good morning. it is monday, march 26, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. rick santorum wins big in louisiana, then loses his cool with reporters over comments he made about mitt romney. >> quit distorting our words. if i see it, it's [ bleep ]. come on, man, what are you doing? >> you'll hear santorum's angry words only on "cbs this morning." we'll talk with the reporter about the confrontation. i'm erica hill. a candid moment caught on tape this morning. what president obama told a fellow world leader about this year's election. plus, how the future of health care in this country lies in the balance.

and i'm gayle king. protesters in florida mark one month since an unarmed teen abler was shot to death. we'll ask a friend of the shooter what they talked about over the weekend. first as we do every morning we begin with a look at today's eye opener, your world in 90 seconds. >> he is the worst republican in the country. to put up against barack obama. >> romney is the worst republican in the country. is that true? >> what speech did you listen to? >> right here. you said he's the -- >> stop lying. >> rick santorum sounds off, lashing out at the media. >> quit distorting our words. if i see it, it's [ bleep ]. come o man. what are you doing? the call for justice spreads nationwide. >> hoodies appear at churches across country. >> over the shooting of trayvon martin. >> we want justice.

the battle over health care reform hits the u.s. supreme court. >> vice president whispered, this is a big f-ing deal now it's become a big f-ing mess. >> president obama's stern warning to north korea telling the communist country it will face the wrath of the world if it doesn't curb nuclear plans. >> 924 days since tiger woods won an official pga tour event until sunday. >> it feels really good. >> all that -- >> james cameron has broken a deep sea record. >> the first human to dive to the ocean's deepest point. >> and all that matters. >> big blue to the big easy. the final four. >> on "cbs this morning." >> pope benedict is proving very popular in mexico. arrived in today's mass wearing a sombrero. >> has all the makings of a terrific visit and the weirdest >> has all the makings of a terrific visit and the weirdest spring break movie ever.

captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." we begin with politics as rick santorum gets angry and profane on the campaign trail, you'll see this on on "cbs this morning" after his easy win in saturday's louisiana primary. santorum was campaigning in wisconsin last night. >> and that is where the trouble began after santorum urged republicans there not to vote for mitt romney. >> pick any other republican in the country. he is the worst republican in the country to put up against barack obama. >> after the speech, "new york times" reporter jeff zeleny asked santorum about those comments. santorum became angry over the line of questioning. >> reporter: you said mitt romney is the worst republican in the country. is that true? >> what speech did you listen to? >> reporter: right here up. said he's the worst republican -- >> stop lying. i said he was the worst republican to run on the issue of obama care. that's what i was talking about.

>> reporter: you said he's the worst republican -- >> for every speech i give, i said he's uniquely disqualified to run against barack obama on the issue of health care. would you guys quit distorting what i'm saying in. >> reporter: do you think he's the worst republican -- >> to run against barack obama on the issue of health care because he fashioned the blueprint. i've been saying it in every speech. quit distorting our words. if i see it, it's bull [ bleep ]. come o man. what are you doing? >> reporter: who's distorting your words? >> you just did by asking me that question. >> reporter: you sound upset about -- >> i'm upset when the media distort what is i say. yeah i do get upset. you know exactly what i was saying and you're misrepresenting it. what are you guys in the business of doing, reporting the truth or are you here to try to spin and make news?

stop it. >> you don't care -- >> you don't care about the truth at all, do you? you really don't. asking that question shows me you don't care at all about the truth. >> joining us jeff zeleny of "the new york times" coming to us from milwaukee. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. did you lie, distort and misrepresent rick santorum? >> no. simply asking for a claire fick. you said in his speech to a room full of supporters that he believes mitt romney is the worst republican in the country. health care was not attached to that sentence in his sound bite there, so simply asking him for clarification. and he did, in fact, explain in full there that health care is what he was talking about. he's trying to make this case to republicans in wisconsin that health care is the thing they should focus on. obviously, with health care being in the news in the supreme court this week. >> he just sent out an e-mail to

his supporters this morning saying, quote, i'm ready to take on "the new york times," calling the paper a defender and enabler of mitt romney's and barack obama's liberal agendas. we heard him there say he felt you didn't care about the truth at all. how do you respond to that allegation and to the fact that he says he's now going to take on the paper you work for? >> he can certainly do whatever he likes. he's trying to make his case to republican voters here. it's a very common tactic for republican presidential candidates or even democratic presidential candidates to try to use the media as a foil here. we've seen newt gingrich do it throughout the campaign season. so, he clearly knew the cameras were rolling here. i was simply asking the question along the rope line as he was talking to supporters if he could expound a little bit. only a few days ago he had to walk back his remarks about saying there's no difference between mitt romney and barack obama in the white house. so, he's very sensitive to these questions now.

and i think we saw some animation here. that's one of the reasons his supporters like him. because he does become animated like this when he's campaigning. >> do you think he actually feels any other republican would be better than mitt romney? i mean, is there that kind of animosity between romney and santorum? >> it's hard to say. these are the tough pressure-filled days of the campaign. he knows that he has to do well here, particularly in wisconsin next week. he said that he's really trying to draw these contrasts as he's done in state after state. the pressure is on him here. he's trying to appoint people toward health care. if he wants to use the media as a foil in this way, that's absolutely up to him. but we're simply asking questions and we got his answer. >> thank you for joining us. >> this morning the supreme court begins a historic review of president obama's health care reform act. people on both sides started lining up outside the court on friday, hoping to get in to watch the three days of

