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action. creighton and north carolina. "60 minutes" will be seen in its entirety immediately following the game, except on the west coast, where it will be seen at its regularly be seen at its regularly scheduled time. [the captioning on this program is provided as an independent service of the national captioning institute, inc., which is solely responsible for the accurate and complete transcription of program content. cbs, its parent and affiliated companies, and their respective agents and divisions are not responsible for the accuracy or completeness of any transcription or for any errors in transcription.] clark: one of the best types to shoot the three-point shot is off an offensive rebound because the defense is in the paint, and presence of mind by henson, and an easy look for bullock. jim: two at the line for kendall marshall. second in the nation. the only man with the better average assist per game on tuesday night in dayton, scott
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machado of iona. the gaels really looked so strong for a half against b.y.u. before the cougars pulled off the biggest comeback in ncaa tournament history, from 5 down to win. clark: hartsock carried them offensively in that second half. it was quite fascinating to see that kind of turnaround. can creighton have a similar turnaround? down 17. the only way it happens is if they're able to knock down some perimeter shots, because there will not be much gotten inside against henson, mcadoo, zeller when he's on the floor. jim: this is block number four by john henson. clark: good job by echinique to get his body into him. but zeller -- i'm sorry, henson breaks contact, and then with those inspector gadget type arms, denies the shot attempt.
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jim: and with the bad wrist, a left hand block. harrison. rattles out. henson touched it last. get coverage of the division i women's basketball tournament at ncaa.com/finalfour. clark: i thought coming into this game, creighton was going to have to make double digits from behind the three-point line. it's just so hard to get shots around the goal against north carolina. jim: 5-14, clark. here's echinique. oh, my goodness! he had to come back on henson and say wait a minute, not this time. clark: backed him down and posterized him! he got those bright pink tennis shoes off the ground there. wow. jim: henson.
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no. tapped out. to hairston. and he's hammered from behind by gibbs. even inspector gadget couldn't stop this one. clark: no. he backed him down and punched it. got his body into him. and i think he surprised henson. actually surprised me. jim: i know he did. clark: wow. double zero. that's a 10 on the richter scale. jim: harrison will get one more. that last foul on gibbs was just his first. and zeller is back on the floor.
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16-point margin here for the tar heels. 9:30 to play. clark: tar heels will be shooting free throws in the bonus. 24 free throw attempts per game. a huge advantage on the opposition in free throws made and attempted on the year. [whistle] jim: that's going to be just the second turnover in the last 70 minutes for stilman white. 70 minutes of action, goes back now some six or seven weeks, the freshman from wilmington, north carolina. he's been a nice surprise for them this year. actually will not be on the team the next two years. he's going to serve a mormon mission. he'll come back as a sophomore in the 2014-2015 season. clark: you think about how typically those young men that do the mormon mission, how they come back mature and developed after some time. [whistle] the mission will take a little bit of the basketball and
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physical conditioning away, but the maturity level and the seasoning will serve him well between the lines, i'm sure. jim: third foul on zeller. manigat will go to the line. sophomore from ottawa, ontario. this creighton team, first one for the bluejays program in 10 years and one day. a florida team just a couple of seasons removed from the championship game that had the likes of udonis haslem, david lee on that team, matt bonner, brett nelson, justin hamilton. a good team. clark: sure was. jim: they're going to try to get for the first time ever consecutive wins. and zeller will go to the line with a three-point opportunity.
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clark: i like that move by tyler zeller. usually on that side of the floor, he wants to go to his left shoulder for the jump hook. decides to go to the middle this time. comes back to his right hand. and makes the basket through contact from echinique. that's good action by tyler zeller, the a.c.c. player of the year. jim: even better, the academic all-america of the year. he is one of the finalists too for the lowe's senior class award, which will be announced in the final four in new orleans. clark: quite a few award candidates on this floor. kendall marshall, a cousy award finalist. doug mcdermott, a naismith award finalist. jim: smooth move there by antoine young. clark: creighton still hanging around here, jim. comfortable margin for north carolina. but they've got to continue to be sharp. and that's as simple as you can get right there. jim: henson to zeller.
