes. is that something that you could perhaps at least have a conversation about? >> well, see, here's the issue, erica. what people just don't realize when they're given these poll questions is most small businesses pay their taxes as individuals. eight out of ten american businesses file as individuals. nine out of ten from wisconsin. and so what that ends up doing is it raises tax rates on successful small businesses. they can go as high as 45% in a year from now. and the problem, erica, is these tax increases that the

president's talking about, the money doesn't go to reduce the deficit. it only covers 8% of the president's proposed spending spree. the other 92% of the president's spending is on borrowed money. we're not talking about closing a fiscal gap. we're talking about taxing and spending. i have a better idea, erica, which would be far better for our budget. why don't we subsidize less, stop core rat welfare and cron y capitalism. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. good to see you, too, erica. we want to follow up on a story we brought to you yesterday from alabama. they're still searching for people. it damaged nearly 500 homes in the birmingham area. at least 200 were killed, 100 injured. in the meantime utah over the weekend snow and ice caused some serious trouble on the

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romney and gingrich in it for the long haul. seems crazy. well, at least republicans have to be happy. >> romney is looking soulless. >> newt gingrich is the least conservative and the least electable. >> newt is not a conservative. he sold us out on taxes. >> i think i can settle this interparty squabble. you're all right. they're both terrible. >> time now to show you some of the morning's headlines around the dwloeb. we begin with "the times" of london. they told police in 2002 that

they were listening to voice mails. rupert murdoch's newspaper had to shut down. seniors working well past retirement age. nearly 18% of people over the age of 65 have jobs. so do p.5% of those 75 and up. in the "los angeles times," a picture, not a headline caught our eye. a giant explosion on the sun is sending radiation our way. this is the strongest geomagnetic storm in years and it could disrupt satellites and air travel. it could even cause power blackouts. and finally this from the "new york post," a new york high school has school crossing paintpain painted on the street outside. s-h-c-o-o-l. school didn't notice it for months. president kennedy's auto tapes just being released. they show him making a schedule for the day he was buried.

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i called up my pop and i said, hey, dad, i'm going to coach. he said, you're going to coach? he said, what did you go to college for? i said i think i can do a good job here. he said, well, you make sure you have an impact. don't waste your time. >> that was joe paterno talking to me in 2006 talking about the day he decided to be a football coach, and it changed his life forever. welcome back to "cbs this morning." this afternoon penn state university is holding a wake for paterno. he died on sunday from complications from lung cancer. two months after his record-setting career were cut short when he was fired in a scandal involving his former top assistant. >> two of his children are here

at penn state college. thank you for taking time to talk with us. talk for a moment about his legacy and what these last years have been for him. >> well, his legacy is going to be in his five children and 17 grand children and certainly the hundreds of players that he's coached over the years. what do we do with our lives and what they do with their lives are going to be the thing that becomes a legacy for him. >> how do e these last weeks and controversy weigh on him and what impact did it have on him physically? >> you know, really he was very focused on the next chapter in his life. he was -- he was fighting. he was looking forward to what he had ahead of him. he was positive, confident, and was really enjoying this stage of his life. we had an 85th birthday about a month ago.

all 17 grand children, children and spouse. his birthday wish was not for us but the wish he had for that night, health, happiness, a great family, a loving family, and a strong family. and, really, the legacy of having lived your life the way you wanted to live it and done things the right way. >> the legacy's clearly there, and it speaks for itself and the players speak for themselves and the family speaks for itself. clearly this had to be hard for him and had to weigh on him. and did he feel he had an opportunity to put his own perspective on what had happened and to make any apologies or whatever he wanted to make? >> he was very much a forward-looking person. i was sharing with someone the other day that when we were -- when i was younger and until very recently my parents entertained after most games and win or lose, people would be there. no matter what happened, whether they won or lost, he was very focused. if there had been a loss and