arguments. chief legal correspondent jan crawford is there as well. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. there are enormous constitutional issues here today, arguing about the issues of federal power. can the government force us to buy go. how can it dictate our behavior? all of those arguments, that's tomorrow. today the justices start this massive case with the basic legal question about timing. is it too soon for justices to hear this or do they have to wait until 2014? that's when that massive law requiring us to buy insurance or pay a penalty actually goes into effect. so, the argument would be, let's just wait for a few years and then they'll decide this case. now, they'll go hear all the other arguments, the law is untuitional but they could decide this say saying, come back and see us in a few years. >> jan, thank you very much. democratic national chairman howard dean is with us. governor, good morning. >> good morning, charlie. >> governor, do you believe the supreme court can, in fact, say that the individual mandate part

is unconstitutional and the rest of it is skuconstitutional? and do you believe that's what they might do? >> i believe that's what they're most likely to do. i can't imagine how they're going to decide this isn't right yet. you'll have lawyers talking about -- >> that's today's argument. >> yeah. i don't believe they'll support that. they certainly aren't going to do it from the bench today. i do believe that it's likely the individual mandate will be declared unconstitutional. kennedy will probably side with the four right wing justices. but i'd be very surprised if they -- i think kennedy will switch sides and it will be 5-4 in favor of severing that finding from the rest of the bill. the question is going to be, is this individual mandate question, can that be considered separately from the rest of the bill? i think it will be. >> what about the medicaid provision here? >> that's a really big one because half of the people that are going to get new insurance is through a medicaid expansion. it's a great program. we expanded medicaid here 20

years ago. for 20 years every child in vermont has been eligible for health insurance. so, it's a terrific part of the expansion. i don't know what will happen there. i suspect that there's nothing unconstitutional about it. they've had this program for years. they've expanded it from time to time. i expect that part of the bill, which is really in some ways the most important in terms of the number of people it insures, will stay intact. >> my impress impression is you believe there may be questions of the constitutionality of the individual mandate and whether it's needed. is that right? >> well, yeah, charlie, i'm not a lawyer. i'm a physician. so i don't speak about the constitutionality of the individual mandate. it's definitely not necessary for the bill to succeed. it was mainly put in by academics who built the program for governor romney in massachusetts had they did it there and for insurance companies who will benefit from extra customers. but the truth is that the number of so-called free riders, people who will refuse to get insurance until they get sick, is going to be very, very small.

actually, i think it would have been easier for them not to include an individual mandate in the first place. mandates make people mad. everyone is a libertarian, whether republican, democratic or independent. they don't like to be told what to do by government. >> governor, do you believe the rest of the law as written can stand without that individual mandate, especially with so many americans -- the latest polling from cbs news find 49% of people don't approve of the health care law and there hasn't been overwhelming support since it passed. >> yeah, the bill -- you know, i was not a supporter of the bill. i thought it was a missed opportunity. there's a lot of really good things in it. a lot of the people are beginning to see good things already. for example, if you have a kid between 26 and 18 or 26 and 21, they couldn't -- that's the largest group without insurance, other than people over 55 who have been laid off. so, they now have insurance. they're on their parents' plan. you can't discriminate against people because of preexisting condition. that starts in 2014.

a lot of very good stuff that will reorder how we pay for health care. even though i didn't think the bill was that strong, there are good things in it. i think it will benefit the vast majority of americans. >> governor, politics as a former presidential candidate running for the democratic nomination, is this going to be politically decisive in this general election? >> no. what's going to be politically decisive is the character issues. people basically vote on whether they like the person and respect the person or not. i personally think that governor romney, who is going to win the nomination, so damaged by birth control controversy and immigration controversy that he's not going to be able to put another -- put together enough women voters and enough latino voters in order to beat the president. i think the president will not only win, i think he's going to take virginia, florida and ohio, and that's fatal for any republican effort to win the presidency. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> governor, good to have you with us. tomorrow we'll hear from republican opponent of the

president's health care plan. senator tom coburn will be with us. to the controversial shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin one month ago in sanford, florida. >> the neighborhood watch captain who killed him remains free. mark strassmann is in sanford this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. big day in sanford. not in the criminal investigation itself but in a massive show of support for trayvon martin's parents and their calls for justice. thousands of people will gather here later today to hear martin's parents confront city officials in sanford. ♪ we shall overcome >> reporter: last night dozens gathered outside the gated community where 17-year-old trayvon martin was shot and killed a month ago today. the shooter, george zimmerman, claims he fired in self-defense and remains free sunday church services from florida to chicago turned into calls for justice.

>> we need you, god. >> reporter: in eatonville, florida, reverend jackson implored the faithful to look at martin's killing as a wake-up call in a new battle for civil righ rights. martin's death and zimmerman's continued freedom has morphed from a criminal case to a natural cause. trayvon's dad, tracy martin, thanked the miami heat for their support. friday star lebron james tweeted this picture of the basketball team wearing hoodies. a show of solidarity for the teenager. in d.c., hundreds rallied in the rain saturday. a day after president obama issued this highly personal message to trayvon's parents. >> you know, if i had a son, he would look like trayvon. i think they are right to expect that all of us as americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