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wonderful assist, as the two meet back at the other end of the floor. clark: carolina has so many ways to hurt you, jim. that size up front, the ununselfishness. [whistle] kendall marshall running things at the point. jim: a reach-in on bullock. his first. tyler zeller, last year he averaged 26 a game in the ncaa tournament. he's having another fine start to the 2012 tournament.
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jim: tonight on cbs begins with "60 minutes" and a report on a medical mystery called face blindness. plus, all-new episodes of "the amazing race," "the good wife" and "csi: miami," tonight on america's most watched network. a little summary here, clark kellogg. clark: very impressive by the tar heels. got on an immediate run. 52% shooting. they've knocked down six three-pointers, which is more than they averaged in makes on season. turnovers have been cut way down. and they are starting to wear down this creighton bluejays team. so much fire power, size, speed. they've got all the ingredients, jim. and the return of henson to the lineup with the improving play of james michael mcadoo. they'll have a tough time outdoing this front line.
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jim: there are a lot of parts to this team. a team that made it all the way to a regional final last year and lost to kentucky. we were there to see it, clark. up in newark, new jersey. been waiting for march to come around. some people thought they were in the regular season, maybe a little bit bored waiting to get to march. of course they had that game late in the regular season. blocked by echinique. under 10 on the shot clock. blew out duke in their first half at cameron. that's a foul. just three on the shot clock. it will be a 1-1 at the line. this year, enjoy more madness with coke zero. text "camp" to 2653 for a chance to attend an ultimate basketball camp with three of your friends. third foul on manigat.
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1-1 for marshall. seven minutes to go. if creighton is going to make a run, it's got to begin right now. clark: and it has to happen with three-point shooting, i think. jim: mcdermott. clark: working his way inside. jim: did a good job with that body. he's giving up size. clark: he knocked henson off balance just enough to keep him from being able to block that shot. mcdermott came out of that exchange grimacing. not sure what he hurt. but he aggravated something. jim: barnes short. mcdermott, his old high school teammate there with the rebound. clark: if you're creighton, you'd like to get it down --
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oh, errant pass. jim: look out. clark: love the way that young man extends defensively and gets into the passing lane. not many 6'8," 6'9" power forwards can do that, jim. there he is again pressuring mcdermott, way out on the floor. jim: mcdermott again. echinique did a good job of shielding henson from being able to make a swipe at that. mcadoo. took a chance. no. on the floor, echinique. here's young. the only player who won't be returning next year for the bluejays. he's a senior. three-point shot.
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yes. and it's down to 12 with 5:15 to play. clark: excellent three-point shooter, manigat. 49% he shot in the conference game. a little hope, a little life. as always, with the three-point shot, you can get a lead, but you've got to get stops as well. jim: there was a mini run brewing by creighton, and then harrison barnes just loaded up as calmly as could be. clark: put a stop sign on that run. jim: mcdermott wants it back, though. and it is all cara underneath with bullock. carolina led by eight at halftime. the lead swelled to 19 at one time. clark: basically been in that
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tbs at 6:00 p.m. followed by double-headers on both cbs and tbs. coach mcdermott in his second year had been the coach at northern iowa where he played and where he met his wife teresa. there is teresa. six years ago was diagnosed with breast cancer. she's a breast cancer survivor. talking to coach mcdermott about how sweet this season has been. as you see echinique, by the way, playing with the pink sneakers as a tribute to teresa mcdermott. coach mcdermott saying you know the wins i've found weren't as sweet and the losses weren't as hard. completely changed perspective of him. clark: understandable that that would be the case, jim. jim: absolutely. big things for this program. and they're going to be really good next year.