they were saying whatever, he would say, aye, i'm worried about the next game. same thing if they won. you're great, what a great play. he'd say, that's over. i'm worried about the game next week. i think that's where he was. he was worrying about what he was doing next and what the next fight was. >> jay, there's been a lot of question as to whether penn state officials should be able to attend the memorial of your father. how do you as a family feel about that? >> well, i think the focus takes away on what we're trying to do the next couple of days. we're celebrating 61 years of penn state, 85 years of a life lived at a very high level of integrity, more reality at penn state. obviously we want all penn staters to feel welcome and all people who have supported the family through cards, letters, emotion, and the outpouring of support we've gotten, not just since the days he's died but

over the course of his 61 years. so this is an open celebration of really an incomparable and beautiful life. >> what do you think -- we talked a lot about it and charlie touched on his legacy in the greater world, among the penn state alum, those who admired him as a coach. talk about his legacy personally, to you, his children and 17 grandchildren. what will they remember? >> i think what you're going to see is as we get past the next couple of days and celebrate his life, the legacy that's going to remain is his sense of personal excellences, what really came through. he believed that success was something people outside of you put on you and defined you, but your personal excellence is really what you were all about, and that's a lesson i've hear from him and players have heard from him and penn staters have heard from him and they've tried to maintain that and he has. i think there's never been a

question he's always done the right thing and i think that will come shining through. >> i would add, too, in the several days leading up to his passing that his legacy became very apparent in his children and grandchildren. he had always taught us commitment loyalty. we were all very loyal to each other. and the way the 17 grandchildren handled watching this transpire, they were all -- his values were clearly coming through and their bash and how they handled themselves and the kinds of things they said to him as we were saying good-bye. >> as he was saying his good-bye to all of you, what did he most want to say? >> he was most concerned about all of us. i think even up to a couple of days ago i was in visiting him, and he was sort of saying, go home, take care of your family, i'll be fine, don't worry about me hchl e was always more concerned about o'people. >> jay and mary kay, i really

preach your time. again, our condolences. >> thank you. a former cia official is charged with leaking secrets and potentially putting other agents' lives at risk. joran miller goes inside the case. and tomorrowhouse republican leader eric cantor will be here. he'll respond to the president's state of the union address. you're watching "cbs this morning." stay with us. ♪ [ female announcer ] philadelphia cooking creme. a simple way to make dinner fresh and new again. creamy philadelphia along with savory herbs and spices. just stir it in. now it only takes a moment to make the moment. ♪ living the life with me ♪ so spread a little something ♪ to remember ♪

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former cia officer john kier a coo once helped track down a suspected al qaeda leader. on monday he was charged with leaking classified information and also the names of cia colleag colleagues. >> john miller is with us. he is a former cia official and police official. welcome. >> hello. >> what can you tell us about this. >> this is so unusual. here's a former cia case officer who was on the scene in pakistan for the capture of top al qaeda leaders who gave up the names of

two cia employees, one of whom was a covert operator, the other of whom was right in the middle of capture of key al qaeda leaders. >> how did he give up the names? >> well, he gave them up in interviews, in e-mails, and in conversations with reporters. >> and the reporters were named in "the new york times" as well. >> that's right. >> now they're going after him. >> yes. and think that the league crux here is when you're a cia officer or work for any intelligence agency, and i had to sign the same sheets and documents working for the intelligence agency numerous times, you swear that what you learn in the course of what's classified remains so until you're told otherwise. that's a legal agreement. >> is this a guy who did this in order to injure someone or did this in the pursuit of a reckless book deal? >> that's an interesting question.

after his career, he got a job on the "kite runner," the famous movie. he was security and consults because they were filming around afghanistan. everybody said you've got to write a book and after that would come a movie. the question was how can i raise my profile so this book can get sold. he cold called a number of reporters and said i'ving got information for you. >> basically it came down to money. >> basically it came down to money and kind of a scream for self-promotion for deals. >> on a grander scale you sign these documents obviously to protect intelligence but also your colleagues. what happened to the people he outed. >> one of the people he outed is somebody i worked with every day in the intelligence community who was an extraordinarily good case officer. and what happens is, a, you're not going to work undercover anywhere in the world. you're not going to be able to