>> reporter: that's what the slain teen's parents will be demanding tonight of the sanford city commission. after an afternoon rally, thousands of supporters will hear them address the commission in person. the rally is going to feature a who's who in black america. yes si jackson, al sharpton, ray lewis and sean combs among those addressing the crowd here. >> thank you. with us now is joe oliver, a friend of george zimmerman who spoke with mim over the weekend. good to have you with us. as i understand, you decided to speak out on your own, not because george zimmerman asked you to. when you spoke with him saturday, what did he tell you specifically about his interaction with trayvon martin and what happened leading up to this young man's death? >> i can't get into the specifics of that because that's the evidence that's going to be presented before the grand jury. that's one of the reasons why this has exploded to the level it has. historically florida law enforcement has been very forthcoming with any evidence they have in a criminal case, particularly when they have an

arrest and particularly when they have evidence to make an arrest. casey anthony being the point in example. i don't understand why this is so different. i can only guess that the reason why is because it's the sanford police department, which has a history of racial tension. the police chief lee, from my understanding, that was part of the reason why he was hired to become the police chief in sanford, to try and heal the wound between the community and the police department. and until this incident, it's my understanding that that was happening. i mean, he -- that's another reason why we've seen this go from a police investigation and handed over to the local state's attorney who was passing it onto the next state's attorney. now we have a grand jury. until this evidence is out, i mean, we're going to continue to see this frustration. we're all frustrated. i had a chance to speak with reverend jackson this morning.

before i came in to explain to him that this incident on it's own is not a racial incident. this story is a racial story. he's right. i mean, it has sparked a dialogue that needs to be made. because i live with what they're talking about every day. but in this particular instance when it involves this -- this happening, it was not racially motivated. >> so, you say it was not racially motivated. i know you've said you can't say certain things because of the grand jury, but can you give us any indication -- we've heard the 911 tapes so many times where the dispatcher says, you don't need to follow him. did you get any indication why george zimmerman did follow trayvon martin? >> well, that's just it. we don't know how far or if he actually did follow trayvon -- >> but did you ask him in your conversation? >> we don't know -- >> did you have that conversation? >> we don't know -- when i had

that conversation, he was not following trayvon martin. when i had that conversation with him, he had not seen trayvon martin before he did -- that happened, okay? there's a gap from the time that george got out of the vehicle and that the gun went off. we don't know what happened. that's the evidence that's going to be presented to the grand jury. the hard part about this is that myself, his attorney, george, he wants to tell -- >> may i just ask one question -- >> but he's been instructed not to. >> one question. >> yes, sir, go ahead. >> have you talked to mr. zimmerman over the weekend? did you talk to him over the weekend? >> yes, i did. that's why i'm sitting here now. i talked to him over the weekend because the information i had received was through his mother-in-law. and i needed validated in order for me to put myself in the crossfire because i wopt be

sitting here if i didn't believe what happened. >> thank you for coming. in south korea this morning president obama may have been a little too honest with another world leader and those words with russia's outgoing president were caught on tape. >> cbs news senior white house correspondent bill plante is in seoul traveling with the president. >> reporter: good morning. the major irritant between the u.s. and russia is nato's intent to install a missile defense system in eastern europe which it says is aimed only at detecting missiles fired from iran. russia has continued to object saying they fear it could be used against them. vladimir putin made it a big issue in his campaign to be re-elected president of russia. today in a meeting with medvedev, president obama was overheard giving him a very candid political assessment of his ability to deal with missile defense and other issues, saying that it was important for the incoming president putin to give him some space.

after the remarks became public, the white house admitted the obvious saying that, true, nothing much would get done in an election year. but did say the president and medvedev had directed their technical expert so see what they could do to work things out. for "cbs this morning," i'm bill plante with the president in

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welcome back to "cbs this morning." in afghanistan a man wearing an afghan army uniform killed two british soldiers at a nato base this morning. general john allen went to capitol hill last week to testify about the relationship between the united states and the afghan government. in an interview i asked him about the recent killing of 17 afghan civilians and to assess the current threat from al qaeda. >> it remains a virulent organization because the planning doesn't require large number of people to execute. the execution can come from somewhere else.

we don't want the taliban to put down roots or the al qaeda to put down roots in afghanistan that can facilitate afghanistan becoming once again a launching pad for international terrorism. >> reporter: what do you worry about the most? >> i worry that the complications from these recent events can distract us from the larger strategic imperative of this campaign. we have seen that while the relationship may have been bruised in these events, the relationship has not been broken. >> we'll have more of that interview with general allen in our next hour. last night on "60 minutes" we saw the story of michael morton, a man who spent a quarter century in a texas prison for a murder he didn't commit. lara logan shows why morton was set free and the district attorney is now being investigated. >> reporter: in 1987 in a very public trial, michael morton was convicted of brutally murdering his wife. as he was led away to prison, he

insisted he was innocent. >> i didn't do this. >> sorry, what? >> i did not do this. >> reporter: hardly anyone believed him. until last year when he was exonerated by dna testing. >> let's go. >> reporter: by then, he had spent nearly 25 years of his life behind bars. what was it like for you to walk a free man? >> it was so alien at first. it wasn't quite real. we stepped out of the courtroom and it was a beautiful sunny day. the sun felt so good on my face, on my skin. i felt like i was just drinking in the sunshine. >> reporter: had you felt it in 25 years? >> i'd felt the sun, but i hadn't felt free sun. >> lara logan is with us along with attorney barry scheck, co-director of the innocence project to reopen the morton

case. thank you for joining us, lara. how could this happen? >> this happened for a very simple reason. the prosecutor in this case, the evidence shows, did not turn over exculpatory evidence that he was asked to in a court order. the court order said turn over chief invest igator's file. the judge reviewed it and said there's nothing exculpatory here and turned out there were plenty documents there. enough that i believe a jury would have acquitted michael morton. so, what's important to understand, charlie, is that in this case, because the defense lawyer smelled a rat, they asked for a specific order of the court. and now all these years later, after the dna exonerates him, identifies the real perpetrator, what we were able to do, which is unheard of, is go back into