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this is the lone senior coming up with the ball. clark: the taste of a tournament win, the first for greg mcdermott of creighton was in early 2000. so an opportunity to be fueled by this experience in the off-season. josh jones buries a triple. swrim jim hometown kid for the creighton program out of omaha. clark: it will be fun to watch the creighton team and these young men develop. look at mcadoo work that class. and barnes cleans it up. that's where they're so good. so many guys that can get to that offensive glass. jim: barnes had 17, 10 of them coming here in the second half. clark: those two big threes basically stiff armed any run that creighton was going to make. maybe not. jim: jones with back-to-back buckets. "60 minutes" coming up next
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except for those of you on the west coast, you'll see it at your normal time. zeller. flipping it. loves that shot. clark: great to have a go-to move when you're seven feet tall and as agile as him. and an excellent free-thrower as well. jim: jones has made hoops the last two trips. not this time. able to jar it out of the hands of mcadoo. back down low. zell we are the rejection. three tar heels on him, and he'll go to the line.
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state-louisville. marquette going to be against florida. florida winning in a runaway. n.c. state is going to be there. a little a.c.c. flavor there in the dome in st. louis. mcdermott at the line to shoot a couple. he's got 18 on the game. the missouri valley player of the year, just a sophomore, the first ever sophomore out of that conference to win the most outstanding player award. some of the biggest names too in basketball history came through there, names like byrd and oscar robertson. clark: the big o. a couple final fours at cincinnati before the ber cats went on to win back-to-back titles in 1961 and 1962. jim: could be a little ohio state-cincinnati sweet 16 match-up. who knows? clark: leonard hamilton's team has had a fantastic year and
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will be a formidable opponent for the bearkats, the number three seed in that region. jim: a little rematch of some championship games from 50 years back. as jones picks up his second, and bullock will go to the line. we're in the double bonus now. clark: impress i -- impress i -- impressive here by north carolina. james michael mcadoo has nine. jim: ohio and south florida playing right now. clark: tied up on tbs. we're even at 12-12. jim: nick kellogg starring for the bobcats. the winner of that game will be playing north carolina friday night in st. louis. clark: will be nice to see the bobcats have that opportunity.
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a long way to go in that one, though. jim: here's jones. [whistle] clark: they'll probably try to foul. this most likely will be the last intentional foul, i think, down 14, 74 seconds to go. creighton just didn't have enough going from the perimeter today, jim, to have a chance to beat north carolina. clearly superior along the front line. once the tar heels got it going to start this second half -- as white knocks down the free throw, it was all she wrote for the bluejays. game effort but not nearly enough shot making and execution. jim: so now they empty the bench on the creighton side.
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dingman returns. clark: beautiful look here at the emotion between player and coach. gregory echinique. jim: watching the studio the last four days, watching the sound bytes, i've never seen more outpouring of emotion in these post-game press conferences than i have this -- clark: i agree. it's been real, it's been poignant. it's been something to behold. shows you the kind of relationships these players have with each other, with their coaches, and with the game. special. jim: mcadoo short. had the ball swiped away by dingman, who scored at the other end.
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avery dingman, the freshman. clark: impressive, carolina only had a couple turnovers in this second half, jim. i've got them for a total of nine now. [whistle] jim: carolina is going to call a time-out to get these young kids on to the floor, give them a chance to get in the books. simmons comes out on to the floor. crouch as well. hubert, hairston, and white. roy williams says we take care of our own. that's what bruce springsteen will be singing tomorrow will this very same arena, as the boss will be the next one to perform here. carolina trailed by a total of two points for this weekend. they're advancing to st. louis.
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ernie: welcome back to our new york studios. north carolina advances to the sweet 16 for the fifth time in the last six years. tracy wolfson with roy williams. tracy: congratulations, coach. a team effort from top to bottom. but how important was it to have john henson back in the lineup tonight? >> well, it was huge for us. he scored, he rebounded, he blocked some shots. i didn't put him in there at the end because i didn't want take a chance on him getting hacked on his hand. kendall went down. i'm worried about his right wrist and right elbow. but it was a team effort for us. we're extremely happy. tracy: you're on to the sweet 16 once again. good luck. thank you.
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ernie: win number 31 on the season for the tar heels. they get south florida or ohio in the sweet 16. they get south florida or ohio in the sweet 16. back with more in a minute. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota, that's why there's guys like me. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪ helping you do what you do... even better. we are the tomorrow makers. we're making tomorrows like clockwork. ♪ for all the different things our customers planned for. like a college education. or, the perfect wedding. ♪ ♪ i love ya, tomorrow! [ male announcer ] we're making them a better financial future. what can we make with you?