travel. be the other risk is that foreign governments are able to kind of track backward and say, well, when was this guy here and where did he say and who was he with and who were his sources and who could he have met with and what associations did he have with the people in our government and were they sources. so it actually can be dangerous. >> so you approve of what the government's trying to do here. >> i don't approve of anything or disapprove. i'm a reporter. >> but as a friend. this has a personal thing for you. >> the reporters who pulled this information out, they're doing their job. the defense lawyers who pulled this information out -- and the names and frats ended up in the cells of al qaeda detainees in g guantanamo. >> what do we learn that went on in these kinds of interrogations that's going to surprise us? >> i don't think anything is

going to surprise us. we do know these guys were waterboarded some 83 times. that's the question that drove this story, which is kiriakou can provide that information. he was very much for it and when the tide turned he said he wasn't very much for it and it didn't work. >> is this a warning signal for those who are thinking about this that you'd better know you're going to face serious prosecution by the government? >> it is. and the obama administration saying we're going to protect whistle blowers and so on, this is their sixth case, probably more than the bush add administration going after people who leaked to reporters. >> john miller,

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gayle king is in the control room for a look what's coming up in the next hour. gayle. >> charlie, i'm live and in color. ten seconds ago we didn't even have a camera. the last of john f. kennedy's private tapes were released. what's on them? senior correspondent bill plante will tell us. and walter isaacson will talk with us. he wrote the biography of him. we're going to try something new today. after being on the air for two weeks, everything is new. they're announcing the academy awards nominations. while you're sitting at home, we'll comment together. we'll see them for the first time together live. and nancy o'dell will report from entertainment tonight in los angeles. i think charlie's pulling for george. we'll be right back.

♪ >> that is a quick-thinking violinist right there. he's interrupted by a cell phone during his concert in poland. you saw what he did. he played the ring tone right back. it's 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. charlie, who says violinists are stuffy. i liked the quick thinking of the guy. >> and god bless youtube. a piece of history has just

been made public. it's the final batch of secret tapes from john f. kennedy. >> senior correspondent bill plant has the story. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, gayle. it's kind of eerie to hear president kennedy in his final days. they were the last he made in the oval office and on the phone. jfk may have been intended to use for a memoir, but they now give us a new window on the final three months of his presidency. nearly 50 years after jfk's death, the final release of his personal recordings, 45 hours of tape, chronicling the end of his life before the assassination. >> president kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. central standard time. >> reporter: three days before in dallas, a particularly ominous note. he asks staffers to schedule a meeting and at one point he makes a haunting reference on the day in which his kennedy will be held.

the tapes were a secret from even his closest aides. they document kennedy's private meetings and phone calls with in-depth discussions and key events of the day, including upcoming 1964 election, u.s. soviet relations, and the vietnam war. there are light-hearted moments as well. you can hear clearly the sounds of the president's children playing near the oval office as he introduced them to soviet foreign minister. >> say hello to my daughter and son. say hello. >> this shows the president incredibly vigorous, able to make at one hand the strongest policy statements and then crack a joke at the next minute.

>> reporter: for historians it provides a rare insight for the time that became known as camelot. >> because he couldn't write a memoir, these tapes are his autobiography of the white house, if you'd like. their value can't be overestimated. >> reporter: lindin johnson and richard nixon also made personal audio tapes and it was only during the watergate hearings years ago that jfk did as well. his tapes seemed to have fewer bombshells than nixon or johnson's, yet they still showed the private side of the public personnel in the oval office. charlie, gayle? >> thank you very much. walter isaacson is with us hchl e has written several biographies. his latest is on steve jobs. ben franklin, no conversation. what do you think of having this kind of material from the president's own words as source material and understanding of

what its like to be in the white house. >> those of us who like to write biography, we yearn for the days when people used to tape themselves. richard nixons messes up with the water gate tapes. but if you listen to the johnson tapes, the kennedy tapes, the nixon tapes, there's a lot, including phone conversations he had especially with civil rights and others, these give you great source of history. we used to have generally diaries. we used to have letters. we used to have tapes. we used to have e-mails. but now people doan do e-mails. so it's pretty hard which is why when you're doing biography, you have to sort of do a subject and try to talk to them, get that first draft to history. >> speaking of biographies, you had this wonderful opportunity with steve jobs and it went right up to tend. have you learned things since his death that you would have loved to have put into the book?