court and make a showing there was probable cause, that this district attorney, who's now a sitting judge, committed criminal content by not turning over those documents. so, there's been a finding with probable cause he committed criminal intent that has been affirmed, that probable cause finding, by chief judge of the texas supreme court, a republican, and they have ordered a trial, a court of inquiry, against this judge. and that's in sharp contrast to what happened to senator ted stevens. in the ted stevens case where there was lots of suppression of excouple paer to evidence and a special prosecutor was appointed just the other week, the special prosecutor says, i think they did wrong but there was no specific order. therefore, i can't charge him criminally. >> i guess the question is, too, you know, this is a lot for someone to take in, it's a very

moving story in this particular case, but as we look at what else has happened, what's to prevent this from happening again? >> well, this -- those kinds of thing -- i don't want to suggest there's an epidemic of this, but it does happen. the issue is when you have prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence, as lara and the "60 minutes" team showed, when they hide it you have to show it can be enforced. prosecutors have what's called ab sew lute immunity. the only thing they can do is criminally prosecute them or bring them up on bar charges. >> lara, you had firsthand opportunity to talk to someone who's experienced this and had to go through this. give us a sense of him and how he feels today and how he, in a sense, takes his life from here? >> well, you know, charlie, it's not overstating it to call

michael morton an extraordinary man. when you spend just a little bit of time with him, you get a sense of what i'm talking about. i mean, here is someone who lost his whole life, who lost everything, and most importantly to him, he lost his son. i mean, he didn't get a chance to mourn his wife. the questioning turned instantly towards him very aggressive, the number one suspect from the very first moment. from his point of view, there was really no effort even on behalf of the sheriff's department or of the prosecutor to look for the person who really carried out this terrible, terrible murder. but the worst thing for michael morton is that he didn't just lose his liberty and his life and his reputation and his freedom. he lost his son, who grew up thinking his father was a terrible, evil monster, who murdered his mother. and that was the most painful thing for him. so, for michael now, what he's looking for, as he says eloquent to me, is not revenge. he doesn't want a pound of flesh. he wants accountability. he doesn't want this to happen

to anybody else. he says, i didn't do anything to make this happen. i just inhaled it. it made it happen. his point is it could happen to anybody. so what michael wants now is the justice he didn't get nearly 25 years ago. >> what surprises you about him? >> what surprises me is that he is so incredibly eloquent. you know, you've spoken to people who have served time in prison and you ask them what it's like and you hear the typical things you would expect. michael says things like, you know, it ate away at him like a rust. i mean, he finds words to describe things. he's incredibly eloquent. he did his masters in english literature behind bars. he admits, he's so honest, he admits it took him 15 years to overcome the rage he felt towards the prosecutor and towards the person who had actually murdered his wife. when i asked him why he didn't ask his son, who was 3 years old at the time of the murder, what happened, because eric was in the house and there was a good chance he had witnessed it, as a

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patience and hard work have paid off for tiger woods. injury and controversy put his golfing career in a tailspin. on sunday he won his first pga tour event in 2 1/2 years. >> special correspondent jeff glor is here this morning with that story. good morning. >> good morning. woods called the win pure joy. it was a long time in coming. 923 days, 26 tour events in all.

>> reporter: he didn't just win, he was looking like the woods of old. entering the final round with a lead, cruising to an easy victory. the five-stroke win was woods' seventh at arnold palmer's invitati invitational. his first pga tour title since the scandal that changed has life and the world of golf. >> i have a desire to win. that's why i enter these events, is to do that. ultimately this week was one of my weeks. >> reporter: it came as well at perhaps a surprising time. two weeks after another injury scare for woods. this time his achilles tendon and two days before the release of a new tell-all by woods' swin coach, hank haney. >> i have no doubt that it was meant to cause a great stir in tiger woods' camp. tiger woods winning, he knows will quiet all dissent and most

questions that will be asked with this book coming out. >> reporter: this runaway win sets woods up for the most famed golf event of the year, the masters in augusta, georgia. woods now figures to be the favorite. if he wins, it would put him back on track toward his lifelong goal, breaking jack nicklaus' record perform 18 major titles. woods has 14, a pot he's been stuck at since 2008. >> tiger woods is back. from a win standpoint, woods is back. he says he was never where any but he was gone and he's back now. >> reporter: woods lost six major sponsors and hundreds of millions in endorsement dollars and prize money in the wake of his scandal. it is big wins like this that could bring those big dollars back. >> jeff glor joins us now. tiger's back. you think he may very well be in place to win the masters. >> i think at this point he probably has to be considered the favorite to win. given how well he's performed

there -- even when he had injury concerns in the past, even coming off the scandal a couple years ago, he still finished well at the masters. could you imagine that, on sunday of the masters, woods and nick collison -- >> walking down. >> oh, yes. >> look at the smile on your face, just picturing it. >> listen, twook drit would be >> what about the book? . >> it comes out tomorrow, a week and a half before the masters. hank haney talks about a lot of personal things he and woods dealt with together. i think some people are surprised at the extent, the details he goes into. given the fact they had that private relationship. i mean, how much are you supposed to reveal when you work with someone that up close? >> that's one of the things we'll ask him because hank haney will be with us tomorrow here. >> i can't wait. >> i will say, as charlie and i were talking about here, he wrote this book with jamie diaz, who is fantastic. >> a great writer for "golf

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even the pope goes to mexico and gets a sombrero. i bet that's a picture you never thought you'd see. pope benedict was wearing this one in the pope mobile over the weekend. we'll be following the pope as he moves on to cuba. byron pitts will be there, too. it's 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm wondering, guys, are tequila shots far behind for the pope? >> you think. >> sombrero, it goes. >> mojitos in cuba? >> but not at mass. >> not at mass. >> charlie rose with erica hill. as the supreme court hears ar e argumen arguments.