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on trutv, around 8:00, lehigh and xavier. tnt around 8:40 has purdue and kansas. we wrap up the night, cincinnati and f.s.u. on tbs around 9:40. tonight on cbs begins with "60 minutes" and a report on a medical mystery called face blindness. that's followed by all-new episodes of "the amazing race," "the good wife" and "csi: miami." it's all coming up tonight only on cbs. for our entire march madness broadcast team, this is ernie johnson. good night from new york. ♪ ♪ you do ♪ something to me ♪ that nobody else could do ♪
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that contract is spacex. elon musk is the founder and c.e.o. is what we are experiencing at this moment in time the turning point in man's reach for space, going from governments to private companies like yours? >> elon musk: i think we're at the dawn of a new era, and it's... i think it's going to be very exciting. what we're hoping to do with spacex is to push the envelope and provide a reason for people to be excited and inspired to be human. >> pelley: musk is 40 years old, a naturalized american citizen, and reportedly worth nearly $2 billion. he isn't your typical corporate c.e.o. as a teenager, he wrote computer games in his native south africa, before immigrating to the u.s., and to silicon valley, where he was one of the most successful internet entrepreneurs, the co-founder of paypal. >> ladies and gentlemen, mr. elon musk. ( applause )
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>> pelley: despite a chorus of skeptics, musk built a car company called tesla that turns out 5,000 high-end all-electric cars a year. another musk company sells solar power systems. but his lifelong passion is space. and when ebay bought paypal in 2002, musk started looking for ways to launch his new fortune into orbit. >> musk: i went to russia to look at buying a refurbished icbm, which is a very trippy experience. it was very bizarre. yeah, when i tell people that, they have to, like, "what?!" ( laughs ) >> pelley: musk made three trips to russia, trying to buy an intercontinental ballistic missile called the dnieper. his plan was bizarre-- put a greenhouse on the rocket, land it on mars, and beam back the pictures. >> musk: it would get people really excited, and that would
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recharge human space exploration. that... that was my original idea. >> pelley: you just wanted to get people interested in space again? >> musk: yes. yes. >> pelley: capture the imagination. >> musk: yes. that was... that was the idea. >> pelley: turns out the dnieper was so expensive, his idea never flew, so musk decided that the only way to get an affordable rocket was to build it himself, and he started spacex. >> musk: the odds of me coming into the rocket business not knowing anything about rockets, not having ever built anything... i mean, i would have to be insane if i thouht the odds are in my favor. >> pelley: why even begin? >> musk: when something is important enough, you do it, even if the odds are not in your favor. >> pelley: how much of your personal fortune have you poured into this? >> musk: $100 million. >> pelley: and $100 million into something that you did not believe would work at the beginning. >> musk: yes. >> pelley: musk truly believes that low-cost space exploration is essential to the survival of mankind. >> musk: i think it's important that humanity become a multi- planet species. i think most people would agree that a future where we are a space-faring civilization is
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inspiring and exciting, compared with one where we are forever confined to earth until some eventual extinction event. that's really why i started spacex. >> pelley: spacex is housed in a sprawling factory near los angeles, where fuselages for boeing 747s used to be built. from its beginning ten years ago, its goal has been revolutionary change in rocket and spacecraft manufacturing. now, tell me what's that big piece right up there? >> musk: that's the second stage of a falcon nine rocket. >> pelley: instead of multiple companies building parts all across the country, spacex builds most of its rockets and spacecraft in-house, based on musk's belief that it's more efficient and lowers costs. 1,400 engineers and skilled technicians work here, building engines, rockets, space capsules, creating mostly from scratch the thousands of components that are the guts of a rocket.