>> no, not really. there were a lot of things steve jobs told me that i was concerned about because they were products, the textbook. the idea that you could disrupt the textbook industry and have these, you know, interactive tacts. he was passionately committed to that and because these were future products, i think it was, you know, incumbent on apple to announce how they were going to do it, everything we've seen so far is the dna of steven jobs is still connected to apple. >> the profits are coming out, walter, this week. i think it's up 6%. how is the company able to do so well without the co-founder and visionary of steve jobs. >> the last board meeting he resigned as ceo and they sort of made fun of hue lit packard for getting out of the tablet and

business. he said, wait a minute. they gave me my start. don't laugh at them, these bozos who messed up their company. i don't want that to happen here. he infused something at apple, being at the center of creativity and technology. i think that will be here for a while. >> can i talk with you about the book for a second? i got it when it first came out. it was at the airport. ten people had the book. we all looked at each other knowingly, yeah, yeah, yeah, i'm reading it too, i'm reading it too. he comes across so prickly to me, so unexpected to me, and a little bit mean. >> he believed that the normal rules didn't exactly apply to him. you know, even little things like not putting a license plate on his car. now, you may think, you know, that -- and certainly he was sometimes really rough on

people. he would just get furious -- >> a little rough on people? >> he'd look at the slot drive they put in the new imac, and he's so emotional. he wanted it to be perfect. >> perfect. >> yeah. now, i think that's inextricably connected to who he was. if you want a pure nice guy, i've written a biography about ben franklin. he was a nice guy. steve jobs has a passion for perfection. that was ingrained in him. >> did you get any answers to questions about him? >> yeah. >> such as? >> i kept trying to push him. never quite got an answer. >> what's the next project? >> you know, i was thinking of doing ada love lais, a mathematician, daughter of lord byron, standing at the center of poetry and processors and the early computers. may do that, but i might extend it to the whole notion of -- >> do you think you've ever have an opportunity like you did with steve jobs again?

>> i don't know. after henry kissinger, i thought i'm nerve going do that again. >> there's a story that president clinton approached you. he said, how about -- >> steve jobs definitely approached me. people have talked to clinton about it but he didn't approach me. i think he's, you know, kicking around whether he's going to write his own. he's done memoirs, but there's still the clinton presidency to write. let me deflect that question. >> you're deflecting very well. >> no, no, no. the answer is, no, he never said, please write my biography. >> but something happened there, didn't it? >> no. think it's an interesting project to take on and i think at some poilkt he's going to look for somebody, but i'm hem not that person. >> might you at some point be the person? >> no, i doentz thin't think so charlie. i don't -- >> i refuse to answer on the

grounds it may tend to incriminate me. steve jobs said one of the reasons why he approached you is because you can get people to tauchlkt i'm wondering what that skill is, walter, that you can get people to talk with you. >> ask charlie. >> no. we're sitting at the table with the master. i was fascinated by all the people he could have gone to and he came to you. he said, i believe you -- you told the story, warts and all. >> he said, be honest. he didn't say be mean. he was brutally honest and he kept pushing me to be honest in the book. i think the question is -- it's like the john f. kennedy tapes. you have to interview people. i've been a journalist my whole life. i love listening to people. and by the end of our 40, 50 interviews, steve just kept talking and talking. >> my theory of the case is steve jobs loved the idea that the man who wrote the biography of ben franklin and the man who wrote the biography of einstein was a perfect person to write