>> kirsten gillibrand has helped 911 responders and don't ask don't tell. >> the 2016 presidential race and she joins us in the studio. hello, very good to see you, senator gillibrand. you did make headlines talking about afghanistan. you were talking about the withdrawal as quickly as possible. do you think that's likely? >> i think what we need is a shift? strategy. i think it's so important that we recognize where the threats that we face come from. and al qaeda in arabian peninsula is becoming the far more dangerous place for al qaeda. our troops have done an extraordinary job in afghanistan. we completed our mission, killed osama bin laden but i do believe al qaeda al qaeda ma tas that sized and reloetly located organization. the last attempts from come from somalia, yemen and pakistan. >> should we be doing both, though? >> i think we need to shift our strategy to more of a antiterrorism strategy. special operations mission.

we don't need 90,000 american troops on the ground, i think, to complete the mission of keeping america safe. >> 23 are coming home -- 23,000. those are the surge troops. that will leave about 68,000 american troops. you want to draw down those 68,000 how much faster than the president intends to draw them down? >> i think they need to come home sooner rather than later? >> the next six months? a year? >> commanders on the ground can make the judgments about how many troops on what day in what direction, but what i am trying to call for is a shift in strategy. as opposed to a current strategy of counterinsurgency broad based -- >> are you happy to leave it to the commanders on the ground? if they say we need 6,000 until 2014, you're happy with that decision? >> they need to make recommendations about how quickly you can draw down troops when you've changed your strategy. there's such a fundamental difference between a counterinsurgency strategy, which is broad based, supporting the local government, doing nation-building, to a counterterrorism strategy which

is targeted, special ops, like the mission to get osama bin laden. that requires far fewer troops. relies on drones, other technologies. so what the commanders do is say if that is our new strategy, this is the number of troops it will take over this amount of time. they would determine how many troops can come home as quickly as possible. what i'm calling for is that shift in strategy, because i think our risks are far broader based. experts do agree al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is the graver threat to america now. we started our strategy in afghanistan because they launched the 9/11 attacks from afghanistan, because it had a base of operations, a training ground. i don't think al qaeda needs those things any more to launch attacks. our current strategy of this broad based counterinsurgency, i think, should be shifted. >> we have a number of topics we want to get to. i want to check in on health care. we were speaking with governor dean about this earlier this morning. he said he doesn't think the individual mandate will stand and that the law will work just

fine without it. there are plenty other things in it which he called good to stand. do you think it will stand without the individual mandate? >> i do. i think you can find your way there. what i'm concerned is i wish american people could be watching this proceeding. >> you want cameras -- >> we should have cameras -- >> good for. >> you dick durbin and chuck grassley have been fighting for this for a long time. i was very disappointed just a few days ago when chief judge roberts decided he was not going to allow cameras in the courtroom. his decision fundamentally affects every single american. i think they should be part of the discussion, the questions being asked, hearing answers in real time, to be engaged. that's what we want. we want people to care about our democracy, to be voting, to being heard, to be leaning into these issues. i think transparency and accountability in this branch of government would also benefit. >> one thing that really strikes me about you is your passion about teen driving. i'm so interested in this topic.

i don't think people understand how many kids die every year in car crashes that really could be prevented. >> well -- >> what are you doing about that? >> the most sobering statistic is 11 kids die every single day. >> every day. >> every single day. imagine teenagers today, what are they doing? texting, they're -- >> speeding. >> -- online, on the phone. it's the distracted driving that is really the killer. so, what we're trying to do is give teens a longer time to learn how to drive, to avoid the riskier situations longer -- >> does that mean raising the driving age from- >> they can get their learner's permit at 16. some states are as young as 14. things like driving at night or driving with other kids in the car, we want to delay those experiences so that kids are ready, so they have better judgment, so they have a bit more experience, because those are the circumstances when we see these tragedies. kids coming home late from the prom, six kids in the car, distracted traveling. >> and you know they travel in

pacts. it's very rare teens are in the car alone. they travel in pacts, radio up loud, dancing, singing in the car and they think they're invincible. i think anything that could change that is a good thing. >> we just want to delay the time in which they take on the more risky circumstances. >> you get your license when? >> you get your license at 16 but it's a graduated license. at 17 you get certain privileges and 18 certain privileges but not until you're 18 do you get to do everything. drive at all times with whatever passengers you need. >> i need to ask you this before we let you go. you said you would love to see hillary clinton run for president in 2016. she's basically said a number of times, i'm not in. we can always hope. >> secretary clinton has been such a role model to me personally. i remember when i was a young lawyer sitting behind a desk watching her give that speech in china when she was first lady, when she said, women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's right. >> i remember that. >> when i said that -- i've been an asian studies major, i learned chinese, i've been to beijing.

that was such a transformational moment for the first lady to call to action in china where girl babies were still killed in the countryside. for her to say that for me was transformational. i -- if i was ever going to be on a stage like that, i would have to be involved in politics. that encourage med to get -- >> her response for you floating that out there was? >> i haven't read, actually, a response to that. you know, i want more women in government. i want -- you know, we still only have 17% in congress, 6 governors. skt clinton has been an extraordinary leader and role model for me personally and women and girls across this world. i couldn't think of a better person. that's been a mission for a long time. we need more women in leadership roles. i think we have better outcomes when women and men are at the table making tough decisions. >> i know you and gabby giffords are friends, can you give us a brief update? >> she's great. when i saw her when she came to give her resignation, she was so at peace with her decision.

she knew it was the right decision, knew it was best for her constituents. i can till, she is so strong, so courageous. but still full of love and caring for others. her decision was largely informed by wanting to do what's best for her constituents. >> senator gillibrand, nice to here's a question. is dick cheney too old for a new heart? we'll get answers from a leading heart doctor. you're watching "cbs this morning." we'll be right back.