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>> musk: so what that means is, raw metal comes in and then we build the engines, the airframe, the electronics. and we integrate all of that together, and that's all done, more or less, under one roof. >> pelley: metal comes in one end of this factory, spaceships come out the other. >> musk: yes. >> pelley: final assembly takes place at the cape canaveral launch pad. >> musk: if the margin is there and we don't have margin to the fourth power, then it's fine. >> pelley: musk has college degrees in business and physics, but spacex is his first venture in aerospace. he bills himself as chief designer and chief technology officer. how did you get the expertise to be the chief technology officer of a rocket ship company? >> musk: well, i do have a physics background. that's helpful as a foundation. and then, i read a lot of books and talked to a lot of... a lot of smart people. >> pelley: you're self-taught? >> musk: yeah. well... well, i... self-taught, yes, meaning i didn't... i don't have an aerospace degree.
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>> pelley: so, how did you go about acquiring the knowledge? >> musk: i read a lot of books, talked to a lot of people, and have a great team. >> pelley: his team is a mixture: there are newcomers-- mostly 30-something engineers, some of them straight out of college-- and then there are the skilled technicians and aerospace veterans. former nasa astronaut garrett reisman spent three months aboard the space station and flew on one of the final shuttle missions. he was brought in to help oversee the company's manned space work. you know, i'm curious-- you have so much background in engineering, you could have easily gotten a job at boeing or at lockheed, but you came here. >> garrett reisman: if you had a chance to go back in time and work with howard hughes when he was creating twa, if you had a chance to be there at that moment when it was the dawn of a brand new era, would... wouldn't you want to do that? i mean, that's... that's why i'm here. >> pelley: and that's why most of the engineers we met are here-- building spaceships is the chance of a lifetime.
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if you reach the point of having a successful manned flight, what will you have proven? >> we're not doing it to prove anything. ( laughs ) you know, we know it can be done. i think we're just trying to do it a little bit differently, a little bit faster, and to push the... push the fence a little bit farther out. >> and then we can all go... i mean, i want to go into space. i assume most people here do as well. ( laughter ) >> pelley: how many want to ride? ( laughter ) okay. everybody wants to go. >> caroline wants... >> caroline conley: i'm... i'm not so sure. ( laughter ) >> four, three, two, one... >> pelley: four years after starting, spacex rolled out its first rocket, an unmanned booster called the falcon one. >> falcon has cleared the tower. >> pelley: but the first three test flights failed to reach orbit. >> we are hearing from the launch control center that there has been an anomaly on the vehicle. >> pelley: when you had that third failure in a row, did you think, "i need to pack this in"? >> musk: never.
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>> pelley: why not? >> musk: i don't ever give up. i mean, i'd have to be dead or completely incapacitated. >> pelley: it turned out that the third failure was caused by a two-second glitch in the timing. eight weeks later, musk bet the company on another flight. >> we have lift-off. ( cheers and applause ) >> pelley: and this time around, everything worked. >> perfect. >> musk: if that fourth launch hadn't worked, that would have been it. we would have not had the resources to mount a fifth. >> pelley: you couldn't have gone on at that point? >> musk: yes. death would have been, i think, inevitable because we did not have the resources to mount a fifth launch. >> pelley: this is a tricky business. >> musk: tricky. ( laughs ) yeah, the... with... yeah. i wish it wasn't so hard. >> pelley: in 2010, spacex tested a larger, more powerful nine-engine rocket called the
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falcon 9, and an unmanned cargo capsule known as dragon. it was the first privately developed rocket designed to carry cargo and, eventually, astronauts to the space station. >> m-vac ignition confirmed. 3.2 kilometers per second. >> pelley: in its first test flight, the dragon capsule performed flawlessly, orbiting the earth twice before splashdown in the pacific, the first time a private company had launched and recovered its own spacecraft. and this is a historic spacecraft. >> musk: it is, yeah. >> pelley: we came across the dragon capsule while musk was showing us around. you know what i noticed about your cargo ship is that it has windows. >> musk: the windows are there in case there's an astronaut on board who wants to look up. >> pelley: but people don't put windows in cargo ships. >> musk: that's right. exactly. ( laughs ) >> pelley: so what that tells me is that this was never intended to be only a cargo ship. >> musk: no, it... no, the dragon was always

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