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this morning government officials are close to a deal with america's five biggest banks over their mortgage and foreclosure practices. business correspondent rebecca jarvis says it could put some money in your pocket. emphasis on could. so what exactly are we talking about in terms of a possible settlement? >> as gayle said the five largest banks, bank of america, jpmorgan, citigroup, wells fargo, they could turn around and help those facing foreclosure or are facing foreclosure and in exchange for

that banks get a cleared green light to proceed with business. they're not going to get sued in the future for deceptive pr practices that they may or may not have performed. >> what exactly was done? >> one of the things that has been talked about a lot is robo-signings. people getting pushed through the foreclosure process without the banks actually paying attention to the details because there was such a huge volume of foreclosures coming through the pipelines. banks couldn't handle them. banks signed off. that's the claim. >> if you look at this, if it's agreed upon, who qualifies? >> it qualifies for privately health mortgages issued between 2008 and 2011, no fannie and freddie mortgages would apply. that's about half of the mortgage market. if you do qualify, there's a couple of things you may get as an american homeowner. for one, if you own a home and you're facing foreclosure, about a million people could get a

$20,000. victims of improper foreclosures could get $1,800 because they've been foreclosed on and refinancing at 5.25%. which is a little above the rate where it is now for the mortgage but better than what a lot of people are paying and because their mortgage has been under water they haven't been able to refinance. >> how likely is this? >> it's going to be difficult. right now you have a number of states who have to agree to this. california has already dropped out of the process at this moment in time. they want the ability to go back and sue the banks if they believe the banks have done improper things. under the settlement agreement they're only going to do it if they get the clear signal. there is still a very contentious debate. >> we want you to stop talking because we want to wish you happy marriage.

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so, where to next? ♪ welcome back to "cbs this morning." there is promising medical news this morning for patients losing their sight. >> medical doctors may have found a way to reverse the blindness in older people, but it may need a lot more testing. >> medical correspondent jon lapook takes a look at the

brand-new stem cell treatment. >> i didn't have a real serious problem until about six years ago. >> reporter: when 78-year-old sue freeman starting losing her eyesight to macular degeneration, more of her eyesight started to dim. >> it was so active. i think i shut down more than i thought i did. i didn't want to make plans with friends anymore. gave up driving three years ago. that's the hardest. that was really the hardest. >> macular degeneration destroys rpe cells that are responsible for sharp detailed central vision. freeman had the most common form nobody as dry macular degeneration. >> the treatments for dry macular degeneration really are very few the anything. there are no approved treatments for macular degeneration. >> reporter: dr. steven schwartz took embryonic stem cells that had been modified. he injected them into one of sue freeman's eyes. just two weeks later -- >> i said, oh, my god, i can see

my watch. it was a little blurry, but i said i can see the numbers. i was like, wow. this is incredible. >> in results just published, dr. schultz reports on a woman and sue freeman. >> we may be on the right track. >> the second patient asked that we not use her name. in this woman's case, dr. sharts saw the new cells had taken root in her retina. >> the other day i actually threaded a needle which i don't think i even done in a long time. >> dr. schwartz is starting a new trial. >> i'm really excited about the future. i'm -- it's my stage of life, but i'm excited. >> dr. jon lapook is with us. this is exciting. >> exciting. there are almost 2 million

americans with macular degeneration and another 7 million are on their way, so for them this is real hope. >> go ahead, erica. we all want to go. >> it's somewhat controversial because this deals with embryonic stem cells. >> that's right. human embryonic stem cells, and it should be clear that for some people this is the destruction of life, and certainly some people believe that, okay? this embryo was donated by a couple who had made as part of infertility treatment and it was leftover. it was going be discarded presumably. so on one hand people believe this is a destruction of life and on the other hand this represents people who have their only hope. parkinson's, blindless, paralysis. it's one thing when it's affecting your family. >> that's an ongoing political debateful what is interesting here is the medical possibility

of stem cell, and we've all been looking for the reality of the possibility and this may be the first glimmer of that. >> that's right. because a lot of things went right. people worry. you take stem cells and you put this in a person. they have the ability to differentiate in the body. you put it in the eye and it becomes an ear or a nose. they first differentiated it, tickled it to become something closer to the cell that was being destroyed. so they didn't feel it was a danger that it was going become a tumor. it wasn't rejected, didn't cause any kind of safety problems, so far, so good. >> it's only two patients. should we still be excited about it? >> the most exciting one was the second woman. they looked in the ba back of her retina and they looked in the back and saw the new cells were taking up home. she did this dramatic thing. by the way, no one asked her to do this before. i said cover your good eye first and she couldn't see.