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heart of the matter, first song for this segment. vice president dick cheney is recovering from heart transplant surgery he had over the weekend. the 71-year-old former vice president waited 20 months for that transplant while an implanted heart pump kept him alive. >> there are some critics asking if cheney should get a new heart at this age or if he got preern shall treatment. joining us is dr. moriguchi. >> good morning. maybe add 10, 15, 20 years, who knows. >> would he be considered a good candidate, doctor, considering he is over the age of 70 and

given his previous heart history? >> most of his problems were related to his heart, he had bypass surgery, angiooplasties. we're more concerned about heart, lung, kidney and they seem to be okay. i think he'll be a good candidate, even at 71. >> how are people selected for a heart transplant? who's the list and who controls the list and, you know, how long do most people have to wait and how many people, you know, don't have enough time? >> oh, yes. well, obviously the main problem is that we don't have enough hearts to go around. it's very important for each of the transplant centers to select their patients correctly. we all follow pretty much the same guidelines as far as they should not have any other problems other than their heart. you know, we do not want any other life-threatening illnesses that would not be corrected by heart transplant. basically, these patients are

celebritied and we get the best because of limited resource. we have to give it to the west candidates. >> i keep hearing the list is so heavily policed. there are some of grumblings and rumblings, did the vice president get prefer shall treatment. is that even possible to do? >> pretty much not. all transplant programs are under very strict guidelines to choose the correct patients. you cnnot buy your way on the list. basically even though, you know, he's such a high profile individual, if he waited 20 months and i would suspect he basically did not get any special treatment, which is the way we like it. >> these questions always come up with respect to transplant, whether steve jobs with his lung transplant or in this case. the idea of transplants as a cure to immediate mortality, is it getting better? >> the average transplant

recipient can anticipate either -- approximately 13-year life span. that's half of the people, you know, 13 years. basically we have people 25, 26 years out and they're doing just great. it really is what kind of match they get, how well they take care of nir heatheir heart, tak medicines. >> what could be done to make more hearts available? >> that's the key point in transplantation. restricting factor.he over the past 10, 15 years we've been limited to about 21 to 2300 hearts in the united states. there's literally 50 to 100,000 people who could benefit from this form of therapy. spreading the word should help. we haven't seen a huge increase. that's why we're going to these devices now, these pumps like mr. cheney had, that can seven as an alternative to transplantation. they're very good now. they can last 10, 15 years

hopefully and provide an equally good quality of life. >> all right, dr. moriguchi. good news for the cheney family. thank you for joining us. i understand you were his go-to doctor on occasion. >> right. if he came to los angeles, i would be there. >> you were the guy. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. "the hunger games," chances are, given this number, are you probably or someone you know went to see the movie over the weekend because it shattered all box office records. we'll take you inside the hysteria. i think that's a good word to say. we'll tell you what's next for the series. you're watching "cbs this morning." >> announcer: this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by levemir flex pen. ask your doctor about the benefits of levemir flex pen today. for my type 2 diabetes. me... thinking my only option was the vial and syringe dad used. and me... discovering once-daily levemir flexpen. flexpen is prefilled. doesn't need refrigeration for up to 42 days.

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♪ welcome back to "cbs this morning." that's a hollywood box office this weekend, the fans really feasted on "the hunger games". >> as lee cowen reports, movie goers forked over $155 million. that is the best opening ever for a nonsequel. >> ten, nine -- >> reporter: if you didn't see the movie, probably we saw the line for the movie. it was pretty hard to miss. fans hungry for "the hunger games." they can't seem to get enough. >> i was shaking. i was shaking with excitement. >> reporter: based on the best selling books by suzanne collins "the hunger games" not a teen

throwaway. most critics say the movie lifz up to the hype and the star, jennifer lawrence, delivers. >> make sure they remember you. >> a great story good overcoming evil and this girl that stands up for what's wrong when something's wrong. >> i volunteer! i volunteer! >> reporter: not only getting good reviews, it's raking in the dough. more than $155 million on its opening weekend. making it the third best movie debut ever. it even knocked twilight off its box office perch. >> people aren't just seeing it once, they're going back because it's a really good movie. and people are inspired to go back, spend that hard earned cash one more time. >> reporter: the plot is touchy stuff. teens killing teens for the amusement of adults in a post-apocalyptic world. it sparked the imagination, especially girls, the heroine

catness everdeen. it's well on the way to becoming a cinematic -- >> "hunger games" might take over the century. >> reporter: if you're not a fan yet, don't worry. >> welcome. >> reporter: target date for the sequel is sometime in 2013. for "cbs this morning," i'm lee cowen in hollywood. >> well, listen, you know, good does overcome evil but, boy, you have to go through a lot 6 killing to get there. that's why it's rated pg-13. younger kids are seeing it. i'm on the fence about that. but you have the documentary "bullying" is rated "r" because of f-words. i would much rather see that because of the good it can do for you. >> there are a few f-words and kids killing kids. >> slaughtering. good movie, very well done but have you to have a strong stomach. >> gary ross will be with us

tomorrow to talk about it. from the big screen to broadway now, you remember him, eric mccormack, from his emmy award winning role as he was so loveable will truman on "will & grace". >> in the broadway revival of "the best man." >> you have this joker standing by for except to smear me as a homosexual, which i'm not. >> i never said you are. >> what are you doing if you don't think i am? >> at this point in your offensive, i told you why i came here and what you need to do. >> admit you don't believe it. >> just shut up! he said it was right when he said you're not very sensitive to people. you're so busy trying to win, you never even stop to think about what it is you are winning. >> that's right, eric mccormack, you are not sensitive to people. and eric and i -- we both saw it. >> we did. we both very much enjoyed it. >> i'm glad. i enjoy not being a sweetheart.

it's not a sweetheart. >> it's fun for you. >> it's totally fun. to be on stage with james earl jones and realize i'm the bad guy. he's darth vader but i'm worse. >> i was thinking about that. the thing about the play, it's a political play, but it is so timely, even though it's from long ago. i was so amazed at how timely the lines were. >> well, i mean, i think a part of that is how brilliant a writer gorbadel and the other is the convince dense of everything the gop does every day. something they say, the etch-a-sketch moment last week. i mean, there's a joke in this play of contraception and catholic church that two months ago would have been an ancient reference and now completely timely, which is bizarre. >> i had a really nice moment when i was leaving. you bond with people in the theater when you're sitting there and you start talking about the play. i said, that was good. this guy who i did not know said, no, gayle, that was really, really good. which i thought was such a nice way for people to feel leaving the theater. >> absolutely. the things sell themselves in

different way. we're trying to sell ourselves based on this unbelievable cast of james earl jones and candice bergen -- >> eric mccormack. >> but -- because they don't know the play that well, even if they know gor. it's a re funny play. funnier than we even realize. that's what's been so amazing. >> it's timely given it first premiered 50 years ago. it's amazing, too, the nastiness. we talk about this a lot because we talk about politics a lot on this program, how nasty it is and some people said this is the worst campaign ever. yet, this was about the 1960 national con vepgs. i mean, know -- >> yes. >> and it was just as bad or even worse it feels like. >> it feels like nothing has changed. that's just enlightening and depressing. it truly is. >> you're canadian -- >> yeah. >> so how does this compare to the way politics go down in canada to what you see in the states? >> oh, we basically -- in

canada, you be prime minister. no, no, you be prime minister no, i couldn't truly. you. it's your turn to be prime minister. >> they're so nice. >> it's not quite as cut throat, i don't think. >> that is so true about your people, eric. i know a couple of canadians. drake is canadian. >> yes. >> you're canadian. that's the thing. i went to the toronto film festival. i was so struck by how polite and nice everyone was. i was talking to a photographer and he goes, but we're canadians. it's so true. we laugh and joke about it. could we go back to "will & grace" for a second. do you feel proud of work, we made a difference, or that's this and this is now. i loved you and the show so much. >> in fact, i think we all left the show incredibly crowd but desperate to move on and prove to the world we were other things. then a little time goes by and now i'm -- i can wear it a bit more again. my son is 9.

he's never seen the show up until now. you know, why would a 4-year-old watch a gay sitcom? but yesterday my wife texted me and said, we're sitting in bed, eating pancakes back in l.a. and we're watching the episode where sydney pollack is your dad. it was the best image i could think of that now this kid can understand where all that surrounds him has come from, you know, what pays the bills and what his dad's passion is. why dad has to be out of town sometimes. it can make -- it makes more sense. he loves it. he knows he's getting away with murder, too. >> in bed, eating pancakes, watching "will & grace" i mean, life is good. >> your son finnegan? >> finnegan. >> i love that name. >> so do i. >> where does it come from? >> goes back to canada. my wife and i were both huge fans, as most kids were 25, 30 years ago, of a show called

"mister dress up" he used to pull costumes out of a trunk and casey and finnegan, finnegan was a dog that did this and never made any sound. i'm sure when he realizes what he's been named after he'll rebel. >> he'll say, you guys are awesome. >> the puppet, thanks. >> thank you, eric mccormack. >> thanks for having me. >> any time. >> i'll be back tomorrow. >> great. a guy behind the theater said, it's really, really good. thank you. the top u.s. commander in afghanistan has a lot on his plate these days. general john allen talks with us about the biggest issue, the future of america's role in afghanistan. charlie's interview with him cont

earlier we heard from general john allen, xhajder of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan. he testified before congress last week for the first time in his current role on friday. we sat down for a wide-ranging interview on the future of

american involvement in afghanistan. tell me where you see the effort in afghanistan today? >> i think we've come a long way in the last several years, and in particular over the last couple of years. we're seeking to move the afghan national security forces ultimately into the lead as our partners in this counterinsurgency. and piece by piece the terrain of afghanistan, the people of afghanistan, secured by the security forces of afghanistan, will continue the progress of moving towards full transition. >> many people look at the relationship on that question and say, there's corruption in that government. and whether that government can provide the kind of leadership that would enable them to meet their commitments to their own security. >> uh-huh. there is corruption in that government.