she covered her bad eye and she was looking just with the good eye. and you should have seen her. >> what a feeling. >> she's discovering for the first part. >> to be pa rt of that moment, too. thanks. the oscars are our favorites. when we return, we will bring you the academy award

time now for the big event. we're about to head out to beverly hills where they're set to announce the nominations for the 84th annual academy awards. you can see the stage is set. everybody is ready to go. before we go live to the announcement we want to bring in november el lift kurt andersen, host of public radio 360. nice to have you here. >> a man who loves movies.

>> i do indeed. >> which is why we brought you in. >> which is why you're here. >> no one else loves movies? >> what is the one thing that would really surprise you this morning? >> oh, there are a lot of things would surprise me. if "the artist" for instance didn't get a nomination for best picture and many other thing, that would be a huge surprise. if george clooney wasn't nominated for best actor, if meryl streep weren't nominated for best actor. what's interesting to me for all movies is that very few of them are about america here and now. they're all about other places, other times, it's interesting in that way. >> have you seen most of them in the rubbing? >> i have. >> okay. here we go. we take you live to the ceremony in beverly hills. motion picture academy president tom shcherrascherrak.

i'm president of the academy. this morning we'll share the news we've all been waiting for. i'm very happy to be joined by one of last year's best actress nominees jennifer laws. >> thank you, tom. good morning, everyone. >> the 2011 nominees for best performance by an actress in a supporting role are vir rah bay joe, jessica, melissa mccarthy in bridesmaid janet in albert nobbs and octavia spencer in "the help." >> for best performance by an actor in a performing role, the nominees are kenneth branagh, jonah hill in money ball.

nick nolte in warrior. christopher plummer a christopher plummer. >> for best performance by an actor in a leading role, the nominees are glenn close in "albert nobbs," viola davis "the help," rooney mara. meryl streep in the iron laid and mir shell williams in my week with marilyn. >> nominees by the best supportinging ator in a leading role are damian bashir ya in a better life, george clooney in the "descendants," john due jar din in the artist and ting ter toil and brad pitt in the money ball. >> alexander tan for the "descendants," martin scorsese

for hugo. woodley allen for midnight in paris and terrance malick for the tree of life. >> that was the most expected predictable group so far. >> michelle for the artist. amy and kristen wiig for brieds maids. j.c. for marchand call. woody allen for midnight in paris. and as scar fa dars for separation. >> we have alexander payne and matt saxen and jim rush for the dtsz, john logan for hugo. george cluooneclooney. steve zalian for money ball. richard o'connor and peter strawn for tinker tailor soldier

spy. >> from belgium, from israel, footnote, from poland, in darkness, from canada, and from iran, a separation. >> that's the one i'd like to see. >> have you seen any of the other ones? >> no. >> a cat in paris. >> i like the title. >> do you like cats? >> i like cats. >> kung fu panda. jennifer nelson. "puss in boots," and "rango." >> finally film selected as best picture nominee -- >> here we go. >> steven spielberg and kathleen kennedy. "the artist" thomas langman, producer. "moneyball," michael de-luca,

rachel and brad pitt, the producers. the "descendants," jim burke, alexander pain and jim taylor, producers. "the tree of life," nominees to be determined. >> no, "the help," no "the hugo." >> then we'll get it. >> yeah, there you go. >> that changed this year, ten, right? >> we didn't know exactly how many we had, yeah. >> i think it's 6-5, by the way. >> "extremely loud and incredibly thin." >> surprise. >> please join us on february 26th when we celebrate the magic of the movies. thank you. >> that's a big surprise. >> that it didn't get more. >> that it got nominated. >> "hugo is leading at this point with 11 nominations and "the artist has ten, these are films that the academy and hollywood really loves because it has a lot to do with old