and president karzai acknowledges it himself. that's a very good going in position, frankly. he talks about partnering with us. he talks about work within the afghan government to eliminate culture of impunity. >> and you achieve the mission without being able to deal with that corruption in a significant way. >> well, we are dealing with the corruption. we can accomplish the mission dealing with it. but we won't solve it all at the same time. it's going to take time. >> and the pace of the afghan forces being able to take responsibility, you believe by 2014, when american forces are essentially withdrawn, the afghan force will be able to stabilize afghanistan and prevent a taliban takeover. >> by the end of 2014, it is the end of the isaf mission. i believe the ansf will have completed security transition by the end of 2014, they won't be alone. we'll still be there in some number, to be determined, which

will continue the process of the professionalization of the afghan national security forces and the improvement of their capabilities. >> what happens if we're not there? and is it possible this is a place that americans shouldn't be dying for somebody else? >> this mission is essential in ways that, perhaps in other conflicts, have not necessarily been apparent. there is a direct line relationship between what happened in afghanistan in the work -- in the work up to 11 september 2001 and what we're doing in afghanistan today. >> al qaeda does not have a strong presence in afghanistan today. and many of the leaders of al qaeda have been killed, including osama bin laden. >> it remains a virulent organization, even in small numbers, because the planning doesn't necessarily facilitate -- doesn't necessarily require large numbers of people to execute. the execution can come from somewhere else. we don't want the taliban to put

down roots or the al qaeda to put down roots in afghanistan that can facilitate afghanistan becoming once again a launching pad for international terrorism. >> here is a quote from "the new york times" by two respected reporters. quote, obama administration is discussing whether to reduce american forces in afghanistan by at least an additional 20,000 troops by 2013, reflecting a growing belief within the white house that the mission there has now reached the point ofdy minimum ibing returns. >> i've had no indications from the administration that they desire a particular number in the aftermath of my mission, which will be to return the 23,000 troops, the remaining surge troops, by the end of september of 2012. >> what are you worried about the most? >> i worry that complications from these recent events can

distract us from the larger strategic imperative of this campaign. we have seen that while the relationship may have been bruised in these events, the relationship has not been broken. >> characterize what bruised mean. >> there has been no call for the severing of the relationship between the united states and afghanistan. we have to demonstrate that we're a reliable partner. we can't permit as tragic as that is, that event to define the relationship between the united states and afghanistan. >> do you believe that sergeant bales is a casualty of war? >> i'd prefer not to comment on that. obviously, we have an investigation that still needs to be completed. and ultimately through that investigation the process of adjudica adjudicating through the military justice system. >> you are optimistic, it's fair to say, that this mission can be accomplished. >> when i look into the eyes of our troops, and i see their dedication to this mission, i am

optimistic that we will accomplish this mission. this campaign is on track. the ansf is moving into the lead. they want to be responsible ultimately for ending this insurgency. they want to be responsible for protecting the people from the taliban. >> what's interesting about general allen in this conversation to me and in what he says is, number one, he really thinks this mission can be accomplished. he thinks that the afghan security forces will be able to stabilize afghanistan, number one. he remind us there will be more troops still there. some troops still there to help them in some kind of a supporting role. more important thing he says is that he will make a recommendation to the president in september, after looking at what's happening on the ground, as to whether there will be a further draw down beyond the 68,000 who will be in place after they take the 20,000 from the surge. >> it's amazing. so interesting to hear what he has to say. as you mention, he's so positive and interesting to hear what he has to say, too, because there's

so much concern about whether or not the afghans are, in fact, ready. >> that's the question, as to whether the afghans will be. that's where the debate is. after this long, after ten years of war, will the afghans be able to do it on their own? and if they are not, is there anything we can do between now and then? >> and a lot of that coming up because we're entering what's known as the fighting season in afghanistan. charlie, great stuff. thank you. just how much clout do you have online? marketing expert mark is here to show us the extent of your influence, how you can use it to your advantage. how you can make it better.

social media has the power to turn everyone into a master marketer. that's the word from mark

schaefer named one of forbes magazine tom social media influences. >> he writes about social scoring in his new book "return on influence" but the second line says, the revolutionary power of clout, social scoring can influence marketing. i got your book. i thought, another drab business book. where's my fork to gouge my eyes out. i started reading the book and i took notes and i thought, i need to do something about clout. i was bhoen away by your book. congratulations. >> thank you, thank you. >> the bottom line is this, you don't are to be george clooney, lady gaga, charlie rose, erica hill to have clout. we can all have clout. >> we are really in the middle of a business and communication revolution. now that we have high-speed internet and free easy to use publishing tools like blogging and facebook and twitter, everybody can publish. everybody can have influence. and companies now like klout are

trying to measure that. they're trying to quantify how well people can create buzz. as you can imagine, a lot of big companies and brands are -- want to be all over this. they want to find powerful word of mouth influencers and reward them and give them stuff. i mean, lots of great stuff like trips and gaming systems and -- >> with the hope they will tweet about it or talk about it that leetsdz -- >> that's right. >> we talked about these celebrities who get paid to tweet certain things. it's an endorsement on twiter. this is different. this is the average joe having all of this power. how do you use that for good? >> think of the difference here. think of if you're a company or a brand, if you have an advertisement and say, oh, my sandwich is so good. then you have someone in the store actually eating the sandwich, taking pictures of the sandwich saying, this is delicious. everyone really out to try that. so, it's a -- now you don't are

to be a celebrity, a superstar, a politician, a supermodel to have influence -- >> why does it matter? why does it matter to you? what's the benefit to the person besides free stuff? >> you're being rewarded for your influence. who's to say the word's expert in porsche cars isn't an 18-year-old person in owensboro, kentucky? now that can be known. you can have visibility and be rewarded. it's an exciting time. >> that was exactly my take on it. because you tell a story about, if a friend tells you something, you're more likely to pay attention to what your friend has to say about it as opposed to being famous. but normal, vd people can have a lot of influence. >> in the book i call this the era of the citizen influencer, where really -- i mean, this word of mouth influence is so powerful. something businesses and marketers have tried to find for

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