hollywood and a love of film. >> intense nostalgia on a faentd life of movies. >> absolutely. >> as i was saying, the "descendants," really, is an extremely loud and incredibly close are about the only films in there that are realistic dramas about the present day. >> let's go out to los angeles where we have nancy o'dell there, nancy, what do you think? >> good morning. how are you, charlie? >> your reaction to what you just heard? >> el with, thing one of the biggest surprises is how well "hugo" did with the most nominations. best director, best movie. another shock, i think, no lie nar dough dicaprio. i think i'm going to have to start a campaign on his behalf. i think he deserves an oscar so much. also talking about martin score see city. it was his first 3 h difficult project, "hugo" was. i'm not surprised. everybody loves martin score e

ses sesay. >> who are the front runners? >> the artist -- certainly "the artist" is, i think, the movie to be. >> it has kind of momentum and kind of sentimental favorite because it reaches back in black and white? >> it does. but i would say there's no dispositive winner. it's a wide open group. i could pick five or six that would run. >> there's no clear runaway that can do this. >> i doan think so. >> nancy, take your pick. best actor or actress, how do you see those races in terms of who's the most likely to be in competition on the part where the people have a chance to vote? >> well, i would say best actor is definitely a shoo-in for george clooney. he won the golden globe, critics choice awards, which i think is a clear prewasser as well as the golden globes.

the last seven out of the eight actors who won -- >> and hollywood likes george. >> everyone likes george. i have to say a funny thing about him -- >> everybody loves george. >> i have to say something he told me on the golden globes red carpet. he said he was slightly depressed because of the golden globes come nom knees. he was the oldest. but gary oldman, that was a surprise nomination. he was the oldest. he can't say anymore. >> plus he's competing with his friend brad in "money pit." >> i know. that's true. and brad deserving as well. >> there are a number of categories, either films he was directly nominated for or involved with. >> directed and co-wroted "ides of march." >> why do you suppose leo wasn't nominated. everybody says the golden globe is a precurser -- >> it's not the best work by leo

decap preyeo. >> or clint eastwood. >> the golden globes are sort of a precursor to the oscars. how d thauz hold for 2012? >> well, actually the best picture winners for the golden globe were the "descendants" and "the artist." martin scorsese, michelle williams, george clooney, meryl streep. you'd have to count them among the top candidates. >> what about nancy -- what's the title? >> "extremely loud and incredibly close." are you surprised about them? >> i think that was surprising they were nominated. speaking of whether the golden dwloebs are a precursor, thing they are. they haven't been in years recently though. one out of seven golden globe winners have gone on to win best

picture, so they haven't been a great indicator of the past three years, but i do think the golden globe winners is between the decendents and the artist. >> can i just turn to best actress as well because you've got, you know, meryl is clearly there. you've got. >> viola. >> brilliant performance by viola davis in "help." what does that look like? >> rooney mara. >> i think the big competition is between viola and rooney and meryl. i think meryl is going to walk away with it. i think it's probably the voters, if they remember the last time she won an oscar was 30 years ago. that's hard to believe because she's nominated every year. it looks like she's won more but she's only one two. she's tied with hillary swank. meryl has been acting a lot longer. hillary is a wonderful actress but you would think meryl would

get it. michelle williams was fantastic in my week with marilyn. >> let me ask you, is this a good year for movie goers? >> i would say you've got ten good movies as best perfect nominees out of a year that was not the best year for movies is my view. >> what about "bridesmaids" making the cut? is that a big surprise? making the cut? "bridesmaids?" >> i don't think -- was it nominated? >> it was nominated for best picture. >> you know, i was -- i would be happy with anything that "bridesmaids" would do. i know melissa mccarthy is a fantastic actress and she's been getting a lot of critical acclaim. i love to see "bridesmaids," they've done really well getting nomination across the board by

different entitities. it's doing what the k"hangover" couldn't get do. >> they don't get the oscars. >> they don't. but melissa got the nod. we'll have much more coming up with

that does it for us, but before we go, the one person, the one film that you hope wins, what is your all-time favorite this year? >> you know, i think i need to see all of them, which i have not yet done before i can answer. >> i'm going say "the artist," because i watched it very reluctantly, but by the end i was hooked. but for you, charlie, what is george going to wear to the

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